Using His Own Sperm - Law & Order
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From Season 5, Episode 15 "Seed" - The probe of a woman's attempt on her husband's life leads to a fertility doctor with a high rate of success.
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One of the golden rules of law and order, if there's a fertility doctor 9/10 times he's the baby daddy.
Well between Law and order, SVU and Criminal intent there are at least one episode with the Dr. using his own baby gravy.
@@ashh4929 I believe there is also a blue bloods episode about it
@@MommyKhaos More than likely. These shows usually follow a pretty steady plot formulas.
This was based on a true case!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson
I love Jill's reaction when she realizes the good Doctor are the babies' daddy.
I love her reaction too can't say i blamed her for it I would react the same way
That'll be one of hell of Maury Episode
@@ladiiblue2u634 so true 🤣
@@TheSuigin1 facts
right lmao
I like the subtle hint where they say the donor is Roman Catholic and Dr Gilbert says keeping secrets from him is like "going to confession and not telling the whole story"
Great catch...👍
Why would they share the religion of the donor? Their religion doesn’t affect the kid at all. Religion isn’t genetic. It doesn’t affect them at all.
Good catch I recall that sicko saying that in the beginning!!
@@rachelcookie321 Catholics believe god wants them to have as many children as possible hence it being mentioned.
@@rachelcookie321 maybe as a sign that the guy is a devout catholic therefore have good morals/living a clean life. But even still morality isn't exactly genetic.
I’m surprised that that after a certain point, they just didn’t go leak the story to the press. Even if they can’t get him legally, they at least destroy his business.
Ikr cause he could’ve still been doing this while they were investigating him
That would be very illegal. Medical records are not allowed to be given to any unauthorized persons
This is very common in this industry, and it’s not even illegal in most states. Testing the sperm isn’t even required neither is having a accurate medical history.
Because they would have been sued into oblivion for invasion of privacy
@@TheMrcbritt2No, yhey just give the DNA evidence to the babies' parents and let them press charges/sue the doctor to oblivion (it Iks not invasion of privacy because it is their own medical files, and the doctor can't keep them from disclosing what happened to themselves at hus clinic. He also can'tclaim defamation or libel/slander brcause it is true).
“No criminal record” well not *yet*
If I recall, he ended the episode without a criminal record.
TheStapleGunKid well that’s fricking stupid
D R A M A T I C I R O N Y
@@UnderTheTableGremlin ikr he should have been arrested for murder
Didn't this happen recently? A grown woman discovered that her biological father was her parents' fertility doctor. He had the gall to tell her she turned out OK, so he does not understand why she is upset. Of course her family sued, and others if I recall.
yeah, he has some odd 90 kids bc of it
This happens a lot.
There was/is a fertility doctor in Indiana that did this. There was a Netflix documentary done on it.
So they're just gonna ignore the fact that cystic fibrosis is an incredibly serious medical condition, and while the babies wont have it, its possible THEIR babies could? K
Like the lab doctor explains, it'd only happen if the babies hooked up with someone else who has it-
- such as one of their half-siblings by Dr. Delbert. Yes, CF is bad, but that's on top off these kids having committed *incest* with a half-sibling.
And that's very plausible because Delbert's patients would have never known they all had the same sperm donor, with medical privacy laws keeping Delbert's identity secret. It's only because the NYPD and DA were investigating him that they found out.
They said they were just a CARRIER which means no symptoms, no disease. Huge risk if any of these half-siblings ever met and decided to have kids together.
They can notify the parents of this recessive gene, and then the parents inform the grown children when they are looking for possible life partners to check. I dunno.🤷
You guys are forgetting the normal amount of CF gene carriers that would naturally be in the area. It's not just incest, its pairing with anyone who happens to also carry the gene, and assuming the babies future children can also be carriers of the gene, if this were real then this guy has basically created a new hot spot for CF.....
@@javierpatag3609 Here's another thing. They've found in studies that siblings (half or otherwise) that don't know about each other have a weird attraction/connection to each other. And tend to hop into bed with each other if they're not told quickly.
This is based on true stories. Over the years several fertility doctors in the USA UK Canada Germany and 2 in Russia were charged with doing this. All since have lost their licences to practise.
All since 1994
I remember this episode and it really was based on true events.
No wonder are women are going online
But they gained themselves a few families to choose from.
Yeah that’s true of many episodes genius
Spoilers
Essentially, the Doctor technically got away with it, but the team really did try everything to get him. Since there is no illegal crime or witness who wants to come forward, the Dr. Gilbert is safe. The one family who could come forward don't because of a sad and a bit twisted reasoning.
They don't want to because it would reveal that their second child was merely conceived on the basis to save their first sick child with Leukemia. They didn't have matching bone marrow, so they placed their odds with Gilbert to help them conceive a child with matching marrow, but it was already impossible because it's Gilbert's sperm, not the fathers, so it was never gonna work. The Leukemia child passed away eventually, while their second child is still living. The parents want to testify because Gilbert essentially lied to them which they believed caused their daughter to die, but they don't want to admit that they only had their second child just for the parts.
So they would rather save their own skin than prosecute a criminal?
@@dusksunsetio6042 Pretty much, they don’t want their kid finding out he’s merely spare parts
so question is there an episode in a later season or something where they did end up testifying and he gets what's coming to him, or no?
@@pokefan213 As far as I’m aware, no. But knowing the law of averages, someone is gonna find out
@@MrBda241 That is so sad for the second kid. Why only have a child for spare parts? That's so dehumanizing.
The fact that the doctor used his own sperm and the law would actually protect him (which this episode actually is saying...) is disgusting.
Not from child support payments, it wouldn't~😈😈😈
really, im betting the donees still can sue him.
I just watched a new program that exposed a fertility doctor who did exactly what "Dr. Delbert" did. The law is protecting him too....
The doctor was using the American constitution and privilege as shields according to the show. Eugh.
masakasama, judge not, lest ye be judged.
when i heard CF carriers my heart practically stopped. Im a carrier and it's anxiety induicing when it comes to wanting a child, especially if you dont know if the donor and you are carriers
I would say adopt then. I plan to adopt, I have the RA gene in my family and my dad died of it and he died in agony, I am not putting my babies thru that.
How do you know if you are a carrier? Do you have to go in and ask for a specific test for it? I imagine they would test it and tell you if you donated sperm or eggs. But how does someone know if they’re not donating anything?
CF patient here; when I was born, CF genetic testing was uncommon. These days, it is much more relevant. That being said, oftentimes carriers go undetected, due to no prior history of CF in the family, which is what happened to me.
@@justinkrizenesky Well, you won't be missing much when you're gone. In fact, you'll be leaving this planet at the perfect time. We're heading for a full financial collapse.
Part of the attempted prosecution on Dr. Delbert involved a hearing in family court in which, if memory serves, McCoy was applying to be named temporary guardian ad-litem of one of the Delbert babies in order to gain DNA evidence, and when Delbert's lawyer at the hearing accused McCoy of arrogance, Jack's reply was worthy of being classed with the best Briscoisms of the show: "Arrogant? Arrogant is creating your own race of people."
Oh my god.....i feel SO bad for the CF carriers. Imagine finding ur soulmate and they turn out to be ur half sibling then your baby gets CF cause of you
Unfortunately, it has happened more than once around the world. Very heartbreaking
Doesn’t even need to be your half sibling though. If you’re a CF carrier then if you get with anyone else who is also a CF carrier then your kid will get it. You don’t need to be related.
They don't need to be half siblings, just a carrier.
17 bottles of champaine and 8 bottles of scotch..Oh that's gonna be a fun christmas when that rolls around
Or an EPIC relapse if he's in A.A.
They really should have started playing the song "Bette Davis Eyes" right after the woman said "he's got Bette Davis Eyes".
I hate that song so much. Radio stations played it 24/7 until I began to hate it
@@foolishdrunk2181 Well I wasn't around in 1981 when it was released, but if I was, I would have been happy to hear radio stations playing it all the time. It's a great song.
I began singing that song, too. I love it.
What/who is bette davis?
@@electroskates2434Actress from the Golden Age of Hollywood.
That look of discuss as she realises what that doctors done is priceless
Not as much as the conversation topic at the table before they order lunch/dinner.
I was (and still am) considering artificial insemination...and was online one day reading reviews of a particular clinic. One of the good reviews - a *good* review - mentioned how grateful she was that the doctor had double-checked to make sure she was using the correct donor vial...because it turned out the nurse had brought them the wrong vial. 😱
@Amilah A...what?!
A *gasp* ...SIBLING???!!!
😱😱😱😱😱
Y'know, I'm fine w/that. I have two siblings and they're great. I *hope* my kid has a lot of siblings.
@Amilah Sure, most kids without two parents yearn at some point for another parent. Just like most kids with two parents yearn at some point to *not* have two parents. The grass is always greener on the other side. And btw, I've actually known plenty of people who grew up in single parent households who couldn't care less that they didn't have two parents.
@Amilah Actually, they have registries where siblings can contact each other. The kids really love meeting their bio brothers/sisters for the first time and comparing what they have in common. Of course there's a chance a sibling might hate the others...but there's also the chance an in-house sibling might hate their brother or sister. As for encouraging incest...that's already a problem for people who aren't aware their father isn't their birth father because the mother had an affair. It's kinda scary how many people are unaware of their lineage and could potentially hook up with an unknown sibling. At least my kid will *know* there's that issue, and if he/she hasn't met all fifteen (or whatever the cap is; it depends on the bank) of their siblings, they'll know to look out for signs they could be related. Worst case scenario, there's always a blood test.
@Amilah Single mothers by choice tend to weigh the pros and cons and really consider the act of having kids a lot more than anyone else. But I do agree with you that most people don't plan well and it usually hurts their kids.
@@rustinstardust2094 ÆÆÆ
The two ladies are so sweet at the beginning. So happy too.
It was so charming to see them, especially in the time period that the episode aired ^~^
Although I would’ve given her a concerned look and ask “was your father not a good dad?”
People don't think that Doctors can be monsters. There's Mengele and Papa Doc Duvalier. Before they became monsters they were Doctors trying to save lives. I also recall that a Doctor in my home state did the same thing as the Doctor in the show. His practice was here in Idaho. I encourage people to look it up.
This case was based on the Cecil Jacobson case. Exactly what he did here: fraud, inseminated women with his own sperm. But that happened in Utah.
My neighbor is badly brain damaged from an auto accident when his father was driving.
The father was on coumadin. Unregulated. His doctor had retired, did not set up the father with a new doc to monitor the drug. The doctor retired out of state.
My neighbor is a lovely person, and had years of being undamaged before the accident and I think some of that has stayed with him.
But he's 100% disabled and several times he's been badly ripped off, suckered into helping with fraud. If our local police weren't compassionate he'd probably be in jail.
@@veralenora7368 Try this episode from Season 1: ua-cam.com/video/RJHsuwesDR8/v-deo.html
I am aware that doctors can be jerks and such because some have been like that to my girlfriend. Yes thyroid issues and has a tendency to go back and forth between being hypo and hyper. For a long time, some of the doctors you went to we're saying that radiated iodine is the only solution for her, even though it might make her radioactive for a little bit and would increase her chances of developing some kind of cancer. It made her extremely anxious, terrified, and got her crying through the night.
But she was able to get a second opinion and what suggested surgery for her thyroid. Well she'll need to be able to take meds to treat the hypothyroidism that comes after the surgery, taking those meds the only downside to that. So, why there definitely are some doctors that are jerks, there are still those who are good.
@@javierpatag3609 #RippedFromTheHeadlines
Who else is rewatching law and order through these clips 😆
me🙋♀️
"We owe it all to Dr. Delbert."
😄Much more than you think.
Whoa, listen to Logan talk around the 1:25 mark. They clearly dubbed in "Dr. Delbert" with another voice. And immediately after. It's hilarious!!
Yeah, I've noticed that in a few episodes recently. I have to wonder if the original name used had to be changed. But some of the recent clips have had ADR in them.
@@TataruTaru the original was Gilbert
Nice catch. I knew something sounded off in that scene 😂
4:17 is the most noticeable in my opinion.
She was so gullibly confident in her doctor that never once she raised an eyebrow if her 'husband" fitted those requirements? *Fabrication is a keyhole away from manipulation.*
Right who’s that confident in a doctor
Love these Dilbert dubs.
Yeah, what's up with that?
Drink every time you hear a dubbed “Delbert”! 🍻
You'd get alcohol poisoning 🤪
I'd get drunk, I think.
Whyyyyy though is it dubbed????
You'd get drunk even if you take a SIP!!
LOL
this is probably one of the most messed up episodes of law and order i’ve ever seen
It's based on factual events.
mydogsioux you’re kidding...... oh my god i just threw up in my mouth a little wtf
@@phan-2187 yeah apparently there were a few cases in which multiple doctors did this to their patients. One guy had 100 biological kids, and was only caught when a daughter tried doing an ancestry test with her dad.
@@phan-2187 Dr. Cecil Jacobson en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson
There were some messed up episodes in Law and Order:SVU, too.
What I cant figure out is why a doctor would use his own sperm instead of a donor. Is it some kind of power trip? What exactly is he getting out of it?
He wants what is biologically programmed into all humans, especially males: to spread his genes. Best of all, he gets kids, but doesn’t have to care for any of them. It’s totally sick, but there’s an obvious motive here
Actually is cheaper for the doctor to use his own sperm that paying anonymous doners.
Martina y wouldn’t they just put those costs into the treatment costs ??
The doctor is a narcissist, plain and simple. He gets satisfaction out of watching grateful new moms with their ‘miracle’ babies- knowing all along, the babies are his.
@@martinay5287 And not having to pay for HIV testings services.
That's gonna be one hellva child support check he'll get
6:52 Jill Hennessy was so beautiful and a short-haired brunette.
Gosh I miss Kincaid. Her out of nowhere death is heartbreaking.
Same
"Is that all you found" he says as he looks casually at the menu. I love it! Jack's a rare breed.
3:14 where's the "dun dun"?
Based on a true story. A doctor used his own for years
I hear that a lot if not all the episodes are based on true stories.
i wish this was on Netflix just like NCIS, i wish they would have done a crossover
I'm fascinated by the fact that every time someone says the name of the doctor it's been dubbed over. Sometimes very poorly. What could have changed between filming and going to air? Did they find a doctor with the same name at the last minute? It couldn't have changed too much because you can see they're saying roughly the same thing in some close ups where they dub over the original line.
After hitting up IMDB it seems the name was originally "Gilbert" but was changed to "Delbert" at some point in syndication but sometimes the original audio comes up as "Gilbert" while the location card that flashes during the "duh-duh" still says "Delbert". There's no reason given but the only thing that could necessitate a change like this had to be an actual doctor with that name not wanting to be associated with the episode. Maybe there's something else but that's the only thing I can think of.
I am so glad someone else noticed this, I thought I was going crazy
Rip Jerry Orbach
"Dr. Delbert..."
"I talked to Barzini..." (Moe Green)
That was me. Both times.
Every person deserves to know who his siblings are, they didn't choose to severe ties. And yes NYC has millions of people but these children would be similar in age and as siblings share many commonalties. That narrows the chances significantly of their meeting at some point over the course of say 60 years. What about the moral hazard of enabling two people to unintentionally engage in incest?
That guy at Hudson Labs has enough good booze for a good long while. If anyone, he's the real winner in this episode.
That second doctor actor is on the good wife/fight as a lawyer its cool to see him younger.
Logan was also on that show
Specifically, he plays David Lee, a family law specialist.
She's right...she owes it ALL to Dr. Delbert
So did they change the name of the Doctor? It really sounds like Logan is dubbed whenever he mentions Dr Delbert
It was originally Gilbert.
Yah, watch the previous two clips from this episode. You'll see the same thing.
I didn't catch that until you pointed it out! Excellent catch!
So why they changed it?
@@rand2002 jewish name is Gilbert.
That thumbnail: When you tell her your pregnant.
Gay
"Crazy Adventures with Sperm" is the plot of at least 10% of the episodes of the original Law and Order, and it at least 70% of the episodes of SVU.
If a fertility doctor is introduced in act 1, then he must be baby daddy by act 3.
- Checkovs Doctor probably
I still remember watching a documentry about the sperm donation industry and they had a donor who was donating 3 times a week because he was a popular request. His main complaint is that it put a damper on his relationships for the past few years because he couldn't sleep with his girlfriends so that he could have enough juice to donate. The place he was donating to though was like a brokerage for sperm and sent the stuff around the US and a few other countries. Some of the other fathers had like 200 kids all over because they were considered desirable.
Ahhh the 80s and 90s and the AIDS crisis. I lived through that era.
1:09 love how she looks straight into the camera
the fact this is literally a true story is insanneee
"he gave us dennis" Imagine having a miracle child and deciding to name them Dennis
Briscoe: "I wonder which mommy is gonna teach him to smoke and drink."
Logan: "... and shave."
XD
Unfortunately, this part was cut out...
Yeah, I remember they were walking out from the women's apartment and said those dialogue. I guess it's a bit judgemental for today's standards.
It should have been kept in
@@123haninhk I always took it as their comeback on the mother's negativity about men.
UA-cam would shut down the video for homophobic jokes🤣🤣.
@@clashfan2875 yeah thats pretty much it.
6:25 his expression, he's not surprised at all 😂😂😂
1:12 i have to say they look adorable together omaii
I never tire of Lenny's cynicism
LOL How obvious is that post-production dub in at 1:26 idk if he swore there originally or what, but you can totally hear how flat the audio gets all of a sudden and it is too funny
I'd love to see full episodes of law and order posted to UA-cam.
This doctor was on straight demon timing the whole episode 😈😈
Jordan Cavanaugh!!! #CrossingJordan!!!! I love her
Thank you!! I was trying to remember the name of the show!! I loved it too!
Annastasia McAlear same!
They must have changed the name of the doctor at some point. Pretty much every time someone says “Dr. Delbert” you can tell it’s been redubbed in post.
Was this based on the actual Dr. Cline case?
Maybe the best Law & Order episode.
Man, svu really took the good episodes from the OG show
Yeah
All L&O shows (Original, SVU, Criminal Intent, etc) like to recycle plots and actors.
*And* there's the whole "ripped from the headlines" basis for episodes in the franchise.
There's quite a few real cases of fertility doctors that used their own sperm, this episode was probably loosely based on one or more of them.
Thats xactly my point.
Then the laugh. 😆
I miss jerry. Wonderful actor.
Are we going to ignore the clear changes of the name Delbert every time it’s said you can tell a bit was cut out to put Delbert in 1:27
I was interested in the CF info- a childhood friend of mine was one of those unlucky 4- both parents were carriers - he passed away of complications when he was 17....
New York is One Big Happy Family!
2:37 It’s like bad science fiction. And I should know since I was in Robocop 3.
Not her character no
Alright, I know it is a serious show, but it feels like a SNL sketch. They go back and tell the parents the truth, and the parents are happy the sperm is from a doctor.
It's based on a real case. SNL did a skit with John Goodman on the real case.
As a J/C shipper, I love the scene at the restaurant, where he says she'll be paying for the meal. That's not something a boss says to a subordinate... :D
No but Claire's face in the thumbnail gets me every time 😂😂😂
I'm also a J/C shipper ❤️❤️
@@electroskates2434 Squeeeeee!!! Miss that one, for sure. Did you have any other L&O 'ships? I'm also a Mike and Connie shipper.
@@kirstinmorrell I guess the others as well that happened like Connie/Mike snd Liz/Logan but I don't know alot about them so I'm so J/C 😍 And recently I found a site that had *all* the proof that J/C had an affair!
@@electroskates2434 share please?
@@GosieKin It's called evidence of the affair, but it's only available on the internet archive now. Go to the law & order subreddit and you'll see a few posts on this topic, I believe linked to in the side navigation bar. Someone took the list and got video clips of almost everything.
That’s gonna be one hell of a family reunion.🤪
The colors are really.... great in this scene/episode. I don't know what it is. The analog recording and it's diluted colors.... just looks really good.
This clip cut out the best part:
“I wonder which mommy is gonna teach him to smoke; or drink.”
😆
Claire wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in that restaurant, was she?
rip
that dubbing was smooth..
lol
Wow it really happened in real life ❣️
One of the best episodes
This was such a good episode.
Old L&O is the best! Watching my 2nd fav ADA talk about spunk was a little hot.
I think this based off a real case. OH MY GOD!!! I'M SHOCKED
It is.
The Cecil Jacobson case.
You are quite correct.
A lot of Law and Order episodes are
They usually are but they don't specifically refer to that event it's based on probably for legal reasons.
just watched the rest of the episode and the voiceover has me dying! they really weren't able to pronounce the Dr's name so they had to do it in post 🤣 0:10 2:20 4:16 5:05 and then 1:30 couldn't they just reshoot the scene?
I don't think it was a pronounciation issue. I think it's more likely they ran into legal trouble with a real Dr Gilbert (original name) ..
Okay, I thought I was crazy!
It's amazing the level of production TV programs have achieved since they began. I mean production in how well developed the writing, the stories, the acting; everything. Totally targeted at enticing the viewer to watch and keep watching, and sell advertising time.
But why didn’t he use fake IDs to make them seem like different donor samples? It seems like such an obvious way to hide it. I guess he just felt he didn’t need to bother?
There's probably a database that traces the ID number back to a person, maybe he had to create multiple identifies the regular way.
Why isn't this on Netflix!!!!!!!!
It was, but it is gone along with SVU as well.
Its on Peacock
Dr. Gil- I mean "Delbert", wasn't too smart about falsifying records.
I just noticed they mentioned Ed McMahon showing up on his doorstep with a check. I read somewhere that even though I remember Ed Mcmahon commercials for PCH, it never happened. 🤷♀️
Anyone else notice they dubbed over the name of the doctor? 0:10 0:26 0:50 1:26 lol did the name they use initially belong to a real fertility doctor and they had to change it? not sure why else they would (poorly) dub over every instance of this character's name
I'm guessing there was a last minute name-change for Dr. "DELBERT". The ADR goes nuts.
Yeah, that'll make you hungry for dinner at a fancy restaurant.
Anyone else feel a bit sick when she had the realisation at the end?
this is why I have a problem with this type of treatment.
Whole new meaning to the phrase the sins of the parent become the sins of the child.
over 2 decades before "Our Father" on Netflix
This is like the main plot of the Fox show "Almost Family" where a young woman finds out her fertility doctor dad is behind a fraud after she, an only child, finds out she has siblings.
I was going to say the same thing! In fact, I've watched a few episodes of Almost Family. 😐🤔
Did they change delberts name after they filmed the original scenes or something? Cuz each time they say Delbert it sounds super off
In recent years there has been a doctor caught in Denmark doing the same thing & fathered 60+ babies. More recently a huge scandal in the Netherlands but this time they have traced 200+ to a donor who used multiple clinics, false names, had been caught earlier & the court ordered him to stop but then he started being more devious to continue. Was active over 15+ years from student days.
Now THAT'S how you write a title.
Jill Hennessy was the best Assistant District Attorney.
I agree with you.
All of these test could been done and over in minutes with a visit to the Maury show.
1:26 1:33 and 2:24 they dubbed over Logan’s lines whenever he says Delbert. You can hear a slight change in audio quality, and the background noise gets drowned out. Interesting, could be that when they first filmed the scene that Logan maybe pronounced Delberts name wrong. By the mouth flaps sounds like he says Dillbert.
I caught the differences
You can tell the "quality" of his voice CHANGES
GREAT episode
The real life doctor who also did this was his own daughter Gyno doctor just imagine that