Feminist Movement - Part 1 - Fears and Possibilities, Aurat March - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2021
- Feminist Movement, Fears and Possibilities - Javed Ahmad Ghamidi
Aurat March Pakistan, Mera Jism Meri Marzi
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Halfway through this video and I'm already blown away! Ustaz is a gem for the world 💎 Masha Allah
One line summary:
"Jazbaat pay Aqal aur ilm ki hakumat "
The most appropriate and rational view on this topic..
غامدی صاحب نہ صرف ایک مفکر اسلام ہیں، بلکہ معاشرتی علوم کے بھی عظیم عالم ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔
What a brilliant and balanced critique on feminism ; without ant any partiality or prejudice. His wisdom and knowledge are assets to the entire muslim ummah. May Allah bless ghamidi sahib. Ameen
I am not the Follower of Ghamdi Sahib
But i advice to people ,
Kindly listen this person neutrally , & i am sure you will learn in a different angle ,
اختلاف رکھو ، لیکن نفرت مت پالو۔۔ ۔۔ ۔۔
کسی کا ہمارے نظریات سے مختلف ہونا ایک علیحدا زاویے سے تصویر کو دیکھنا جرم نہیں ہو سکتا۔
پہلے خود سیکھیں پھر نقص نکالیں ، لیکن تحمل سے ، دلائل سے تعلیمی بنیاد پر۔
Right
Sir blkl theek Kaha ..humaray han log taqleed aur aqeedat main amooman andhay ho jatay Hain ... Mujhay ye maloon hai k communication and ones character can change an era ...
@@abdullahasad8751 true students of ghamidi sb are not his followers
ماشاءاللہ بہت متوازن تاثرات۔ شکریہ نیک خواہشات آپ کے لئے ☝️
Behtareen guftago hui. Ustad Ghmidi aur hasan bhai shukriya.
بہت ہی زبردست
انتہائ پُر مغز سوال جواب.
Great discussion; however, I had hoped that Ghamidhi sahab could have elaborated on the patriarchal mindset in the background of which Islamic/Muslim feminine discourse generated and still practiced in our societies.
Every society is a living society if there are voices of dissent within the bounds of its public space otherwise it may as well be declared dead.
I may not be a proponent of many slogans Pakistani Aurat movement identify itself but the objectives of the movement in the current climate of increasingly salafi hanafism in Pakistan, cannot be ignored; in fact, the voices of these Pakistani women should be heard and supported by every individual who wants his or her daughter or sister to be a valuable member of a society.
very interesting reply...what I personally dislike about aurat march is that obviously its audience are not men since by just shouting and uttering foul words against men who do violence isnt goign to convince them....I dislike the rebelion narrative that they promote that women should rebel against men rather then moving along together....however I fear you may disagree with me judging by the vocab you have used "patriarchal mindset"...most of times people believe what their teachers told them to be right in my humble opinion rather than having hatred of women...
but gotta admit you do seem like an arts student or atleast someone who has read some amount of feminist literature judging by your choice of words "Discourse" so ya cant argue with u but that doesnt mean im wrong or right
One thing I find scary about pakistani "feminists" is that they mostly argue based on rational discourse....people have started to become confused about what is right and what is wrong because we have stopped using religion to derive moral values. I mean by simply accepting foreign words as ultimate truth and taking them uncritically (eg:consent...its wrong to do zulm but that doesnt mean that *** with consent is okay betweeen unmarried people ) result will be people will soon start doing a lot of haram acts...(yes there are lots of bad men) (today when viewers tell celebs we dont want to see bikinis ...response is men are misogynists and women will wear what thay want...sure we cant stop people by force but this rebeliousness is making things an issue of ego)
Respected sister, you're pointing to just one of the problems ( patriarchal ) faced by the females. I can point to 10s of other issues as well.
But if you would've noticed, Ghamidi sb, while recognizing the inequalities/issues with the females, didn't delve into discussing the individual issues. Rather he tried to explain the outcomes/problems of running movements and campaigns. He tried to explain the after effects of " isms " by giving the example of Marxism and it's adversarial outcomes in society. He suggested how the issues should be worked on and resolved peacefully in general instead of pointing to specific issues.
If you try to google, you can find his discussions on specific issues like the rights/status of the wife, practice of "veil/scarf", share of women in legacy etc.
Still if you don't find the answer of your specific question, you can post that question to Ghamidi Center Of Islamic Learning site or Al-Mawrid questions/answer service.
@@muhammadkamrankhan7163 sir ironically most of the problems faced by men are created by men themselves.. Many women in our country live in slavery of men where they have no control of their own lives. We aren't competing with each other that who has more miserable life. We should solve all problems.
Nd to tackle feminism men will have to recognize that in our society many men still believe k "aurat to pair ki joti hti h".
Buht bahtareen⚘
So very pertinent to the discourse all around us.
This is no doubt only way of dealing with challenges. Jazak Allah Khair.
بہت عمدہ..!!! 🤍🤍
بہت خوب صورت بات کی جناب غامدی صاحب نے۔ تاریخ کے انتہای relevant حوالوں کے ساتھ۔
غامدی صاحب نے مسئلہ کی کی تہ تک پہنچ کر غیر جذباتی انداز میں علمی طریقہ سے بات سمجھائی ہے
A living legend
Subhaan Allah, kia baat hai. Is sy acha tbsra ho hi nahi skta. Jazak Allah
Psychological education and understanding is the need of modern Era.
Ghamidi sahab bohot pyare hen
aie allah ghamidi sahab ki umr lambi karna
Very good knowledge 👍 thanks love for Ghamidi Sahib....
Thanks for English subtitles
Awesome ghamidi sahab .........always right always give solution after Addressing the problems
عورتوں کے معاملے میں مردوں کو ایجوکیٹ کرنے کی ضرورت ہے جو عورتوں کو کمتر مخلوق سمجھتے ہیں ان پر ظلم زیادتی کرتے ہیں خود نظریں نہیں جھکاتے عورتوں کو برقعہ پہناتے ہیں۔جو گرم موسم میں پہننا انتہائی مشکل ہوتا ہے
@QNA Islamic Message تم ننگی گومو کس نے روکا ہے
Love u sir. Buht clarity k sath is smaj agai.
JazakAllah khair...
Respected Ghamidi Sb always gives us the solution while addressing the problems.
Intelligent analysis with mature solution 👍🏼
It has become a fashion to have all these beautifully decorated books in the background to show your vastness of مطالعہ.
All the modern day scholars like Hassan Nisar, Javed Ahmad Al Ghamidi, etc have a very good collection of books.
Bro, may be you have recently been introduced to people of knowledge. Personal libraries have always been there with ulema and scholars.
Good to follow the good tradition and be knowledgeable
Who says hassan nisar is a scholar?
Hassan Nisar is not an Islamic scholar
Man of wisdom alhmdulilah alhmdulilah thanks to Him that i can listen to you ghamdi sir
نہایت متوازن گفتگو ہوئی
great discussion by Ghamidi sahab. I think he should go on mainstream pakistani media and put forward his point
We need Ghamdi Saab view on Karl Marx
He is Really A Great Muslim Scholor Honor For Muslims if they want to follow Real islam not Fake islam Unfortunatelly Fakers are Pretending As a Role Model of islam .
Yes.... Indeed
He criticizes Marxism as a theory of the utopian world. Such world is impossible where everyone can occupy an equal socio-economic status.
Love From Kashmir 🐈
اعلیٰ 💓
حسن بھائی آپ سے ایک گزارش کرنی ہے. آپ وہ چند مطالبات جو خواتین چاہتی ہیں کہ پورے ہوں وہ ایک ایک کر غامدی صاحب کے سامنے رکھیے اور وہ ہماری رہنمائی فرمائے کہ قران اُن مطالبات کو کس نظر سے دیکھتا ہے ۔ مثلاً خواتین چاہتی ہیں کہ اُنہے جاب کرنے کی آزادی دی جائے ۔ میں جانتی ہوں کے قران نے منع نہیں کیا اِس حوالے سے لیکن میں نے comment پڑھا جس میں وہ شخص کہ رہا تھا کہ حضرت خدیجہ نے شادی کے بعد اپنا کاروبار ختم کر دیا تھا ۔کہنا وہ یہ چاہ رہا تھا کہ حضرت خدیجہ نے اِسلام کے انے کے بعد "عورت کی بہترین جگہ گھر ہے" پر عمل کرتے ہوئے اپنے آپ کو گھر کی حد تک محدود کر دیا تھا اور اپنی جاب یا کاروبار یا کام بند کر دیا تھا ۔ اسی طرح کے معاملات پر رہنمائی فرما دیجیے ۔ شکریہ ！
Islam has no restrictions on women earning money or going out of their homes.
یہ ہمارے جاہل جنونی متشدد ع عصر حاضر کے تقاضوں سے ناآشنا مولوی و معلم نے باتوں اور تاریخ کو ٹوسٹ کیا ہے۔ خواتین کو معاشی عمل میں شامل ہونے ترقی کرنے سے ہرگز نہیں روکا گیا۔ مردوزن گاڑی کے دو ہہیے ہیں۔ موجودگی حالات میں اپنی باون فیصد ابادی کو گھر بٹھا کر صرف بچے پیدا کرنے والی پراڈکٹ بنا کر گلوبل ویلج میں آپ زندہ نہیں رہ سکتے۔
غامدی صاحب اپنے کئی پروگراموں میں اس کا جواب دے چکے ہیں کہ شادی سے پہلے عورت ایک عہد نامہ لکھوالے جس میں اپنے مطالبات اور شرائط رکھ دے تاکہ شادی کے بعد مرد کوئی عزر آپ کے خلاف پیش نہ کر سکے میں تو ایک مرد ہوں لیکن خوش نصیب ہوتا میں اگر رب نے مجھے عورت بنایا ہوتا اور میں گھر میں آرام سے رہتا مجھے مشقت کرنے کی ضرورت نہ پڑتی مرد کماکے لاتا اور میں عیش کرتا رات بھر شوہر سے مزے بھی لیتے اور بچوں کو خوب اچھی تربیت دیتی اللّٰہ کا شکر ادا کرتی دنیا بھی سنورتی آخرت بھی بنتی اور عورتوں کے لیے نمونہ بنتی عورتوں کو بتاتی کہ شوہر کے ساتھ زندگی کیسے خوش گوار بنائی جاتی ہے
Hazrat Khadija ki zindagi k bare mei itne maloomat nhi hn k yeh haqiqi tor pr btaya ja ske. Hazrat Khadija ne agr aisa kia bhi to apni khushi se kia.
Dosra us zamane mei ghar chlana bht mushkil hta tha iss lie aaj k zamane k muwazna us dor se krna bht ghlat hoga.
Ur agr aurat k karobar krna Allah ko napsand hta to wo kbhi sari duniya ki aurton ko chor k Hazrat Khadija jo k self made business woman thi.. Un k intakhab na krte hmare Rasool k sath 25 saala rafaqat k lie.
Good of knowledeg
Good way of knowledge
he is the best scholer.. i never understood the religion like this before him.. may Allah grant him good health n long life..
MashAllah
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Excellent
Alhumduillah
Mashallah bohut fikree aitdaal say explain kia hei
Well said,
Allah bless you:)
This video should be merged with its second response from next week to avoid confusion
I've read in a book written by Mufti Faisal Japanwala on Ghamdi Sahib in which he claimed that Faiz Ahmed Faiz were among the teachers of Ghamdi sahib. Hassan bhai can you please ask Ghamdi sahib to recollect his memories of Faiz's life and make a video of it?
Very smart and intelligent and I hope men are more willing for me for a change
Subhan allah
Once a philosopher always a philosopher (GHAMIDI 💎) very comprehensive answer!!!!
O bhaiii, philosospher nai hai, scholar hai. Stay away from philosophers.
❤
Mashallah Mashallah
Ameen
Javed Ahmad Ghamidi 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
غامدی صاحب کو سننے سے پہلے بھی یہی نظریہ تھا میرا۔
☺️❤️
We humans are already so divided into religion, sects and nationality. We don't need another 'ism' to divide us more.
Ustaz is a true gem
Kitna khush nasib samjhunga apne aap ko agr mujhe zindgi me ru bru bethne ka mouqa mile Ghamidi sahab k sth
Balance is the need of society.when there is no balance, then there comes extreme views resultantly creating divisions in society.Ghamdi sb elaborated the sentiment in it's true picture
میں آپ کی ویڈیو باقاعدگی سے دیکھتا ہوں۔
Source for the quotation of Hazrat Ali @04:56
It is quite famous; it is there in almost every scholarly discourse on battle of Siffin
نہج البلاغہ
Yeah we should avoid extremism of both ends. there are problems exits and we've to unbiase about it
Next topic: minorities suffering in Pakistan (ik any minority suffers anywhere but uk focus on ours for once)
Minorities are more suffering in India, rather in grave danger. Correction is required seriously
His Organization is not on Politics but we Can Aware People
@@muhammadzafarrafique6652 iss k mtlb yeh nhi k Allah ne hum se hisab nhi lena
@@muhammadzafarrafique6652 what are you on about that they’re suffering? Minorities (in your world view, that’s only the Muslims) are going about chopping off the heads of people belonging to the majority!!! That’s how much they’re suffering!! Lol 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
First, not many minorities are left in pakistan (why don’t you try to understand what happened to them). And for those that remain, Why doesn’t a minority try that in pakistan of chopping somebodies head off and see what the reaction would be.
The other test is: ask any minority in India to move to pakistan (even Kashmiri) and they’ll give a horrified and clear NO THANKS!
Whereas there have been many many many famous and non famous Muslims from paksitan who have moved to India over the years.
Accept that Pakistani civil society has become rotten to the core based on their false religiosity.
Kisi se mehrum ni. Deen Mohammad s.a.w se mehrum hain
نقار خانے میں طوطی کی آواز ...
فکرِ فردا نہ کروں، محو غمِ دوش رہوں
نالے بُلبل کے سنوں اور ہمہ تن گوش رہوں
ہم نوا! میں بھی کوئی گُل ہوں کہ خاموش رہوں
Please Quran our Hades ki roshni my question Ka jaawab Dy .. apni intellectual abilities ko Quran and Hades sy jory ...
Who gonna change this system ? Pakistani society or Pakistani government or any other like establishment......?
Sir please history per lecture dain
Ghamdi sahab ap bat ko khul kar or asan andaza me beyan kia kare please mjhe mazarat ke sath kehna pare ga apne bat ko us taraha beyan nhi kia jis taraha beyan karne ka haw hai
19:55
I don’t deserve it but I would love to have Hassan bhais job and just ask proving questions of Ghamidi sir. 🥰
4:55
In short : Stay away from all kind of isms - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi :)
17:26 qeemat bohat deni partee hai aap ki is baat ka rad Nabi Pak S.A.W ki jangon sy ho jata hai hum ny qurbani dee tab islam ko fateh huee, Facism ko khatm krny k liye Europe ny qurbani dee tab ja k wahan Aman aya hai ab bata dayn 70 saal sy aik idara hukmran hai Balochistan nahi sambhla insy ab kia krn revilution aye ga tabhi kuch hoga na
فیمینزم سے زیادہ آپ نے اور ازموں پر بات کی
فیمینزم یورپی امریکی تحریک ھے جو قرآنی اصول الرجال قوامون علی النساء کے خلاف کام کرتی ھے
Ghamdi sir is talking more about communism than feminism
2:41 c...
20:03 c...
He is right that women should be empowered and should have equal rights. Having said that the movement of ‘my body my choice’ is totally based on rights of abortion in marriage or extra matrimonial. In our society there is no concept or legality of pregnancy outside marriage, hence it would only apply right of abortion in marriage. It is very controversial subject considering Islamic tenets.
it is not based on the rights of abortion in Muslim countries. They have totally different demands like right of equal education, equal career opportunities, stopping rape culture etc and many more but not abortion.
@@ScienceadobyDrEishal Finally someone corrected this stupid person or else mens would have misunderstand us womens again and start become our enemies coz of the weird feminist concept made by those insufferable women's.
Being a woman when I heard this statement for the first time I thought it means it is against men who harass women. Nd try to grope them in buses.
Mgar ap mard hn aap ko kisi aurat ki taqleef k andaza kiun hoga
i am totally in favour of feminism .. although Moulvi type ke log conservative log iss cheze ki oppose krein ge ..
But Religion have Very Important step Without Religious Aceptance i dont see much Eurpeon Christian adopt Moderan things after Forcelly Cut Religion in Politics this thing called Libralism
People here even not Aware what Libralism is its not much easy bro things are going to be same until we approch wrong Beliefs of islam and spread truth.
Plzzzz can u tell me what he said .
Did he appose feminism .
I watched the full vedio but I did not understood. It's not a sarcasm , I'm actually asking what he said.
Pretty bad take on the topic ghamdi sahib. When slavery was beings abolished, it was indeed a reaction to years of oppression. Do you suggest that abolishment of slavery was possible with the movement that lead into it? There were no movement for abolishment of slavery in arab world and that’s why until 1962 slavery was still allowed in Saudi Arabia and until now there is informal slavery present in that region.
You also equated feminism with communism which is an absurd comparison.
Since are so against any kind of ism, it would Hypocritical not to be against the dogma that is Islam. But you seem view every issue with the glasses of Islam
Well done
your understanding of Urdu is desperately weak. so better to keep silence... or else I will laugh ...
He compared feminisms with communism because both of the movements were the reaction of oppression.
Yeh bhi aik fitnah hai aaj Kay dor ka
24:37 v
اس دلیل کے مطابق تو دنیا کے سبھی مذاہب بھی ردعمل ہی کہلائیں گے۔
Ghamdi has no understood the feminist movement at all. In whole video he kept trying to equate feminism with other fascists ideologies without giving a single point of feminism which is unjustified.
Aap dimagh khol ke suno.
podcast...ja Bhai soo ja😀 tu yahaan kuin aaya
In the first 5 minutes he clearly said his point of view that he didn't support any type of "ism" like socialism,communism and feminism.
Ghamdi sahab app Masail ka Hal zameeni Haqaik ke tanazir main nahi dete. Mujhe lagta hai ke jo apke dill mean hai woh app keh nahi pate. Ab to Pakistan se bahar hain bohat kuch keh skate hain. Yeh mulla molvi app ka kuch nahin bigar skate.
Either I can't understand or first video that can't convince me
go back to them who took you.
Investment in a good quality mic will be appreciated.
خدارا کہ اس بیان کوخوب عام کیاجائے بہنیں ٹھنڈے دل دماغ سے سنیں غورکریں خاندان معاشرےکو بچائیں!
پرمغز علم و حکمت تشفی قلوب
Ghamidi bhai be precise avoid irrelevant examples. Your comparison with irrelevant topics make you to distract from main topic. I have seen your multiple videos only 10 % content is useful and 90% is trash.
سوشل میڈیا سے زیادہ مسجد کو آباد کرنا ضروری ہے
ماشااللہ۔ مسجدیں بہت آباد ہیں، معاملات حقوق العباد اور اعلئ اخلاقی اقدار آباد کرنے کی ضرورت ہے ۔
بھائیو مسجد سے تعلق قائم رکھو
اللّٰہ کی رسی کو مضبوطی سے تھام لو
فإذا فرغت فنصب و إلى ربك فرغب
جب اپنے کام سے فارغ ہو جاؤ تو اپنے رب کی عبادت کرنے میں لگ جاؤ
بھائ عبادت کا مفہوم بڑے وسیع معنوں میں استعمال ہوتا ہے۔ یہ نہیں کہ لوٹا مصلح لیکر بیٹھ جاے۔۔ اپنے معاملات درست رکھنا ، غض بصر ، میانہ روی رزق حلال اور حسن سلوک و ایثار و خدمت انسانی وغیرہ ، یہ سب بھی اصل عبادات ہیں جنکا شمار ہر ہر قدم پر نیکیوں میں ہوتا یے۔
Ghamidi sahb Is looking weak.
😟
Marxsm is different than lenninism ,u cannot say that karl marx theory is wrong coz lennin did not implement the real marxism
جہا،ں اک گھر ہو وہان کیسا ما حول ہو وہ با ہمی رضا مندی ہو اس میں عو رت مارچ کیا کر لے گی نعرے نہیں سمجھ چا ہیے عورت ساس ہو تو بہو سے کیا چا ہے کیا وہ اپنی عقل سے کرے گی یا نعروں سے ؟
Has Ghamidi Sahib read feminist theory??? Feminist theory is NOT extreme, at all. It studies the condition of the entire society, asingle household, it includes all humans, not just women. I'm surprised that Ghamidi Sahib hasn't read feminist theory!!!
I repeat feminist theory is Not Extreme
He didn't say that the theory is extreme. He is saying that the emotions arising from any -ism tends to be extreme. And you can clearly see that in our society and world in general. Not everyonr is going to read Feminism in depth, rather they will only be reacting and hence, letting their emotions get the best of them. That's why he is saying, we shld let intelligent conversations follow and lead the way out of this problem instead of letting our raw emotions destroy this opportunity
Oh,you sound like you have read a lot about feminism.So tell me,what strand of feminism do you adhere to?
Only a woman should be the one talking about feminism. A men would never know.
Javed Ahmed Ghamidi says that there should be no ism. Peoples' attention should be brought to the matter. So what else is feminism? We are trying to bring peoples' attention on to it. You are all about peace, peace and peace. No change can take place without suffering. Men's peace is destroyed. That's what bothers you. Its only until you stop with this "I am the boss" nonsense. But we, women have been suffering our entire lives. If you want peace simply surrender and don't act like you're the boss of us. It's not our responsibility to make you bread and find your socks. We do you a favor and you make it our responsibility. Then you say we destroy relationships. If you had a slightest of brains you'd know that we act as slaves to please you and to strengthen our relationships. When it comes to discussion with the family, you men threaten us in every possible way. And we are taunted and mocked at. So as I wrote before, only a woman should be discussing feminism on TV shows because a men will only encourage another man's hierocracy.
He is a religious scholar and whatever is says he speaks with glasses of religion. And he is against oppression of women. One thing you need to know that there is now compulsion in religion(ISLAM) and following religion means you have to submit your soul to God. You can leave religion and can live however you want, do what ever you want.
And every can speak on any topic who made the rules that men should not talk on feminism ?
شوہر بیوی کا معاملہ بڑا تشویش ناک ہوتا جارہا ہے لیکن بہرحال شوہر کو ہی سوجھ بوجھ اور صبرو استقلال سے اس رشتوں کو لے کر منزل تک پہنچنا ہوگا بیوی سے حجت کرنے کا مطلب ہے اپنی لائف کو جہنم بنانا
عورت واقعی ناشکری ہوتی ہے اللّٰہ کےلئے مرد کو ہی صبر کر لینا چاہیئے اسی میں بھلائی ہے
عورت صبر و شکر اور برداشت و حوصلہ کا پیکر ہے، پیدایش سے لیکر قبر میں جانے تک قربانی و ایثار و احسان مرد ہر کرتی یے۔ ماں کے پاؤں تلے جنت کیوں رکھی ہے ؟ حیرت ہے آپ نے انہیں ناشکری کہ دیا ! رجوع جریں۔
21:33
بھائیو مسجد سے تعلق قائم رکھو
اللّٰہ کی رسی کو مضبوطی سے تھام لو
فإذا فرغت فنصب و إلى ربك فرغب
جب اپنے کام سے فارغ ہو جاؤ تو اپنے رب کی عبادت کرنے میں لگ جاؤ
17:49