Hey, don't jump on the cops. They emptied out their extinguishers right away because at least they knew the importance of a fast attack. Regarding the 1/2 hose used by the FF, this looked exactly like a Three Stooges film. I don't blame the guy because that's all he had thanks to the scene command.
I love how they dismiss the guy with the hose like what are going to do with that little thing and then sit there for several minutes with their big limp hoses doing nothing. The garden hose guy saved the day along with the several extinguishers
People always underestimate how effective a garden hose stream can be. It may not be able to extinguish a fire, but it sure can significantly control one and limit damage to exposures.
Many years ago the house next door to us burned. It was in the middle of the night. I was spraying with a hose when FD arrived. The fireman came to where I was. He said, you aren't doing much good. I said, I'm doing what I can. He stuck his hose into a broken door window and opened water in a fan spray. The fire died instantly in that area.
If you change the garden hose nozzle from stream to spray, you can protect that garage door better. Spray blocks the infrared energy (heat). It won't put out the fire but it can do something.
Absolute boneheaded decision on behalf of the first due engine officer. Your truck has 750 gallons of tank water for a reason, USE IT.With a working fire assignment dispatched your water supply can be designated to the second due or even hand jacked to the hydrant by others already on scene. Poor execution, if this is part of their SOGs then there chief needs to reevaluate how out of the box this response was.
The town needs to reevaluate the chief. There are many million $ homes in Brielle and this is the bad service they get after paying A LOT in property taxes.
@@bentley4446 Could of just been a lapse in judgment on behalf of the first due officer. Its hard to believe that their SOP's would call for what ever it is that we just watched.
WOW!!! This is absolutely unacceptable. That’s was a bad call sending your engine to the hydrant. Then the embarrassment of the one fireman using the guys hose to put the fire out and seeing the civilian laugh at it is priceless. This department needs to revaluate there SOP’s on this.
@@yonibuckwald7141 well let me be specific, I've seen better skills in fire fighting and new jersey is excluded from professionalism in fighting fires...as gary said,"pretty embarrasing i'm not the only one witnessing it".
Dump your tank water on it. if necessary, have the 2nd due to lay a supply line. It's not only quicker, but you don't have to rebed a ton of hose = back in service quicker.
Using water on board a pumper is why we carry it. 750 gallons can make a major difference on a fire like this if it's used properly. Additional apparatus is on the way and will arrive soon enough so use you tank up. This made no sense
Obviously the fire fighters wanted to be doing something. Always 20 cops on scene standing around. If they are so eager teach them how to use a fire extinguisher
Home owner did a Great job, You guys need to sign him up !! That garden hose put out alot of fire !!!! I knew something was wrong when the line was stretched, delayed, and the garden hose was still in use ????
Steven, I can never understand why they don't adopt the same system as here in the UK, No Hose Reels, Hundreds of Feet of Hose to run out before water is produced.
Good job keeping the fire from extending using a garden hose. Its amazing what a little bit of water in the right place can do. Again this video proves the ineffectiveness of B/C extinguishers. They don't remove the heat source. I have 2 Class A's at my disposal and one in my truck. Good thing the owner took the garden hose to it. Otherwise that garage would have been a total loss .
A Chief/Officer made the scene prior to the Engine’s arrival and still allowed the pumper to go down the street? Why not pull a pre-connect from the cross lay? I timed them & it took 3 min & 24 sec to get water on the fire that wasn’t from the residential pre-connect. If they used more than 150 gal to knock the fire down I’d be surprised. It’s probably a good thing it took as long as it did to get water after they pulled what looked like 400’ of bedded hose & left it in a spaghetti pile. These guys need better training & management.
@@ericweiler6571 If you know what you are doing and have the proper equipment, well, i would say that it is not a far fetched guess. Here an example from Denmark. A normal fire truck might have somewhere around 3.000 litres (some more but most common i would say is around 3.000). And i bet they did not need to fill it up during this: ua-cam.com/video/J-LgexzU0Vw/v-deo.html
Nice job! How many people just stand and watch everything go up in flames is insane. This guy had the wherewithal to pick up a water hose. If he waited for the fire department, EVERYTHING would have been lost. Nothing against firefighters. I absolutely have the utmost respect for them. But they can only get there so fast. Nice job! Very proactive!
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks they deserve alot of credit tons of it great job great team work and good catches as usual still going strong stay safe and warm out there way to go !!❤😂😂😅 Joe.
Well that was painful to watch, here in the UK we would have a high pressure line out and the whole thing would have been done in two minutes back to the station for a brew..
Hose wagons became obsolete perhaps 100 years ago and are found in museums and parades. Now you have shiny trucks with lots of lights, that carry perhaps 500-700 gallons of water, and a big pump to make to make the hose hard. Lots more water than a green line. Like many of the other comments, the attack of this one was bizarre and slow. I never armchair these videos as we only see one perspective, but damn, this was hard to watch. Definitely a training film for the future.
Unless you're talking my dept. We have 1000 & 2000-gallon Pumper/Tankers. Neighboring depts have 3000-gallon Pumper/Tankers. Rarely will we even use 1000 gallons on a vehicle fire.
Thank goodness for the homeowner and cops. The garden hose may not be much but every ounce you can put on the fire up front, quickly, will reduce the extent of fire later. You have a pumper truck with water on it, use it. They were so worried they might run out of water they didn't put any water on the fire. At least they didn't run out, they can haul it back to the station for the next run.
its a friggin vehicle fire, whatever happened to using tank water???????? The guy riding officer had fire up his ass. Hate to Monday morning quarterback but this job showed lack of experience.
Imagine if the home/vehicle owner posted the thoughts that were running through his head once the firefighters arrived on scene. He looked a little perturbed at one point. I’m sure there would be something along the lines of what the f@#k?
No $hit, especially when you live in a really nice town like Brielle. When homes cost $750k plus and your property tax is at least $20-$25k per year you should expect better services.
First in Engine should have done a fast attack with pre-connects off his truck. If the Second In Engine was too far out and he needed additional water, he could have told all those folks standing around talking on their radios to hand-jack a 2 1/2” to the hydrant for a water supply. The civilians and police would have jumped in and gladly helped drag the line. We use that tactic on structure fires all the time and save almost every structure (99%+) of the viable saves. If they are already fully involved we are able to stop it from getting much worse. And we are a volunteer department with unmanned stations. I’ve seen better organization watching Sh!t-Fights in the Monkey Cage at the zoo.
The pre-connect was not charged yet. I believe this was a communication issue with the engine driver. But agreed. Ridiculously long time to charge the pre-connect.
@@itisjambo it wasn’t a pre connect they dropped. It looks like they carry about 500’ of 1 3/4 flat loaded in the hose bed instead of more LDH. So the “driver” had to break the coupling, connect the line to a discharge before charging the attack line wasting even more time. Fortunately they got water on the fire before the garage went up.
on my department the first engine in we pull a pre-connect side lay and have water on the fire within a minute of arrival. And we are all volunteer. I have several times myself drove the engine engaged the pump and started putting water on the fire before anyone else showed up.
The paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love and appreciate you guys let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok right ? Joe
This is why you should have 3/4 run to your water hose with 60 psi. I have 3/4 four corners of my house and they will all reach each other’s location, so I can have two lines going at once.
Mike, I was just thinking about what I could do to get a jump on a fire. Yes you do need water pressure, that garden hose did a good job at low pressure, imagine if he had better pressure.
I was thinking the same. I also think there may have been delay due to positioning the apparatus towards the hydrant. But I think there were better ways to do so. Edit: it has a 750 gallon tank.
Additionally it looks like there’s a line in the front bumper as it first pulls up- as others note it didn’t take much water once they got it. But a fuel tank rupture and who know what else with all that time might have occurred- thankfully luck was on their side
Wow, just wow. That was as embarrassing in the extreme, a fire department using the homeowners garden hose to initially suppress the fire? That’s what I saw right? And what is all that crap on the guys helmet 6:23? These guys should worry less about having flags on the bumpers and all sorts of crap strapped to their helmets and focus more on the basics. This is what happens when firefighters start believing their own hype.
As you look at the guy when he turns around towards the camera he is trying to find something...well it's his gloves that he has so nicely stowed away strapped to his helmet so his first instinct is to go back to the truck to look for them.
I thought it was pretty funny when the guy asked "what do you need?" Its a car fire! Just put the fire out, problem goes away! Act like you have done this before! Thank God the garage didn't catch. You would have probably managed to burn the whole block down
Here in Victoria Australia, we pay a yearly Fire Service Levy, If these homeowners pay something similar, I'd want my money back. I'm a retired career firefighter, if it took us this long to charge a line and use it there would have been a please explain from a commander or above.
Good to see even the firefighters used the best of the garden hose until the line was charged. Even smaller amounts of water is much better than NO water.
Yes in the UK high pressure hose reel would have been off and water on the fire within 30 seconds of arrival. I wonder why American appliances don't have these?
agree with you !! in the U.S., it takes an average of 3 minutes once a truck is on scene to get water flowing. It's often sad to see a truck pull up and everyone scrambling to get the hose off the truck and water on the fire. U.S. fire companies still rely on canvas hoses, whereas your hoses (UK) are a strong rubber hose on the reel.
@@JNAGSVA My department quit using the hose reels about 1976 out of concern of not having enough water flow. We used 200' 1-1/2" preconnects. I have often wondered if that was the optimal decision. As far as I know, high pressure booster lines were never very popular in the U.S. and the only vendor (John Bean) went out of business in the 1990's.
Got to admit, when they started to drag line off the back I thought the guy without the air pack was going to hand jack it back to a hydrant on the corner while the rest of the crew pulled a cross lay or two... Even still, once the engine got to the hydrant, why not flow water from the tank while you hook to the hydrant?
In the UK they would have had the fire out in the time it took them to lay the line and asking for water which when they said they were ready was still slow in arriving. The home owner and police officer saved the garage.
Agreed !! a very unacceptable response. First engine on the scene should of assessed the situation where only the vehicle was on fire. The thing to do is attack with the inch and half lines using water on truck. Sad that they spent several more minutes driving the truck to the hydrant and then supplying water from there. Very poor call. Had I been the homeowner, and the garage caught on fire because of this poor call, definitely would bring lawsuit.
Am I the only one questioning the length of the pre-connect? This most be common practice for them. Lay your attack line down the street as you reverse lay. Your attack engine is down the street. Pump operator has no clue to what's going on at the scene. You never use your attack piece to fetch it's own water.
I’m with you. I’ve seen a lot of different departments put out car fires. This was hard to watch. Kudos to PD for knocking the flames down. They hadn’t done that there wouldn’t be a garage standing for sure. I’ve seen the attack engine take there own supply but they hook to the hydrant and lay towards the fire if the hydrant is close.
@@ffjsb as I said never unless the hydrant is in the front yard or your passing it close by on the way in. You never lay a attack line down the street. There is no way for the operator to know what's going on at the scene. If you want to see how it's done and done effectively I suggest you watch Videos from Newark Ohio fire. There battalion Chief Decker runs some of the best fire ground scenes you will ever see.
@@ffjsb yes drive the engine down the road with all of your tools and other lines !! FML really!! Should have came in the other direction and caught the hydrant or let the second due engine !! This was pure stupidity!! Bunch of Darwin’s !!!
The only credible things I can come up with was that their pump was out of service and they had to use hydrant pressure, tank was empty due to a leak, or valve issues?????
so strange. when i was a firefighter for 14 years, been in MANY MANY interior attacks where the line is charged way the fu** before being hooked up to a hydrant. Who are these clowns!?
❤😂❤😂😂😅😅❤😂😂great job great team work and great and sweet catches as usual still going strong they deserve alot of credit tons of it let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen and police and sheriff who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks stay safe and warm out there let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok wonder what the couse is that started the fire ?!!! Joe
About 3 1/2 minutes from the time of arrival of the first engine to the time of water on the fire. And first due went for water?? This is inexcusable and this fire department should be investigated by the NJ Div of Fire Safety amongst other agencies. Glad I don’t live in Brielle.
I have a question I'm hoping a firefighter can answer. If it took almost 3 1/2 mins to get the line charged and water flowing, is it possible their tank was dry? I remember seeing an engine roll up on a garage fire on their way back from a car fire on the freeway and they didn't have water onboard after using it all. Does that happen often? I remember hearing them say they were out and had to hook up to a hydrant. Wasn't their second due engine about 9 minutes out? I can kind of see why they hooked up the supply but after reading a lot of comments pretty much everyone disagrees. Either way, great video. I'm sorry they lost their truck and damage to the garage. Everyone is okay which is really what counts most.
I don't understand about using the garden hose only for a while. The fire rages on, but firemen stand around. Does it take time for the hydrant to start working? It was watching the Keystone Kops.
It never ceases to amaze me if the neighbors got together with their garden hoses it may have been knocked down if not slow down even the firefighter was using the garden hose till the water was started after they evacuated the owner the firefighter picked up where he left off main reason the garage was saved all those fire extinguishers and one garden hose
Sitting here watching. Like what are you waiting for to charge the line. They pulled enough spaghetti off to wrap around the block. Then like others commented about not using the booster tank. Wow.
As a non firefighter the slowness of getting water onto the fire was poor, if it is on the engine use it. The UK has a lot of retained firemen to provide a service. Remember these guys are volunteering to put there lives at risk to try and save property. An occasional appreciation of there work would go a long way with them.
Fire chief : " you take over the garden hose. You pull down some hose. You drive the truck 2 miles to the hydrant. Yes I know you have 750 gallons on board but dammit get to the hydrant. The rest of you stand around and watch the garden hose techniques of fire fighter Sid. There will be a test on it later "
Notre Dame 😂 But seriously, for something like this we’ve got high pressure hose reels which are wound up in a locker and already connected to the tank and pump. Something like this would hardly take a whole tank including damping down. Quite an interesting way of working to say the least.
One thing I always wonder when seeing American firefighters going in, has to do with that. In the Netherlands there are two systems available on a regular fire engine. One is the low pressure which uses the big hoses like I see them in this video, too. The secondary system, which mostly is used for a quick response and smaller fires, is the high pressure system. This uses smaller lines which are pulled from a reel on the truck. This system uses up to 580 psi. It is more efficient with water. The lines can extend from the reel up to 90 meters. I cannot remember seeing anything like that on an American fire engine.
It always cracks me up when people say "Working" vehicle fire. It's either on fire or it's not... SMH. And like others have said, piss poor job. Never in over 35 years have I ever been on a vehicle fire (other than a commercial vehicle) that we EVER hooked to a hydrant, even with a 500 gallon tank. We never have a medic, Chief, or Fire Marshall show up either. And tell the friggin' probie to put on SCBA or go sit on the hydrant.
I watched a Dutch car fire just before this one, the difference is amazing. HP line pulled and water/foam on the fire within 30 seconds of arrival, no spaghetti of hose, no waiting while somebody finds a hydrant. In the 70s Engines had HP lines, why the move away from them?
Can never understand why the US firefighters take so long to get any water on a fire , especially as I read that the truck carries water on it . Embarrassing for many fire fighters I'm sure .
@@bobbys1984 Some. I've seen some top notch 100% volunteer outfits. Still, that's not an excuse. Fire/EMS are the heartbeat of our country. Lives depend on them. Literally. I've noticed these Jersey dept. aren't ever in a hurry, have no clue where hydrants are, never organized.
@@pmccoy8924 well being in too much of hurry gets people killed.. kinda defeats the purpose of why we’re here. With that say. The paid depts in Jersey have some of the most aggressive and swift action guys in the entire country. They must, they are the busiest per capita
@@bobbys1984 There are good volunteer departments and some that need better training and leadership, just like paid departments. When I used to engineer, I had water ready to go 30-45 seconds after I set the air brake.
Wow. I will ask my standard question. Are they paid or volunteer? If even one person (engine officer, chief) on scene is a paid firefighter that town better rethink how they do things. If it wasn’t for the garden hose that garage would have been toast.
Probably the most manpower overkill I have ever seen for a small fire, in the UK you are lucky if you get 1 fire engine attending for this type of incident. Here in the UK most engines have water tanks and their training is very good so they do need 10 or more chiefs there telling them where to point the hoses.
Why did the first due engine not use the attack line and the water from the engine? Does this FD have a fire ground operations radio channel? Verbal communications ( Yelling for water) Do they have hydrant locations mapped.... just to mention a few. Is there a operational assessment after the fire to discuss operational issues? One firefighter is taking time to mask up and it appears that he needs more training drills.
My friends and I got off work to see a custom van smouldering under the dash. In the 5 min it took the fire dept.to arrive, we watched the fire pop up then run though the whole van. They burn up quick once they get going....
Respond in the direction for a forward lay into the scene, booster tank first while hydrant gets connected. One hand line should be pulled and charged within 30 seconds! How are you going to make a rescue or save life’s operating that slow?!
dont you guys got a water tank on your engine? here in germany on our Standard engines we got a 2000 liter water tank and a Quick reaction Hose, so you can fight the fire in like 10 sec. after arrival... also here we got a rule that sayes that every 150 Meters there needs to be a Hydrant...
why would the firemen grab extinguishers when they have a fully loaded truck to dump water on??? This makes no sense......that fire should have been out much quicker.
Btw.. Great job by the policeman and the guy with the garden hose… They saved the garage!!
Agreed, the guy with the 1/2 inch garden attack line did a good job.
Hey, don't jump on the cops. They emptied out their extinguishers right away because at least they knew the importance of a fast attack. Regarding the 1/2 hose used by the FF, this looked exactly like a Three Stooges film. I don't blame the guy because that's all he had thanks to the scene command.
Agreed !! splendid job by both men, valiant effort
except the garden hose man stopped sprayed minutes before the fire brigade water starting flowing!
I love how they dismiss the guy with the hose like what are going to do with that little thing and then sit there for several minutes with their big limp hoses doing nothing. The garden hose guy saved the day along with the several extinguishers
Haha 100%
People always underestimate how effective a garden hose stream can be. It may not be able to extinguish a fire, but it sure can significantly control one and limit damage to exposures.
Many years ago the house next door to us burned. It was in the middle of the night. I was spraying with a hose when FD arrived. The fireman came to where I was. He said, you aren't doing much good. I said, I'm doing what I can. He stuck his hose into a broken door window and opened water in a fan spray. The fire died instantly in that area.
If you change the garden hose nozzle from stream to spray, you can protect that garage door better. Spray blocks the infrared energy (heat). It won't put out the fire but it can do something.
Absolute boneheaded decision on behalf of the first due engine officer. Your truck has 750 gallons of tank water for a reason, USE IT.With a working fire assignment dispatched your water supply can be designated to the second due or even hand jacked to the hydrant by others already on scene. Poor execution, if this is part of their SOGs then there chief needs to reevaluate how out of the box this response was.
Yes very bad call
The town needs to reevaluate the chief. There are many million $ homes in Brielle and this is the bad service they get after paying A LOT in property taxes.
@@bentley4446 Could of just been a lapse in judgment on behalf of the first due officer. Its hard to believe that their SOP's would call for what ever it is that we just watched.
I heard of local Fire depts here show up with the Tank Empty!
Breathing All of the infused farts in your Lazy Boy have made you a very unpleasant geezer troll.
Wow! Over 3 minutes until they had water flowing! 1 minute is a pretty long time where I come from.
WOW!!! This is absolutely unacceptable. That’s was a bad call sending your engine to the hydrant. Then the embarrassment of the one fireman using the guys hose to put the fire out and seeing the civilian laugh at it is priceless. This department needs to revaluate there SOP’s on this.
New jersey period, non of these ppl have any training done Right..
@@SDPP992 not at all true my local fire dept trains very often, including volunteers!
Four minutes to get a jet on it, embarrassing!!
@@yonibuckwald7141 well let me be specific, I've seen better skills in fire fighting and new jersey is excluded from professionalism in fighting fires...as gary said,"pretty embarrasing i'm not the only one witnessing it".
@@yonibuckwald7141 Training often doesn't mean that the training was done right.
Dump your tank water on it. if necessary, have the 2nd due to lay a supply line. It's not only quicker, but you don't have to rebed a ton of hose = back in service quicker.
Using water on board a pumper is why we carry it. 750 gallons can make a major difference on a fire like this if it's used properly. Additional apparatus is on the way and will arrive soon enough so use you tank up. This made no sense
@@scotta.5681 You do not need more for this. Not even half of it. Especially if you use hose reels.
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@@Xanthopteryx Agreed - we used to always use hose reels a lot more than today. Now it's almost always 1" 3/4 pulls.....😖
The firefighter with the garden hose is gold!
Obviously the fire fighters wanted to be doing something. Always 20 cops on scene standing around. If they are so eager teach them how to use a fire extinguisher
Home owner did a Great job, You guys need to sign him up !! That garden hose put out alot of fire !!!! I knew something was wrong when the line was stretched, delayed, and the garden hose was still in use ????
Yeah, but the homeowner would make the "firefighters" look bad!
3 minutes 21 seconds from arrival to water at the nozzle is simply appalling by any standards.
Don`t be too harsh on them WoodedBasher, they keep their fire trucks nice and shiny.
Steven, I can never understand why they don't adopt the same system as here in the UK, No Hose Reels, Hundreds of Feet of Hose to run out before water is produced.
Good job keeping the fire from extending using a garden hose. Its amazing what a little bit of water in the right place can do. Again this video proves the ineffectiveness of B/C extinguishers. They don't remove the heat source. I have 2 Class A's at my disposal and one in my truck.
Good thing the owner took the garden hose to it. Otherwise that garage would have been a total loss .
A Chief/Officer made the scene prior to the Engine’s arrival and still allowed the pumper to go down the street? Why not pull a pre-connect from the cross lay? I timed them & it took 3 min & 24 sec to get water on the fire that wasn’t from the residential pre-connect. If they used more than 150 gal to knock the fire down I’d be surprised. It’s probably a good thing it took as long as it did to get water after they pulled what looked like 400’ of bedded hose & left it in a spaghetti pile. These guys need better training & management.
That would only take 150 gals of water?
@@ericweiler6571 Your mom!
@@ericweiler6571 If you know what you are doing and have the proper equipment, well, i would say that it is not a far fetched guess. Here an example from Denmark. A normal fire truck might have somewhere around 3.000 litres (some more but most common i would say is around 3.000). And i bet they did not need to fill it up during this:
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Nice job! How many people just stand and watch everything go up in flames is insane. This guy had the wherewithal to pick up a water hose. If he waited for the fire department, EVERYTHING would have been lost. Nothing against firefighters. I absolutely have the utmost respect for them. But they can only get there so fast. Nice job! Very proactive!
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks they deserve alot of credit tons of it great job great team work and good catches as usual still going strong stay safe and warm out there way to go !!❤😂😂😅 Joe.
Pretty slick paint job on those Ocean rigs.
Well that was painful to watch, here in the UK we would have a high pressure line out and the whole thing would have been done in two minutes back to the station for a brew..
@EastCoast SuxDix ?
@EastCoast SuxDix Mate we have pubs older than your country..
Yeah, that was my thoughts as well.
It’s just dumb ass volunteers, please don’t think our New York or Chicago guys do dumb things like this.
Goodie for you. Your apparatus look like toys.
How f**cking long does it take to these guys to charge a line?
Mmmm... 3.5 minutes? Yeah.
Good lord this was awful.
About as long as it f ing takes for you to say something nasty. Remember….d@cks can not be rehabilitated. You are doomed.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I don’t know but I watch an entire episode of the Equalizer before I saw the hose charged….
@@anthonyclay8389 Are those shart skids on your BarcaLounger?
Hose wagons became obsolete perhaps 100 years ago and are found in museums and parades. Now you have shiny trucks with lots of lights, that carry perhaps 500-700 gallons of water, and a big pump to make to make the hose hard. Lots more water than a green line. Like many of the other comments, the attack of this one was bizarre and slow. I never armchair these videos as we only see one perspective, but damn, this was hard to watch. Definitely a training film for the future.
Unless you're talking my dept. We have 1000 & 2000-gallon Pumper/Tankers. Neighboring depts have 3000-gallon Pumper/Tankers. Rarely will we even use 1000 gallons on a vehicle fire.
Thank goodness for the homeowner and cops. The garden hose may not be much but every ounce you can put on the fire up front, quickly, will reduce the extent of fire later.
You have a pumper truck with water on it, use it. They were so worried they might run out of water they didn't put any water on the fire. At least they didn't run out, they can haul it back to the station for the next run.
its a friggin vehicle fire, whatever happened to using tank water???????? The guy riding officer had fire up his ass. Hate to Monday morning quarterback but this job showed lack of experience.
Imagine if the home/vehicle owner posted the thoughts that were running through his head once the firefighters arrived on scene.
He looked a little perturbed at one point.
I’m sure there would be something along the lines of what the f@#k?
No $hit, especially when you live in a really nice town like Brielle. When homes cost $750k plus and your property tax is at least $20-$25k per year you should expect better services.
They should hire that new Kensington fire chief😂😂😂
For some reason the fireman using the garden hose is so funny!
First in Engine should have done a fast attack with pre-connects off his truck. If the Second In Engine was too far out and he needed additional water, he could have told all those folks standing around talking on their radios to hand-jack a 2 1/2” to the hydrant for a water supply. The civilians and police would have jumped in and gladly helped drag the line.
We use that tactic on structure fires all the time and save almost every structure (99%+) of the viable saves. If they are already fully involved we are able to stop it from getting much worse. And we are a volunteer department with unmanned stations.
I’ve seen better organization watching Sh!t-Fights in the Monkey Cage at the zoo.
Unacceptable that they are using the garden hose and not charging the cross lay. unacceptable. SMH wow
The pre-connect was not charged yet. I believe this was a communication issue with the engine driver. But agreed. Ridiculously long time to charge the pre-connect.
@@itisjambo it wasn’t a pre connect they dropped. It looks like they carry about 500’ of 1 3/4 flat loaded in the hose bed instead of more LDH. So the “driver” had to break the coupling, connect the line to a discharge before charging the attack line wasting even more time. Fortunately they got water on the fire before the garage went up.
@@bentley4446 you can see when they arrive they have a bumper line and 3 crosslays at there disposal. 0 need to use the float load of 1 3/4
he should have been hosing the garage and roof instead
I bet you have never been cross layed.
on my department the first engine in we pull a pre-connect side lay and have water on the fire within a minute of arrival. And we are all volunteer. I have several times myself drove the engine engaged the pump and started putting water on the fire before anyone else showed up.
The paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love and appreciate you guys let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok right ? Joe
This is why you should have 3/4 run to your water hose with 60 psi. I have 3/4 four corners of my house and they will all reach each other’s location, so I can have two lines going at once.
Prepared! I love it.
Mike, I was just thinking about what I could do to get a jump on a fire. Yes you do need water pressure, that garden hose did a good job at low pressure, imagine if he had better pressure.
So, just wondering. Does that engine not have a 500-750 gallon booster tank on it?
Just a video how most countrys in EU handle a car fire... ua-cam.com/video/ue8_O2Kbusk/v-deo.html
I was thinking the same. I also think there may have been delay due to positioning the apparatus towards the hydrant. But I think there were better ways to do so.
Edit: it has a 750 gallon tank.
Additionally it looks like there’s a line in the front bumper as it first pulls up- as others note it didn’t take much water once they got it. But a fuel tank rupture and who know what else with all that time might have occurred- thankfully luck was on their side
@@ronjohnson1800 The fuel tank is in the back under the bed of the truck, which is NOT involved in fire...
@@ffjsb It will be soon if they don't put some water on the truck. Wait long enough and they will need the hydrant, and another 40 trucks.
Wow, just wow. That was as embarrassing in the extreme, a fire department using the homeowners garden hose to initially suppress the fire? That’s what I saw right? And what is all that crap on the guys helmet 6:23? These guys should worry less about having flags on the bumpers and all sorts of crap strapped to their helmets and focus more on the basics. This is what happens when firefighters start believing their own hype.
LMAO i asked the same question about what is on his helmet
What is up with that guy!? Full of himself methinks
Doesn't matter what's on his helmet because he's not making himself useful anyway ... just looking around and walking in circles.
As you look at the guy when he turns around towards the camera he is trying to find something...well it's his gloves that he has so nicely stowed away strapped to his helmet so his first instinct is to go back to the truck to look for them.
My personal favorite is the guy walking in circles around it holding a pike pole
Pull just past the fire and hit it with the trash line. Tank water would more than sufficient.
☝️This
I thought it was pretty funny when the guy asked "what do you need?" Its a car fire! Just put the fire out, problem goes away! Act like you have done this before! Thank God the garage didn't catch. You would have probably managed to burn the whole block down
A shame that engine doesn’t carry tank water…
Wow! They need to be retrained. Very poor fire attack. Now if they needed an additional attack line the rig is down the street.
Here in Victoria Australia, we pay a yearly Fire Service Levy, If these homeowners pay something similar, I'd want my money back. I'm a retired career firefighter, if it took us this long to charge a line and use it there would have been a please explain from a commander or above.
The owner was probably saying….what the hell, my hose was doing the same shit.
Good to see even the firefighters used the best of the garden hose until the line was charged.
Even smaller amounts of water is much better than NO water.
Yes in the UK high pressure hose reel would have been off and water on the fire within 30 seconds of arrival. I wonder why American appliances don't have these?
agree with you !! in the U.S., it takes an average of 3 minutes once a truck is on scene to get water flowing. It's often sad to see a truck pull up and everyone scrambling to get the hose off the truck and water on the fire. U.S. fire companies still rely on canvas hoses, whereas your hoses (UK) are a strong rubber hose on the reel.
@@JNAGSVA My department quit using the hose reels about 1976 out of concern of not having enough water flow. We used 200' 1-1/2" preconnects. I have often wondered if that was the optimal decision. As far as I know, high pressure booster lines were never very popular in the U.S. and the only vendor (John Bean) went out of business in the 1990's.
Got to admit, when they started to drag line off the back I thought the guy without the air pack was going to hand jack it back to a hydrant on the corner while the rest of the crew pulled a cross lay or two... Even still, once the engine got to the hydrant, why not flow water from the tank while you hook to the hydrant?
Totally embarrassing. If I pulled up...ALONE....I could have water on the fire . If I failed I would have found myself delivering Meals on wheels
In the UK they would have had the fire out in the time it took them to lay the line and asking for water which when they said they were ready was still slow in arriving.
The home owner and police officer saved the garage.
Agreed !! a very unacceptable response. First engine on the scene should of assessed the situation where only the vehicle was on fire. The thing to do is attack with the inch and half lines using water on truck. Sad that they spent several more minutes driving the truck to the hydrant and then supplying water from there. Very poor call. Had I been the homeowner, and the garage caught on fire because of this poor call, definitely would bring lawsuit.
I agree why not just tow the truck away from the garage
Am I the only one questioning the length of the pre-connect? This most be common practice for them. Lay your attack line down the street as you reverse lay. Your attack engine is down the street. Pump operator has no clue to what's going on at the scene. You never use your attack piece to fetch it's own water.
I’m with you. I’ve seen a lot of different departments put out car fires. This was hard to watch. Kudos to PD for knocking the flames down. They hadn’t done that there wouldn’t be a garage standing for sure. I’ve seen the attack engine take there own supply but they hook to the hydrant and lay towards the fire if the hydrant is close.
True but they could of come in the other way if possible and hit the hydrant first or again use tank water and have the second engine hit the hydrant.
NEVER say never. It completely depends on the situation. Fully involved building with a convenient hydrant?? ABSOLUTELY get your own water.
@@ffjsb as I said never unless the hydrant is in the front yard or your passing it close by on the way in. You never lay a attack line down the street. There is no way for the operator to know what's going on at the scene. If you want to see how it's done and done effectively I suggest you watch Videos from Newark Ohio fire. There battalion Chief Decker runs some of the best fire ground scenes you will ever see.
@@ffjsb yes drive the engine down the road with all of your tools and other lines !! FML really!! Should have came in the other direction and caught the hydrant or let the second due engine !! This was pure stupidity!! Bunch of Darwin’s !!!
Браво на младежа,който не позволи на огъня да се разпространява.Добри хора използваха и собствените си пожарогасители,адмирации👏👏👏
The only credible things I can come up with was that their pump was out of service and they had to use hydrant pressure, tank was empty due to a leak, or valve issues?????
3 minutes from the time the truck arrived to get water on the fire? Go back to school boys, YOU NEED IT !!
Wow Pull a cross lay and if you happen to run out of 750 gallons on that fire you can always hand jack the short distance to the hydrant
They do need to speed it up a little on getting water on that hose
@3:15 - "Matt, What do you need" - He Needs More TRAINING !!
so strange. when i was a firefighter for 14 years, been in MANY MANY interior attacks where the line is charged way the fu** before being hooked up to a hydrant. Who are these clowns!?
🤡🤡🤡 They have 14 years experience.
Barely trained volunteers!
@@mr.wilson8340 whatever that means.
@3:30 the homeowner sprayed the firefighter with his garden hose 😆
Pre-connect, pre-connect, use it till you have water supply established.
Or at the very least pressurized water extinguisher till then.
❤😂❤😂😂😅😅❤😂😂great job great team work and great and sweet catches as usual still going strong they deserve alot of credit tons of it let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen and police and sheriff who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks stay safe and warm out there let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok wonder what the couse is that started the fire ?!!! Joe
Terrible job of fire fighting. It took way to long to get water on this fire
About 3 1/2 minutes from the time of arrival of the first engine to the time of water on the fire. And first due went for water?? This is inexcusable and this fire department should be investigated by the NJ Div of Fire Safety amongst other agencies. Glad I don’t live in Brielle.
I agree with your comment 100%
I have a question I'm hoping a firefighter can answer. If it took almost 3 1/2 mins to get the line charged and water flowing, is it possible their tank was dry? I remember seeing an engine roll up on a garage fire on their way back from a car fire on the freeway and they didn't have water onboard after using it all. Does that happen often? I remember hearing them say they were out and had to hook up to a hydrant. Wasn't their second due engine about 9 minutes out? I can kind of see why they hooked up the supply but after reading a lot of comments pretty much everyone disagrees. Either way, great video. I'm sorry they lost their truck and damage to the garage. Everyone is okay which is really what counts most.
In the UK at least you wouldnt book available for another call until you had replenshied your water supply, so no.
the fire will have burnt out before they get water on it
I don't understand about using the garden hose only for a while. The fire rages on, but firemen stand around. Does it take time for the hydrant to start working? It was watching the Keystone Kops.
It never ceases to amaze me if the neighbors got together with their garden hoses it may have been knocked down if not slow down even the firefighter was using the garden hose till the water was started after they evacuated the owner the firefighter picked up where he left off main reason the garage was saved all those fire extinguishers and one garden hose
Scrolled down...surprised no one has commented on the address yet. Real BLAZE going there.
What's the problem with charging that handline? Supermen with no packs.
SMART DUDE. Hose can't exstinguish, but it can protect an exposure.
+Great job to the Pro-FF Petrulla for not disdaining the Garden Hose.
It takes them too long to get hoses live and water on active fires! especially if they have a truck loaded with water
Big fan of the 800’ 1.75”
Sitting here watching. Like what are you waiting for to charge the line. They pulled enough spaghetti off to wrap around the block. Then like others commented about not using the booster tank. Wow.
Pretty darn embarrassing when a guy with a garden hose and a cop with an extinguisher are more co-ordinated and effective than an entire pumper crew!
they did a great job with those extinguishers and the garden hose ontil crews arrived!!
As a non firefighter the slowness of getting water onto the fire was poor, if it is on the engine use it. The UK has a lot of retained firemen to provide a service. Remember these guys are volunteering to put there lives at risk to try and save property. An occasional appreciation of there work would go a long way with them.
Fire chief : " you take over the garden hose.
You pull down some hose.
You drive the truck 2 miles to the hydrant. Yes I know you have 750 gallons on board but dammit get to the hydrant.
The rest of you stand around and watch the garden hose techniques of fire fighter Sid. There will be a test on it later "
Seriously! a fire fighter playing the garden hose hero!!!
Apparently that's why their pre connect hand line is a few hundred feet long, so the engine can go catch a hydrant. 🤦♂️
I now know where not to live because this fire department is just….wow
Dude. Watching them nozzle with a garden hose was epic. I’m surprised they didn’t use tank water at first.
What a shame, you would never see something like that in Europe where they start spraying water literally seconds after the truck arrives.
Yea that's why Notre Dame burned... This is an exception and a bad example of the American fire service .
Notre Dame 😂
But seriously, for something like this we’ve got high pressure hose reels which are wound up in a locker and already connected to the tank and pump. Something like this would hardly take a whole tank including damping down. Quite an interesting way of working to say the least.
Thats true bro
US Fire service is way better than in Europe. You’re just looking at too many volunteer depts in the US
One thing I always wonder when seeing American firefighters going in, has to do with that. In the Netherlands there are two systems available on a regular fire engine. One is the low pressure which uses the big hoses like I see them in this video, too. The secondary system, which mostly is used for a quick response and smaller fires, is the high pressure system. This uses smaller lines which are pulled from a reel on the truck. This system uses up to 580 psi. It is more efficient with water. The lines can extend from the reel up to 90 meters. I cannot remember seeing anything like that on an American fire engine.
It always cracks me up when people say "Working" vehicle fire. It's either on fire or it's not... SMH.
And like others have said, piss poor job. Never in over 35 years have I ever been on a vehicle fire (other than a commercial vehicle) that we EVER hooked to a hydrant, even with a 500 gallon tank. We never have a medic, Chief, or Fire Marshall show up either. And tell the friggin' probie to put on SCBA or go sit on the hydrant.
If they had pulled a second garden hose they probably could have gotten the fire out in half the time it took the FD to put water on the fire. Sad.
It's amazing how quickly they got their fire hose turned on.
Can we put some water on the fire sometime today????
I watched a Dutch car fire just before this one, the difference is amazing. HP line pulled and water/foam on the fire within 30 seconds of arrival, no spaghetti of hose, no waiting while somebody finds a hydrant. In the 70s Engines had HP lines, why the move away from them?
This engine has a pre connect trash line in the front they coulda pulled into the driveway and had water on the fire in 30 seconds if done correctly
Yeah right.
Well hope the training picks up a bit.
Can never understand why the US firefighters take so long to get any water on a fire , especially as I read that the truck carries water on it . Embarrassing for many fire fighters I'm sure .
Just US volunteer firefighters. Our city depts are unmatched.
@@bobbys1984 Some. I've seen some top notch 100% volunteer outfits. Still, that's not an excuse. Fire/EMS are the heartbeat of our country. Lives depend on them. Literally. I've noticed these Jersey dept. aren't ever in a hurry, have no clue where hydrants are, never organized.
@@pmccoy8924 well being in too much of hurry gets people killed.. kinda defeats the purpose of why we’re here. With that say. The paid depts in Jersey have some of the most aggressive and swift action guys in the entire country. They must, they are the busiest per capita
@@bobbys1984 There are good volunteer departments and some that need better training and leadership, just like paid departments. When I used to engineer, I had water ready to go 30-45 seconds after I set the air brake.
@@kenmeinken8115 only good volunteer is one that works at a soup kitchen.
Wow. I will ask my standard question. Are they paid or volunteer? If even one person (engine officer, chief) on scene is a paid firefighter that town better rethink how they do things. If it wasn’t for the garden hose that garage would have been toast.
The volunteer ones here in Sweden are way more professional than this. Almost the same as the full term paid ones.
at least that command officer has an organized truck. What was he doing in there the whole time?! command dammit!
The fireman who finally just goes for the garden hose. A for effort! ;)
But realize he was not following his training (hopefully no fire department trains on using homeowner garden hoses!)
"Hit it hard with the five eights', we'll get it knocked down"
That is a riot!! After his probation the fireman will advance from garden hose to a real fire hose.
No garden hose, chainsaw, ceiling hook and then maybe large hose.
Can somebody tell me why it takes so long to hook up hoses n spray the fire?? I don't get it really.. 😣
Probably the most manpower overkill I have ever seen for a small fire, in the UK you are lucky if you get 1 fire engine attending for this type of incident. Here in the UK most engines have water tanks and their training is very good so they do need 10 or more chiefs there telling them where to point the hoses.
Same here in Australia 1 pump and water straight on the fire from the fast attack line using the water in the pumper tank usually 1800 litres
A booster line while establishing a supply would have been more effective than that garden hose.
WOW JUST WOW !! Never saw anything like this at all !! Terrible everything!! But it worked out in the end ! What a chit show !!
Why did the first due engine not use the attack line and the water from the engine? Does this FD have a fire ground operations radio channel? Verbal communications ( Yelling for water) Do they have hydrant locations mapped.... just to mention a few. Is there a operational assessment after the fire to discuss operational issues? One firefighter is taking time to mask up and it appears that he needs more training drills.
My friends and I got off work to see a custom van smouldering under the dash. In the 5 min it took the fire dept.to arrive, we watched the fire pop up then run though the whole van. They burn up quick once they get going....
Respond in the direction for a forward lay into the scene, booster tank first while hydrant gets connected. One hand line should be pulled and charged within 30 seconds! How are you going to make a rescue or save life’s operating that slow?!
Fire Fighter Fenton is going to have a field day with this one!
Rumor has it that they are still waiting for water to this day
Why a reverse lay to the hydrant when you had a bumper preconnect and crosslays? Was the tank empty? Not very well executed.
Maybe they don’t carry water to save weight and fuel. You know with these high fuel prices you have to cut back.
dont you guys got a water tank on your engine?
here in germany on our Standard engines we got a 2000 liter water tank and a Quick reaction Hose, so you can fight the fire in like 10 sec. after arrival...
also here we got a rule that sayes that every 150 Meters there needs to be a Hydrant...
why would the firemen grab extinguishers when they have a fully loaded truck to dump water on??? This makes no sense......that fire should have been out much quicker.
Legend has it the line still isn’t charged
Who was the tool walking around with his gloves strapped to his helmet ?
WTF? Poor guy's like, well I WAS DOING THAT!
Best use of a dodge pickup I've seen ever.
Is that not the 2nd Dodge Ram that caught fire. A few weeks ago in outlet beach also.