I bought the most expensive violin shoulder rest in the WORLD!
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2019
- Yes - I bought the most expensive violin shoulder rest in the WORLD!
I was searching the internet for something entirely different when I stumbled across this!
I couldn't resist not purchasing and having a go for you!
This was the 'Pirastro Shoulder Rest Korfker Cradle'
Below is a good shoulder rest I can personally recommend:
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Before anyone thinks that I'm extravagantly rich (sadly I'm not), I did return this from whence it came, after I filmed this video.
i'd keep the box, it was really cool :)
Ha, ha! That's what I was thinking :D Thanks, this was a very interesting video to watch.
Still an interesting video; I was surprised at the enhanced sound, as you described. The difference was noticable to me from my phone's speakers.
I heard a huge difference! The violin definitely sounds a lot fuller and deeper with the shoulder rest, as opposed to without. Definitely worth it in my opinion if you're a professional and you're comfortable spending a lot of money on your craft
Agreed - Im not sure I would personally buy it however. I dont use shoulder rests, but I was pleasantly surprised by this so I would be very tempted, but not sure it made 'that' much of a different to warrant me spending the money. I would rather buy 5 guitar pedals for my violin, or new strings etc etc.
When that shoulder rest costs more than your own personal violin......😳
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Ikr
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I wonder how much of that price went into the box....
10%
The difference is subtle, but still noticable. It seems to sound a bit more “open” and less choked with the shoulder rest.
I did hear the difference when you played with/without the shoulder rest. With the shoulder rest it did sound like it had more resonance
Agreed.
thank you for this. i am a go for the korfker rest only. because of my high neck. it's the only one i can find suitable.
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I could hear a difference but personally I don't think I will ever use a shoulder rest but, I did hear a difference... But oh my!! That little thing is so expensive!!!!!!😮
Thats why I couldnt resist not having a go!
I can assure you we can hear the difference with our without the shoulder rest. Personally I do prefer the sound with the shoulder rest, the second layer of sound is nice but its about personal taste. Nice video
Yes, i was pleasantly surprised at the difference too.
I agree, i like to call it a richer underpinning to the sound. More depth...undertones....so to speak. The sound is enhanced with the shoulder rest.
This is more expensive than my violin.
Logically a good violin shoulder rest would allow a violin to vibrate/resonate with more freedom. Producing second tones.
Yes and the point here is that none exist (that i know of anyway) except this one.
Hi ! We can definately hear the difference. Even without the pro microphone and from the first note. As soon as you have started I was thinking richest and deepest sound. As you said, it would probably worth the investment for a professional player looking for the best sound possible. I actually think it is kind of a good deal regarding the fact that it would make a violin sound much better without having to purchase a better sounding violin, which would cost way more than an extra 1000 $. The price is still of course super super high for an amator player who only plays the violin as a hobby. But to improve the sound of an already good violin without paying a lot for a better bow or a better violin, it looks very insteresting. I was genuinely surprised that a shoulder rest could modify in any way a violin sound quality, I thought it would be a video about how truly more confortable (or no) it would be to play a violin with it. I guess everything which interacts with the vibration can make a difference. Also, for a professional player, a more confortable shoulder rest can help preventing injuries which is also a very good point if it indeed works (but probably irrelevant for an occasional player). Thank you for your review :-)
Yes I agree - but I wouldn't confuse this with making a cheaper violin sound better for example. I would think it would only work on a nice violin with an already good projection of tone.
I would only purchase this IF you had a decent violin as its more about the tone than it being a shoulder rest - as you said.
@@TheOnlineViolinTutor Right ! So definately more suited for professionnal players in need of having the best sound possible. A professional player will probably already own quite a decent violin and would therefore be able to improve it using this. But given the price, it wouldn't really make any sense to use it with a cheap violin anyway 😉 Still very interesting for someone who wants a good violin to sound like an unaffordable better one.
@@portraitbyelise2309 yeah agreed.
@@TheOnlineViolinTutor Actually, I was wondering if the sound difference could come from those holes (in letting the vibration go through, I guess). I've researched online and found another shoulder rest model, average shape looking but with those same kind of holes all over it, made in plastic mostly and for a regular price, around 20$, called the " Efel shoulder rest violin 4/4 3/4 ". Probably unlikely but it would be great if it gave the same better sound effect as the most expensive one ;-)
I bought the Korfkerest a couple of months ago for £250 (not the version with the cradle) I’d done a lot of research and concluded it was worth trying. The flexibility appealed to me as so many shoulder rests are good but don’t support at the specific points I need them to. A few adjustments with this gave support in specific areas while still feeling free in general. It’s excellent for people who need higher support and once set up comfortably, I was blown away by the sound difference and freedom for playing. If this rest suits your setup, it has the added bonus of feeling almost weightless as if the violin is floating just ready to be played. I appreciate that everyone’s body shape is different so this rest could be a brilliant investment or not at all suitable. personally I consider it the best rest available, but for many of my professional colleges who favour no shoulder rest, this rest would be considered overpriced rubbish. For me personally it’s a godsend!
From your video, on my device, there was huge difference in sound quality when you used the korfkarest. Maybe you weren’t happy with the feeling of it, but it sounded so much freer.
I dont disagree with you and I said in the video that I liked the sound, but I just dont like shoulder rests as they really restrict my playing and I cant move about as much to feel the the music.
This outweighs the shoulder rest for me as its useless having a lovely sound/tone coming from the violin, but then my playing is rather stifled by the very shoulder rest.
I wish that matched my experience. I feel I wasted the $400 on my korkferrest. It just doesn’t fit me right, even after shaping attempts. I’m saving up for the Dolfino system which has more adjustability
Is it made from 24k gold?! What the heck?!
It must be!
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wow, that's incredible! The box is epic though
I dont know much about violin, i play piano+cello, but i love this channel regardless. I normally use my Bose headset to listen to youtube because it’s just better, i could hear a slight difference, its weird that a rest could affect sound, its v. Slight. The price is crazy though 😂 and i agree i wouldn’t want to attach gadgets on my antique cello either. Cool review though!!
Thanks
Price of the shoulder rest: $1.
Price of the box: $1299.
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The packaging alone is 10% of it's value. Many other companies do the same thing, which is a total waste because you're buying the product not the packaging - which ends up in storage or thrown.
The packaging really helps the sound lol.
I have a korfker rest and love it. I can hear a clarity when you play using the shoulder rest. Not having the violin sitting on your shoulder allows the vibrations to come to me while you are not going to have the same feeling while playing. I prefer your sound with the shoulder rest. 😉 Great review and thanks a lot!
I like the box it came in better!
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Sounds like a perfect accessory for my Cecilio CVN300…
I heard the difference for sure. I like it. Personally at the price it wouldn't be for me, even though I have a high quality violin, but I rather like what it brought out in your violin.
I agree.
It’s not ‘necessary’ by any means. I think if you have a 6 figure violin and you use a shoulder rest and like the sound/tone this brings out, then the cost is irrelevant I guess.
For sure, especially for a professional, or a serious hobbiest who has the money to spare. For my level and where I'll ever be, I'm good with my Wolf forte secondo.
Almost sounds like it adds a bit of reverb
That shoulder rest is worth more than my violin lol. That box looks very cool though. As for the sound, the tone does sound a bit different but couldn't I describe it-perhaps it resonates clearer? Also I like the calendar on your wall, but it seems to be set to March?
I filmed this in March, but UA-cam (incorrectly) flagged the Bach Partita I played as copyright, so I couldn't monetise the video and release it until now!
As you are a long time viewer of my channel lol, what sort of videos from me to you enjoy the most - and/or what would you like to see more of?
Any feedback appreciated :)
Dang, UA-cam strikes again haha. As for the videos, I always enjoyed the tutorial ones (techniques, tutorials, and theory). I would suggest something except I think you've covered basically everything over these past 6 years. If I get any ideas I'll let you know :)
Speaking of theory, last time I saw one of your theory vids was two years ago, grade two lol. I should probably catch up on that :)
how many effects do u want on your violin playing
Alison-No
I hear the difference but I would never spend $1000 on a shoulder rest
I would say its the maple wood that's doing the job. I have a Mach One maple shoulder rest and it made me realise how my old FOM (KUN knockoff) dampened my violin sound A LOT. And so I've been sticking to my Mach One and am loving it just because it helped to bring out my violin sound even more :D
Anyway this shoulder rest made it sound like someone gave the violin some echo. Maybe it's the video quality but I dont really quite like it. I agree it sounds fuller but I don't know, I just felt the sound without the rest was much more genuine xD
I definitely heard a difference from my Surface Pro's speakers. I thought your violin sounded louder and richer, brighter. As beautifully as you play, this did seem to enhance the sound of your performance in each recording. maybe it's time to bite the bullet and return to using a shoulder rest (this one.) thanks for all your info.
I have to agree that this shoulder rest added another dimension of sound and colour to your violin, which might atone for the price. I have two instruments both quite old, 1924 and 1783. I have gone back and forth between playing with a shoulder rest and without. I think everyone should try without, even if for a little while as it frees up the shoulder and is challenging for the left hand, and can improve on intonation etc. I think that it's a very personal thing, these shoulder rests, and I have gone through a few, finally settling on the VLM Augustin. It is made of nice maple, very light, and it stays put. Thanks for this video, and I am happy to learn that you returned this one. You may consider reviewing the one that I mentioned, as your students may find it helpful, and it doesn't cost the earth.
When the wood gets to the bones it will resonate better to my ears, just as touching a guitar to a wooden chair when playing you will hear the volume increase
That playing...😄
Super informative, thank you! I have 2 of the korfkerrests, and I love how light and adjustable the are, but I’ve been curious about this cradle contraption... I’m just wondering about one thing: can you easily remove just the rest and put the violin in your case with the cradle attached, or do you have to take everything off? (Obvs depends somewhat on the case, but assuming a standard oblong bobelock or Musafia case). Thanks again!
You will have to take it off and transport it some how.
Ouff with that amount I could probably buy a nice bow that would probably make a difference in sound than any expensive shoulder rest ever would 😂
without shoulder rest your shoulder is blocking the violin’s vibrations. with shoulder rest the the violin‘s body can vibrate freely. Of course it sounds better.
The question is how does this shoulder rest sound different to a cheap one.
regards,
There is no comparison as any other shoulder rest will sound the same as the violin played with no shoulder rest or in this case, my shoulder/body.
This isn’t a shoulder rest in the traditional sense, but a way to elevate the violin in the air away from the body/shoulder or a conventional shoulder rest.
There would be no sound difference if I played without a rest using my shoulder, or with a different rest.
I think this is an interessting idea for a follow up video. I would really love to see it. btw. thank you for your videos. i am 42 and started to learn/play the violin two years ago. your channel is really helping and inspiring. regards, michael
Its a good idea in theory, but it wouldn't be worth it as the outcome would be the same as playing with no rest to any other rest.
The point with this, is that it creates a totally different tone/sound to the violin - not like any other rests out there. This is not a shoulder rest so it cant be compared to one - hence why I didnt.
This purely elevates the violin to create the violins true sound as if it were played in the air with nothing surrounding it.
The result you hear here, is the result you would get even if compared to my violin on my body or a Kun or Wolfe shoulder rest.
...besides, I dot have this anymore as I returned it for a refund. I only purchased to make the video.
A suggestion Alison:
To further help make your point on articulating differences in sound to the audience (and sidestep YT's audio compression), would you be up for leaving links to the uncompressed audio samples in reviews going forward in the description?
That’s a great idea and one I can certainly implement moving forward. Sadly I can’t do anything about this video as the files are long gone, but great suggestion - thank you
You'll have to add it to your instrument insurance lol
Looks like the box is worth more than the rest, haha.
It seems like because it's held away from your shoulder, in a way, your body isn't absorbing as much of the vibration. I could hear a difference even from the first recording.
I always wonder if these uber-expensive gadgets are worth the money.
Thanks for testing and reviewing so we don't have to!
Brilliant content--love your channel!
lol, welcome. It is and it isnt. It is because it DOES do what it says on the tin, but I personally wouldn't buy it as I dont 'need' it.
Allison, I play a 1/2 professional violin ($4000)...what kind if shoulder rest can I get to fit that would be comfortable?.
I have tried the Kun. i(it falls iff all the time and the Bon Musika which seems to sit the violin too high...I have a very short neck and am 4'9" so shoulder width is very narrow. Hence, the shoulder rest needs to be attached right next to the chin rest hardware and wants to fall off on the far side of the violin. Can you please advise? Thanks much.
@@annettenelson3453 Im not really the expert on shoulder rests im afraid as I dont play with them. When I did, I always liked the Wolfe (linked under the video).
I always find these videos insightful, thanks! I do want to buy a better shoulder rest at some stage but not quite that expensive! On a slightly different topic, I've been playing violin for a few months now but I'm having problems with breathing and holding my breath while playing! It's getting very frustrating! Do you have any videos on how to breathe/relax while playing, or techniques/exercises to keep the breath steady? I couldn't seem to find one.
I don’t I’m afraid. You just need to relax and not think about things too much.
@@TheOnlineViolinTutor No worries. Thought I'd ask in case. I'm sure it will get better with time. :D
The Apple packaging engineers must be jealous.
Indeed, 12/10 product packaging.
The package reminded me of the "white album" it's called by record collector of a all white Beatles 33 rpm record . For a thousand dolllars the presentation package is warranted. Preserve it with care
Just like giving a great present to a little kid at Christmas.... they end up playing with the box ~ 🎻 🎻 🎻 (not referring to you Alison) ..... I would play with the box for hours and hours every day.....😎😎
...you didn’t see what happened off camera!!🤔😳😉
@@TheOnlineViolinTutor ~ 😅😅😅😅 ~ you crack me up!! You should post a video! You know what you should do for a video sometime? Jam out a really cool riff on your Violin, and then the same one on your guitar, and then on the Piano. Show people that it's not the instrument, it's the MUSIC! That would be so cool. What could you title it though.......hmmmmmmmm........Is there a link somewhere to take lessons from you online? I can't seem to find anything. I've got tons of Violin questions that just aren't addressed on UA-cam, and when I search online, they are just long-winded arguments......I"m torn between classical playing and low-strung-rosin-film fiddle jammin....not to mention the guitar stuff. It's frustrating!
The shoulder rest definitely sounds better to me.
sounds good
weird flex but ok
What chinrest do you use/ recommend? I currently use Teka (used to use Guarneri) and my teacher thinks that I should change to Wittner although I'd like to think about other options as well. Thank you!
I use a Mulko chin rest as its very thin and comfortable.
The lowest notes seems to be more alive and strong with the shoulder rest by listening it with headphones.
Hi Alison, thanks for the video. Can I ask what’s the piece you’re playing in this video?
Its a Bach Partita in D minor
I can hear the difference, but to me with the shoulder rest it sounds like it adds a very subtle rattle, similar to a loose bass bar, or crack in the top.
I think that must be you as I don't hear that and I didn't hear it when I was editing the recording back.
This seems like a great shoulder rest for a soloist.
This shoulder rest costs more then my violin
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Its a good idea, but I have had it valued and looked at and besides it being an 1850 Mittenwald violin, thats it!
I am sitting in front of my Piano ...like to practicing...
and now i watch all your Violin Videos...i do not play the Violin...
i do not even like the sound of the Violin...
but you are such a fascinating and a very beautiful Person....and professional to..
Yes it's louder
Hi Alison. really nice job!! I wanna play the violin like you!! jeje but first I need to buy one. I know you recommended some new violins on amazon. However, I think that if I can buy a used one on ebay or elsewhere with the same price (around 400 punds is what I want to spend) it should be a better purchase, am I right? If this is the case it's is very hard because there are tons of them with different brands, made by artisans, year of production and the list goes on and I can't find a proper one since I have no clue what to look for, how could I solve my dilemma? what should I look for? thanks in advance! and thanks again for your work!!
Its not about what to look for, ubt what it sounds like. Thats why you should never buy a violin online blind. You cant purchase a violin like you can a car when its got this and that and made of this and that, as its all about the sound. Your need to go to a reputable dealer or brand like the Fiddlerman.
Does the human body act as a damper? Could this rest in particular be negating that, if so?
Its not that clear how this works as it patented, but the design and way it attaches negates that.
Mam I have violin competition by august end I beg u to plz make a tutorial on how to play spectre music .its my humble request plz plz
Thanks for the answer... also..
Do you have class about scales
Like A minor, D major etc...
They are covered in my lessons 11-20
I could definitely hear the difference. I will agree that it add an additional layer to the sound. Very nice.
Hello, whats better??
432 HZ violin tune or 440 HZ violin tune??
Plus... There are differences of course... but does it affect the person playing? Or the instrument?
There is lots of info on this online as its a very in depth subject.
Lmao @ Catyyyy......!
Personally, I don't use violin rests, or bows for that matter, but great review, A! 😁
I checked it out now and now it's around 320$ around 264 GBP
The cradle (which she is testing) is $1,200. The basic shoulder rest of the same brand is about $350.
Comford cradle is cheaper but very comfy and stable ...but nowhere to find anymore..☹️
I don't see the correlation between having something rubber clamped onto the ribs of the violin and the sound being enhanced, it's not part of the violin, it's not vibrating, how can it make the sound richer?
I don’t either, but it did! I wouldn’t buy it though for that price as I’m not desperate to increase my sound by like 3% for all that money!
@@TheOnlineViolinTutor Actually, it is a fairly simple geometry. If you are not using a shoulder rest, then the back plate of the violin is pressed into your body. This keeps it from vibrating freely. If you can find a way to hold the violin comfortably, and allow the back plate to vibrate fully, you are going to significantly enhance the sound of the instrument.
@@PracticalZenBuddhism True, but wouldn't any generic shoulder rest achieve the same. They lift the violin so that the vibrating back plate doesn't touch anything. And the feet are fixed to the relatively non vibrating edge of the plate.
That being said this particular rest seems to be fixed very close to the lower corner blocks, which I assume would be the least vibrating parts of the plate.
Thanks Teacher Alison for this guideline and you spend your money for good kind of music gadget , it help us definitely , i appreciate your love with music and your great love to educate the violin and other musical instrument such as we can see your singing , your guitar playing and piano and violin as well , its a multi talent and really really great respect just because you. our teacher i salute you , but don't forget your beautiful Green eyes make me fallen in love with you , my teacher LOVE u LOVE u LOve U
Could straight away hear a difference once you put the shoulder rest on..
I would like to see a harness worn by the player where the violin can be attached to the harness the Viper electric violin introduced the harness idea For a thousand dollars I would think that is in the price range of custom fitting were the actual resting slat or bar would be fitted to collar bone pectoral area. Leave the shoulder out of it
But yea if a professional has the money they I have my permission to buy without me snickering behind their back
I would like to see violins fitted to the player. The idea that violinist must accept a 17 century design is dated in the light of accepted , marketable electric violins. Like for instance the scroll is not needed. Or the back of the violin needn't be contured . The back could be made with more depth to fit the player in lew of shoulder rests. The neck on the bottom side, the curved side doesn't make sense to me more flat sided like a hexagon would make more sense so the left thumb can steady itself more securely when the fingers are on the G string..
The thumbnail is right. "Wtf" indeed. That's too much for a shoulder rest even if it is the best.
It is more expensive than my violin and my viola combined.
Its not the most expensive shoulder rest for violin. I will sell you my one for £50,000, more expensive than any other :) for now.
Should have compared it to a regular priced shoulder rest.
And yup I hear the underlying tone you are talking about.
No, because this is not a shoulder rest as I mentioned in the video. Its more of a sound enhancing device than a shoulder rest. There wouldn't have been any point comparing it to anything else as nothing else like it exists.
Ha ha...most of the money goes to the box designer.
Yes it's an elegant package and attractive contraption . Kudos go to the company that can sell a product with such a profit margin
I bought it just for the box, I threw away the shoulder rest.
Bach Chaconne?
Allemande
It's great, I just think it's too much...
Alison is a gf goals .
If it’s “sponsored “, it is no longer a review. That would make it biased!
Lucky this is not sponsored then. I spent my own money buying this for the video, then I returned it!
it does NOTHING to help intonation, eh?
Nope. Sadly :(
I think the word you want to describe the difference is that rest is it is allowing your violin to Breath. Personally I think that's a lot of accessory to carry around and definitely won't fit into any violin case. Thumbs down on the rest!
yooo what?
Thats what I said!
I want the shoulder rest that Hilary Hahn has when playing Sibelius 2nd movement that just came out. I wouldn’t buy an expensive gimmick. Less is better. I like taking violin out of case, tune up, rosin bow, PLAY without added accessories. No shoulder rest!
I agree this is expensive, it is far from a gimmick!
It’s not a shoulder rest, but it’s supposed to elevate the violin in the air so to speak to allow the wood to resonate to its true tone.
Nothing else exists as far as I’m aware.
I couldn’t justify for myself personally despite the huge difference it gave me as I don’t do enough solo classical performances to warrant it, but it was interesting none the less.
The Online Piano & Violin Tutor Thank you for the additional info. I did not know it elevated the violin. I read about this when it first came out, but that was a long time ago. I feel that the maker is laughing all the way to the bank for those purchasing his product. I was concerned if it fit in the case, or an on, off thing. I also make violins, and feel the beauty of its tone is how it rests on the collar bone. I have dozens of different shoulder rests, and when one slipped off, my precious Gagliano fell with it! So, it wasn’t much for support. I figure, someone else will come out with another fancy shoulder rest until the reviews come in, and the hype is worn off. Of all my shoulder rests, a boat sponge is my fav. Whoops, I do like Wolf. LOL I liked the music you played with and without it. Maybe a tiny bit of a difference in its favor. Thanks for sharing this!
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I think it's a marketing ploy, make something ridiculously expensive and create exclusivity, then people will buy it as a status symbol.
Possibly, but there was some noticeable difference with the sound of my violin when using this - which did surprise me.
Not enough however to warrant the price tag.
1st
Back to the pitts of the factory from whence you came foul violin contraption.