Dragon Age: Inquisition - Fiona about Alistair, Maric and her past
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So in addition to being a bastard Ali-bears mother is also a Orlesian Elf Mage, the holy trinity of discrimination.
spikegilfer1997 one wonders what would happen if the secret is revealed?
There would be outrage and possibly another civil war.
@@darthportus Thats a possibility, but seeing as Alistair is a Hero-King of the 5th Blight I doubt this from his people. I think its more than likely that Ferelden would lose credibility with just about every surrounding nation near it. Orlais might even try to invade AGAIN just because how disgusted they would be with getting this news.
It honestly probably wouldn't cause much of a reaction, he wasn't raised by Fiona nor did he even know that she was his mother and elf-blooded people are almost always completely human in appearance (like Alistair). Her being the first enchanter and leader of the rebellion would probably piss people off though and considering that Alistair (if made king) gave refuge to the mages, his political adversaries may view it as sympathizing with his mother and being an enabler of rebellion but her being an Orlesian elf mage overall wouldn't be too big of a deal for a guy who already believed he was born to a peasant human mother (which really isn't much better than an elf woman going by social stigma) and ended saving the world and is now King of Ferelden.
@@TheCorrodedMan Alistair is well loved by the people. The nobles would have to pull some serious weight to bring him down. I think they would rather attack him from the heir side, seeing as (regardless of how he may have probably broken up with the Warden) there is never a mention of him having a kid.
I feel for her. I truly do. Never being able to see your son, raise your son...and have him think some random woman was his mother who "died". And then be banished by your son, who has NO IDEA that you are his mother. It's painful
After betraying his kindness.
@@SeventhheavenDK She didn't though. She had no control over it.
@@antonioscafuri756 At least Kieran knows who Alistair is because Morrigan isn't THAT heartless.
@@nichoudha Then Fiona must be stupid enough to talk with Alexius in the first place. She did betray his kindness. If she trusts her son (or Anora on extent)'s judgment, she should have recognized that the templars can't do anything in Ferelden soil. Ferelden, despite being Andrastrian, is at odds with the Chantry (you saw Alistair's irreverence against Meredith back at DAII and some of his conversations back at DAO in regards to the Chantry). Why you ask? Because the Chantry is an Orlesian handiwork and they probably supported Orlesian occupation of Ferelden an age ago. It is apparent to Alistair who is a critic to that institution. Whether you like it or not, Fiona betrayed the Ferelden monarch's kindness.
@@TheSlammurai Kieran is my wardens son not alistairs
This is why I find Fiona so tragic. She was a slave, cast out by her warden comrades, locked in one of the circles of magi, and then forced to give up her greatest dream of freeing her fellow mages by Alistair, the son who doesn't even know she's his mother.
Don't forget that she wasn't just a slave - she was a sex slave. And she was a child when this happened!
''Forced to give up her dream by Alistair '' ? She was taking his kind invitation of helping the mages and literally turned them over to Alexius , a tevinter mage ! I don't care about the time-travel magic and alll that stuff. She let her mages become Tevinter puppets in ALISTAIR's kingdom willingly. If anything, she should be ashamed of what she has done or tell Alistair the truth about their relation. He deserves that at least.
She can't. Half-elves of noble blood have no claim to the titles of their human parents. She has to keep it a secret for his sake
Okay, now i'm REALLY glad I picked the mages(and DIDN'T conscript them). Poor Fiona
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Pilchowski01 If she told him it wouldn't be like they'd tell the entirety of Thedas. Hell, she's the Grand Enchanter and friend of Maric's, it's not like anyone would be surprised if they talked every now and then
So she is Alistair's mother eh? That makes our man elf-bloodied. Oh, if the nobility found out they would be kicking themselves
That's why Eamon and Marric spun the story about the servant-mother. I mean if it isn't bad enough to be a bastard add to it to be a half-blood.
JohnfuckingSnow Everything about Fiona is what Fereldens hate, lol. Not just an elf, not just a mage, but an Orlesian to boot!
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Well yeah, and still her son is their King. The Maker has a little bit of irony after all.... :D
At least Maric didnt cheat on Rowan during the marriage.
The Rockingbird . well.. its complicated.. Rowan and Loghain cheated somehow on Maric and Katriel.. it was a double cheat.. and after Rowans dead.. Maric was still into Elfes...
and remember... ser michael is a eld-bloodied too.. and made it to the champion of celene..
Before reading The Calling & Asunder:
Ah so this is Alistair's mom? Oh, cool...
After reading The Calling & Asunder:
*gross sobbing* Fiona deserved more screen-time! She is awesome! Bioware why??
Just finish the Calling. Now I know what book to read next. Thanks.
I loved all three of the books of David Gaiders. Wish he'd write more. I know it's cuz he's not with them anymore but still
I just need Fiona and Alistair to reunite so I can ugly sob into my keyboard okay
A bastard child that has the has dragon, elf and magic in his blood. That's a lot of shit in one person. Dunno of lucky or bad luck
What's Fiona's take on grey warden Alistair?
Dragon, elf, magic and darkspawn taint. Impressive.
One might wonder if there is any room for Human blood
oh yeah, forgot the base components. human and taint.
Dragon Age equivalent of Kurosaki Ichigo lol.
I love how DA Inquisition is using the whole cannon. I have read all the books and delight in seeing each little piece play out in some way.
where can you get the books? And i don't mean to ask for spoilers but how does the canon story-line go? I let my Warden die in my Origin play-through but according to Morrigan in this game he is still alive.
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By the default world state the Warden was a female dalish elf, who sacrificed herself, Alistair became King and Hawke sided with the mages as a mage.
JohnfuckingSnow this is in default? As in no continue save from Origins to 2 to Inquisition depending on your choices chosen from past games.
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Yup, these are the default versions of the main choices from the previous games. Kinda like Bioware's "original canon". Even the books follow this version.
JohnfuckingSnow i don't know that's where i'm confused. Some people say in canon the Warden was a female elf who died in Origins while in this game Moriggan says HER warden is still alive and on an adventure too (which means the child's father clearly isn't Alistair or Zevran) so a random plot hole perhaps.
My heart breaks for Fiona. After reading 'The Calling', I was completely convinced that the baby given to Maric was Alistair. For some time there was quite the debate -- many, if not most- people believed that baby was a third child of Maric's. I held fast to my belief, and am glad to see it was correct. Haven't finished the game, yet, but I'm crossing my fingers that Alistair discovers his true heritage.
That debate always baffled me lol. A prequel book that comes out right before Origins that ends with King Maric being given another son and then we find out a major twist in Origins that our first major companion is the bastard son of King Maric lol. Hell Duncan recruits Alistair into the Grey Wardens. Duncan at the end of the Calling specifically says he'll watch over the baby. It was very obvious that the baby was intended to be Alistair. I'm glad to see you knew as well as I did the truth of that baby
Anyone else wish we could switch out Vivienne for Fiona, she's a much more interesting character and the interactions with other characters would've been awesome.
Yeah, I wish that too. That would have been great in fact. She's always been an interesting character. Vivienne on the other had was awful....
I actually find Vivienne to be interesting as well, she certainly has one of the best entrances. Now, don't get me wrong I normally piss her off because I disagree with her idea that dismal little mage prisons need to be reinstituted. Maybe they should have had a choice. If you went for the Templars, you got Vivienne and if you went for the mages, you got Fiona :)
Edit: changed "dingy" to "dismal" cause I forgot the quote from Dorian at first
As much as I disliked Vivienne, I liked that there was a character that explored that part. It's also notable that Sera and Vivienne are the two most criticized characters in the party and it's largely, IMO, because Bioware didn't have a proper grasp of that aspect of their society and how to represent those conflicting views.
Fiona might have been fun to explore but I wonder whether we already explored her in the Calling and there just wasn't enough left to talk about.... just more for other characters to discover that the audience still has available.
Lol, no. At least Vivianne didn't support destruction.
I have always found Vivianne's reasoning st least better and wiser than Fiona's.
@Alika Fifi arafiah the rebellion only caused destruction, and Vivianne was right in something, their time was atrocious, and shortsighted. The only reason things didn't go out of control (well, more) was because of the Inquisition. If it had been for Fiona, all Thedas could had fallen in destruction in the name of her "rebellion".
Damn, man. The sadness is strong with this one. Fiona gave Alistair up because of the Wardens and circumstance? So, what did they do? Throw her away and lock her in the Circle.
After giving birth to Alistair at Weisshaupt, she brought him to Ferelden to give to Maric to raise. She wanted him raised away from her (so he never find out his mother was an elf and suffer the prejudice that would follow) and away from the Royal Court (so that he not be entangled in politics); she wanted him to be free of the burdens of who his parents were so he could find his own path in life. After she gave Alistair to Maric, she returned to the Wardens for a while, during which time they tried to figure out how she had been cured of the taint, but they were unable to do so. As she was no longer a Warden, she had to go to the Circle, and the Circles rarely let mages out for any reason. What she did for Alistair was actually quite selfless, its just that Maric was a fool who trusted Eamon to do the right thing and actually take care of Alistair, which he failed to do.
ras144 You call keeping a child in the dog pens or the stable "caring for him"? Alistair respects Eamon because he's spent his entire life being abused by people with power over him and he thinks any small kindness or consideration as some sign of great friendship (same with Duncan).
Eamon wanted to make Alistair King because he is obssessed with the Theirin bloodline and ensuring it goes on, even if it is through a bastard. When Teagan questions Eamon about making Alistair King, Eamon even says, "If there were other options, I would not suggest it." which clearly shows that Eamon is trying to make Alistair King simply because there are no other candidates with royal blood.
Added to that, Eamon is a scheming politician who can see an opportunity for more power for himself. He knows that Alistair lacks the necessary skills to rule, and that he will need Eamon to advise him, allowing Eamon an opportunity to accrue power and wealth to himself. Why do you think he was not keen for Alistair to marry Anora? Its because she would not require him to assist in ruling and would send him back to Redcliffe.
In regard to helping get revenge for Duncan, Eamon was only interested in unseating Loghain and Anora, and placing a Theirin King on the throne; if the Warden conscripts Loghain, he doesn't even object in spite of Alistair's protestations, so helping Alistair get revenge is obviously not much of a priority for him. He's concerned with the big political game, not Alistair's wishes (as evidenced by him pushing Alistair to be King even though he doesn't want to). Helping Alistair get revenge is not something he ever even comments on, its just not on his radar.
Finally, if the Warden decides against Alistair at the Landsmeet and Anora calls for his execution, why does Eamon say nothing in Alistair's defence? Its because he only cares about his own position, and is not prepared to risk angering Anora for Alistair's sake.
For Eamon, making Alistair King is both an unfortunate necessity and an opportunity to increase his power and status. Eamon has his own agenda and Alistair is simply a means to an end.
Darkly Tranquil You've said what I feel. Maric was a cowardly fool, and Eamon doesn't give one damn about Alistair. Shame Alistair fails to see this.
ras144 I've played Origins sixteen times if we are counting, and read every book and comic that has been made for
Dragon Age. In any case, when you go to Denerim there is an ambient dialogue (near the fountain at Eamon's estate) in which he says, "The arl used to come here in the winter when I was small. I, uh... slept with the hounds." (ref: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Alistair/Dialogue). I can't find the exact quote for it, but its also mentioned that he lived in the stable at Redcliffe, and not in the castle, because Isolde did not want him around. As for the necklace, I attribute that to some small measure of guilt about caving in to his wife and sending Alistair off to the Chantry when he was so unhappy. I wouldn't rule out that Eamon cared about Alistair to some small degree, but not to the extent that he would inconvenience himself for Alistair's sake. If he did care about Alistair, he would have told Isolde to STFU.
ras144 Its not clear, but presumably because Maric commanded him to take care of Alistair, so he did not want to palm the task off on Teagan (who would have only just reached adulthood himself in 9:10 Dragon). He would also have been keen to keep a lid on Alistair's existence, since it would be a slur on the memory of Queen Rowan (Eamon's sister) so he might have wanted to handle it personally.
To be clear, I think Eamon was fond of Alistair inasmuch as he could be, but only when it didn't inconvenience him. When Alistair's presence became a nuisance he got rid of him, and when Alistair became useful again, he was eager to play the father-figure. Its just all a bit too convenient. I also think that Eamon's allegiance to the Theirin line is genuine and that he believed that having a Theirin king was important to Ferelden, he was just keen to get as much out of it for himself as he could in the process.
from what i understand about elf-blooded humans is that they often look more human than elven. i think Feynriel was just more elfy... it also seems that elves can mate with anyone... as Fenris said "We're plucky that way!"
teako north I know right? Feynriel was one of the only elf bloods that looked much more elven than human.
I loved that line!
much more human than elven tbh.
most of the time it's almost impossible to say when a human has an elven father/mother...
In Bioware canon I'm pretty sure that they're supposed to look COMPLETELY human. No slightly pointed ears or bigger eyes. I think it's to do with the nature of elves being connected to spirits and humans completely mess that up.
But Feynriel is cute, that's all matter LOL
It sucks what happens to her if you side with the Templars. My Alistair already killed Loghain back in Origins and I killed Utha in Awakening, so Fiona was literally the only living character left from her era--Maric, Rowan and Duncan are all dead already. It really felt like the passing of a generation when Solas killed her.
Sanguiluna SPOILERS If you side with the templars you need to kill Fiona when Corypheus assaults Haven, if you side with the mages you'll fight Knight Captain Denam instead.
FluffyNinjaLlama It doesn't really make sense for her to march on Haven considering her history. With her powers she could have deserted rather than help the obviously evil darkspawn. There are other mages that could have used her leadership.
well remember fiona invites you to redcliff at val royeaux, but when you arrive she says she was never there. so it could have been a demon impersonating her at val royeaux (like lucius in the templar quest), and it could be the same demon at haven
Chris Novi Let us hope. Still she comes off as particularly weak willed.
+Chris Novi Honestly I thought she used time magic. I've always thought it was a future version of her who went back perhaps a few months or possibly even years to try to save her people.
I really hope she and Alistair reconcile at some point in future games.
Crimson Zephyr reconciliation would have to have happened if she told him then that she was their mother. he's not made at her for being a terrible mother. he's mad at her for invading his kingdom. he doesn't know that she's his mother he just knows her as an ally who betrayed his trust. theres not much to go on that at all.
It'll probably never happen as David Gaider is no longer at Bioware and Alistair and Fiona are his characters. In fact the whole Therein story of Maric and Alistair are his. So without him, we'll never get a true and proper ending.
I killed Fiona in my playthrough because I chose templars :(
Jade Orlaïs same, at the time I didn't know she was his mom I just thought she was just some random elf. Oh well, atleast her and Alistair can make up in the afterlife in my canon.
@@andrewvincent7299 that sucks
Wait wait, so Alistair is Half-Elf and has Mage Blood...And he knows nothing of it. God the irony
I sooooo want to be the one informing Alistair in other games, PLEASE GIVE US THE CHANCE BIOWARE!!!
Agree, but has to be secretly informed. Otherwise, Alistair will live in hell again. (By having mom Elf, Orlesian and Mage)
I rather made that revelation in private, not publicly. The consequence will be dire if it is bust out wide open.
Maric: Human, Ferelden, King + Fiona; Elf, Orlaisian, Mage = Alistair.
I'm crying
Hint hint to those who knows. Hmmm...does Alistair actually knows. And I wonder if her lost of the taint was due to her pregnancy. It was never recorded if a Warden conceived a child.
Her Loss of taint was because of the Architect and rogue wardens... It's on the book The Calling.
She was affected by Darkspawn magic or something @.@
I asked if Alistair actually knows. Miss a question mark there.
ras144 Probably. He's going to know some point in the future though. Secrets are meant to be known my mother always say.
ras144 Question: Does Fiona has any unique reaction to Warden Alistair? And/or if he died.
am i the only one who always sides with the mages? i just cant bring myself to kill off *SPOILERS* alistair's mother
Oh you're not the only one who sides with the mages. If only because I hate the Templars.
The templars are mostly dicks, and since I usually play as a mage, me siding with the templars happens be not a fun experience. Of course I have my warden marry Alistair so unless I use mods on DAO I can't be a mage in order to be queen. I find mages the most fun to play as in Dragon Age.
+Douglas Schultz "Yeah you're the only one" No, majority sided with mages.
They're not physically vulnerable, only mentally. Why would I recruit Templars the order responsible fro the Rite of Tranquility even existing? Fuck that, I consider that worse than genocide.
Templars are not responsible for rite of Tranquility. The original Inquisition was. But Templars and Seekers were responsible for it's abuse. The being said i always side with mages too. there are more people who are mages that i care about then Templars.
Balorak146 I feel like it makes more sense to side with the mages. The templars make it clear that they want nothing to do with the inquisition, while the mages do want to help, until the magister takes control
So I came excited to listen 4 minutes of Fiona talk about Maric and Alistair then it ended up being under a minute lol
There are more Dragon Age games to come out, I doubt Alistair will remain long in ignorance of who his mother really is, and if he does, it will be a result of Fiona's wish. I am really sad Alistair did not get to know her, but I respect his decision; his rule is already fragile in times of War, where many would love to overthrow him simply for being a bastard, even if he is a great King.
I hope, one day, Fiona's destiny will lead her to where she truly belongs.
1993majinvegeta Alistair and his storyline will never be the same again. With David Gaider(who wrote Alistair and all the characters pertaining to him) leaving bioware, Alistair will never be the same.
Both Alistair and Fiona can die, so to be honest, I find very unlikely something will come out of this.
Everyone's suprised that she's Alistairs mother, I'm still tripping over how she cured herself of the taint?
Chekov's gun for the next Dragon Age, eh?
Its covered in the books. Something the Architect did to her
I had this talk with fiona in 2014 when DAI released. I'm just now realizing how obvious it was of what she was saying
I've played the games so much and never realized she was his mother ugh, it really makes me sad how many people failed Alistair as a child.
T_T this beautiful canon...
So..... when Morrigan does the dark ritual with Alistair, does that strip him of his grey warden-ness? Is Alistair an old god baby?
considering the facts, I think Fiona lost his "powers" of gray warden for having a child, but Alistair is normal, if you are talking about Kieran, he can have the soul of an ancient god of Tevinter if you convince Alistair go to bed with Morrigan or with the male Hero of Ferelden.
Laura A. I think Fiona lost the effects of the taint because the broaches that was given to her and the other grey wardens accelerated the taint and made them die faster of it. By the end of the story, the dark magic from the broach was reversed and she lost the physical effects from the taint aswell as the internal effects. That ultimately wiped the taint from her blood which cured her.
Those things were made by Architect that son of a bitch better show up with cure.
@@kidoumaru4942 You can also have Loghain sleep with Morrigan.
@@darthportus I miss the Architect. He was such an interesting villain with a lot of implications. Would he have been unimpressed with Corypheus? Fought against him? How would Morrigan and Kieran have handled knowing how Urthemiel was awoken? Even Dorian's and Blackwall's reactions might've been interesting.
This is an intensely interesting character. Makes me so happy Alistair came from this woman.
I had not seen this because Allistair is a Grey Warden in my game. I knew he was half elf, but never would have connected her as his mom. I wonder if him becoming a Warden or the dark joining with Morrigan is what made her no longer a Warden. I really need to read the books. When I finish the Outlander series I may have to start these.
Angela, Alistair was protect by Duncan as a Grey and was place in the Chantry for protection. Loghain knew about Alistair and wanted him dead since he was the rightful heir to the throne after Cailan.Alistair is a result of a one night stand between Merric and Fiona.
one night stand? better ask that to Duncan while he stand guard in the deep roads.
His father is a dragon-blooded Fereldan King, his mother is an Orlesian Elf Mage. Okay, "quite the special snowflake".
Snowflake that's so quantum that he probably won't return in future games in flesh, and his VA already said that he will not be in the DA4.
Alistair can die in so many ways it stops being funny. Guess it's the price for his snowflake-ness.
Holy fucking shit I just finished reading The Calling and had my mind blown by this. Forever being pressed to re-examine the text of this game really marks its brilliance.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
After reading "The Stolen Throne" and getting to know Maric better... the "his father had hopes for him" part just... breaks my heart. Alistair never really got to know him, did he? And certainly not his mother... ;A;
Alistair had said that he got to see Maric up close once, but never got to speak with either him or Cailan.
is it that banter about him being close to his brother? Or...
Fluff Lynn You'd be even more heartbroken with the comic series that stars Alistair. It finally gives closure to Maric's story. It guts you because you finally think some happiness is coming for two characters who have only had small fleeting moments of it, only for reality to set in.....
that's sad :(
yeah... I read that T__T
I just realized that Alistair has Orlesian blood since Fiona is from Orlais
I wonder if the HoF ever contacted Fiona for their research since she is the only grey warden alive who survived the taint. Even better if the HoF is Queen Cousland
Oh what a weird family reunion that would be
If anyone has read the calling you will know she is his mother. Omg the books are amazing. Warning there are some really sad parts you can't help but cry. Human and elves who have a child end up with a human child. Sorry for the spoiler. 😁
After reading "The Calling" Fiona's backstory with Maric hits differently
Oh man, I sided with the templars on my current playthrough and during the Venatori attack on Haven, I was forced to fight and kill Fiona. Now I just feel guilty as hell and I'm not sure, if I should keep playing or just reload and go with In Hushed Whispers again ... =/
Fun fact is there is a special achievement that only happens if you sided with Mages (and enable trial while doing the quest ' In hushed Whisper')
If you sided with Templars, there's no special achievement for the templar's quest.
I really dislike that they made someone important (An Orlessian, a Mage, a Warden, an Elf) his mom instead of just letting him be some random bastard who rose to greatness.
Every single one of those things (aside from the warden bit I suppose, but even then its frowned upon due to the fertility issues and short lifespan) would ruin Alistair's standing among nobility. Mage bloodlines are very much discouraged, and elf blooded kids can count on a life of never QUITE fitting in because of the stigma of having an elven parent (it literally ruined Michel de Chevin's life) and so soon after the occupation, an heir with an Orlesian parent would be met with a LOT of scorn (Eamon got a LOT of shit for marrying Isolde, and consider everything that happened with Connor)
Like zevran said (at least in antiva) lots of kings come from bastard blood. It's hardly unheard of. Fiona made it very clear to Maric that she wanted Alistair to be raised with no knowledge of her, because unfortunately everything she is would just make life so much harder for him.
All this time and various playthroughs not once did it ever occur to me that Fiona was Alistair's mother
It's a little fascinating that Alistair was part-elf the whole time.
What a very sly "Hey. How's my son doing?"
That whole story is so tragic... The only thing that I find weird though is that, contrary to Feynriel, Alistair has absolutely no trace of elven features at all. Is there a reason to that?
ras144 He has clearly a much thiner face than other humans, and if you look at his nose it has clearly an "elven" bridge. You didn't think so?
Edit: Actually, I just checked his Wiki page and one comment found there pretty much answers my question: "Despite the fact that elf-blooded humans are known to appear physically human, Feynriel has elven-like features."
ras144 I didn't know he was just elf blooded (yes I heard from his mother that his father was human but still) when I first looked at him. I only knew afterwards because of his ears.
That was way harsh, Alistair.
He doesn't even know Fiona is his mother... And you can't fault Alistair for that... Mages allying with Tevinters causing trouble in Ferelden which BELONGS TO ARL TEAGEN. If he didn't exile the mages, people would see him as weak
as sad as it is, he is the king and any rumor goes out that his mother is not of noble blood, people would start questioning and cause a civil uprising.
***** No they won't. He is still the blood of Maric
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I think they would be more concerned that Alistair would have magic AND elf in his blood. After all, all of Feralden knows that Alistair was the bastard child of Marric and a Maid. Better to be full blooded human then and of the other two.
Michelle Bos Well if the Inquistion you created is pro-mages and mages helped to defeat Corypheus, I don't think all of Thedas would mind magic. Being elf-blooded on the other hand, that would cause conflicts between human and ALL Elfs
Think about it: Fiona life in Inquisition is canon. You can kill her if you side with the Templars and then Alistair mother would truly be dead! That’s fucking tragic. And how he was so harsh to her and banishing her after the Inquisitor came back from the future-fuck! I wish Alistar knew! His mother was right in front of him..
Why didn´t she let him know? All Alistair want it a family! It was even his perfect life in the fade (Both times)! But what does he get? His Sister is a Bitch and want nothing to do with him, when he find his father Maric he had do kill him in the end and his mother Fiona didn´t tell him she exist.
Why has it be so hard for Alistair! Well, atleast he have his Love now, when she return.
Wolfblood92 uh Goldanna isn't his sister obviously. also Alistair hates her guts now so its probably better that he just knows his mother died. I know that sounds tragic but it wasn't the best time to spring that up. I mean 'hey I'm your mother, and I just lead the mage rebellion and almost gave armies of mages over to the demonic magister' isn't exactly the parent you want especially during a war time with monsters.
If only my warden knew he was half elf. The shit he would give alistair lol
So why was Alistair told goldanna was his sister?
Because it was part of the cover up story. Maric and Fiona didn't want Alistair to know he was elven blooded and they needed a witness to their false story in case suspicion ever came out of Alistair's heritage. They could use Goldanna as a witness who believes she saw(she didn't. they lied to her) Alistair being born to her mother.
@@andrewvincent7299 I guess they figured he would ask questions one day
I hope Alistair finds out who she is in Dragon Age 4.
neither will probably be in DA4 because they both can be dead. The best time to have done this was in DAI and Bioware didn't do it. Its not happening.
I feel for her but I don't care much about her lack of responsibility. She was welcomed into a country when no other would take her, granted refugee in one of its most important cities, and returns the favour by selling the mages and Redcliffe out to Tevinter. Not only is that a spit in the face to Ferelden's hospitality, but it also worsens the mages reputation and freedom
I absolutely hate alistair and his whining but love Fiona this makes me sad I had alistair exiled now, can’t believe I missed this
If Alistair is Fiona's son what about Goldanna, the sister he tracks down in Denerim? She remembers her mother passing away. She didn't mention anything about mages or magic. Would Fiona just fake dead to leave this child to struggle so she could prance about in whatever circle business? It's plausible, but I don't see a reason why she would leave Goldanna in poverty. Give me a good explanation and I could believe it maybe.
But then again, actually being related to her could be a lie..
Goldanna's mother passed away at the time that baby Alistair arrived in Redcliffe. It was an absolute scandal for Maric to sleep with an elf, no less have a child with one, so it was better to say he had an affair with a serving girl than an elf. Eamon raised Alistair as a bastard, saving Maric's reputation.
Goldanna, even though she was a child, could ask questions about her mother's death. Whether or not she even died in childbirth is unknown, but she died nonetheless. Goldanna may have said that her mother was not pregnant and that could have raised questions where Alistair came from.
In a nutshell, political bullshit that leaves two innocents forever questioning what happened.
ras144 It was probably because Alistair was in the room or we were dating Alistair or we were really good friends with Alistair or we hated his guts and wanted every opportunity to make him know 'how little the world cared about him.' any of those the warden would not have hesitated to tell Alistair about his heritage which would have done more than shock him a little. 3/4 of those are simply good intentions but therefore it doesn't make sense to tell the warden about Alistair's heritage because we'd spill the beans in an instant. He would be questioning everything about his life from all of that like for example when he was sent to the chantry was it simply because he threw a temper tantrum or was it because they were watching him for magic talents? so many things about his life would easily have changed because of that secret plus the Arl didn't know the warden ether so it just made sense to hide it from us.
So... Was she Allister's mother??!!?!
Being Orlesian, Mage and elf in Ferelden would be T-T
Not including shorter-aged of grey warden's life
Can you do her quest and then do the templars? I skipped her completely and she showed up during the chantry attack and i had to kill her, no dialog.
You pick a side, the other allies with the bad guy.
You have the option to meet her and the tevinter mages/Dorian, before having to pick a side. It's a free quest in Radcliffe, I.e. Doesn't cost 15 power.
-Raises hand- What about Alistar's sister in Origins? What happens to her? Does Alistar let her live in the palace?
Orion Nardo it wasn’t his actual sister if I remember correctly. When she said “they told me the baby died” the baby she was talking about wasn’t Alistair and did die. So that wasn’t his sister(I wish I could find the source but I don’t remember it).
With it being confirmed that Fiona is Alistairs mother, that means the woman he THOUGHT was his mother isn't, so therefore that wasn't his sister.
this is why I've always been so confused about the Goldanna quest...ok, maybe they lied to him...but her too? Or is it just a coincidence that her mother died in childbirth about the same time as Alistair? Or if it's retconned, that's a big retcon
It's not retcon. They did use Goldanna's mother who did die giving birth to her child as Alistair's mother even though she wasn't. Goldanna was used as a witness to the events just in case it ever came out that Alistair might be of elven blood. They could use Goldanna as a witness to continue to cover up Fiona being Alistair's mom which could ruin Alistair's claim to the throne.
And they didn't even bother to make her own face model for her...
I’m confused, how anything she said indicated she’s Alistair’s mother?
You need to read a novel to know what exactly happened between her and Maric and how Alistair was born, then you can understand what's she really saying thanks to it.
And, even if you didn't read it, you can get some hints. Like how she is too nervous while talking about Alistair and too interested to learn about the king's happiness for a random ex-Warden mage that only "knew his father".
There's a fan theory out there that Fiona is actually Alistair's mother with Maric.
Then who the fuck is Goldanna?
A serving girl did indeed give birth in Redcliffe Castle, and that was Goldanna's mother. She says in Origins', "They told me the babe was dead. Gave me a coin and told me to keep my mouth shut". Whoever fathered her mother's child that died in labour with its mother, I have no idea - perhaps Eamon himself had an affair? It would explain why Alistair mentions that "rumours had me pegged as his Bastard" when talking of Eamon and Redcliffe in Party Camp.
I believe it was to prevent Alistair knowing about his mother - or a story that Maric told Eamon to stick to. It's also likely one of the reasons that Maric never recognised Alistair, especially as he's a) Half Elven and b) born of a Mage thus there were way too many potential issues there.
While I despise maleficarum and strongly dislike Blood Magic I understand why the mages want freedom endlessly abused by the templars the simple fact remained the templars had complete control over the mages they could abuse and kill them at any time that would make anyone frightened and desire freedom desperately to say all mages are evil is to say all templars are evil because both sides are in the wrong mages endless abusing their magic and the templars endless abuse of their authority but it isn't fair to blame all templars just as it isn't fair to blame all mages there are evil templars and evil mages on both sides fuelling the conflict further
she said i knew maric back when i was a warden so i actually don't really assume she is his mother since grey wardens can't get childeren unless alistair was born after she was freed of the taint but even then she should have been in de circel of ferelden when the whole was happening. Was she? i don't remember to be honest
Grey Wardens can have children. It's just the taint makes it unlikely. Alistair was the very very small percentage of children born from a Grey Warden mother. It probably helped that Maric was not a Grey warden. Fiona and Maric had sex I believe when she still had the tainted blood. It probably helped tremendously that she was free from the taint by the time she was advanced in the pregnancy with Alistair.
This is proof that the inquisitor canonically goes after the mages, whether they recruit or capture is up to debate, but the game treats the MOTHER of ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS IN A FRANCHISE, as a easy boss if you go after the Templar’s, plus Samson is way better than Calpurnia
Lol, this proofs nothing, and there is no canon at all, don't get confused with the default states the game provides for those unlucky ones who cannot use an imported world state.
@@SeventhheavenDK I meant in he BioWare canon, which is what they use for books, any and all books after this point if mentioned will have the Inquisitor get the Mages, specifically because killing off Fiona just to have an alternate choice is the worst decision I've seen the studio make related to a single game
I'm more interested in that painting of prince charles
That really does look like him!
So who the hell was Goldanna?
lol just in case it hasn't widely known due to I think the books Alistair is not the bastard heir he thought he was. He is actually the elf blooded, mage blooded, warden born legit heir to the throne. The reason he wasn't named the actual heir was probably because his mother didn't want to be known to him and to call him his heir King Maric would have had to make that information known. And the outrage at everything that his mother is would have probably been too much trouble and would probably cause Anarchy. Much simpler to have another heir that's fully human. If I got any of this wrong it was my understanding that Alistair was born first, back when King Maric had some adventures. Also would make Alistair older than he thinks he is. It would fit the drama dragon age puts into its works a lot. Also it might make Alistair more or less likely to get the calling early or much later which would be pretty cool I guess.
this comment is six years old but to clarify fiona and maric meet two years after queen rowan's death, so cailan is definitely the older son.
@@katie42496 oh, okay. I never can get ahold of the dragon age comics and books, so I didn’t know beyond the wikia and whatever I dug up through tearing through the forums
I can't find her in Haven, where is she? :(
She's not there. She appears in skyhold
Fiona is the main character.
Of what?
@@SeventhheavenDK Everything
A little late to party, but does this mean that Goldanna is not actually Alistair's sister? Since her mother was believed to be Ali's mother as well. Or is she daughter of Fiona too? Confusion.
Yup. That's a tale Eamon made up.
So, she’s Alistair’s mother? I hope this issue is resolved and mother and son are reunited once more.
Very unlikely, as both can potentially die.
“Potentially”
Wait... isn't Alistair's mother dead? He said that in DAO. Did I miss something that explains how Fiona is his mom and he's actually half elf?
Just A Nerd he doesn't know she is his mother. They cooked up a plan and lied to him. And so yes the money grubbing b**** was not his sister. It was bad enough that Alistair was a Bastard of a King. They could not let anyone find out his mother was an Elf. She agreed, which is why Eamon raised him.
Which makes her part that much more sad.
"raise him" being used loosely since he slept with the dogs....
Demon, he isn't serious when he said that. He was joking around and teasing the warden.
Yeah, The book The Calling explains why Fiona is Alistair's mother.
What was the point of this whole scene being in the game? Nothing came of it and it’s likely that the Devs won’t put it in future installments since her son can be killed in inquisition.
Dragon Age, since Origins, is filled with tons of extra side stuff that you'd never find if you don't go looking for it. Hell, a lot of the lore we know about the series comes from the codex in each of the games, which a lot of people don't ever even bother reading. It's not pointless. It adds "flavor" to a world, that little bit of extra that makes it feel more like a living world than just a made up one (even though we are all aware that it is, in fact, just a made up world).
Also, it's entirely possible it could be included in future games or other media, like books or comics, if they wanted to. Because depending on how you play the games, it's entirely possible for both Alistair and Fiona to be dead (there are two ways for Alistair to die in Origins, one of which is him slaying the Archdemon), so by that logic, there shouldn't be any future appearance of either character, whether it's an actual onscreen cameo or in a codex entry or letter or something (like the War Table missions), because it's possible they aren't around.
Wait.... What?!?!?!
Rebels for mage "freedom", starting a war... and then instantly indentures herself and all rebel mages to the service of literal slavers from Tevinter. Then she tries to kill you at Haven. UGH I HATE YOU FIONA.
If she's a Grey Warden, how did she became pregnant? How did she bear Alistair? Did she do a ritual? If that is the case, Alistair may be the same as Kieran.
She somehow reversed the Joining, though IIRC she doesn't even know how she did that.
So... alistairs mother is alive? Didn't his sister say she was dead in DA:O?
not the same mother
No she was never a servant girl she was a. Grey warden and she fought along side Maric and they fell in love. The goldanna and maid mother thing was all made up because Fiona wanted Alistair to be happy and back then she was a grew warden and also a mage which she couldn't raise children do to both the life of grey warden or as grand enchanter of the circle mages.
i mean, technically she was a "servant" in orlais
If Fiona is a Grey Warden, how did she conceive?
It's not impossible for a Grey Warden to conceive a child, be they male or female, just incredibly difficult. The chances of conception are a little better if one of the parents is not a Grey Warden, but it is entirely possible for two Grey Wardens to have a child together but incredibly difficult. In Origins, for example, if your Warden was a Female Cousland and you chose to marry Alistair, he mentions that at some point, the nobility will expect them to provide an heir for throne, but he doesn't think that's likely to happen since the taint makes it difficult, but not impossible, for Wardens to conceive.
Basically, two Wardens conceiving a child together would be what we in the real world would call a miracle baby.
@@FalenDragmire . When does the game actually says Grey Wardens cannot have children, or even that is difficult?
The only thing I hear Alistair said is that it may not be a good idea for a Grey Warden to have child because of the taint, but he never mentions anything about being more difficult, or is that mentioned in one of the books or comics?.
@@SeventhheavenDK It's mentioned in several of the books and comics that while it's not impossible for Grey Wardens to have children, it is incredibly difficult for them to do so, particularly if both sexual partners are Grey Wardens. Alistair himself, being the bastard child of Grand Enchanter Fiona and King Maric, is a perfect example of someone who probably shouldn't exist, but does, likely due to the circumstances of his conception (there were some shenanigans going on at the time of Alistair's conception).
So.... I'm confused is Fiona Alistair's mom?
Yes
Wait wait wait wait, so... the only way to be saved from the taint is to conceive a child??? So taht means the female gray wardens are the only ones that are able to be cured of the taint as of now knowledge??
Damn... Who would have thoiught it would be Fiona of all people.
Connor Naive I don't think so. When Fiona's taint quickened it was due to the fact that they were carrying objects that (unbeknownst to them) were infused with the Architect's magic. Once she ditched said object and left the Deep Roads, her taint receded - so it's more likely that the disappearance of her taint was the result of the Architect's magic than her conception of a child.
Yeah I don't see it.. is there more evidence I missed? Also her being a warden and conveniently losing the gift of the initiation seems like a fat lie probably to mooch off the kings riches.
It’s confirmed at the end of the novel ‘The Calling’ that she’s Alistairs mother
I wonder if alistair will ever know that fiona is his real mother
Wait what about goldanna, what of her then?
+Papyrus The Skeleton Goldanna was a child of a servant woman who just so happened to be pregnant around the same time as Fiona. The servant woman died in childbirth, and to conceal the truth about who Alistair's mother was...they told him that the servant who died was his mother.
or I worry the darker thing was happened
Wait I thought that the hero of fereldon was the first female warden I don't understand
Aroura,No..There has been several female wardens a good example can be found in "The Last Flight". A good read.
Aroura Novak not at all. There were many female grey wardens. You can ask Alistair about it if you play as a female warden, and he mentions he has seen pictures of them, though there weren't any while he had been with them so far. In the warden's keep dlc you go to an old grey warden base and look for evidence to redeem the legendary warden commander Sophia. In awakenings you can also conscript velanna, a female elf into the wardens -- although I suppose that would be after the hero of ferelden
A Elven female warden found the last Griffin eggs in the book "The last Flight".
Even though I'm a guy I some times play as a female mage warden. IMHO female mages look more the part then men.
Fiona in DA:I was a Grey Warden mage.
Aroura Novak and let us not forget Sophia Dryden.
Both Alistair and Fiona are dead in all my worldstates.
Wait.... I'm late as hell to this party but...
FIONA IS ALLISTAIR'S MOTHER???!!!
Yep, it was confirmed a few years ago
wait wai waitttttttt ITS CANNON?
HackersSun Yep and it was always meant to be. The baby at the end of the novel "The Calling" was always meant to be Alistair.
No, its CANON
Dayum so Fiona was the servant girl whom Marric had sex with,that explains much..Goldanna & Alistair are blood related still i guess. On Templar's side,you're forced to kill Fiona =/. I think Mages better
Goldana and alistair are not actually related. The servant girl thing was a cover up so no one knew he had elven blood.
Rebecca Boyes ooooo
Actually she never was a servant girl. That was just a tale spun to hide the truth, by Fiona, Duncan and Marric. If you read the DA book the Calling you will see the truth.
She was never a servant, but a Grey Warden mage who went to a secret mission, with King Marric, Loghain and Duncan.
But they invited that stroy to protect Alistair, from scorn about his elven ancestry. I mean what can be worst, than being a bastard? Answer: To be a half-elf bastard.
So why did goldanna talk about the servant woman being her mother she was old enough to know her mom
0:45 wait so giving birth means you lose the taint
Was alistair born with the taint
Okay game. Thanks for hiding such a crucial fact about Fiona out of the game. Because if you sided with the Templars, she is dead and you really don't give in F because her character is never well developed.
what did you expect your playing DAI a game half its development time was wasted on how to create it in the frostbite engine
I hate Fiona she doomed all the mages by letting them rebel even though it was A 50/50 split plus if you save her she does nothing like ser barris goes out and does shit
Well, she fight alongside the inquisiton forces at Temple of Mythal? And you sound like mages weren't already doomed under the templars, rebelling was a damn good thing to do. Chantry needs to burn.
Yeah, Vivienne was totally right about her. Fiona was demented.
this speach reminded why i started to hate this game: LONG ASS MEANINGLESS SPEACHES, JUST GET TO THE POINT ALREAD, GOSH!!!!!!
stupid mages always rebelling and trying to gain powers they shouldn't
yeaaaaah because the templars are so much better...