Lmao this was an issue 10 years ago when I first quit, even down to the devs complaining about the “arms race” between them and the add-on creators. Please tell me I’m not the only one who remembers this shit. Also f the pet, and f the brutosaur. We already pay a monthly sub. The cash shop is bad enough as a cosmetic store. We CANNOT let them normalize selling premium features on the cash shop. Seriously guys, wtf. Y’all need to be way more alarmed by this crap. We have player housing coming up. This shit is gonna get even more ridiculous if you don’t take a stand right now.
Nobody cares about the store mounts dude, if certain players have the cash to burn, they will buy it. Can't do anything about that, certain players will buy the mount, others will say f that, just how it goes
The problem is that u dont just download the addons , u need to set them up. Imagine being a new player and set up gladius , nameplates , weak auras, big debuffs and all that.
None of that is hard. The games not for them if they cant figure out how to set up a weak aura. And weak auras arent even really needed if blizz wasnt lazy and built more visual trackers for all the passives/procs. Big debuffs requires no set up, you can customize it, same with nameplates and no one really uses gladius except for old heads that like customizing cause you can use gladiusex which is automatically set up and shows all enemy cd's under their frame. The removal of addons without simplifying and changing "literally entire game design" will only increase the skill gap between a 20 year vet like myself and someone within their first 1-3 years of joining. The truth is, the players that are bad, are bad for a reason... I'd say around 60% of the playerbase I encounter I can just tell they arent even looking at their screens... but instead looking at their spell bar or friendly/enemy name plates. Alot of players cant pilot their character naturally, whether its improper keybinds or what... removing addons isnt gonna fix anything... The only thing Useful to halfway track is cc dr's.. other wise a vet just knows and automatically tracks cooldowns across the match. A huge issue is targeting in pvp, thats what separates the bad players from the duelist and up.. Improper macros not being able to be set 123 and played accordingly will keep those players bad... Doesnt matter if a newb hunter lands a full frost trap on enemy healer, if he then fumbles and pussyfoots his damage globals away cause he doesnt bind/macro/target right and gets nothing done off those crucial 5 seconds.
@@austin4990 thats cool not reading all that because his point stands you're literally responding as someone who has and apparently is capable of doing it he said imagine being a new player whose never done it - to someone who the entire game is already new and overwhelming, addons are one of a myriad of factors adding onto that complexity JUST TO BE ON THE SAME BASELINE as other people your mindset is why wow struggles to get new players
We all did it when new and trying to improve? Don't think many people were veteran/2k+ players when they found add ons. U cud make the same argument about macros but they aren't being talked about. Lowering or removing add ons is still good. Esp weakauras
@@darkyogaming5892 I agree with the weakauras removal. That addon only exists because the game devs are trash, We had just as much to track back in MoP only it was already built in as visible "glow" procs around our character like weakauras can be made to do.. Now the removal of every other addon this guy mentioned will only remove their chances of ever being good, without them, they'll never catch up to the pvp vets straight outta sl/sl spec 07. They'll do what they wanna do, they listened to the bad players back in MoP about the game being "too much" then they dumbed everything down, lost millions of more subs due to the trash design homogenizing classes for the new M+ feature that required every class to have micro CC and the same everything practically, which bleed into the absolute worst era of PvP to ever exist in wow... the CC healer meta of 30 minute matches up until shadowlands came out and things slightly sped up again.. Its scary to think they didnt learn their lesson the first time.. but who knows? As a longtime vet and 2400+ player I think they could fix these bad kids issues by not dumbing stuff down, just give them a better version of action targeting.. one that has smart lock-on targeting when something is marked by you.. Which their is addons for tab targeting in arena to make it not scroll to pets and stuff.. but yeah targeting is the bad bads main issues... they dont need to track shit they just need to bind and target and pilot correctly.
I used to raid in the past, even played in top guilds, nowadays i can't even find a guild only those guilds that randomly invites people who are guildless, it used to be so easy to find guilds in the past
Noooo please don't remove my addons! :'( I don't have the time to play and since I'm pretty casual and play solo, these help me keep up with knowing what I should do and not get hate from other players. I just got back after a hiatus and there are so many raids and dungeons I've never run, and I never know what is going on - and it's not like anyone is going to tell me what is happening. I've been KICKED for asking how a mechanic works. I'm autistic so I need clearer instructions than what wow provides 'base' game. The dungeons and raids don't explain anything. I can't see or process the "hints" of animations or whatever that are stacked on top of each other or if they happen so fast, I can't have time to react. Counters help me prepare. Like, they are literally accessibility for me to be able to play as disabled. I need that 'big button pop up' telling me what is happening and what to do.. I need the vocal call outs to tell me if I need to move. Otherwise I won't notice, I will get hit or die - and just make things harder for healers by being an unneeded problem. If wow is worried about non-addon users then make fights catered to them first but if people want or need addons after the fact, then they should let them. If I wanted it to be hard and frustrating I'd play without help, but I'd rather not get frustrated about being killed over and over in a dungeon or kicked for asking questions. And when there are like 20-40 people + bosses and mobs stacked on each other, there is no effing way I'm going to see mine or any other persons "special animations"
Hi Supa, did you buy a Brutosaurus with AH and a mail? I'm really torn on whether or not I should buy it since it is really convenient having one and it seems to be a limited time offer...
It is really for convenience and nothing else. Is it really useful? absolutely. Is it required? No. Do you use the AH a lot? Then your time using it will make the purchase worth it. Other than that, it provides no significant character power boost.
Actual 04 vet here. Addons always existed and bg cap timers were required for the level 60 AV grind. Not only that I had to learn how to install and use ventrilo as a 9 year old back in 2004, was pretty difficult. All G though, they can do what they want.. remove addons, dont remove addons. Wont make a difference. Addon's were always used just more annoying to install due to curseclient not being its fully formed self yet.. The removal of addons would actually make me happy the more I think about it.. It would keep the already inflated bad players down in my solo ques and increase the skill gap 10 fold. Plus the bad players carried by addons around 2400 would no longer be able to perfectly track my dragons deep breath cd! Which would allow more abuse from cheese classes and builds that I play! sounds pretty great tbh.
@@Icicleyo link a clip of a single glad using a dogshit addon like that, none do. Only an utter noob would download such a thing. Stop lying because your bad and copin, you're hard stuck 1600 dude we get it.
honestly this will shoot my rating to another 2400+ with add on i dont use alot of weakaura and stuff that shows peoples cd and DR during arenas !! good news
i said it last time i played the game i will never return to the game as long there is heavy need for addons to raid or do any activity .. the game became watching timers and bars instead of watching the boss .
Dude, give this raid last bosses - put every possible mechanic there with everything one-shotting you on every difficulty - of course ppl will use addons to make fight more clear and coordinated
Didn't Asmongold bring up the exact problems they are describing, years ago? I'm sure other people were saying the same thing but I first heard it from Asmon a while ago. Yet again, Blizzard taking YEARS to fix problems.Same thing happened with solo queue arena, they added it years later when people stopped caring.
I don't get why Bliz wants the game to be so difficult. I am playing a game to relax not get my anxiety to level 9000 while trying to heal a raid or dungeon. I can understand people wanting to have challenging content...so make mythic+ more difficult, make RTWF raiders play on tourney realms where they put in all kinds of crazy game mechanics. Make mythic raiding ridiculous but even some of the entry level stuff in the game is ridiculous at the moment.
Imagine someone never played wow before watching a wow video that the screen is filled with weak aura and plater stuffs. honestly wow in 2024 is definetely addon bloat. people should learn how to see important buffs on top of screen without weak aura. blizzard should ban all of those addons in my opinion
Game is too complex to remove them esp for pvp. Disable all of urs and try, bet you would be like "wtf is going on" and "guess I got oneshotted hehe gg" without them.
Now without addons it is impossible to monitor your character's procs. If they do this, they will limit addons, they will not fix the WOW interface properly, the game will become garbage. And even now without addons it is impossible to disable buffs and debuffs on the target so that it only shows what can be dispelled. Instead we will get 3-4 rows of buffs and debuffs on the target :))
This is terrible. If they could improve endgame tools, they would have done it already. They have proven they can't do it. You can't even do your rotation properly without addons for many classes because they rely on picking out procs in a 15-20 item buff frame. They should improve the game, not break addons. This is a stupid and lazy solution. Nothing new for Ion.
Then they need to fix the game so that we can actually track things. I also really like WA's, the ones you use to see your rotational abilities.
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@@Kmaitland89if you can’t track basic cooldowns you need glasses. The game is not hard and youre not playing at a high enough level to warrant multiple add ons
addons have become to much and i feel like being the best player now means being skilled at setting up ui and reacting to weak auras that are littrally telling you what to hit and when and i think that its ruining a lot of what made the game fun>>>> learning about your gameplay and charecter but also your enemys pvp or pve ... mistakes used to mean something now you have it done for you and screamed at if u missclick etc etc..
If they did this, especially for PvP.. I'd be so happy lol
If they make the UI useful
Legit, the only thing they really need is a gladius type interface and that’s it
@@magdabrownis265 with shuffle the way it is, it's kinda important to know your teammates cooldowns from addons lol
@@Neji513 if no one knows, then it's fair.
@@wiballaonasiaa1 yea but might discourage healers from queueing because healing will be "tougher"
I welcome this kind of change in PVP
Lmao this was an issue 10 years ago when I first quit, even down to the devs complaining about the “arms race” between them and the add-on creators. Please tell me I’m not the only one who remembers this shit.
Also f the pet, and f the brutosaur. We already pay a monthly sub. The cash shop is bad enough as a cosmetic store. We CANNOT let them normalize selling premium features on the cash shop. Seriously guys, wtf. Y’all need to be way more alarmed by this crap. We have player housing coming up. This shit is gonna get even more ridiculous if you don’t take a stand right now.
Nobody cares about the store mounts dude, if certain players have the cash to burn, they will buy it. Can't do anything about that, certain players will buy the mount, others will say f that, just how it goes
That ship sailed a long time ago. Sales from the brutosaur already show it's normalized.
No
The problem is that u dont just download the addons , u need to set them up. Imagine being a new player and set up gladius , nameplates , weak auras, big debuffs and all that.
None of that is hard. The games not for them if they cant figure out how to set up a weak aura. And weak auras arent even really needed if blizz wasnt lazy and built more visual trackers for all the passives/procs. Big debuffs requires no set up, you can customize it, same with nameplates and no one really uses gladius except for old heads that like customizing cause you can use gladiusex which is automatically set up and shows all enemy cd's under their frame. The removal of addons without simplifying and changing "literally entire game design" will only increase the skill gap between a 20 year vet like myself and someone within their first 1-3 years of joining. The truth is, the players that are bad, are bad for a reason... I'd say around 60% of the playerbase I encounter I can just tell they arent even looking at their screens... but instead looking at their spell bar or friendly/enemy name plates. Alot of players cant pilot their character naturally, whether its improper keybinds or what... removing addons isnt gonna fix anything... The only thing Useful to halfway track is cc dr's.. other wise a vet just knows and automatically tracks cooldowns across the match. A huge issue is targeting in pvp, thats what separates the bad players from the duelist and up.. Improper macros not being able to be set 123 and played accordingly will keep those players bad... Doesnt matter if a newb hunter lands a full frost trap on enemy healer, if he then fumbles and pussyfoots his damage globals away cause he doesnt bind/macro/target right and gets nothing done off those crucial 5 seconds.
@@austin4990 thats cool not reading all that because his point stands
you're literally responding as someone who has and apparently is capable of doing it
he said imagine being a new player whose never done it - to someone who the entire game is already new and overwhelming, addons are one of a myriad of factors adding onto that complexity JUST TO BE ON THE SAME BASELINE as other people
your mindset is why wow struggles to get new players
We all did it when new and trying to improve? Don't think many people were veteran/2k+ players when they found add ons. U cud make the same argument about macros but they aren't being talked about.
Lowering or removing add ons is still good. Esp weakauras
@@dodder044 bro ive started wow at tww and doingly mainly pvp addons are super easy to setup lmao ive already reach 2.1k cr
@@darkyogaming5892 I agree with the weakauras removal. That addon only exists because the game devs are trash, We had just as much to track back in MoP only it was already built in as visible "glow" procs around our character like weakauras can be made to do.. Now the removal of every other addon this guy mentioned will only remove their chances of ever being good, without them, they'll never catch up to the pvp vets straight outta sl/sl spec 07. They'll do what they wanna do, they listened to the bad players back in MoP about the game being "too much" then they dumbed everything down, lost millions of more subs due to the trash design homogenizing classes for the new M+ feature that required every class to have micro CC and the same everything practically, which bleed into the absolute worst era of PvP to ever exist in wow... the CC healer meta of 30 minute matches up until shadowlands came out and things slightly sped up again.. Its scary to think they didnt learn their lesson the first time.. but who knows? As a longtime vet and 2400+ player I think they could fix these bad kids issues by not dumbing stuff down, just give them a better version of action targeting.. one that has smart lock-on targeting when something is marked by you.. Which their is addons for tab targeting in arena to make it not scroll to pets and stuff.. but yeah targeting is the bad bads main issues... they dont need to track shit they just need to bind and target and pilot correctly.
Very cool. Let's do it for arena too.
I used to raid in the past, even played in top guilds, nowadays i can't even find a guild only those guilds that randomly invites people who are guildless, it used to be so easy to find guilds in the past
That would legit make me resubb. A fair ground, a game balanced for the game not the insane addons.
Noooo please don't remove my addons! :'(
I don't have the time to play and since I'm pretty casual and play solo, these help me keep up with knowing what I should do and not get hate from other players.
I just got back after a hiatus and there are so many raids and dungeons I've never run, and I never know what is going on - and it's not like anyone is going to tell me what is happening.
I've been KICKED for asking how a mechanic works. I'm autistic so I need clearer instructions than what wow provides 'base' game. The dungeons and raids don't explain anything.
I can't see or process the "hints" of animations or whatever that are stacked on top of each other or if they happen so fast, I can't have time to react. Counters help me prepare.
Like, they are literally accessibility for me to be able to play as disabled.
I need that 'big button pop up' telling me what is happening and what to do.. I need the vocal call outs to tell me if I need to move.
Otherwise I won't notice, I will get hit or die - and just make things harder for healers by being an unneeded problem.
If wow is worried about non-addon users then make fights catered to them first but if people want or need addons after the fact, then they should let them.
If I wanted it to be hard and frustrating I'd play without help, but I'd rather not get frustrated about being killed over and over in a dungeon or kicked for asking questions.
And when there are like 20-40 people + bosses and mobs stacked on each other, there is no effing way I'm going to see mine or any other persons "special animations"
Get rid of all addons!
The Ascension GG advert 😂
Add -ons destroyed WOW for me, this is a positive move in my opinion.
Hi Supa, did you buy a Brutosaurus with AH and a mail? I'm really torn on whether or not I should buy it since it is really convenient having one and it seems to be a limited time offer...
It is really for convenience and nothing else. Is it really useful? absolutely. Is it required? No. Do you use the AH a lot? Then your time using it will make the purchase worth it. Other than that, it provides no significant character power boost.
I bought it because I’m not poor. You should too
When we first played this game there was never any addons. I wonder how we survived
Actual 04 vet here. Addons always existed and bg cap timers were required for the level 60 AV grind. Not only that I had to learn how to install and use ventrilo as a 9 year old back in 2004, was pretty difficult. All G though, they can do what they want.. remove addons, dont remove addons. Wont make a difference. Addon's were always used just more annoying to install due to curseclient not being its fully formed self yet.. The removal of addons would actually make me happy the more I think about it.. It would keep the already inflated bad players down in my solo ques and increase the skill gap 10 fold. Plus the bad players carried by addons around 2400 would no longer be able to perfectly track my dragons deep breath cd! Which would allow more abuse from cheese classes and builds that I play! sounds pretty great tbh.
lol yea most glads couldn’t even get glad without their addons telling them what button to press.
no addon does that in pvp buddy
Weakauras exist. And they pretty much do. Have you not heard the airhorns go off every 5 seconds on stream?
@@Icicleyo link a clip of a single glad using a dogshit addon like that, none do. Only an utter noob would download such a thing. Stop lying because your bad and copin, you're hard stuck 1600 dude we get it.
They should remove any addons that are related to combat, instance encounters, buff tracking etc. These things have become a joke now.
i would honestly love this ngl
All for it, "needing" to use addons was always silly. It feels a lot like Runelite with osrs, pretty much unplayable without it now.
It would be fun if they made servers with add-ons off. I would deffo roll a new toon there and all my friends too
honestly this will shoot my rating to another 2400+ with add on i dont use alot of weakaura and stuff that shows peoples cd and DR during arenas !! good news
i said it last time i played the game i will never return to the game as long there is heavy need for addons to raid or do any activity .. the game became watching timers and bars instead of watching the boss .
Dude, give this raid last bosses - put every possible mechanic there with everything one-shotting you on every difficulty - of course ppl will use addons to make fight more clear and coordinated
I love the idea of less addons.
Btw that pet looks like a red panda
I love the idea of less addons.
And btw it looks like a red panda bear.
Didn't Asmongold bring up the exact problems they are describing, years ago? I'm sure other people were saying the same thing but I first heard it from Asmon a while ago.
Yet again, Blizzard taking YEARS to fix problems.Same thing happened with solo queue arena, they added it years later when people stopped caring.
Good get rid of all add ons! all of it make everyone even playing field no add one I love it! This makes my heart so happy 😊
I don't get why Bliz wants the game to be so difficult. I am playing a game to relax not get my anxiety to level 9000 while trying to heal a raid or dungeon. I can understand people wanting to have challenging content...so make mythic+ more difficult, make RTWF raiders play on tourney realms where they put in all kinds of crazy game mechanics. Make mythic raiding ridiculous but even some of the entry level stuff in the game is ridiculous at the moment.
Addons dont bother me at all. People find anything to cry about
They should just remove almost all of them. This goes for pvp as well DR trackers cd trackers and all of that stuff shouldn't be a thing.
agreed but then they should work on all those things their interface lack 😌
Imagine someone never played wow before watching a wow video that the screen is filled with weak aura and plater stuffs.
honestly wow in 2024 is definetely addon bloat. people should learn how to see important buffs on top of screen without weak aura. blizzard should ban all of those addons in my opinion
Literally everyone wants them to fully remove addons in all forms of content
"Literally" means zero people want to keep addons. I wouldn't pvp if weak auras disappeared, so not "literally everyone" wants them removed.
@@michaels5217 being in the 0.1% of naysayers means u don’t exist, hello ghost
Game is too complex to remove them esp for pvp. Disable all of urs and try, bet you would be like "wtf is going on" and "guess I got oneshotted hehe gg" without them.
I've already disabled all addons for TWW. Gained 100 fps. Pretty sure Blizzard started breaking addons all the way in DF.
Now without addons it is impossible to monitor your character's procs. If they do this, they will limit addons, they will not fix the WOW interface properly, the game will become garbage.
And even now without addons it is impossible to disable buffs and debuffs on the target so that it only shows what can be dispelled. Instead we will get 3-4 rows of buffs and debuffs on the target :))
Dr trackers need to go first
The addon should also be banned: Spy. because it is not possible that it could indicate that there is a stealth nearby ....
Lose players who want high levels of difficulty by making the game easier for plebs. We will see which one is more profitable
Plebs. Always. It’s literately in the word. The game should be for the masses. Not for neckbeard losers who do nothing but play video games.
I kind of agree, it's definitely an arms race. Finding a middle ground is going to be the difficult part.
Why middle ground? If addons are removed the encounters can be easier and remove the need cor Addons
Delete all addon, i just need Threat Plates , and im good
In principle I think this is very needed. Good call. Now to see what they can actually deliver.
This should be labeled " they are not good without their addons" because that is def the cause with 99% of the people I meet on that game.
I hope i can Play wow without ans addons. I hate updating and programming other stuff to play on high Level.
This is terrible. If they could improve endgame tools, they would have done it already. They have proven they can't do it. You can't even do your rotation properly without addons for many classes because they rely on picking out procs in a 15-20 item buff frame.
They should improve the game, not break addons. This is a stupid and lazy solution. Nothing new for Ion.
W finally.
Good ! You dont even need addons to raid unless for certain abilitys.
Good, sick of addons. Wow pve players are the absolute worst in the genre.
Then they need to fix the game so that we can actually track things.
I also really like WA's, the ones you use to see your rotational abilities.
@@Kmaitland89if you can’t track basic cooldowns you need glasses. The game is not hard and youre not playing at a high enough level to warrant multiple add ons
@@Kmaitland89 You don't need to track anything.
@@rabee53 Yes let me stare at the top right of my screen for tiny icons for the buffs and procs that I get in my rotation.
@@vaeell6532 You can move those with the default UI nice try though.
This game would be utter water dogshit without addons
I think China got the tele pet because they have a mandated limit on their gameplay time
Just ask Blizz if US and EU players will pay and watch their eyes light up.
Fair chance.. eventually
I would love to see add-ons removed.
They got a lot of work to do if they don't want people using addons in World of Auracraft
I would just ban all raiding and PVP add-ons.
I gave up on everything this expansion. It's gotten to be too much. MPLUS Raiding are made for no lifers even LFR has way too many mechanics.
addons have become to much and i feel like being the best player now means being skilled at setting up ui and reacting to weak auras that are littrally telling you what to hit and when and i think that its ruining a lot of what made the game fun>>>> learning about your gameplay and charecter but also your enemys pvp or pve ... mistakes used to mean something now you have it done for you and screamed at if u missclick etc etc..
You are not supposed to track ur enemies cd's vissibly on ur screen. FFS.
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