Here's the reality. Teachers in high schools have rosters of 150+ students, many with specialized learning plans, teaching multiple periods per day, all while dealing with so many other issues not related to teaching. Smartphones are a major distraction, leaving teachers to spend time on that issue instead of learning. Funding in most states is either diverted to private schools through vouchers, or cut to the public schools leaving little for innovative strategies or "choices". And you completely failed to mention state testing. We can sit around and do choices and projects all day long, but if the school performs poorly on a standardized state test, all that effort trying new learning strategies is wasted. You want to improve education? Start by properly funding schools, treating teachers as professional, putting education and learning first, and letting teachers be teachers. Until then, all we teachers hear is EduBabble.
Smartphones are banned at some schools. The need for "innovative" strategies means education has coasted far too long on old processes. As for "properly funded", well let me tell you, my ridiculous high school has ridiculously high funding, including for "courses" such as bass fishing. Now how does a school full of "professionals" allow bass fishing on their curriculum? How is it this school's "professionals" include in their contract 1 year off at half pay after 5 years on the job? AP classes. What a farce laid on the public! Lastly, "special ed" students. Why are any/all med/occupational therapies conducted at the school, on their budget, at the cost of $100K per student, so says our school, rather than any of these needs be done at medical/therapy facilities, paid for by healthcare, as the rest of the population do? What a contorted twisted little world, "education" has become.
And add the poor behavior of many students, lack of parental support, appropriate resources in the classroom and the school, uncollaborative teacher unions... and on and on and on ...
When I mentioned to the principal and coordinator that in the Algebra II class I was teaching, one student didn't understand fractions (he was in the 10th grade) and that I was teaching him. They just kept repeating, "Just make sure you give that student the curriculum for that subject..." Meaning, they didn't care, they weren't supposed to care. I was just supposed to present the curriculum to a two classes full of students, who when I'd given them the Algebra I midterm, except for two students, completely failed it. It's impossible to be engaged in something you have no ability to engage in. Later when I told those same two people that there was widespread cheating, they didn't care. As a kid of course I didn't like school, but I read a lot, had carpentry skills, practiced math for fun. Everything I learned in high school that I applied these to got me into a major university, where I did well. This was almost 50 years ago. If a student has no basic skills after about the 4th grade, they 'check out,' of education. Most never check back in. All of my basic skills are still working well in 'today's modern world,' (They were saying the same stuff when I was a kid.) What I expected to see after the COVID school closings was young people coming up with amazing self generated projects. That apparently didn't happen. That's the deep downside of being disengaged. We were cranky teenagers, but we always had self generated projects.
True. They aren't social workers. A kid arriving hungry isn't going to be paying attention. A kid who spends the evening with a disinterested babysitter because the one or more parents are working two jobs isn't getting the same support ("Do your homework.", "I'll help if you're stuck.") at home. True. However, rather than cave to pressure to give Mommy's darling straight As for B or C work, they can point out Mommy can help by reviewing little darling's homework. Even if it's only on the weekends, after they got their papers back. However, schooling isn't evolving. From 6th grade through college, math classes started with "let's review set theory". Many a college educated _still_ have trouble with left and right, because people try teaching them this way before they have an actual purpose for it. And by college educated, I include some of the MIT PhDs I've worked with. Set theory, is it _that_ _hard_ to draw intersecting circles on the board? Cubed, is it _that_ _hard_ to draw one on the board and show the surfaces? Control issues. Is it worth disrupting the class's tempo, because some kid just passed a note? Evolve.
I retired from teaching. We did a time where we were working on critical thinking skills. My most engaged students were those that were asked their opinion about an issue, and I listened. This was 7 year Olds. Many kids need skills and an opportunity to be heard. Totally agree with this topic, but, unfortunately teachers have to comply with district or state standards that seem to change every few years, always looking for the next best thing, not getting teacher feedback. It's politics and money
you're so right about this issue. I'm 40. I went into teaching out of college, but left to have a child, and didn't go back because of the combination of not making enough money, but mainly because I felt and still feel that teachers are just crapped on from all sides and have no support. Admin and bureaucracy has been ruining the education system for decades. I feel really terrible and sad about that.
I'm a teacher. A couple of things that need to be discussed are parents. Most are not parents but instead try to be friends to their child. Second is standardized tests. Standardized tests do not make learning more engaging and important to them both while in school and in the workplace. And yet test scores are how schools receive funding through the state, so without them there is no way to fund them (through the current model). Lastly, I can’t stress enough how teachers can’t be all things to all students all the time. I cannot be a parent to your child. I cannot be their social worker. I cannot be their friend. I cannot be their jailer. I cannot be their priest. I can show up everyday and bring the best of my professional knowledge and enthusiasm and use best practices everyday. Under the current model that will not be enough.
Exactly! Many times, if not most, when mentors are beings asked for, what they really want is for you to be a surrogate parent. There is a lot of reinventing the wheel going on, when all is needed is to get the societal institutions, to do what they are supposed/designed to do. One exception to this might be parenting. I think parenting should be taught in grade school - basically simply what good parenting is comprised of - love, care, nurturing, direction, structure, discipline, etc.. This is needed, until people learn what it is from their parents, especially by example. Civics and other courses, that are no longer taught, must also be returned to schools. In fact, instead of a call to defund police, the woke among us Black people, should have been saying to 'refund the schools'. Anyone can promote this, just by repeating it. If you do please emphasize the reasons, it is needed - that all the traditional courses, that once were taught, be restored, and even some new ones added, that may be necessary, because of the changes that have come about, in society, especially the workplace.
It seems like a lot of this started when teachers were made to teach kids to pass state testing. It cut out the ability of teachers to be more creative and broaden the curriculum for their students. Poverty has definitely made things worse, but also kids see that despite education only the extremely wealthy get ahead.
Stop expecting kids to self Motivate!!!! You have to set boundaries! Requirements! High expectations! The whole “if the teacher makes it interesting, The kids will want to learn it” thing is BS!!!! Motivated kids come from parents who place expectations on them. The problem is that the schools now LITERALLY talk about “letting kids lead the way.” It’s not true! Tell them they have to! They. Will. Rise. To. The. Responsibility. This bafflement drives me NUTS.
Haven't we heard all this before? Young people don't have a problem getting engaged in learning. It is a matter of what they choose to engage in. Besides that, the world they live in, is much different than older generation's. The peer pressure that comes with aging, is much greater than in the past. The sheer amount of information their minds process, in a day, is likely also a great factor. Martin mentioned 20 years of studies, but where can the fruits of it be seen? One of the most important things she did say, was that the consequences of not getting an adequate education, is much greater today. Children/adolescents have a lot to cope with today. If adult White males, have been increasingly having a difficult time coping, what do we think is going on with many young people? Professionals/Intellectuals do a lot of studies, but the public seldom, if ever, get to know enough about them, to put what is learned in them, to use. Much talk is heard about Black children needing mentors, but in many if, not most cases, what is really being asked for, is a surrogate parent. We African-Americans are rather schizophrenic, when it comes to issues like this. The same people who say "we are a spiritual, resilient, creative, some even say magical people, also say we suffer from trauma, not just the everyday stress and trauma we experience, but also trauma passed, down through our genes. Our children see so many contradictions and things subconsciously, not the least of which are the obvious disparities, that exist between White and Black people, especially. It seems to me there is a good chance, that at least subconsciously, a white child seeing this, would develop a sense of superiority and privilege, as a result of seeing this degree of disparity, and the opposite would be true for a Black child. If we as a society are not willing to consider this, as a reality, are we really trying to solve problems and disagreements? Many of us say many of our children don't have role models. How can that be an excuse, in today's information world? It is a question of the ones they choose - the people they allow, to be models for them. Teachers were often roll models in the past, so what kind of role model, is needed today - a president? Would you want your child to have the present one, as a model for your child? Such is the world we live in, that young people especially, are living in. It requires a lot of over compensating, in a lot of areas.
A certain set of teens will always be disengaged that has to do with many things some include peer pressure, teen anxiety , social status . That said , one of the main problems for lack of engagement by teens is that teachers have to teach to the test and many times the strategies they use and even the words are basically scripted and teachers are monitored by teams of administrators . Teachers are not allowed to teach to the students to motivate them to learn . The teachers have to teach to the test and to the administrators who monitor them. I have seen the rapid decline of autonomy for teachers to teach their subject to motivate their students for the past 2 decades I have taught in public schools.
Imagine the abject fear the kids have to have deep within themselves, everyday, over the reality that they could be killed while sitting in their classrooms trying to pay attention. Suppose that has anything to do with their performance and love of learning??
What an excellent conversation! Critical issue that affects our communities and society most directly. Many actionable suggestions for parents, teachers, schools, policy makers.
All I can say is my life has been a nightmare in Las Vegas, Nevada with the parents Bonnie and Terry Tipton and any time I am around Shawn Noone and the rest. Besides financially escaping them, and never seeing them again, my biggest wish is to be exposed to all of the thoughts of Bonnie Tipton, Terry Tipton, Jeremy Noone, Shawn Noone, Travis Noone, Alondra Ramirez, Brandon Noone, and his girlfriend Jeannie. I just want to see for sure if they are models of moral perfection, and perfection and otherwise. I want to be fly on the wall of Brandon Noone and Jeremy in whatever work capacity to see if they are the models of perfection who get nothing but professional glory. That is the only thing I hear about them. Every day Bonnie and Terry Tipton have been condescending in the way they speak. I never like to them or the others. I would rather have a conversation with Dt. Ramamurti because he readily admits to mistakes. and is not condescending. Bonnie and Terry Tipton have displayed nothing but condescending attitudes every day since 2021. just despise these people. I despise all of these people. I just wish to become a fly on the wall when they are not around me with the only purpose of seeing if they are as perfect as is described. They can get me crying and depressed all day long. I wish someone could get me away from. I will do any work that gets me independent from Bonnie and Terry Tipton, and the rest of them. I cannot stand any of these people. My only wish is to become the fly on the wall where they cannot see me, and I can witness in all of their perfection and glory.
I've been a teacher for 16 years as a HS history and math teacher. I'm so done telling kids about the problems of the world and then working on some AP curriculum that has no way to address anything in the world we live in. Kids don't want it, I don't want it, but it's forced down our throats. Teachers are forced to teach a curriculum so that students can be judged and placed in higher ed. It's data and scores and bureaucracy. This notion that it's the teachers is beyond unaware.
American schools feel like prison for two big reasons: Car Dependent Suburbia - When you live in a car dependent town, there are only two places your children can go, school and home. It's not possible for children to go anywhere else because they need a car to get there and, obviously, children can't drive. When school and home are the only two choices students have, they feel trapped because they are trapped. If, at the end of the school day, children had the option of walking to a park or walking to a burger joint with their friends, school wouldn't feel like prison because students would actually have the ability to go somewhere else, besides home. That's how the rest of the world works. In America, the only option most students have, at the end of the day, is to take the bus home. Lack of Independent Time - In the office, the number one thing people complain about is meetings. "So many meetings, when will I ever get my work done!" Well, think about how school works, it's one endless meeting after the other. Students barley have any time to independently do anything. If schools gave their students one hour of study hall a day, that would dramatically increase the control students have over their time. They would be able to prioritize tasks and focus on things that are more urgent/difficult for them; whether it's studying for a test, working on a project, writing a paper, or simply doing their homework. Teachers could also use this time to provide tutoring for students who are struggling in their class. We're not all good at the same things, we shouldn't force all students to spend the same amount of time on all subjects. Students wouldn't feel so trapped because they would actually have the ability to choose and prioritize tasks, instead of constantly being ordered to do things.
Teachers need to be psychologists ..social workers….but no time so kids can’t discuss their family problems …mum working…dad working….too tired …expect teachers to be parents
I had a friend who taught 6th grade, a retired principal, who observed that teaching changed radically in the 1970svwhen both parents worked and no one was available to get kids ready to attend school
Another great concept. 1 parent works, and the other manages the household. Edit: Can't get any parenting done when both are always at work or asleep for work.
@@RipMinner But if both parents aren't working, how will the billionaires and Mom and Pop weasels get by? I mean, they're going to be mighty PO'ed if they have to pay wage rates support an entire family. Restaurants and hotels tanking, if they can't pay their $2.13 and $7.25 an hour rates.
@buzoff4642 And who is going to work for then if none of the slaves are having babys? Who is going to use their services if only a few can afford them?
Trigonometry and many other required subjects in high school, even 50 years ago, were completely unrelated to most career paths. Kids need to be super literate and taught how to differentiate between facts and disinformation, and to behave civilly. They also need to understand how federal, state, and local governments work, as well as fundamental economics. Equally important, they need to understand personal finance such as credit, debt, mortgages, consumerism, fraud, saving for rainy days and retirement, Social Security, health insurance, and Medicare and Medicaid. And they need to PUT DOWN THEIR PHONES and engage with people and life!!
@@lesleyheller2271 above all parents need to move away from soothing their children with Miss Rachel and practice personal parenting, I parents unable to tolerate a crying infant as young as say 4 was old and place their cell phones immediately 2 to 3. Inches from babies faces . A a medical professional I’m trying to discourage these pervasive behaviors
Major escalation of conflict avoidance. Not just students. God forbid teachers, doctors, etc. politely tell parents where to get off. God forbid education evolve. Worst of the worst, math, mind numbing theory. No, the majority of parents are using these at work. Close second, the vast lie of pristine history. Endless series of the one single heroic male/date/event. The tutored kids are in culture shock at college, "Waaa! Where's my tutor?" And literally, parents fly in. At work, "I'm PO'ed, but won't take it up with coworker." having no confidence for adult conversations. "Where's my snowplow Mommy to defend me?" However, the prison sensation does serve them exactly what they'll experience at work, hostages to fear driven hostile management. We are devolving.
This whole clip is missing the entire point. The issue is theocracy system. We’ve decided that people building houses don’t deserve the own home decided that people they’re working McDonald’s don’t deserve to own a car who decided to enrich certain people and exile into poverty, others as a society rather than making Everyone have a dignified existence.
Or farm workers. How is it that in 2025 we still have three-month summer breaks? It’s a tradition from 200 years ago so kids could supply free labor on their parents’ farms.
The kids are smart. The ones disengaging from you see no future in what you're teaching them. In short, they are not going to be the working poor. you're setting them up to be.
I have a teenager that, fortunately, does have some motivation to pursue her interests. I’m really concerned with dealing with the aftermath of our failure to not address engagement in school.
As all problems, this too is complicated. The topics discussed assume that all people have the same academic intellect, the same potential, and the same drive. They simply do not! This is a biological fact. It's biological diversity. Some students love math, some love literature, some love music, some love athletics... Even those who excell in everything prefer to spend their time doing one topic. Perhaps schools should become specialized. A k-12 school for some disciplines rather than all disciplines. Finally, the reason why students begin to diverge in middle school could be due to puberty.
"The farther you get from real kids, the more likely you are to think that standardized testing is a fine idea." - Alfie Kohn, "Test Ban Entreaty", Hope Magazine, Jan-Feb. 2004, p. 3) Read: Why the school ‘accountability movement’ based on standardized tests is nothing more than ‘a charade’ (2017/10/05) in the Washington Post, and the two articles: "Rethinking Homework" and "The Homework Myth" by Alfie Kohn.
Get rid of cell phones and computers in home classrooms. Don't make your class room look like a room in your house. Get your art, music, creative writing, photography classes and drama departments up and running! Kids need to have a place to work and express themselves! They will get engaged!
What happened in the last two decades? No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top. School became boring due to testing. Focus on STEM instead of the arts and an absence of vocational studies. It's not just what is being taught, it's how. With computers there's less engagement. Add to that school choice which is destroying traditional public education. Charter and voucher proponents need to find another way to find their agenda and leave traditional public school tax dollars in traditional public schools. Stop starving traditional public school.
So how did their parents blow it? They didn't ask greedy bums to raise the prices of everything from housing to groceries, or to hog all a company's profits instead of paying the workers decent wages.
Sadly, education seems to be geared more towards girls, at least in the younger grades. Thoughnsome boys do keep up or catch up later on. But almost every boynhas some from of ADHD or autism or aspergers, I can't even imagine how a teacher, or even a parent, is supposed to motivate or inspire. I'm just grateful my kids are willing to do homework when I tell them to!😂
Carl Honoré is a Canadian journalist who wrote the internationally best-selling book In Praise of Slow: Challenging the Cult of Speed (2004). His follow-up, Under Pressure: Rescuing Our Children from the Culture of Hyper-Parenting (2009) promotes a more relaxed and more hands-off technique for raising and educating children: "slow parenting". Honoré: "Their (Finnish children) early childhood is spent at home or in nursery programs where play is king. When they finally do reach school, they enjoy short days, long vacations and plenty of music, art and sports. Apart from final exams at the end of high school, Finnish kids face no standardized tests. Teachers use quizzes, and individual schools use tests to track their pupils’ progress, but the idea of cramming for SATs is as alien to Finland as a heat wave in winter. This presents a delicious irony: the nation that puts the least stress on competition and testing, that shows the least appetite for cram schools and private tutoring, routinely tops the world in PISA's (OECD Programme for International Student Assessment) competitive exams.”
In a high school classroom, who is responsible for key curriculum decisions, i.e. where the rubber hits the road, day-to-day? There are exams that teachers have to give, and administrators requiring certain policies to create desired outcomes, for various reasons. Knowledge is necessary for higher order skills - but how much knowledge, and which skills? Who is really prioritizing these critical kinds of details, subject-by-subject? Lastly, providing opportunities for high school students to do projects in the community requires resources, leadership, vision, and community involvement. It’s a great concept - but is this really a priority coming from the bottom-up, (families to school leadership), or viceversa? There has to be strong leadership with a vision for this to happen - but this is really hard work and requires true believers in this kind of education. And it is risky to go off the beaten path. Grading decisions, requirements, having certain standards - all critical details… are those kinds of administrators and teachers out there in a field that’s seen some tremendous challenges, on all fronts?
I just helped my grade 10 daughter prepare for her trigonometry and algebra exam. We both wondered why she needed to learn any of it. Just seems so antiquated and irrelevant to her interests and the skills she will actually need. Schools are still teaching 1960s curriculum.
Never took trigonometry, so will leave that to someone else. 😄 As for algebra, though, finding the value of X is useful for such everyday tasks as grocery shopping, buying paint, or designing spreadsheets to make boring work less time consuming. It's also great for her growing synapses to practice algebraic logic.
Math is taught not to learn math. Let me explain. Math teaches students how to thing axiomatically, with an organized, reason-based process of solving problems - any problem, not just math problems. So math is the vehicle to learn how to think about the world.
@@magouliana32 It was in my classroom, but sadly, not all teachers or education "experts" study the adolescent brain. (Speaking of classes nobody needs, most education courses are a huge waste of time, and can even do more harm than good.)
People who draw conclusions about teaching based on "research". vs people who draw conclusions about teaching based on their lived experience being a teacher.
In Michael Moore’s 2015 travelogue-style documentary “Where to Invade Next?” -- free to view -- he observes: “Finland’s students have the shortest school days and the shortest school years in the entire western world. They do better by going to school less." (30:30 mark Finland public schools) If a national survey was done of parents who "red-shirted" their own kids - waited to enrol them in kindergarten at age six - I’m certain the vast majority would say it was one of the best decisions they ever made as parents.
well maybe, stop whitewashing the curriculum in schools. Make the WORLD interesting. 90% of the stuff in school is not true at all. Teach Financial literacy, Psychology/mental health as a subject, business ownership, investing, international trade, create products, COMUNITY SERVICE teach them to give give give not just getting stuff etc. Divide the day into learning and giving.
there's always been a certain percentage of kids who drop out of HS at first chance at 16 yrs old those who are bullied and school does nothing about it kids who are physically or sexually abused by a teacher/coach. also a high school has 6 or 7 periods depending on length of school day around 7 hrs. also standardized testing plays a role in some kids hating school thankfully Massachusetts did away with the MCAS test in the 2024 election and even gave kids who couldn't pass a portion of the test can now get a retroactive diploma where as when they couldn't pass the test they got a certificate of completion upon graduation
Yes. When you're under-resourced, you stick a phone in your kids hand and call it done. I'm a media psychologist. Warning about this for 15 years. 20 year adult educator and left the classroom. Please. Hear. This Video. I've never been the kind of teacher you're describing. Change the accreditation process and stop assuming that all teachers are sages on the stage, we're not and we're tired of your smack-talking. Teach your own kids.😉
All students want to do is play on their phones! And you can't blame the school vouchers. We don't have them yet in my state. Money is not the problem. Parents just want the opportunity to choose the best school for their children. Public schools need to step up and get back to teaching fundamental skills: reading, writing, and math rather than trying to indoctrinate kids with political agendas. Students need to be disciplined for their disrespectful and distractive behaviors. Teachers are leaving because they are tired of being overworked and underpaid. It is exhausting teaching in a public school today!
The ignorant responses in this thread indicate a culturally collapsing society that doesn't understand the value of education, college prep or vocational.😢
Musk told you to quit college... Then 5 years later he says you're not qualified for the job so he needs H1B from places where the kids still go to college 😂😂😂 the way you all fell for it would be funny if it wasn't so sad
@ exactly, just like when they tricked women into working all day and then over time lowered men’s salaries so they doubled their workforce 2 for the price of one. They sold it to them as equality and freedom 😂.
Here's the reality. Teachers in high schools have rosters of 150+ students, many with specialized learning plans, teaching multiple periods per day, all while dealing with so many other issues not related to teaching. Smartphones are a major distraction, leaving teachers to spend time on that issue instead of learning. Funding in most states is either diverted to private schools through vouchers, or cut to the public schools leaving little for innovative strategies or "choices". And you completely failed to mention state testing. We can sit around and do choices and projects all day long, but if the school performs poorly on a standardized state test, all that effort trying new learning strategies is wasted. You want to improve education? Start by properly funding schools, treating teachers as professional, putting education and learning first, and letting teachers be teachers. Until then, all we teachers hear is EduBabble.
Yeah these lady's are selling a book!? "The _consequences_ are higher?!" As if!!? That's another way of saying it's impossibly hard now for them!!!
Smartphones are banned at some schools.
The need for "innovative" strategies means education has coasted far too long on old processes.
As for "properly funded", well let me tell you, my ridiculous high school has ridiculously high funding, including for "courses" such as bass fishing. Now how does a school full of "professionals" allow bass fishing on their curriculum? How is it this school's "professionals" include in their contract 1 year off at half pay after 5 years on the job?
AP classes. What a farce laid on the public!
Lastly, "special ed" students. Why are any/all med/occupational therapies conducted at the school, on their budget, at the cost of $100K per student, so says our school, rather than any of these needs be done at medical/therapy facilities, paid for by healthcare, as the rest of the population do?
What a contorted twisted little world, "education" has become.
Missed one, a big one, ESL.
Boston brags they've 190 languages in their schools. While they close their school libraries... due to "lack of funds".
And add the poor behavior of many students, lack of parental support, appropriate resources in the classroom and the school, uncollaborative teacher unions... and on and on and on ...
@ It's remarkable to see UA-cam cherry picking what posts are listed.
Teachers are quitting because they are blamed for everything!!
When I mentioned to the principal and coordinator that in the Algebra II class I was teaching, one student didn't understand fractions (he was in the 10th grade) and that I was teaching him. They just kept repeating, "Just make sure you give that student the curriculum for that subject..." Meaning, they didn't care, they weren't supposed to care. I was just supposed to present the curriculum to a two classes full of students, who when I'd given them the Algebra I midterm, except for two students, completely failed it. It's impossible to be engaged in something you have no ability to engage in. Later when I told those same two people that there was widespread cheating, they didn't care.
As a kid of course I didn't like school, but I read a lot, had carpentry skills, practiced math for fun. Everything I learned in high school that I applied these to got me into a major university, where I did well. This was almost 50 years ago. If a student has no basic skills after about the 4th grade, they 'check out,' of education. Most never check back in. All of my basic skills are still working well in 'today's modern world,' (They were saying the same stuff when I was a kid.)
What I expected to see after the COVID school closings was young people coming up with amazing self generated projects. That apparently didn't happen. That's the deep downside of being disengaged. We were cranky teenagers, but we always had self generated projects.
Teachers are quitting because of lack of parental accountability.
Teachers started quitting when Trump started politicizing& weaponizing them back in his last administration?
They're fu*king stupid just chucking around with buzzwords like critical race theory and dei! I'm sick of this shit
True. They aren't social workers. A kid arriving hungry isn't going to be paying attention. A kid who spends the evening with a disinterested babysitter because the one or more parents are working two jobs isn't getting the same support ("Do your homework.", "I'll help if you're stuck.") at home.
True. However, rather than cave to pressure to give Mommy's darling straight As for B or C work, they can point out Mommy can help by reviewing little darling's homework. Even if it's only on the weekends, after they got their papers back.
However, schooling isn't evolving.
From 6th grade through college, math classes started with "let's review set theory". Many a college educated _still_ have trouble with left and right, because people try teaching them this way before they have an actual purpose for it. And by college educated, I include some of the MIT PhDs I've worked with. Set theory, is it _that_ _hard_ to draw intersecting circles on the board? Cubed, is it _that_ _hard_ to draw one on the board and show the surfaces?
Control issues. Is it worth disrupting the class's tempo, because some kid just passed a note?
Evolve.
I retired from teaching. We did a time where we were working on critical thinking skills. My most engaged students were those that were asked their opinion about an issue, and I listened. This was 7 year Olds. Many kids need skills and an opportunity to be heard. Totally agree with this topic, but, unfortunately teachers have to comply with district or state standards that seem to change every few years, always looking for the next best thing, not getting teacher feedback. It's politics and money
you're so right about this issue. I'm 40. I went into teaching out of college, but left to have a child, and didn't go back because of the combination of not making enough money, but mainly because I felt and still feel that teachers are just crapped on from all sides and have no support. Admin and bureaucracy has been ruining the education system for decades. I feel really terrible and sad about that.
I'm a teacher. A couple of things that need to be discussed are parents. Most are not parents but instead try to be friends to their child. Second is standardized tests. Standardized tests do not make learning more engaging and important to them both while in school and in the workplace. And yet test scores are how schools receive funding through the state, so without them there is no way to fund them (through the current model). Lastly, I can’t stress enough how teachers can’t be all things to all students all the time. I cannot be a parent to your child. I cannot be their social worker. I cannot be their friend. I cannot be their jailer. I cannot be their priest. I can show up everyday and bring the best of my professional knowledge and enthusiasm and use best practices everyday. Under the current model that will not be enough.
Exactly! Many times, if not most, when mentors are beings asked for, what they really want is for you to be a surrogate parent. There is a lot of reinventing the wheel going on, when all is needed is to get the societal institutions, to do what they are supposed/designed to do. One exception to this might be parenting. I think parenting should be taught in grade school - basically simply what good parenting is comprised of - love, care, nurturing, direction, structure, discipline, etc.. This is needed, until people learn what it is from their parents, especially by example. Civics and other courses, that are no longer taught, must also be returned to schools. In fact, instead of a call to defund police, the woke among us Black people, should have been saying to 'refund the schools'. Anyone can promote this, just by repeating it. If you do please emphasize the reasons, it is needed - that all the traditional courses, that once were taught, be restored, and even some new ones added, that may be necessary, because of the changes that have come about, in society, especially the workplace.
It seems like a lot of this started when teachers were made to teach kids to pass state testing. It cut out the ability of teachers to be more creative and broaden the curriculum for their students. Poverty has definitely made things worse, but also kids see that despite education only the extremely wealthy get ahead.
My great challenges in the classroom, cell phones and apathy.
Exactly, the apathy has always been a problem, but 40 years ago kids just slept through class cause there wasn't the internet to distract us.
Stop expecting kids to self
Motivate!!!! You have to set boundaries! Requirements! High expectations! The whole “if the teacher makes it interesting,
The kids will want to learn it” thing is BS!!!! Motivated kids come from parents who place expectations on them. The problem is that the schools now LITERALLY talk about “letting kids lead the way.” It’s not true! Tell them they have to! They. Will. Rise. To. The. Responsibility.
This bafflement drives me NUTS.
Haven't we heard all this before? Young people don't have a problem getting engaged in learning. It is a matter of what they choose to engage in. Besides that, the world they live in, is much different than older generation's. The peer pressure that comes with aging, is much greater than in the past. The sheer amount of information their minds process, in a day, is likely also a great factor. Martin mentioned 20 years of studies, but where can the fruits of it be seen? One of the most important things she did say, was that the consequences of not getting an adequate education, is much greater today. Children/adolescents have a lot to cope with today. If adult White males, have been increasingly having a difficult time coping, what do we think is going on with many young people? Professionals/Intellectuals do a lot of studies, but the public seldom, if ever, get to know enough about them, to put what is learned in them, to use. Much talk is heard about Black children needing mentors, but in many if, not most cases, what is really being asked for, is a surrogate parent. We African-Americans are rather schizophrenic, when it comes to issues like this. The same people who say "we are a spiritual, resilient, creative, some even say magical people, also say we suffer from trauma, not just the everyday stress and trauma we experience, but also trauma passed, down through our genes. Our children see so many contradictions and things subconsciously, not the least of which are the obvious disparities, that exist between White and Black people, especially. It seems to me there is a good chance, that at least subconsciously, a white child seeing this, would develop a sense of superiority and privilege, as a result of seeing this degree of disparity, and the opposite would be true for a Black child. If we as a society are not willing to consider this, as a reality, are we really trying to solve problems and disagreements? Many of us say many of our children don't have role models. How can that be an excuse, in today's information world? It is a question of the ones they choose - the people they allow, to be models for them. Teachers were often roll models in the past, so what kind of role model, is needed today - a president? Would you want your child to have the present one, as a model for your child? Such is the world we live in, that young people especially, are living in. It requires a lot of over compensating, in a lot of areas.
A certain set of teens will always be disengaged that has to do with many things some include peer pressure, teen anxiety , social status . That said , one of the main problems for lack of engagement by teens is that teachers have to teach to the test and many times the strategies they use and even the words are basically scripted and teachers are monitored by teams of administrators . Teachers are not allowed to teach to the students to motivate them to learn . The teachers have to teach to the test and to the administrators who monitor them. I have seen the rapid decline of autonomy for teachers to teach their subject to motivate their students for the past 2 decades I have taught in public schools.
Imagine the abject fear the kids have to have deep within themselves, everyday, over the reality that they could be killed while sitting in their classrooms trying to pay attention. Suppose that has anything to do with their performance and love of learning??
It does not. Don't hijack the conversation.
What an excellent conversation! Critical issue that affects our communities and society most directly.
Many actionable suggestions for parents, teachers, schools, policy makers.
All I can say is my life has been a nightmare in Las Vegas, Nevada with the parents Bonnie and Terry Tipton and any time I am around Shawn Noone and the rest. Besides financially escaping them, and never seeing them again, my biggest wish is to be exposed to all of the thoughts of Bonnie Tipton, Terry Tipton, Jeremy Noone, Shawn Noone, Travis Noone, Alondra Ramirez, Brandon Noone, and his girlfriend Jeannie. I just want to see for sure if they are models of moral perfection, and perfection and otherwise. I want to be fly on the wall of Brandon Noone and Jeremy in whatever work capacity to see if they are the models of perfection who get nothing but professional glory. That is the only thing I hear about them. Every day Bonnie and Terry Tipton have been condescending in the way they speak. I never like to them or the others. I would rather have a conversation with Dt. Ramamurti because he readily admits to mistakes. and is not condescending. Bonnie and Terry Tipton have displayed nothing but condescending attitudes every day since 2021. just despise these people. I despise all of these people. I just wish to become a fly on the wall when they are not around me with the only purpose of seeing if they are as perfect as is described. They can get me crying and depressed all day long. I wish someone could get me away from. I will do any work that gets me independent from Bonnie and Terry Tipton, and the rest of them. I cannot stand any of these people. My only wish is to become the fly on the wall where they cannot see me, and I can witness in all of their perfection and glory.
I've been a teacher for 16 years as a HS history and math teacher. I'm so done telling kids about the problems of the world and then working on some AP curriculum that has no way to address anything in the world we live in. Kids don't want it, I don't want it, but it's forced down our throats. Teachers are forced to teach a curriculum so that students can be judged and placed in higher ed. It's data and scores and bureaucracy. This notion that it's the teachers is beyond unaware.
Thank you for covering the educational system. My child is fully disengaged and I don’t blame him.
American schools feel like prison for two big reasons:
Car Dependent Suburbia - When you live in a car dependent town, there are only two places your children can go, school and home. It's not possible for children to go anywhere else because they need a car to get there and, obviously, children can't drive. When school and home are the only two choices students have, they feel trapped because they are trapped. If, at the end of the school day, children had the option of walking to a park or walking to a burger joint with their friends, school wouldn't feel like prison because students would actually have the ability to go somewhere else, besides home. That's how the rest of the world works. In America, the only option most students have, at the end of the day, is to take the bus home.
Lack of Independent Time - In the office, the number one thing people complain about is meetings. "So many meetings, when will I ever get my work done!" Well, think about how school works, it's one endless meeting after the other. Students barley have any time to independently do anything. If schools gave their students one hour of study hall a day, that would dramatically increase the control students have over their time. They would be able to prioritize tasks and focus on things that are more urgent/difficult for them; whether it's studying for a test, working on a project, writing a paper, or simply doing their homework. Teachers could also use this time to provide tutoring for students who are struggling in their class. We're not all good at the same things, we shouldn't force all students to spend the same amount of time on all subjects. Students wouldn't feel so trapped because they would actually have the ability to choose and prioritize tasks, instead of constantly being ordered to do things.
Teachers need to be psychologists ..social workers….but no time so kids can’t discuss their family problems …mum working…dad working….too tired …expect teachers to be parents
I had a friend who taught 6th grade, a retired principal, who observed that teaching changed radically in the 1970svwhen both parents worked and no one was available to get kids ready to attend school
The kids are seeing how society and companies take everything and give nothing back. Why would they work hard for that?
What a great concept! Parental involvement! Wow! So novel!!!!
Another great concept. 1 parent works, and the other manages the household. Edit: Can't get any parenting done when both are always at work or asleep for work.
@@RipMinner But if both parents aren't working, how will the billionaires and Mom and Pop weasels get by? I mean, they're going to be mighty PO'ed if they have to pay wage rates support an entire family. Restaurants and hotels tanking, if they can't pay their $2.13 and $7.25 an hour rates.
@buzoff4642 And who is going to work for then if none of the slaves are having babys? Who is going to use their services if only a few can afford them?
What teacher can compete with the entertainment available online?
Facts
Very true, 24/7 access of pure superficial fun
4H Clubs have a wonderful and malleable framework that can be adapted.
You are right.
Trigonometry and many other required subjects in high school, even 50 years ago, were completely unrelated to most career paths. Kids need to be super literate and taught how to differentiate between facts and disinformation, and to behave civilly. They also need to understand how federal, state, and local governments work, as well as fundamental economics. Equally important, they need to understand personal finance such as credit, debt, mortgages, consumerism, fraud, saving for rainy days and retirement, Social Security, health insurance, and Medicare and Medicaid. And they need to PUT DOWN THEIR PHONES and engage with people and life!!
@@lesleyheller2271 above all parents need to move away from soothing their children with Miss Rachel and practice personal parenting,
I parents unable to tolerate a crying infant as young as say 4 was old and place their cell phones immediately 2 to 3. Inches from babies faces . A a medical professional I’m trying to discourage these pervasive behaviors
Just stop blaming teachers, please. Unfortunately this has become the case in too many instances.
Major escalation of conflict avoidance. Not just students. God forbid teachers, doctors, etc. politely tell parents where to get off.
God forbid education evolve. Worst of the worst, math, mind numbing theory. No, the majority of parents are using these at work. Close second, the vast lie of pristine history. Endless series of the one single heroic male/date/event.
The tutored kids are in culture shock at college, "Waaa! Where's my tutor?" And literally, parents fly in.
At work, "I'm PO'ed, but won't take it up with coworker." having no confidence for adult conversations. "Where's my snowplow Mommy to defend me?"
However, the prison sensation does serve them exactly what they'll experience at work, hostages to fear driven hostile management.
We are devolving.
This whole clip is missing the entire point. The issue is theocracy system. We’ve decided that people building houses don’t deserve the own home decided that people they’re working McDonald’s don’t deserve to own a car who decided to enrich certain people and exile into poverty, others as a society rather than making Everyone have a dignified existence.
What does any of that have to do with Theocracy?
Theocracy is dealing with people being forced to follow a religious law from the state government. You may want to do some research on this
Our schools are still designed to train compliant factory workers.
Or farm workers. How is it that in 2025 we still have three-month summer breaks? It’s a tradition from 200 years ago so kids could supply free labor on their parents’ farms.
The kids are smart. The ones disengaging from you see no future in what you're teaching them. In short, they are not going to be the working poor. you're setting them up to be.
This is the exact question I have been asking myself. The world has changed.
I love Amanpour & Company! If other news depresses me about an issue, you show me that someone is hard at work on it.
I have a teenager that, fortunately, does have some motivation to pursue her interests. I’m really concerned with dealing with the aftermath of our failure to not address engagement in school.
Education is more than sitting in a class listening to someone talking.
And it's not something you can actually attain before your late teens imo!?
Watch the popular 2006 TED Talk, "Do schools kill creativity?" by Sir Ken Robinson.
These "experts" are so detached from reality. Too bad they are so assertive and forceful
Read the books, "Raising Boys" and "Raising Girls" by Steve Biddulph, the world-renowned family therapist and parenting author.
As all problems, this too is complicated. The topics discussed assume that all people have the same academic intellect, the same potential, and the same drive. They simply do not! This is a biological fact. It's biological diversity. Some students love math, some love literature, some love music, some love athletics... Even those who excell in everything prefer to spend their time doing one topic. Perhaps schools should become specialized. A k-12 school for some disciplines rather than all disciplines.
Finally, the reason why students begin to diverge in middle school could be due to puberty.
"The farther you get from real kids, the more likely you are to think that standardized testing is a fine idea." - Alfie Kohn, "Test Ban Entreaty", Hope Magazine, Jan-Feb. 2004, p. 3)
Read: Why the school ‘accountability movement’ based on standardized tests is nothing more than ‘a charade’ (2017/10/05) in the Washington Post, and the two articles: "Rethinking Homework" and "The Homework Myth" by Alfie Kohn.
Get rid of cell phones and computers in home classrooms. Don't make your class room look like a room in your house. Get your art, music, creative writing, photography classes and drama departments up and running! Kids need to have a place to work and express themselves! They will get engaged!
What happened in the last two decades? No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top. School became boring due to testing. Focus on STEM instead of the arts and an absence of vocational studies. It's not just what is being taught, it's how. With computers there's less engagement. Add to that school choice which is destroying traditional public education. Charter and voucher proponents need to find another way to find their agenda and leave traditional public school tax dollars in traditional public schools. Stop starving traditional public school.
Parents blew it !!
They see what their parents are going through and don't want that.
So how did their parents blow it? They didn't ask greedy bums to raise the prices of everything from housing to groceries, or to hog all a company's profits instead of paying the workers decent wages.
As a parent of a boy and a girl who has gone through the system, it has often felt like boys are treated as broken girls.
Sadly, education seems to be geared more towards girls, at least in the younger grades. Thoughnsome boys do keep up or catch up later on. But almost every boynhas some from of ADHD or autism or aspergers, I can't even imagine how a teacher, or even a parent, is supposed to motivate or inspire. I'm just grateful my kids are willing to do homework when I tell them to!😂
Carl Honoré is a Canadian journalist who wrote the internationally best-selling book In Praise of Slow: Challenging the Cult of Speed (2004). His follow-up, Under Pressure: Rescuing Our Children from the Culture of Hyper-Parenting (2009) promotes a more relaxed and more hands-off technique for raising and educating children: "slow parenting".
Honoré: "Their (Finnish children) early childhood is spent at home or in nursery programs where play is king. When they finally do reach school, they enjoy short days, long vacations and plenty of music, art and sports. Apart from final exams at the end of high school, Finnish kids face no standardized tests. Teachers use quizzes, and individual schools use tests to track their pupils’ progress, but the idea of cramming for SATs is as alien to Finland as a heat wave in winter. This presents a delicious irony: the nation that puts the least stress on competition and testing, that shows the least appetite for cram schools and private tutoring, routinely tops the world in PISA's (OECD Programme for International Student Assessment) competitive exams.”
In a high school classroom, who is responsible for key curriculum decisions, i.e. where the rubber hits the road, day-to-day? There are exams that teachers have to give, and administrators requiring certain policies to create desired outcomes, for various reasons.
Knowledge is necessary for higher order skills - but how much knowledge, and which skills? Who is really prioritizing these critical kinds of details, subject-by-subject?
Lastly, providing opportunities for high school students to do projects in the community requires resources, leadership, vision, and community involvement. It’s a great concept - but is this really a priority coming from the bottom-up, (families to school leadership), or viceversa? There has to be strong leadership with a vision for this to happen - but this is really hard work and requires true believers in this kind of education. And it is risky to go off the beaten path. Grading decisions, requirements, having certain standards - all critical details… are those kinds of administrators and teachers out there in a field that’s seen some tremendous challenges, on all fronts?
I just helped my grade 10 daughter prepare for her trigonometry and algebra exam. We both wondered why she needed to learn any of it. Just seems so antiquated and irrelevant to her interests and the skills she will actually need. Schools are still teaching 1960s curriculum.
Never took trigonometry, so will leave that to someone else. 😄 As for algebra, though, finding the value of X is useful for such everyday tasks as grocery shopping, buying paint, or designing spreadsheets to make boring work less time consuming. It's also great for her growing synapses to practice algebraic logic.
@@nancymcmonarchthe last part is very important but is that one of the aims of the correct US curriculum?
Math is taught not to learn math. Let me explain. Math teaches students how to thing axiomatically, with an organized, reason-based process of solving problems - any problem, not just math problems. So math is the vehicle to learn how to think about the world.
@@magouliana32 It was in my classroom, but sadly, not all teachers or education "experts" study the adolescent brain. (Speaking of classes nobody needs, most education courses are a huge waste of time, and can even do more harm than good.)
@@gsink6509So is logic!
People who draw conclusions about teaching based on "research". vs people who draw conclusions about teaching based on their lived experience being a teacher.
Yeah I can remember actually being in school and not falling for shit like this?!
She deals with suburban schools not city schools!!!
GOOD JOB, PARENTZ: Quite Quitting! Where did you learn this behavior, I got it from YOU & (MOM & DAD)???
Q: what about "work ethics", ie, like getting a job at a fast food place on weekends?
In Michael Moore’s 2015 travelogue-style documentary “Where to Invade Next?” -- free to view -- he observes: “Finland’s students have the shortest school days and the shortest school years in the entire western world. They do better by going to school less." (30:30 mark Finland public schools)
If a national survey was done of parents who "red-shirted" their own kids - waited to enrol them in kindergarten at age six - I’m certain the vast majority would say it was one of the best decisions they ever made as parents.
well maybe, stop whitewashing the curriculum in schools. Make the WORLD interesting. 90% of the stuff in school is not true at all. Teach Financial literacy, Psychology/mental health as a subject, business ownership, investing, international trade, create products, COMUNITY SERVICE teach them to give give give not just getting stuff etc. Divide the day into learning and giving.
Meditation
there's always been a certain percentage of kids who drop out of HS at first chance at 16 yrs old those who are bullied and school does nothing about it kids who are physically or sexually abused by a teacher/coach. also a high school has 6 or 7 periods depending on length of school day around 7 hrs. also standardized testing plays a role in some kids hating school thankfully Massachusetts did away with the MCAS test in the 2024 election and even gave kids who couldn't pass a portion of the test can now get a retroactive diploma where as when they couldn't pass the test they got a certificate of completion upon graduation
Young people can’t even count change. It is very sad.
What a useless bunch of guests. Just people making money off books, interviews and journalism
Read the two books "Raising Boys" and "Raising Girls" by Steve Biddulph, the world-renowned family therapist and parenting author.
Why are the american People so unaware of rest of the world and the history?❤🇸🇪
The answer is here…Ai tutors with the rest of the day in meaningful learning
Watch the 2009 video: "Lost Adventures of Childhood: The High Price of Hyper-Parenting"
School Inc. wants them to do more and more testing ... I wonder why they are bored??
Yes. When you're under-resourced, you stick a phone in your kids hand and call it done. I'm a media psychologist. Warning about this for 15 years. 20 year adult educator and left the classroom. Please. Hear. This Video. I've never been the kind of teacher you're describing. Change the accreditation process and stop assuming that all teachers are sages on the stage, we're not and we're tired of your smack-talking. Teach your own kids.😉
All students want to do is play on their phones! And you can't blame the school vouchers. We don't have them yet in my state. Money is not the problem. Parents just want the opportunity to choose the best school for their children. Public schools need to step up and get back to teaching fundamental skills: reading, writing, and math rather than trying to indoctrinate kids with political agendas. Students need to be disciplined for their disrespectful and distractive behaviors. Teachers are leaving because they are tired of being overworked and underpaid. It is exhausting teaching in a public school today!
The ignorant responses in this thread indicate a culturally collapsing society that doesn't understand the value of education, college prep or vocational.😢
Fix why parents are disengaged with their children and this will resolve.
the solution is to end compulsory education for those 14 and over.
And then what would teenagers do all day?
Let them work at McDonald's for a year or two. They'll become much better students
Disengaged engaged on digital devices
Or engaged in Legislation like
California AB 1955 😮
Or nyc similar legislation 😮
Amanpour better prepare to work for McDonald's soon 😂😂
We aren't teaching them anything!!!
SO TRUE
Tell me more. Graduated back in 2010. So glad I left when I did. Homework should go away. Is still in existence?
Can you do a better job?
Prove it
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Why is this show called amanpour if she never interviews anyone? Not that i care, she was never that good…
No and… no.
I always wondered why I was studying Algebra… Also look at Musk, Zuckerberg and others saying we quiet college.
It teaches problem solving a skill needed in any field and in life.
Musk told you to quit college... Then 5 years later he says you're not qualified for the job so he needs H1B from places where the kids still go to college 😂😂😂 the way you all fell for it would be funny if it wasn't so sad
My electrician says he needs to know algebra to do his job.
@ exactly, just like when they tricked women into working all day and then over time lowered men’s salaries so they doubled their workforce 2 for the price of one.
They sold it to them as equality and freedom 😂.
Of course they did
Parents don't have any say in raising their children!!
What are you talking about?
@@alricthered226 It's a panic bot, slinging specious one-liners to try and cause disruption. 😴
@@nancymcmonarch : "Panic bot.". I like that. Yep, you're probably right.
I love listening to her. She has a beautiful voice.
Hey these women don't realize boys dont like communication!!?
Read the two books, "Raising Boys" and "Raising Girls" by Steve Biddulph, the world-renowned family therapist and parenting author.