ProZD Plays The Walking Dead Season 2 // Ep 10: Cold as Ice
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Clem, we need you to patch the code of the game we live in and fix all those blinky trees.
i appreciate the writers for making clem the way they did. it’s really hard to make a story from a child’s pov without making the kid annoying and/or a burden.
It’s funny because S2 is notorious for them almost overcorrecting for having a child protagonist. Clem is always the most competent person for a task thrown at her, but also literally the only competent person in a given circumstance. So whenever she does make the hard (and best) choices for the group, SOMEONE from the peanut gallery needs to put a 9yo on trial in between tripping over their own shoelaces
Also, I know hearing Kenny say that Jane could “learn a thing or two about respect” is alarming, but what he says beforehand about how his own father treated him explains a lot. Kenny was abused by his dad, and clearly made an effort to never treat his own kid the same way, but also had a lot of unaddressed trauma because of it. He’s always had a deep anger within him because of it, but kept it under control before the dead started walking. Then the world changed, and he kept losing everything over and over again. Learning to be violent was a part of that, because you had to in order to survive. And the anger that was always in him continued to grow, like a pot on the verge of boiling. Because it was fed by his despair, until there was no difference between the two anymore.
Kenny is flawed in a lot of ways, even before the dead started coming back to life. He’s said plenty of shitty things. At the same time it’s also clear how much he wants to be better. But of course wanting and doing are two different things.
Nah you guys are dirty for leaving us on that note. Holy shit.
it's amazing that AJ barely cries. He's hungry, cold, and his mom's dead. Newborns can't even drink water so I don't even know how they plan to feed him.
He’d probably also be deaf given how close he was to the shootout last episode.
I know that having newborns be newborns isn’t convenient for this game, but I’m pretty sure AJ would’ve died already- there’s been a lot of jostling him around and shaken baby syndrome is real.
Typo? “Can’t even drink water”(?)
Idk the first thing about raising a baby, but there's no way baby's just CAN'T eat normal food or water, like how else did people raise kids back when we weren't as advanced? Can't you just like mush up the food?
@@FrierenTheSlayer babies were breastfed in the past before we had formula. newborn babies really can't have solid food, it has to be either breast milk or formula because that's the only thing that's safe for them to ingest
@cometgravity Ahhh yeahh, breast milk, mb im rubarbed
The best way to remember Lee: observe more things.
I would always argue to go around, theyre still in the south and while cold, our winters rarely even get snow, let alone cold enough freeze enough to safely walk on. But i can see hunger and desperation overwriting the sensible part of one's mind
I also am confused as to what is supposed to be Kenny's fault at the frozen lake. Like, sure he chased after Arvo, but it's not like the ice cracked where they were. It cracked where Luke was, because he was in the back and moving awkwardly on his leg. Are they saying it's his fault Luke was shot? That wouldn't make sense either. Kenny's attitude and treatment of Arvo is a problem, but I'm not sure what he did in that specific instance where everyone agreed it was Kenny's fault.
Furthermore, I get a little frustrated with the Kenny and Carver comparison for a few reasons. For one thing, I think it's just too simplistic on its own. For another, Carver definitely doesn't give an impression that he was once a good guy who fell into further violence out of desperation. He pretty clearly seems like someone who discovered that he likes violence, and likes control. Kenny isn't good at maintaining control at all, and his defaulting to rage is entirely in response to immense emotional (and physical, lets not forget how much his eye is hurting every second) pain. To be clear, I am not excusing Kenny's actions and it is obvious that he is breaking at the seams. I just dislike the way it gets portrayed as a black and white problem. And I really like this game!
There isn't a single sign that Carver shows a shred of compassion, empathy, or any sort of such positive traits. Kenny has a lot of bad moments, but once he's a bit removed from the situation he realizes he screwed up and did wrong and feels bad for it. Despite calling Luke a "turd" in Episode 2, he's clearly upset about what happened to him at the lake. Despite the many clashes he had with Lee, he thinks about him fondly here. I think deep down, and it's deep deep down, he wants to get along with people, work together and make it, he has many good parts to him. The issue is that his bad side is BAD. He's short tempered and when his rage reaches its easily attainable boiling point, he starts doing bad things. He will later come to regret those things (sometimes), but only after he's out of the moment. I get what they're going for I guess, Jane's comparison of Kenny and Carver along with Carver's comparison of himself to Clem, the idea is "some people when pushed to far become a Carver/every Carver was once a Kenny", but the only thing Kenny and Carver really have in common is that they've beaten someone to near death (don't get me wrong though, that's a hell of a thing to do), so it doesn't fully work yet imo. Game's not over so I'll let them cook on this one, but at this current point it's too black and white when it's more complex than that. I'm also enjoying this game so far, but I'll have to wait for the game to keep going on this point specifically.
Yea the comparison was like wtf, Kenny beat Arvo was because he believe Arvo was the one putting the group in danger and was the one who started all this mess anyway, while Carver killed Reggie because he can't make a clearly shaken child pick fruits faster, spend resources to get the cabin group back just to have Rebecca's kid, torturing Alvin and Carlos... It's literally not comparable. Kenny may be volatile and his priorities may be messed up but the things he does is because he cares about Clem/the group, the same cannot be said for Carver in any circumstance.
And the the game proved Kenny right by having Arvo shoot you and bail even if you kiss his ass at every opportunity.
Carlos also hinted at the possibility of Kenny having brain damage after the beatdown so there's a chance that makes him more unstable.
7:19 Kenny blames Arvo for getting Luke shot in his leg… and for Luke being unable to cross the frozen lake with the group. So in a sense, Kenny blames Arvo for Luke’s death.
@@kokoro_flow We're talking about 8:45 when Bonnie says "this is your fault". Still puzzling to figure out what based on the context, no matter how far back you go.
The confrontation with the Russians? Technically Jane's fault for taking Arvo's gun
The battle that started? By extension also Jane, but no one really. Rebecca turned and someone had to shoot her. Kenny just did it to get it done and that started the battle. This does result in Luke getting shot, but that's more so on the guy who shot him or Jane than Kenny.
The incident at the frozen lake? Kenny running after Arvo didn't help the situation, but it didn't hurt it either.
The Russians not having enough supplies? Not anyone's fault, especially Kenny. Kenny was the first person against going to the Russian's place. He only went along with it with the baby in mind.
Nothing that's occurred that has lead the group to their current circumstances is even partially Kenny's "fault", so it's just a confusing line.
@@SilverScizor753 Ah, thanks for the clarification.
I think this is one of the most disappointing moments of the season for me...
The way Bonny and Mike starting acting on a dime the moment Kenny reacts to Arvo after he just got the group shot up is infuriating... The writing has no rational just extreams.
Sure kenny has really stepped over the line a few times but who could blame him, No person their has been through anything like Kenny and he hasn't had a single moment of down time since being beaten half to death and loosing Sarita.
Then instead of having a calm discussion in the morning about what they should do they decide to join Arvo out of nowhere and Leave Kenny, Clem, Jane AND AJ for dead with no supplies. [Marie seemed to miss the option that reveals they were taking EVERYTHING and running].
Travelling south and/or retracing their steps makes absolutely no sense especially when they have the Wellington rumour confirmed from 2 sources/groups... Not to mention the logical reasoning with walkers seizing up in the cold.
All in all Stealing all the supplies for yourself with the kid arguably responsible for the mess they're in NOT TO MENTION ABANDONING A WOMAN, CHILD AND BABY !! It straight up scumbag behaviour and really comes out of nowhere.
Sidenote: Arvo's completely 1 dimensional flat character no matter what you choose throughout the game also sticks out like a sore thumb... Like play the game being an asshole and/or aggressive to Arvo then yeah sure his actions don't come across that shocking but in a saint playthrough like this its bad...
"Oh 11 year old Clementine that has been nice and diplomatic the entire time I've known you... Yeah fuck you! Have a bullet for no reason whatsofuckingever"
Agreed with all of this, I feel like the entirety of this last episode really hurts the rest of the 4 episodes which were great, not to mention anything that hasn't been posted yet of course. Maybe the Arvo thing could have played better if Clem was forced to try to disarm him instead, idk. Since he shoots you even if you are the nicest to him ever, I just treat him like shit every other playthrough I do so it at least feels logical.
Yeah I agree with this. I honestly can get leaving, like it isn't the nicest thing to do but still logical if they're wary of Kenny. But taking all the stuff is so shitty when they haven't done anything close to that earlier, they've just been cool. Especially since as you said there's a kid(who has done SO much for them) and a baby.
Also the Arvo thing yeah I wish he was just more remorseful if you were nice to him. I think it's weird that they even bother giving you the choice of taking his bag when you meet him or not considering he's still mean and even sends his group after you either way. Feels like they maybe were supposed to write the nicer Arvo route but maybe cut it or something.
To me, it seems this season is a lot more "you have choices, but they don't really matter", and I don't know if that's out of trying to write a cohesive narrative or laziness. Marie's indecisiveness is still amazing though
To me, the fact that so many of Clem's decisions lead to the same outcome might be the writers showing what little power she has as she currently is.
Idk, it doesn't really feel any different to the first game in that regard. Even stuff like saving Carley vs Doug doesn't exactly change a lot.
@@Lady_Yunalesca Yeah, that's a key part of the Telltale 'formula'. With a narrative game, the more choices you have that matter, the more complicated the flowchart of 'how the story works' gets. So they need to be pruned back at some point to a place where a human can actually manage them. Hence why characters you save in one scene need to die in another, so the writers don't have to make two versions of every scene forever.
It makes sense from the studio's perspective, but it does destroy the whole illusion of "your choices matter".
@@josepholiveira2873I think there was a better way to do this, so the choices didn't feel wasted.
Take Sarah for example, how about instead of having her dying randomly, they give her a moment where she sacrifices herself for Clem, as thank you for all the other time Clem helped her, and as a fuck you to Jane's whole outlook. She still dies but there's more meaning to it.
@@josepholiveira2873 Yeah, I try to keep that sort of thing in mind when I play these games. Most of them don't have the budget to truly explore branching paths. And that's okay, honestly. I do agree they could make some better narrative choices with that in mind, like commented below, but most of the time it doesn't bother me much.
Shooting the walkers definitely looked like the better plan, though I don't know if that would've changed anything. But I don't get why they didn't just find a way around the ice. Just saying "it'll be fine" and taking risks that get people killed for no reason.
I don't like how much Kenny goes on about the baby. It feels like another family member he's latching onto to the point that he'll turn on anyone and do anything to protect it...
Same about just going around 😭
Just another example of how stupid this particular group is.
Everyone in this game treats Clementine like Byakuya treats Makoto. "Tell Them, Clementine!"
Aarvo wronged the group at every turn. He should have been blamed for everything. And Marie didn't even steal his supplies
spoilers for the episode
I always wonder when people in this game decide to leave they feel the need to take allll the supplies? Just feels mean. Like I understand why they would want to leave but damn did you really need to leave them with nothing at all.
And I also feel like it's so rude to have done nothing to help get the car running and take it anyway.
I was thinking I'd sleep in the car because of how much I didn't trust leaving it xD
And honestly the group all want different things so I don't understand why they don't just talk about splitting up.
I also can't help but think of Kenny's Villain arc starting after seeing Clem getting shot like that. Just demon eyed Kenny lmao
"This guy's dangerous and unstable, we need to get away from him! So let's take all of the group's supplies, and leave him with the baby and the little girl."
@@josepholiveira2873 yeah it's crazy xD
Both Mike & Bonnie are so insufferable to me. I don’t know if the writers wanted to add “nuance” to Carver’s insane tirades about “keeping the sheep in line”, but Mike and Bonnie are both so cruel and incompetent that their betrayal feels especially heartless on account of the fact that they did literally nothing compared to literally anyone else lol. They fit the bill of “unruly sheep” too well for me to comfortably sympathize with their awful choices
I'm with Kenny on the reaction of suggesting to head to Texas (or even Mexico), dafuq?
My family moved from there to Macon, GA (where the plot of Season 1 began) in '99 and it took us over 3 days worth of driving when you factor in breaks and sleeping. They're probably somewhere in Virginia right now and are even further than that! Never mind the fact the truck might not even have that much fuel, needs an oil change, and they might not find any more on the way there... Like... no, in an apocalypse you may as well suggest fleeing to the other side of the planet.
Also what the FUCK Arvo! Clem was so nice to you!
Yeah, I suspect there isn’t much gas because plot / conflict. 😭
Hm, if anything, I would’ve expected Arvo to shoot Jane… 😭😭
So I was primed by a video years ago to not trust Kenny coming into this season--that the game will want you to latch on to him as a point of familiarity, but he's really, really not okay.
I like to think that I would've told him to fuck himself by now, allying with the "screw this guy" faction. But watching Marie continue to cling to him despite his instability, I wonder if I wouldn't do the same thing.
I know for sure I didn’t LMAO
I’m interested to see how it’ll end up
i feel like i know what video you're talking about haha. i love kenny and think he's a great character, but he's incredibly flawed. from a viewer's perspective i think it's easy to say that kenny sucks and take a hard stance against all his actions, but i honestly think marie's approach is pretty accurate to how someone (especially a kid) might respond to kenny in this situation. when it comes to the narrative i think this works really well: getting sucked into the world of a highly toxic, unstable man because you have this background of trust and familiarity with him. i think this will flow into the final drama of this game perfectly and i'm excited to see it. kenny makes me really sad, because you can see how he could've been a really great man if he wasn't thrown into these horrific circumstances. it doesn't excuse what he's become, but you can see that he has the capacity to be fiercely protective and caring towards people, and watching him fall apart is pretty heartbreaking.
@@cometgravityto be fair, the group should never have trusted and protected Arvo. He’s been trying to get them killed the whole time.
Honestly with all of the insane decisions they force you to make, the fact that player has no input on ever actually shooting Arvo there is kinda wild to me. It definitely speaks to Clementine not being *so* desensitized to committing violence, but Arvo’s arc(?) still really rubs me the wrong way. While it’s more “realistic” that Arvo makes his own judgements independent of Clementine’s actions, he’s also instrumental to how the final third of the story goes up, especially THIS episode. Clementine is literally forced to shoot his Walker sister, which just happens to be the one thing that permanently sours Arvo’s opinion of Clementine. At a certain point it feels like Arvo is given more overall agency than Clementine. Like WHY would Mike give him a gun with 0 prior reason to trust him with it lol.
tldr Tbh I think Arvo’s writing is insanely weak/easy to hate
The fact that Mike and Bonnie were happy to steal the food and the truck and leave Clem and AJ with Kenny is fucked up, they lose a lot of sympathy from that fact.
Decide how much Kenny is worth? He's my best friend, my pal. He's my homeboy, my rotten soldier. He's my sweet cheese, my good time boy!
Spoilers for the episode!!!!
This Luke death here is genuinely the most frustrating in the whole game. Sarah and Nick were both optional so they died to make up for resources, but he just died for absolutely no reason and then Bonnie makes it out completely fine 😭
If you shoot the walkers instead, Bonnie goes and tries to save him and she falls in with Luke. He still dies, but she walks out perfectly fine and hates you for not helping him
Bonnie can die there btw if you choose not to break through the ice after Bonnie tries to save Luke
DAMN she gets mad anyway even tho you do help by covering. She's 11 lmao. She does everything and it's still not enough.
@@charlybird6822 yeah her being mad at Clem is so aids, just insult to injury on top of him dying
and iirc bonnie accuses clem of "never being expected to do anything" or something along those lines which is RICH coming from one of the several useless adults
I think Bonnie can actually die here as well, but I forgot how
Never seen this Luke ending before. Honestly prefer it to the other one, at least he dies a hero here.
I usually go for the nice options, but I really think Arvo was a pos. Especially if you dont take the meds. All he does is eff everyone over and is rude as hell about his sister dying, when she attacked them in the first place. Acting like they did this to him, when all they did was react.
Originally, I made the nice choices and felt a little bad (despite his group instigating thr gunfight) until he shot Clem. Now whenever I watch playthroughs, I dont disapprove of Kenny giving him the All-American beat down.
Fuck Arvo. All the homies hate Arvo. 😂
My thoughts: (EPISODE SPOILERS)
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1) Man, fuck Arvo. You can max out your niceness to him and he still shoots Clementine even AFTER she gave her gun to Mike. I guess one mitigating factor is that Clementine shot his sister and he might not know that his sister was already a walker at that point, but given that we know she was already a walker it's still incredibly frustrating.
2) Fuck Bonnie and Mike as well. I get that Kenny seems unstable and has too much rage and they want to get away from him, but it's such a dick move for them to steal the car from under the others and take ALL the supplies, basically leaving them to starve to death. To be honest, it's also kind of weird that they're taking Arvo with them - it's one thing to show him basic decency, but he's not exactly someone they can trust, given how they were in a lethal conflict with his group and were keeping him prisoner up until then. Kenny's unpredictable, but he's still a safer ally to have than Arvo.
I had Clem drink when Jane offered, but I never actually talked to Bonnie outside so I didn't the chance to be offered a smoke.
How does she react to the alcohol?
@@kokoro_flow Like you'd expect a kid to react. She starts coughing because of the burn. Then Kenny stares daggers at her and Jane.
@@NoBadsignAh, good to know they made that aspect realistic.
Yes but the marie noises were still funny at the end 😭😭
Smoking and drinking both do have really rough long-term effects, but I kind of feel in settings where the life expectancy is barely even a tenth as long as you would need to *start* seeing any damage and have a far more serious threat of infection, getting eaten by zombies, violence, starvation, or exposure (comes to mind given the weather where the Walking Dead crew are at now) it kind of becomes a really moot point. Obviously you shouldn't do *either* if you can avoid it, but the net total damage is likely to be negligible... and arguably drinking has the worst side effects, depending on how heavily you get into it because of depression. A zombie apocalypse is *really* not the time to have any of your senses impaired. Which, to be fair, does include nicotine or caffeine withdrawal symptoms.
Anything harder then that is likely right out. There's some justification for the recreational aspect of it, but if you're already clean it's a lot easier/safer to *stay* that way. Of the two, though, nicotine is less likely to get you killed *in this specific scenario.* Stay safe and healthy, folks.
0:05 A tiny little Del Taco restaurant. For ants.
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0:45 Good shot Clem.
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2:25 The Bambi winter sequence.
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"A grand old time" eh Marie?
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5:00 Choice time Marie. Arbitrary as it might be...
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5:40 I love that because this is under water, the only real sound we'll hear in this sequence is Marie screaming.
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7:40 Wrong answer Arvo. I feel you, but that was not smart.
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9:05 That's what I want to know.
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11:50 Seems like Marie is making all the right choices. Insofar as you're able to in this game.
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16:05 Lee smiling down on Clementine as she becomes more and more like him.
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20:35 Seriously Jane? IT?
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21:00 "
I wouldn't be surprised by hardened apocalypse Clem chainsmoking
she SHOULDN'T but it wouldn't be surprising
I mean, it’s not like you can get addicted when there aren’t any cigarettes around. To be honest, I don’t even know where Bonnie got hers.
"I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!"
Does Marie ever know what to do? xD
SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE
"Hey Clem, when you're up & ready I'm gonna need you to patch this bullet wound, okay?"
I honestly didnt know that picking nothing would havw been a valid response lmao Marie is full of surprises
We’re in the final countdown folks!!!
im surprised zombies have enough mindfulness to know how to swim amazing in freezing water
when they can barely walk worth a shit and at best stumble REALLY fast if they feel like it.
EDIT: wow, i was wondering what was up with Arvo giving death glares to Clem the WHOLE
time when all that has happened between then is "please stop hurting him, he hasnt done anything to deserve this"
and then he just did THAT in cold blood???
also i guess its a very "Marie" thing for Marie to get shot in cold blood and blame herself😅
POOR MARIE 😭
i feel bad for kenny not because of sarita but because after that they show more of him being a grieving racist asshole than him seeing the baby as the last cause he would do anything to protect
21:03 Peasant Quest _> throw baby_ moment
That conversation with Clem and Kenny walking out to the truck is finally an opportunity for Clem to speak up. To say Kenny isn't right and he needs to stop with the way he's going.
SPOILERS for this video:
I know Arvo deceived our group, possibly with the intention to get them killed, but I don’t think he deserved to be beaten within an inch of his life.
HOWEVER, with the last moment of the last scene… He didn’t have to shoot her. He probably was paranoid, but that was uncalled for.
Since the walker tried to bite Clem under a frozen lake and there were several walking toward the group on the frozen lake, my theory is that there could be walkers eating humans in Wellington, too.
And AJ desperately needs to be kept warm. If Kenny gets his way with AJ, the baby will probably die from the cold and lack of infant formula.
PLEASE DON’T SPOIL FUTURE EPISODE(S) FOR ME!
When I first played, my thoughts on going to Wellington were that it made sense for a few reasons. One, we've already seen that going back the way they came doesn't give them any other supplies. Backtracking where they have already gone wouldn't help AJ. Howe's would have supplies, but that's farther away and could potentially still be overrun with Walkers. There's no good choice, but if Wellington is there it would be the thing they are closest to. That was my reasoning on siding with that idea at the time at least!
@@Lady_Yunalesca That makes sense. :)
I rly should just learn when marie plays a series, most likely everyone will die 😅😂
Luke was my favorite character, and fuck that death felt pointless. Like why did he have to die then. I had a feeling he die but he was kinda the heart of the crew and for him to die that way it pissed me off. I get it, but like they could have killed another and then had him die later due to being hurt. I just hated how they did it here.
The writting in the episodes was kinda bad. Like i see why season 2 gets hate.
Ok after learning from stuff I found out that luke was meant to live and be involed later in a big moment but ummm... lets just that got leaked and also a fan kept on harrasing the developer to keep him a alive so they killed him. Still like they did it in the worst way possible and ruined the potential of his character as it was clear where it was leading up to. Gosh I hate that death.
sorry i don't trust kenny one bit anymore :( even if he would never lay a hand on clementine or AJ (that's kinda debatable though) he's just way too violent
For me, it's not so much violence as it is his priorities. You have Clem freezing to death and you choose to beat up Arvo instead of getting a fire started.
@@NoBadsign > You have Clem freezing to death and you choose to beat up Arvo instead of getting a fire started.
IMO this is entirely a writing problem not a kenny problem... Nobody really gives a single F about clem apart from jane getting wood because plot needs her to.
Beating the kid was too far yes but for everyone to be in love with Arvo when he refused to cooperate several times is a joke.
Clem was nice to Arvo from the start, yet he fuckes with them till the very end all because jane took his gun and let him go.
Yeah kenny is unstable but you have to understand the man has been beaten as low as he can be... Not a single adult grew a pair of balls, took charge or took point with Arvo.
Kenny has lost more than most of them can even fathom and hasn't had a single moment to cope with his skull getting bashed in or grieve the loss of his 2nd partner.
Bonnie and Mike disgust me... Especially when you consider the fact that Kenny was happy with his small group in the ski lodge and those guys knowingly dragged Carver to his door.
@@NoBadsign Another priority of his was chasing a a bound, limping teenager, who really wouldn't have gotten very far, instead of making sure his fellow group members made it across the ice safely. He was too far away to help the most vulnerable members of the group when they got into trouble - something that also happened when the herd attacked. If Jane hadn't intervened, AJ and Clem would both be dead.
Kenny sucked in the first game but he's so much worse here.
Wow Marie how could you do this
Oh god no I don’t love mess anymore if Clem is involved 😢
I totally understand siding with Kenny- the game wants you to and I did my first playthrough- but now, as an adult, I just can’t trust a man who’s otherwise racist, violent, and a liability to the group’s cohesion, even if he puts on a nice face when he’s talking to you- it’s the biggest red flag 🚩
In the moment you can’t trust Kenny. The game writes him to be all reflective after the fact to win you over with him, but even in season 1 Kenny is an awful person in the heat of the moment and then only when the shit stops hitting the fan does he realize he is a piece of shit himself.
The “Kenny is racist” dialogue is so reductive of his character. He has one line in one episode of the first season that is inarguably racist and it is very clearly a joke the writers are telling the audience to laugh at Florida man’s expense. Kenny does have a lot of issues, but it’s always colored with his good traits, the person he wants to be, that push through when he’s not under intense stress. The problem he goes through in the second season is the stress never stops. Season 1 is over months, season 2 is over a few weeks at most.
When I first played the game in high school, I went the opposite way. I was against Kenny for most of the first game and against him in this one even more. He does the things that are ‘video game bad’ options, so siding against him is the ‘good’ path. As an adult, seeing that people are more complex than a single axis morality scale, I can’t find myself siding against Kenny.
WTF
...Marie... :/