Then again, back then it could be done, and flying so low, cabin on fire, clearly going to crash.... I mightve jumped too and hoped for anything to slow my landing.
Forrealz. I personally much rather brave the fire and smoke than falling. I have experience dealing with fire and I'm very unafraid of burning, but to have my final moments consist of an almost guarantee of death as I am consciously aware nothing is going to slow down my fall terrifies me.
Fires on airplanes are always horrific. I was an aircraft mechanic for Eastern Airlines, back in the days when it still existed. I remember an incident where a 727 came in with a lot of fire damage on the left side, behind the overwing exits. What had happened was a woman was smoking, back in the days when this was still a thing, while using nail polish remover. Somehow the nail polish remover spilled (probably had it standing on the tray table) which caused her to try to grab it in a panic. Somehow she dropped the cigarette and it touched off the nail polish remover, right as it was dropping through a vent on the side, near the floor. When the plane arrived in Miami, all the fire extinguishers were empty, including the water type, the fire axe was in a galley, and the sidewall near the incident looked a lot like the door that Jack (all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy) axed his way through in the movie "The Shining". In this case, the crew and passengers were able to overcome what could have been a very similar incident.
Smoking while messing with acetone is astonishingly stupid. It's amazing that idiot didn't get everyone on board killed. I was a smoker for many years, and even back when it was allowed I'd *never* smoke on an aircraft. I simply dealt with the "jitters" until we landed and were safely ensconced at the airport.
Interesting story! As a millennial my first thought when hearing "fire starting near passengers" is ill intent, but a combination of cigarettes and dumbness might actually be more likely!
Smoking while using nail polish remover reminded me of people smoking while putting petrol in their car, you might get away with it, but if you don't, you're in trouble... Sometimes I'm amazed that humanity still exists.
@@johannacxiii as a dumbass and a pyromaniac I can assure you fires start more easily with stupidity than they do with intent. Also never leave a magnifying glass uncovered near a window.
@@FinnishLapphund Tell me about it. Many years ago I worked part time in a gas station, and out of about one of every three shifts, I would see someone doing that. And of course I'd be the one to get abused when I asked them to put out their smoke, and even got physically threatened for it a couple of times. There's a lot of stupidity out there.
It's creepy that the guy who jumped apparently discussed this specific scenario frequently enough that his friends could tell anecdotes about it, probably because of the anxiety of flying. This was probably his literal worst nightmare. At least he stuck to his guns in the end.
I always take the Exit seat as it's more legroom. Today the crew actually briefs you on how to open the door, and the procedures to use (use your voice) so people can find the exit if smoke and sight in the dark is an issue!!.
Many people fear flying and loss of control in an emergency. With the millions of people using air-travel every year, it was just a matter of time before one would be in this kind of scenario. No prediction involved. I mean, if you ask a million drivers what they would do if their car lost control while driving on a cliff side road, and the car was heading towards the dropoff, most (all most likely) would say they would jump out rather than stay inside and hope to survive the crash. That doesn't mean that they predicted the accident if that actually happened.
@@melodiefrances3898 I responded to someone who specifically said he predicted it. Probably the same person who already deleted a comment someone else responded to by the looks.
I really don't get guy's logic: I am scared of dying in a plane but falling to the rapidly rising ground on my lonesome into a wooded area? Yeah, that I can hack. Maybe in his final moments he discovered something he was more afraid of than flying/falling: fire.
@@DinoCism I have a bit of a fear from flying, but it's rather illogical - I'm concerned about my lack of control should anything go wrong; my fate is entirely in the pilot's hands, so in a way I totally get the idea of risking it and just jumping out.
@@DinoCism he probably had more chances jumping out than crashing and dying in a freaking crash or fire, i remember the story of a girl that survived a considerable fall from a plane
@@travian821 there is the story of Juliane Koepcke who was the sole survivor of a plane crash in the Amazon. I think she also had to survive about nine days alone in the Amazon before being found.
Fight or flight response, it’s literally genetically encoded in us. The situation in the plane was hopelessly overwhelming, triggering a fear response so deep within there was no chance of overcoming/fighting it, so he took “flight “ to escape it. Flight is a poor choice of words here, but I didn’t coin the term. Poor soul.
@@dmacrolens While a corrections officer I knew an inmate who had been a fireman at the Boston DC 10 crash. He told me he stumbled around finding nothing but pieces of body parts until he came across a little girl about 3 years old. She didn’t seem to have a scratch just laying there. He scooped her up then found she felt like picking up a water balloon. He told me he just fell on his knees bawling and they had to drag him off the scene useless thereafter. He wasn’t the brightest bulb on the tree but I believed him. So yea those things will rock you.
The resident making her house a base camp for investigators and salvage crews reminds me of the Lockerbie disaster. Residents there virtually adopted relatives and investigators. They fed them, did their washing, took them into their homes for days if not weeks. Lifelong friendships were formed... Just sometimes, I have hope for our human race.
The response of the people of Lockerbie is all the more extraordinary when you consider the size of the crater that 747 made in the middle of town and the 11 residents who were killed in its making. They literally had their own problems to worry about.
I used to work at the Knoxville airport and my manager's dad worked recovery for this crash. He said that he approached a man sitting up against a tree from the side who was staring into the forest and called out to him, but when he got close enough realized the man had been cut off at the waist. Plane crashes are horrifying. I had no idea this one was never really solved.
@@madtrucker0983 that was gold! I left a main comment saying, omg my best friend was one of the survivors of that crash! I’m just waiting for bites😂😂😂😂 Karen fishn
In remembrance to the victims: Captain Oliver Ellsworth Sabatke, 41 First Officer Charles L. Young, 35 Flight Attendant Virginia Kay Vollmer, 21 Flight Attendant Carol Lynn Berndt, 21 Majorie Maxwell Anderson, 39 Robert Berg Anderson, 6 Nancy Lee Anderson, 9 Linda Susan Baker, 11 James Harrison Burroughs, 34 Mary Elizabeth Wood Chesney, 71 Robert Ralph Cramer, 36 Michael John Cross, 36 Burton Edward Crowder, 38 Durant H. Da Ponte, 46 Selmar Denver Ford, 50 Philip H.W. Geisler, 38 Robert Selders Hall, 50 Richard Harper Jr., 4 Freda Ruth Harper, 29 Harry Avis Hall, 64 Roger Alexander Hanger, 48 Paul Terry Hester, 24 Joseph Newton Hobbins, 36 Robert Henry Levin, 30 Alfred Leitner, 31 George L. Leupold, 59 John Joseph McHale Jr., 32 Frank J. O’Brien Jr., 23 Samuel Patrick Orleans, 64 Paul G. Pohl, 62 Ruth Jean Pohl, 45 Elizabeth Mary Richardson, 44 Paul Boyd Roark, 28 George Stephen Roeschen, 17 Lawrence D. Schaffer, 33 Hugh Morrisett Taylor Jr., 38 Frank Tosca, 45 William Whittaker, 84 Roger M. Stuart, 32
A crash that is somewhat similar but even more horrifying in my mind is Flight 2120 in 1991. Investigators determined that due to more than one tire being underinflated, a tire was on fire when it lifted off, so when the gear was retracted the lower part of the cabin was set on fire. The crew didn't realize they had a problem immediately, but when they declared an emergency and turned back it was too late. The cabin was full of smoke and flames so the passengers were panicking, then when the gear was lowered in preparation for landing, the plane started coming apart because its structural integrity was lost. Eleven miles from the airport and several thousand feet in the air, people were falling out of the plane, and it crashed soon after in a comet-like blaze. No survivors. Air Disasters did a segment about it in their third season. The final report blamed the organization--they had managers making decisions based on money who knew little about safety. Apparently the pilots were not told about the underinflation and the documents were "corrected" to make it look like everything was peachy when the plane took off.
@@Vid_Master An underinflated tyre's sidewalls and tread flex much more and generates heat in the carcass. Given the huge forces and speed an aircraft tyre experiences it's not hard to see how this happened. Feel a car tyre after high speed running then imaging what an aircraft tyre must feel like even under normal operating conditions.
Where I grew up, there's a park about 5 minutes away from me where a plane crashed and in the final minutes of the pilots life, he crashed the plane into the then open space, barely missing hundreds of houses. It was so close that the crash is only one street turn away from all the houses. My grandmother, two aunt's, and my mother lived and grew up in the house barely missed by the crash. Just, imagine knowing you're going to die, and with your last few seconds of life you choose to save hundreds. There's a memorial there, and although I wasnt born when it happened, I still visit the memorial and cry for all the names of the dead.
He’s not the only pilot to deliberately manoeuvre his crashing aircraft away from inhabited areas to avoid people on the ground. Every airline pilot would prefer to do that in their final moments.
@@oahuhawaii2141 Touché. The Germanwings nutter comes to mind. But then there was Matthew Bell, first officer of UPS Flight 6 from Dubai. A fire started and maintained by lithium batteries in the cargo hold crippled the 747. He spent the last few minutes of his life in a hot cockpit blinded by chemical smoke so thick he couldn’t see his instruments or controls, his captain dead beside him after fire damage cut the air supply to his mask, desperately trying to land it blind using outdated speed and altitude information being relayed from ATC via another aircraft. After overshooting the runway, most likely knowing what lay beyond it after many flights in and out, his very last act was to tilt the crippled elevator just enough to nudge the aircraft over a tall apartment complex where hundreds of people were sleeping due to it being nighttime. After clearing the top of the building, it crashed into a bunch of empty warehouses meaning only he and the captain died. Always felt a profound sympathy towards him. He suffered terribly in the last few minutes of his life, all alone yet in his final moments he saved hundreds.
I love how the town rallied around the victims to keep their memory alive and helped in the recovery efforts. That speaks volumes about the kind of town that is. We need more towns and more people like that in this world today!!
I believe there are many people and communities/towns that are good, like this town. The problem is that the negative gets more air time because supposedly it sells better.
Flight 823 is one of aviation's great mysteries. The Viscount is (well, was) a reliable aircraft (yes there were a lot of incidents but the survival rate was very good for passengers) and as mentioned the crew on this flight were first-class aviators. It just goes to show that sometimes "stuff" just happens.
No matter how "good" you are (or ever become), there are some few things out there you just can NOT do anything about. That's not to say there's no point in trying or that you can even quit for any reason. The "correct" answer is always "hope"... and keep swinging... keep TRYING. ;o)
One if the Great mysteries ,when it comes to plane crashes,was the crash of a military aircraft, I think was military, it crashed either in Alaska or the Pacific Northwest, I don't remember which but the strange thing was although there was blood on some if the remains of the aircraft and it was clear there were no survivors, no one was ever found...living or dead,it was as if the bodies just vanished.
It’s just occurred to me that there’s that final moment when the recovery and investigation and cleanup is over and the last person leaves the crash site. It becomes silent and empty again. There’s something very sad about that.
I'm a paramedic and I have been on several small aircraft accidents. It is very bizarre at the very end of the “call” On the incidents, paramedics have to do a stand-by until it's complete. My worst was responding to a downed 6 seater. The very worst experience.
An interesting point of view I had not considered! It's like...all their lives were just swept up and put away and now back to business as usual. It doesn't seem right, somehow.
The accident - what, with a missing passenger falling from the plane and an in-flight fire - bears striking yet eerie similarity to the Nigerian Airways flight 2120 disaster which happened over Jeddah. It was the deadliest accident involving a DC-8 and I find it extremely interesting to research. Perhaps the cause of that accident - a fault in a landing gear which lead to a fire in the landing gear well that rapidly spread - could be the cause of this one? I would 100% watch a video about it with your awesome narration and storytelling style!
But the 1 at Jeddah was right after takeoff, after a long and very hot taxi. This was at the end of the flight. The only thing, the 2 crashes have in common, is an in-flight fire, all the surrounding circumstances are completely different.
It also kind of reminds me of that one South African Airways 747 Combi that had a fire in the after hold over the Indian Ocean and broke up before the crew could get it over land. No one ever figured out what caused that fire either, although since it involved South Africa in the '80s, there were naturally conspiracy theories galore.
That "eerie" feeling you have is the childish fear of the Evil Bogeyman hiding beneath your bed which you never completely conquered as you matured into an adult.
@@ArtCurator2020 There's nothing wrong with what Sophia said. Your icon / name suggests you want to project an air of being intelligent and cultured. Insulting a stranger for no reason--especially someone who, by the Among Us icon, could very well actually be a teen--just makes you look insecure. Real intelligent, cultured people don't have to pick on kids to make themselves feel bigger.
Please do Speedbird 9! It's my favourite plane incident and has the world's biggest understatement: "Ladies and gentlemen, this is you captain speaking. All four engines have stopped and we're doing our damndest to get them going again. I hope you're not in too much distress."
So much respect for the community where the crash location was. Opening homes to clean up crews & investigators, holding memorial services on anniversaries of the crash, etc. They set the bar high for those in similar situations on how we should react to others in need of assistance.💟
I'm so glad you finally got to cover this story! It's almost never talked about, this happened not far from where I used to live. They have a small memorial where the crash happened if I recall. Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention!
Fun fact (I guess?) To maybe brighten your day. Airplane bathrooms still have ashtrays because they know they can't stop every smoker, somebody gonna sneak one in, but it they throw it in a trashcan, it will start a fire, so the ashtray reduces the risk.
I live right outside of Knoxville and this is the first time I’ve ever heard this story. Thank you for respectfully sharing this tragedy. Blessed Be. 💜🖤
The passenger who fell from the plane sounds a lot like a friend of my dad's. He was an attorney from Alabama who was afraid of flying, so he always sat on the emergency exit row. The only difference is he didn't die when his fears came true. One day, his flight either crashed or otherwise broke apart midair, and he landed, still in his seat, in the kitchen of a random family after crashing through their roof. He was pretty beaten up but ultimately was the sole survivor of the crash. My dad says that his friend never flew again after that
I knew a security police squadron commander in the air force who was taking his first flight in a helicopter. The engine failed and they had to autorotate, making a rather hard landing. After a year, with much convincing, he was persuaded to get into a helicopter a second time ("What are the odds it'll happen again?" they told him). Yep, the engine failed a second time--another autorotation, another hard landing. They couldn't get him near a helicopter again after that.
It came as a surprise to me that the "black box" was destroyed. I've had the ignorant assumption that in at least most cases they were literally fire and bullet proof. This one, Fascinating, was really evocative...I think because you early on detailed local witnesses. I've never doubted that investigating air crashes was traumatic for investigators, but somehow I've never envisioned the trauma suffered by those on the ground witnessing the horror. Also the list of those who toiled at an horrific task for days was evocative. People who weren't trained, who could never have imagined being a part of something so traumatic...and yet they "stepped up". The sad case of the desperate jump by the phobic passenger who saw all his nightmares coming true gave me memory visions of those jumping from the towers on 9/11. As always, kudos on your research, and even more on your usual respect for the victims. ...and...I think it's time you started planning what you're going to give us for the one million...personally, I'd love it if you would tell us what lead to your "Fascination" with these tragedies!
In 1964, "Black Boxes" were BRAND NEW in the US, especially on commercial flights. In fact, most flight recorders had been invented in just the past 20 years. While some, like the Australian model, were designed to survive crashes (the Australian model was designed mainly because the Comet, a type of aircraft popular in the mid-50's, kept disintigrating in flight), none were yet capable of surviving intense post-crash fires. Even today, a Black Box is only capable of surviving a fire up to 1,100° C (2,000° F) for 30 min. There was a crash in France where the FDR was destroyed because the French police took control of the scene and wouldn't let investigators in until the police did their investigation. They let the fire burn too long, and destroyed the info on the box. A hard enough crash can take them out too, but that's rare as well. But, in 1964, they weren't NEARLY as well protected as today.
@@Scorpioncactusflower I'm surprised they had any in '64 (when I was 5). I'm sure I watched a video in the last few days on one of two flight incident recreation channels where there was no FDD. (I've a shocking memory) Undoubtedly consisted of some kind of tape and a lot of mechanical parts. The photo shown didn't look very robust inside either. Yes, it would have been known to withstand far less than the ones of this century.
Even today, it isn't mandatory to have data recorders installed in ALL aircraft. To quote the NTSB website, "Large commercial aircraft and some smaller commercial, corporate, and private aircraft are required by the FAA to be equipped with two "black boxes" that record information about a flight." Back then, and possibly even now, this craft may be exempt depending on what 'large' meant.
@@Coolcartingyep I cannot believe they waited that long to ban smoking. In Europe it was even later. My husband had to fly to London on British Air in 1996 and he was squeezed into a seat between a cigar and a cigarette smoker. My worst nightmare! Ugh.
I used to live in Knoxville for a time. I heard stories that people who live near by will occasionally get ghosts at their houses asking how to get to the airport, saying they have to get to the plane and then disappearing. Or seeing people walk around the wreak site and again disappearing into thin air.
Pilot: "Uhh, this is your captain speaking, and while you are all aware of the bad news the good news is that you are completely justified in whatever panicked actions you have dreamed of. Personally, I will be activating all fire supression systems, throwing the windows open, and rushing the cabin with a fire extinguisher." Lawyer: "Well, this is my stop." *pulls door release and steps into the void
Oh, that poor man who jumped out of desperation. His worst nightmare coming true. It reminds me of those horrific scenes at the WTC on 9/11 of those poor souls falling or jumping. Another very respectfully and well told story.
Regarding the local residents, it is said humanity always finds its noblest side in the face of horror and death. All those people opening their homes to the searchers and investigators until the search was over, for days, if not weeks... families allowing perfect strangers into their lives, feeding them, housing them, without hesitation just in the hopes that it would allow someone who by a miracle survived the crash to be found and rescued, even if tragically the search was futile in the end... it is heartwarming.
I thought I'd seen air crash investigations on just about every US passenger flight since my dad started flying, and this is definitely a route he would've taken for business a little later on, but somehow I've never heard of it. As usual, you cover both the well-known and obscure disasters with attention, research and respect.
It's always a frustration when the flight and/or voice recorders are lost because there is so much valuable information on them. Although the information contained on them back in 1964 may not have added much to the investigation.
Dealing with insomnia, watched this to relax and fall asleep. Topic happened to be about my biggest fear: plane crashes. I'm clearly not going to sleep, lol. Thanks for the video.
@Temple that's why I won't get on a small airplane. A commercial flight crashes anywhere in the world, it gets reported. The small ones barely make the local news.
@@andreacook7431 lots of small planes are still used for commercial flights. And is that really your biggest issue with it? “Oh im dead but at least people will be aware of the accident i died in for at least a week before more important news occurs”
On of the things that made me seek a career in aviation was Robert J. Serling's book "Loud and Clear". It is an unstinting look at commercial aviation safety circa 1971. This is one of the accidents covered in this captivating book;it seems we're not a lot closer to a definitive cause for this one. If you can find a copy,it is well worth purchasing. Mr. Serling's analysis of this crash is fascinating. Prayers to the victims and families. 🎸🖖✈️
Went to check on this and realized there is ANOTHER flight 823 that crashed in 1957. This one took off from Laguardia airport in New York City, and within 60 seconds, crashed on the infamous Rikers Island, which is entirely a prison housing some of the worst offenders. Several inmates were released or had their sentences commuted because of their heroics in saving victims of the crash. How is this not talked about more often?
The cause of the Rikers Island crash also remains completely unelucidated to this day, though fortunately most of the crew and passengers survived (including the two pilots). Still, 20 lives were lost, and unlike the later 823 crash, it is generally assumed there was nothing wrong with the aircraft or on board until it struck the ground.
I knew one of the passengers. George Stephen Roeschen, age 17, was the son of my mom's best friend. Everyone called him Stevie. I've never forgotten him and how nice he always was to me. I was 5 years younger than him.
Another sobering video. Unanswered questions like this are always unsettling, but the fact is you can’t know everything. Still it’s amazing how much was uncovered considering how little was left. What a grim detail about the jumper. Fear makes us do terrible things.
My absolute worst fear. I had a group of friends fly to Peru a few years ago. A small fire happened in one of the engines(?) or the engine went out(?). My friend Nicole said the experience inside the plane was horrifying. People crying, screaming, praying, vomiting, etc. etc. Even though the captain and crew had expressed there was no immediate danger, people still panicked. I absolutely cannot imagine having a fire INSIDE the plane!!! Those poor people.
The picture at 0:55 is an NAC Viscount. NAC was New Zealand’s internal airline, it later merged with Air New Zealand. That’s my contribution to this for what it’s worth!
That was on my 9th birthday. I was stuck at home suffering with the mumps. I clearly remember the day. At some point I woke in a cold sweat thinking I had been in some kind of accident. I didn’t understand what kind of crash but everything had just exploded around me. I was shaken badly when I saw the tv report later about it. My mother didn’t know why I was so upset until she realized she had the radio on while I was sleeping nearby. I must have heard the newsflash and turned it into my own nightmare. To this day I get nervous when I get a fever.
The air of desperation aboard that flight must have been utterly horrific. I imagine most people are already a bit tense when flying. I can’t fathom the fear that comes with even a small fire on a plane, let alone one that progressed as this one did. The individual who opted to (apparently) jump from the plane really drives the point home. It brings to mind those who jump from burning buildings in a final desperate effort to save themselves in a moment of hopelessness. A particularly poignant example of this occurred when two men became trapped atop a burning wind turbine in the Netherlands. A picture exists of them embracing each other in their final moments before one of them leapt from the top and the other attempted to escape. Sadly, neither survived. Truly heart wrenching. While the cost in lives lost is far too great, at least there were improvements made to based on the findings of the crash. The changes in regulation and methodologies that are undergone after such disasters is truly a point of fascination for me. Similarly, it astounds me that so many disasters occur time and time again as a result of ignoring existing regulations that were designed to prevent the very same. As always, great video.
This is a UA-camr Iv been following for some time , one of the only I’m always happy to see a new video as they are always quality . Hope you get the 1 M soon FH !
Reminds me of the flight where the entertainment system malfunctioned and caused a fire to break out on board, and the captain tried fighting the blaze with the flight manual.
The "death by being thrown out of the plane alive" that often appears in reports of air accidents makes me even more fearful each time I see or hear the story, even though I know that there is a good chance that the person will lose consciousness on the way out of the plane. I am especially scared because the lawyer who jumped out of the plane in this accident has a phobia of flying and I have the same phobia.
This was an aircraft and route inherited in United Air Lines’ 1961 merger with Capital Airlines. I have an old aviation disaster book from the 70s which talks about this crash and the potential scenarios. One scenario had to do with the habits of the era. People smoked on airplanes back then extensively. Each meal tray included a small packet of cigarettes, additionally, women’s hair styles were “big,” using lots of hair spray to “set.” This author proposed that the fire could have started under seemingly innocuous circumstances such as a passenger lighting a cigarette next to a woman spraying her hair spray. I thought that was an interesting theory,
@@chrisnorman9980Yup. Loud and Clear was the first book I checked out from the library when I was given access to the grown up section of the local library in 5th grade, I think. Great book. It was also here that I first read about Toni Ketchell, the only surviving crew member in the AA 383 crash in CVG in 1965. Toni would later become a good friend, and played a pivotal role in my life. Little did I know as a 5th grader that I would get to meet her.
It’s actually really impressive to me that that one guy could accurately predict how he would act in an emergency. A lot of people talk big game about how they would do this or that to try to survive, but realistically speaking, most of us would just freeze up or blindly follow the crowd as our thinking processes would be hampered by panic. This guy said “I’d jump.” and then he followed through on that.
I flew Viscounts for five years. Got 1500 hrs on them. Wonderful aircraft to fly. Very docile and easy. Looking at the cockpit in the video. Some idiot put the weather radar either next to captain or first officer instead of middle. One of ours had same layout fortunately the others all had radar in the middle so both pilots could monitor the weather. Many happy memories flying them.
It's worth noting that while the Viscount had been in service for a number of years in the UK and Europe it was a relative newcomer in the US. At the same time America's first Turboprop airliner, the Lockheed L-188 Electra had been experiencing a series of fatal incidences which were later found to be related to a defect in the wing box. Public confidence in turbo props was not bolstered by the Viscount crash.
Remember people smoked on airplanes back then (whose crazy mind thought THAT was a good idea??) and someone may have had a cigarette ignite something flammable, even something like paperwork or clothes. If people panic and don’t react properly during a small fire it can quickly become a large fire.
Small towns are close-knit places and when something like this happens it affects them just as much as the relatives. So many of them had to endure the aftermath and the "rescue".
It compounds the misery of such tragedies when the circumstances cannot be identified, presenting the possibility that it might repeat sometime in the future, causing further suffering.
My probable cause is as follows. Back in those days smoking was permitted in all flights. I remember flying in the late 70s and L1011, 727 etc had ashtrays in the seats armrest.maybe someone smoked in the rear bathroom, discarded the cigarette in the trash bin full of paper towels thinking that the cigarette was extinguished. Exited,closed the door.By the time they smelled smoke the fire was big.they opened the bathroom door giving the flames more air oxygen causing the fire to flash and spread fast.that intense fire in the rear affected the cables and structures supporting the tail,elevators and rudder controls. The man jumped from the heat and lack of air to breath.yall know what happened next.
Between a fire trapped in a tube and a short skydive and instant death I think he made the less agonizing choice. The fall doesn’t hurt, and the ground is instant.
I greatly appreciate you always stating the metric and imperial measurements. Otherwise I gotta pull my phone out and do a conversion because Freedom Units are wonky but it's all my American brain has for reference
I don’t know what anyone could’ve been smoking to cause such an extreme fire that spread so rapidly. I’m sure if that was even a possibility it would’ve been mentioned.
The scariest thing I ever saw while working on the Line Service at an airport, was a private jet that was on its first flight to their home FBO. The painter didn't remove the tape covering the fuel vents, and the pilots missed it on their walk around inspection. The plane landed fine and taxied to our tarmac. On their way to me, I heard banging sounds and saw the right wing collapse inward. The pilots didn't know anything was wrong until they stepped off of the plane and I pointed out the damage. That jet sat in our hanger for almost a month while a wrecking crew disassembled it and shipped it back to the factory.
@@Gail1Marie they're on the underside of the wings. As a private business jet, the wings are only about hip high, so the pilots would need to kneel down to look. If you want an example of a business jet, look up a Citation 3. That is not the jet this happened too, but the wing height is about the same. Obviously I'm leaving out the actual jet as to not open myself up to litigation.
@@ianammon6040 That explains it. Who's going to crawl around on his hands and knees on the tarmac to catch that? But I'll bet the manufacturer inspected every jet for it after that!
Might I suggest the Japanese SOS incident as a topic for a future video. Spooky and strange mystery with a few twists and turns that are fairly unsettling.
Nigeria Airways Flight 2120 is a pretty scary one. An undetectable fire during takeoff leads the passenger cabin floor to start melting mid flight with people falling out of the plane. The aircraft became uncontrollable 1.8 miles from the runway and crashed
Fascinating as usual. Thanks for being concise and cutting straight to the facts. Your channel is a favorite of mine. I always look forward to your uploads.
You should do an episode about the wildfires in Pedrogão Grande in Portugal in 2017. There is a whole documentary about it produced by Leo DiCaprio, but I'd love to see your take on it. It was a horrific situation and a lot of people died trying to escape the fire. 😢
I worry about lithium batteries….they are known to spontaneously combust. Can you imagine such a fire breaking out in the cargo hold? Or someone’s laptop catches fire in the cabin and it spreads? My hidden fear when flying !!
Some months later a Viscount in Hawaii suffered a ni-cad battery fire while on the ground. The flames were extinguished and enough evidence remained to establish the origin and cause of the fire...
I once heard a story about a guy who was dead set against flying and would never fly anywhere. He said he refused to risk being a random passenger on a flight, where it turned out to be someone else's time to go...
Interesting to see another Vicker Viscount accident after Disaster Breakdown did one a little while ago. These planes really had a lot of problems but with this one it seems the plane was not at fault for once.
My Grandparents lived in Johnson City and was on the mountain the day of that crash and thought it was a fire. I'm not really sure if grand dad said they were digging mushrooms or ginseng but they remember that day because it was very loud and I remember him telling me they drove towards it but I don't remember anything else. I was really young when they were telling it and just grew up hearing about it. I used to live on monteagle mnt and it's closer to Nashville and that was a really long time ago. I would love to go up there. I was told there was a memorial site there. Thank you for the video 🙌🏼 brought back a lot of memories. ✌🏻
I remember being asked to swap seats with someone who refused to take responsibility for opening the exit door once. My attitude toward it was a little like that lawyer's--in the event of an emergency, no sweat, everyone else can just leave through the me-shaped hole I'll leave in the fuselage--but it would never have occurred to me to D.B. Cooper it at cruising altitude.
You couldn't do it today. Jet aircraft cabins are pressurized; you may have noticed that cabin doors open to the inside. It's impossible to get one open at cruising altitude because the cabin air pressure is so much higher than the outside air pressure. Back then, prop-driven commercial aircraft weren't pressurized. I flew from Alabama to Minnesota on an AF Reserve T-29 (twin-engine prop) back in the 1970s. There was a weather front we had to fly through the whole way because we couldn't fly above it. Potholes for 10 hours. The most miserable flight of my life. I finally decided I could throw up or just go to sleep; I chose the latter.
Can you talk about the Eschede train incident? It was a very famous, and sadly tragic accident in my Region in 1998 with over 100 dead. I would love to hear your take on it
There is a video on here somewhere. This is where a metal tyre came off a wheel and penetrated a carriage floor. Unfortunately the passenger who witnessed it went searching for the Conductor to report it instead of pulling the emergency switch or lever. If he had acted immediately, the crash might have been prevented provided the driver could have stopped the train before reaching those points.
That poor man that jumped rather than go down with the plane is a horrifying detail of this disaster.
Then again, back then it could be done, and flying so low, cabin on fire, clearly going to crash.... I mightve jumped too and hoped for anything to slow my landing.
@@dfuher968people have survived falling from greater heights. It’s really the luck of the draw on whether you survive or not
@@burtrat4851 and smoke. I would rather jump then burn to death.
Reminiscent of those jumping from the Twin Towers. 😢
Forrealz. I personally much rather brave the fire and smoke than falling. I have experience dealing with fire and I'm very unafraid of burning, but to have my final moments consist of an almost guarantee of death as I am consciously aware nothing is going to slow down my fall terrifies me.
Fires on airplanes are always horrific. I was an aircraft mechanic for Eastern Airlines, back in the days when it still existed. I remember an incident where a 727 came in with a lot of fire damage on the left side, behind the overwing exits. What had happened was a woman was smoking, back in the days when this was still a thing, while using nail polish remover. Somehow the nail polish remover spilled (probably had it standing on the tray table) which caused her to try to grab it in a panic. Somehow she dropped the cigarette and it touched off the nail polish remover, right as it was dropping through a vent on the side, near the floor. When the plane arrived in Miami, all the fire extinguishers were empty, including the water type, the fire axe was in a galley, and the sidewall near the incident looked a lot like the door that Jack (all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy) axed his way through in the movie "The Shining". In this case, the crew and passengers were able to overcome what could have been a very similar incident.
Smoking while messing with acetone is astonishingly stupid. It's amazing that idiot didn't get everyone on board killed.
I was a smoker for many years, and even back when it was allowed I'd *never* smoke on an aircraft. I simply dealt with the "jitters" until we landed and were safely ensconced at the airport.
Interesting story! As a millennial my first thought when hearing "fire starting near passengers" is ill intent, but a combination of cigarettes and dumbness might actually be more likely!
Smoking while using nail polish remover reminded me of people smoking while putting petrol in their car, you might get away with it, but if you don't, you're in trouble... Sometimes I'm amazed that humanity still exists.
@@johannacxiii as a dumbass and a pyromaniac I can assure you fires start more easily with stupidity than they do with intent. Also never leave a magnifying glass uncovered near a window.
@@FinnishLapphund Tell me about it. Many years ago I worked part time in a gas station, and out of about one of every three shifts, I would see someone doing that. And of course I'd be the one to get abused when I asked them to put out their smoke, and even got physically threatened for it a couple of times. There's a lot of stupidity out there.
It's creepy that the guy who jumped apparently discussed this specific scenario frequently enough that his friends could tell anecdotes about it, probably because of the anxiety of flying. This was probably his literal worst nightmare. At least he stuck to his guns in the end.
@Bfef i mean not really the kind of detail youd expect his friends to fake...
I always take the Exit seat as it's more legroom. Today the crew actually briefs you on how to open the door, and the procedures to use (use your voice) so people can find the exit if smoke and sight in the dark is an issue!!.
Many people fear flying and loss of control in an emergency. With the millions of people using air-travel every year, it was just a matter of time before one would be in this kind of scenario.
No prediction involved.
I mean, if you ask a million drivers what they would do if their car lost control while driving on a cliff side road, and the car was heading towards the dropoff, most (all most likely) would say they would jump out rather than stay inside and hope to survive the crash. That doesn't mean that they predicted the accident if that actually happened.
@@MrZoolook I don't think anyone thought this was a prediction ... ?
@@melodiefrances3898 I responded to someone who specifically said he predicted it. Probably the same person who already deleted a comment someone else responded to by the looks.
That lawyer lived and died by his words
I feel especially bad for him because he was afraid of flying and his worst nightmare became a reality
I really don't get guy's logic: I am scared of dying in a plane but falling to the rapidly rising ground on my lonesome into a wooded area? Yeah, that I can hack. Maybe in his final moments he discovered something he was more afraid of than flying/falling: fire.
@@DinoCism I have a bit of a fear from flying, but it's rather illogical - I'm concerned about my lack of control should anything go wrong; my fate is entirely in the pilot's hands, so in a way I totally get the idea of risking it and just jumping out.
@@DinoCism he probably had more chances jumping out than crashing and dying in a freaking crash or fire, i remember the story of a girl that survived a considerable fall from a plane
@@travian821 there is the story of Juliane Koepcke who was the sole survivor of a plane crash in the Amazon. I think she also had to survive about nine days alone in the Amazon before being found.
Fight or flight response, it’s literally genetically encoded in us. The situation in the plane was hopelessly overwhelming, triggering a fear response so deep within there was no chance of overcoming/fighting it, so he took “flight “ to escape it. Flight is a poor choice of words here, but I didn’t coin the term. Poor soul.
We often forget the trauma that witnesses to these disaster endure.
Speak only for yourself.
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So true.
How do you know what other people forget?? Maybe YOU do.
@@dmacrolens While a corrections officer I knew an inmate who had been a fireman at the Boston DC 10 crash. He told me he stumbled around finding nothing but pieces of body parts until he came across a little girl about 3 years old. She didn’t seem to have a scratch just laying there. He scooped her up then found she felt like picking up a water balloon. He told me he just fell on his knees bawling and they had to drag him off the scene useless thereafter. He wasn’t the brightest bulb on the tree but I believed him. So yea those things will rock you.
The resident making her house a base camp for investigators and salvage crews reminds me of the Lockerbie disaster. Residents there virtually adopted relatives and investigators. They fed them, did their washing, took them into their homes for days if not weeks. Lifelong friendships were formed... Just sometimes, I have hope for our human race.
Extraordinary. People really come through sometimes. It is encouraging, isn't it?
@@sdraper2011 It is indeed. There's kindness in most of us, I think, but sometimes it seems buried deep.
I love to hear stories like this :)
The response of the people of Lockerbie is all the more extraordinary when you consider the size of the crater that 747 made in the middle of town and the 11 residents who were killed in its making. They literally had their own problems to worry about.
The human race always finds its noblest side in the face of horror and tragedy.
I used to work at the Knoxville airport and my manager's dad worked recovery for this crash. He said that he approached a man sitting up against a tree from the side who was staring into the forest and called out to him, but when he got close enough realized the man had been cut off at the waist. Plane crashes are horrifying. I had no idea this one was never really solved.
That's what you get for buying a half off airline ticket.
@@madtrucker0983 dude 😂😂😂
@@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002 Umm that's odd. I got a few likes and a comment. I haven't had a Karen attack me yet. 😂
@@madtrucker0983 that was gold! I left a main comment saying, omg my best friend was one of the survivors of that crash! I’m just waiting for bites😂😂😂😂 Karen fishn
@@madtrucker0983 that's cold dude🤭
In remembrance to the victims:
Captain Oliver Ellsworth Sabatke, 41
First Officer Charles L. Young, 35
Flight Attendant Virginia Kay Vollmer, 21
Flight Attendant Carol Lynn Berndt, 21
Majorie Maxwell Anderson, 39
Robert Berg Anderson, 6
Nancy Lee Anderson, 9
Linda Susan Baker, 11
James Harrison Burroughs, 34
Mary Elizabeth Wood Chesney, 71
Robert Ralph Cramer, 36
Michael John Cross, 36
Burton Edward Crowder, 38
Durant H. Da Ponte, 46
Selmar Denver Ford, 50
Philip H.W. Geisler, 38
Robert Selders Hall, 50
Richard Harper Jr., 4
Freda Ruth Harper, 29
Harry Avis Hall, 64
Roger Alexander Hanger, 48
Paul Terry Hester, 24
Joseph Newton Hobbins, 36
Robert Henry Levin, 30
Alfred Leitner, 31
George L. Leupold, 59
John Joseph McHale Jr., 32
Frank J. O’Brien Jr., 23
Samuel Patrick Orleans, 64
Paul G. Pohl, 62
Ruth Jean Pohl, 45
Elizabeth Mary Richardson, 44
Paul Boyd Roark, 28
George Stephen Roeschen, 17
Lawrence D. Schaffer, 33
Hugh Morrisett Taylor Jr., 38
Frank Tosca, 45
William Whittaker, 84
Roger M. Stuart, 32
Thank you for remembering the souls that were lost may they Rest In Peace 🙏🏻
Very nice of you.
Why is j hoddins age not listed is it unknown or what
@@Judgeangels I haven’t been able to find his full name or age, although I’m sure it’s out there somewhere.
@@lostvictims9769 oh okay
A crash that is somewhat similar but even more horrifying in my mind is Flight 2120 in 1991. Investigators determined that due to more than one tire being underinflated, a tire was on fire when it lifted off, so when the gear was retracted the lower part of the cabin was set on fire. The crew didn't realize they had a problem immediately, but when they declared an emergency and turned back it was too late. The cabin was full of smoke and flames so the passengers were panicking, then when the gear was lowered in preparation for landing, the plane started coming apart because its structural integrity was lost. Eleven miles from the airport and several thousand feet in the air, people were falling out of the plane, and it crashed soon after in a comet-like blaze. No survivors.
Air Disasters did a segment about it in their third season. The final report blamed the organization--they had managers making decisions based on money who knew little about safety. Apparently the pilots were not told about the underinflation and the documents were "corrected" to make it look like everything was peachy when the plane took off.
I thought of this exact flight while watching this 😞
its so crazy how low air pressure in a tire can take a plane down.
@@SinaLaJuanaLewis Me too. That and Air Canada 797 to an extent.
> managers making decisions based on money
how do you save $ underinflating tires? (guess: pure nitrogen isn't free like air.)
@@Vid_Master An underinflated tyre's sidewalls and tread flex much more and generates heat in the carcass. Given the huge forces and speed an aircraft tyre experiences it's not hard to see how this happened. Feel a car tyre after high speed running then imaging what an aircraft tyre must feel like even under normal operating conditions.
Where I grew up, there's a park about 5 minutes away from me where a plane crashed and in the final minutes of the pilots life, he crashed the plane into the then open space, barely missing hundreds of houses. It was so close that the crash is only one street turn away from all the houses. My grandmother, two aunt's, and my mother lived and grew up in the house barely missed by the crash.
Just, imagine knowing you're going to die, and with your last few seconds of life you choose to save hundreds. There's a memorial there, and although I wasnt born when it happened, I still visit the memorial and cry for all the names of the dead.
He’s not the only pilot to deliberately manoeuvre his crashing aircraft away from inhabited areas to avoid people on the ground. Every airline pilot would prefer to do that in their final moments.
The pilot of the plane on the Hudson.
@mikoto7693: Except for a few insane ones.
@@oahuhawaii2141 Touché. The Germanwings nutter comes to mind.
But then there was Matthew Bell, first officer of UPS Flight 6 from Dubai. A fire started and maintained by lithium batteries in the cargo hold crippled the 747. He spent the last few minutes of his life in a hot cockpit blinded by chemical smoke so thick he couldn’t see his instruments or controls, his captain dead beside him after fire damage cut the air supply to his mask, desperately trying to land it blind using outdated speed and altitude information being relayed from ATC via another aircraft.
After overshooting the runway, most likely knowing what lay beyond it after many flights in and out, his very last act was to tilt the crippled elevator just enough to nudge the aircraft over a tall apartment complex where hundreds of people were sleeping due to it being nighttime. After clearing the top of the building, it crashed into a bunch of empty warehouses meaning only he and the captain died.
Always felt a profound sympathy towards him. He suffered terribly in the last few minutes of his life, all alone yet in his final moments he saved hundreds.
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Getting the right balance between clarity, conciseness and detail is not easy to pull off, but you do it in every video.
Indeed. He is consistently excellent.
Agreed and I think he even topped himself with this one.
I love how the town rallied around the victims to keep their memory alive and helped in the recovery efforts. That speaks volumes about the kind of town that is. We need more towns and more people like that in this world today!!
I believe there are many people and communities/towns that are good, like this town. The problem is that the negative gets more air time because supposedly it sells better.
Amen
@@kathyjones1576 Truth
Flight 823 is one of aviation's great mysteries. The Viscount is (well, was) a reliable aircraft (yes there were a lot of incidents but the survival rate was very good for passengers) and as mentioned the crew on this flight were first-class aviators. It just goes to show that sometimes "stuff" just happens.
No matter how "good" you are (or ever become), there are some few things out there you just can NOT do anything about. That's not to say there's no point in trying or that you can even quit for any reason. The "correct" answer is always "hope"... and keep swinging... keep TRYING. ;o)
One if the Great mysteries ,when it comes to plane crashes,was the crash of a military aircraft, I think was military, it crashed either in Alaska or the Pacific Northwest, I don't remember which but the strange thing was although there was blood on some if the remains of the aircraft and it was clear there were no survivors, no one was ever found...living or dead,it was as if the bodies just vanished.
It’s just occurred to me that there’s that final moment when the recovery and investigation and cleanup is over and the last person leaves the crash site. It becomes silent and empty again. There’s something very sad about that.
I'm a paramedic and I have been on several small aircraft accidents. It is very bizarre at the very end of the “call” On the incidents, paramedics have to do a stand-by until it's complete. My worst was responding to a downed 6 seater. The very worst experience.
An interesting point of view I had not considered! It's like...all their lives were just swept up and put away and now back to business as usual. It doesn't seem right, somehow.
You painted a picture in my mind of that and made me want to cry.
Call me morbid if you wish, but I think about that exact same thing in numerous scenarios, both tragic snd mundane.
The accident - what, with a missing passenger falling from the plane and an in-flight fire - bears striking yet eerie similarity to the Nigerian Airways flight 2120 disaster which happened over Jeddah. It was the deadliest accident involving a DC-8 and I find it extremely interesting to research. Perhaps the cause of that accident - a fault in a landing gear which lead to a fire in the landing gear well that rapidly spread - could be the cause of this one? I would 100% watch a video about it with your awesome narration and storytelling style!
But the 1 at Jeddah was right after takeoff, after a long and very hot taxi. This was at the end of the flight. The only thing, the 2 crashes have in common, is an in-flight fire, all the surrounding circumstances are completely different.
It also kind of reminds me of that one South African Airways 747 Combi that had a fire in the after hold over the Indian Ocean and broke up before the crew could get it over land. No one ever figured out what caused that fire either, although since it involved South Africa in the '80s, there were naturally conspiracy theories galore.
The fire was confined to the passenger cabin. Unlikely to be the same cause.
Thanks. I looked it up...261 dead. R.I.P. 🙏
@@ZGryphon I believe this was one of those incidents involving lithium batteries, they`ve been the cause of other fires and crashes
The man who has spent lots of time keeping the memory of the crash alive is an awesome man. ❤️
The same goes to the town's people where the plane crashed, who remember the victims and hold services for them.
Your narration in this is beyond exceptional. This case in particular seems eerie for the most part.
That "eerie" feeling you have is the childish fear of the Evil Bogeyman hiding beneath your bed which you never completely conquered as you matured into an adult.
@@ArtCurator2020 Your comment loudly proclaims your complete lack of maturity.
@@ArtCurator2020 There's nothing wrong with what Sophia said. Your icon / name suggests you want to project an air of being intelligent and cultured. Insulting a stranger for no reason--especially someone who, by the Among Us icon, could very well actually be a teen--just makes you look insecure. Real intelligent, cultured people don't have to pick on kids to make themselves feel bigger.
@@saraalexander1875 Well said. 👏🏻
The windows on the Viscount were large and oval in shape.
Please do Speedbird 9! It's my favourite plane incident and has the world's biggest understatement: "Ladies and gentlemen, this is you captain speaking. All four engines have stopped and we're doing our damndest to get them going again. I hope you're not in too much distress."
It would have be get picked for the one video per year where a serious incident with no fatalities happens. Good story too.
Oh my god! "All four engines have stopped" instantly reminded me of this incident
Speedbird 9 is also one of my favourite aviation stories, it’s just absolutely incredible
I'm also fond of The Gimli Glider and BA Flight 5390.
@@Scorpioncactusflower I agree! The Gimli Glider is an amazing story.
So much respect for the community where the crash location was. Opening homes to clean up crews & investigators, holding memorial services on anniversaries of the crash, etc. They set the bar high for those in similar situations on how we should react to others in need of assistance.💟
That behaviour is typical of small town folks....Hard to find the same attitude in big cities.
Great comment, Evie!
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So very nice of you to say. Thank you & take care..💟
I'm so glad you finally got to cover this story! It's almost never talked about, this happened not far from where I used to live. They have a small memorial where the crash happened if I recall. Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention!
I'm also the one who requested he cover this story and gave him all the info he needed! 😁
Fun fact (I guess?) To maybe brighten your day. Airplane bathrooms still have ashtrays because they know they can't stop every smoker, somebody gonna sneak one in, but it they throw it in a trashcan, it will start a fire, so the ashtray reduces the risk.
I live right outside of Knoxville and this is the first time I’ve ever heard this story. Thank you for respectfully sharing this tragedy. Blessed Be. 💜🖤
The passenger who fell from the plane sounds a lot like a friend of my dad's. He was an attorney from Alabama who was afraid of flying, so he always sat on the emergency exit row. The only difference is he didn't die when his fears came true. One day, his flight either crashed or otherwise broke apart midair, and he landed, still in his seat, in the kitchen of a random family after crashing through their roof. He was pretty beaten up but ultimately was the sole survivor of the crash. My dad says that his friend never flew again after that
I knew a security police squadron commander in the air force who was taking his first flight in a helicopter. The engine failed and they had to autorotate, making a rather hard landing. After a year, with much convincing, he was persuaded to get into a helicopter a second time ("What are the odds it'll happen again?" they told him). Yep, the engine failed a second time--another autorotation, another hard landing. They couldn't get him near a helicopter again after that.
Seriously
Lord
It came as a surprise to me that the "black box" was destroyed. I've had the ignorant assumption that in at least most cases they were literally fire and bullet proof.
This one, Fascinating, was really evocative...I think because you early on detailed local witnesses. I've never doubted that investigating air crashes was traumatic for investigators, but somehow I've never envisioned the trauma suffered by those on the ground witnessing the horror. Also the list of those who toiled at an horrific task for days was evocative. People who weren't trained, who could never have imagined being a part of something so traumatic...and yet they "stepped up".
The sad case of the desperate jump by the phobic passenger who saw all his nightmares coming true gave me memory visions of those jumping from the towers on 9/11.
As always, kudos on your research, and even more on your usual respect for the victims.
...and...I think it's time you started planning what you're going to give us for the one million...personally, I'd love it if you would tell us what lead to your "Fascination" with these tragedies!
In 1964, "Black Boxes" were BRAND NEW in the US, especially on commercial flights. In fact, most flight recorders had been invented in just the past 20 years. While some, like the Australian model, were designed to survive crashes (the Australian model was designed mainly because the Comet, a type of aircraft popular in the mid-50's, kept disintigrating in flight), none were yet capable of surviving intense post-crash fires. Even today, a Black Box is only capable of surviving a fire up to 1,100° C (2,000° F) for 30 min. There was a crash in France where the FDR was destroyed because the French police took control of the scene and wouldn't let investigators in until the police did their investigation. They let the fire burn too long, and destroyed the info on the box. A hard enough crash can take them out too, but that's rare as well. But, in 1964, they weren't NEARLY as well protected as today.
@@Scorpioncactusflower I'm surprised they had any in '64 (when I was 5). I'm sure I watched a video in the last few days on one of two flight incident recreation channels where there was no FDD. (I've a shocking memory)
Undoubtedly consisted of some kind of tape and a lot of mechanical parts. The photo shown didn't look very robust inside either. Yes, it would have been known to withstand far less than the ones of this century.
I'm no expert, but I'd assume that a plane flying really fast into the side of a mountain would destroy almost anything.
They're designed to survive a lot, but no manufactured object can be made indestructible.
Even today, it isn't mandatory to have data recorders installed in ALL aircraft.
To quote the NTSB website, "Large commercial aircraft and some smaller commercial, corporate, and private aircraft are required by the FAA to be equipped with two "black boxes" that record information about a flight."
Back then, and possibly even now, this craft may be exempt depending on what 'large' meant.
Idk smoking was allowed on planes back then, and the seats were made from polyurethane foam with polyester upholstery. Great video.
I was wondering the same thing. I don't think in-flight smoking was banned until the 70s.
@@dawnstorm9768 In 1994, Delta was the first US airline to ban smoking on all worldwide flights
Still have all that crap in our homes & people still smoke.
@@Coolcartingyep I cannot believe they waited that long to ban smoking. In Europe it was even later. My husband had to fly to London on British Air in 1996 and he was squeezed into a seat between a cigar and a cigarette smoker. My worst nightmare! Ugh.
@@Coolcarting Wow, that late!! Thanks for the information.
Fascinating is a perfect word in your channel name. You never fail to mesmerize. Well done.
I used to live in Knoxville for a time. I heard stories that people who live near by will occasionally get ghosts at their houses asking how to get to the airport, saying they have to get to the plane and then disappearing. Or seeing people walk around the wreak site and again disappearing into thin air.
Pilot: "Uhh, this is your captain speaking, and while you are all aware of the bad news the good news is that you are completely justified in whatever panicked actions you have dreamed of. Personally, I will be activating all fire supression systems, throwing the windows open, and rushing the cabin with a fire extinguisher."
Lawyer: "Well, this is my stop." *pulls door release and steps into the void
@@dogenboole Well I laughed anyway.
@@dogenboole It's called gallow's humor look it up
Commits suicide to keep from getting killed.
@@deadon4847 well, do you want to burn, or experience one last rush?
@@deadon4847 Or chose the lesser of two evils.
Oh, that poor man who jumped out of desperation. His worst nightmare coming true. It reminds me of those horrific scenes at the WTC on 9/11 of those poor souls falling or jumping.
Another very respectfully and well told story.
Regarding the local residents, it is said humanity always finds its noblest side in the face of horror and death. All those people opening their homes to the searchers and investigators until the search was over, for days, if not weeks... families allowing perfect strangers into their lives, feeding them, housing them, without hesitation just in the hopes that it would allow someone who by a miracle survived the crash to be found and rescued, even if tragically the search was futile in the end... it is heartwarming.
Remember when you could smoke anywhere? Even in a pressurized tube 30 thousand feet i the air surrounded by things that catch fire and go boom?
I thought I'd seen air crash investigations on just about every US passenger flight since my dad started flying, and this is definitely a route he would've taken for business a little later on, but somehow I've never heard of it. As usual, you cover both the well-known and obscure disasters with attention, research and respect.
It's always a frustration when the flight and/or voice recorders are lost because there is so much valuable information on them. Although the information contained on them back in 1964 may not have added much to the investigation.
Dealing with insomnia, watched this to relax and fall asleep. Topic happened to be about my biggest fear: plane crashes. I'm clearly not going to sleep, lol. Thanks for the video.
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If only everyone on planes had a hoverboard...
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@Temple that's why I won't get on a small airplane. A commercial flight crashes anywhere in the world, it gets reported. The small ones barely make the local news.
@@andreacook7431 lots of small planes are still used for commercial flights. And is that really your biggest issue with it? “Oh im dead but at least people will be aware of the accident i died in for at least a week before more important news occurs”
@@temple3120 I'm aware. I'm a plane enthusiast even though I'm scared of them. Weird huh? lol
This is at least the 4th time I couldn't sleep and got a video!! I was tossing and turning...shoulda turned on yt..Ill try to remember next time lol.
On of the things that made me seek a career in aviation was Robert J. Serling's book "Loud and Clear". It is an unstinting look at commercial aviation safety circa 1971.
This is one of the accidents covered in this captivating book;it seems we're not a lot closer to a definitive cause for this one. If you can find a copy,it is well worth purchasing. Mr. Serling's analysis of this crash is fascinating.
Prayers to the victims and families. 🎸🖖✈️
Excellent book. I bought a copy at a book sale in the 70s and read it over and over again.
It's really amazing that they could figure out that much of what happened considering what they would have had to work with.
Went to check on this and realized there is ANOTHER flight 823 that crashed in 1957. This one took off from Laguardia airport in New York City, and within 60 seconds, crashed on the infamous Rikers Island, which is entirely a prison housing some of the worst offenders. Several inmates were released or had their sentences commuted because of their heroics in saving victims of the crash. How is this not talked about more often?
Rikers' is a holding prison for those facing charges of all kinds. It's not a formal prison per se.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Wasn't it a formal prison at one time? I always thought it was one of those you never wanted to go to?
The cause of the Rikers Island crash also remains completely unelucidated to this day, though fortunately most of the crew and passengers survived (including the two pilots). Still, 20 lives were lost, and unlike the later 823 crash, it is generally assumed there was nothing wrong with the aircraft or on board until it struck the ground.
I knew one of the passengers. George Stephen Roeschen, age 17, was the son of my mom's best friend. Everyone called him Stevie. I've never forgotten him and how nice he always was to me. I was 5 years younger than him.
OMG!!! I knew stevie. We went to school together. And I saw him the night before, we chatted a bit.
@@vladimirputinforUSAAre you actually Russian? Why would you use that screen name? It seems odd to me.
@@patriciajrs46 it seems odd to you? Who the F are you… mind your business. What does it matter if I’m Russian or not?
@@vladimirputinforUSA Ok. Fine. I was just making an observation and giving an opinion. Not wanted. Duly noted. Have a nice day.
Every time I hear that beat I start bobbing my head like the vibing cat meme.
I'd like to see one on the Lynard Skynard plane crash. (Aerosmith had refused to fly on the same plane 3 months earlier).
...Ricky Nelson as well
That lawyer, the one who jumped, was ridiculously brave. I'd choose to jump rather than burn, as well.
Excellent video and narration. I subscribed because there is no distracting noise and your voice is well-modulated and clear. I subscribed! Thank you.
When another channel uses this music, it feels weird. This is Fascinating Horror music, even if its copyright free.
Another sobering video. Unanswered questions like this are always unsettling, but the fact is you can’t know everything. Still it’s amazing how much was uncovered considering how little was left.
What a grim detail about the jumper. Fear makes us do terrible things.
My absolute worst fear. I had a group of friends fly to Peru a few years ago. A small fire happened in one of the engines(?) or the engine went out(?). My friend Nicole said the experience inside the plane was horrifying. People crying, screaming, praying, vomiting, etc. etc.
Even though the captain and crew had expressed there was no immediate danger, people still panicked. I absolutely cannot imagine having a fire INSIDE the plane!!!
Those poor people.
The picture at 0:55 is an NAC Viscount. NAC was New Zealand’s internal airline, it later merged with Air New Zealand. That’s my contribution to this for what it’s worth!
Oh yes, that time of the week again. Thank you for your videos.
Congrats on the 1 mil subs
You've earned every single one of us.
That was on my 9th birthday. I was stuck at home suffering with the mumps. I clearly remember the day. At some point I woke in a cold sweat thinking I had been in some kind of accident. I didn’t understand what kind of crash but everything had just exploded around me. I was shaken badly when I saw the tv report later about it. My mother didn’t know why I was so upset until she realized she had the radio on while I was sleeping nearby. I must have heard the newsflash and turned it into my own nightmare. To this day I get nervous when I get a fever.
The air of desperation aboard that flight must have been utterly horrific. I imagine most people are already a bit tense when flying. I can’t fathom the fear that comes with even a small fire on a plane, let alone one that progressed as this one did. The individual who opted to (apparently) jump from the plane really drives the point home. It brings to mind those who jump from burning buildings in a final desperate effort to save themselves in a moment of hopelessness. A particularly poignant example of this occurred when two men became trapped atop a burning wind turbine in the Netherlands. A picture exists of them embracing each other in their final moments before one of them leapt from the top and the other attempted to escape. Sadly, neither survived. Truly heart wrenching.
While the cost in lives lost is far too great, at least there were improvements made to based on the findings of the crash. The changes in regulation and methodologies that are undergone after such disasters is truly a point of fascination for me. Similarly, it astounds me that so many disasters occur time and time again as a result of ignoring existing regulations that were designed to prevent the very same.
As always, great video.
This channel is really awesome. The amount of detail you go into is great and I'm glad it showed up in my video selections. I'm totally impressed!
Another Tuesday morning fix of Fascinating Horror
This is a UA-camr Iv been following for some time , one of the only I’m always happy to see a new video as they are always quality . Hope you get the 1 M soon FH !
I love it when Fascinating Horror covers aviation disasters.
I grew up in Knoxville and I’ve never heard of this tragedy. Thank you for creating this video.
Reminds me of the flight where the entertainment system malfunctioned and caused a fire to break out on board, and the captain tried fighting the blaze with the flight manual.
You're so close to hitting 1mil subs bro! Been watching the channel for a while it's good to see you get some recognition for your videos❤️
The "death by being thrown out of the plane alive" that often appears in reports of air accidents makes me even more fearful each time I see or hear the story, even though I know that there is a good chance that the person will lose consciousness on the way out of the plane.
I am especially scared because the lawyer who jumped out of the plane in this accident has a phobia of flying and I have the same phobia.
This was an aircraft and route inherited in United Air Lines’ 1961 merger with Capital Airlines. I have an old aviation disaster book from the 70s which talks about this crash and the potential scenarios. One scenario had to do with the habits of the era. People smoked on airplanes back then extensively. Each meal tray included a small packet of cigarettes, additionally, women’s hair styles were “big,” using lots of hair spray to “set.” This author proposed that the fire could have started under seemingly innocuous circumstances such as a passenger lighting a cigarette next to a woman spraying her hair spray. I thought that was an interesting theory,
Loud and Clear by Robert Serling?
I remember this description and analysis.
@@chrisnorman9980Yup. Loud and Clear was the first book I checked out from the library when I was given access to the grown up section of the local library in 5th grade, I think. Great book. It was also here that I first read about Toni Ketchell, the only surviving crew member in the AA 383 crash in CVG in 1965. Toni would later become a good friend, and played a pivotal role in my life. Little did I know as a 5th grader that I would get to meet her.
I live in Knoxville, Tennessee, I never heard of this before. Thank you for sharing it.
❤ love your work and the events you talk about
It’s actually really impressive to me that that one guy could accurately predict how he would act in an emergency. A lot of people talk big game about how they would do this or that to try to survive, but realistically speaking, most of us would just freeze up or blindly follow the crowd as our thinking processes would be hampered by panic.
This guy said “I’d jump.” and then he followed through on that.
Well done as always. Thank you
Smoking aboard was permitted back then. Something not covered in this article was the curious lack of a distress message.
Wasn't smoking completely permitted in those days?
Yes.
Another great disaster documentary. I like yours especially since they are short but concise with all the necessary details.
I flew Viscounts for five years. Got 1500 hrs on them. Wonderful aircraft to fly. Very docile and easy. Looking at the cockpit in the video. Some idiot put the weather radar either next to captain or first officer instead of middle. One of ours had same layout fortunately the others all had radar in the middle so both pilots could monitor the weather. Many happy memories flying them.
It's worth noting that while the Viscount had been in service for a number of years in the UK and Europe it was a relative newcomer in the US. At the same time America's first Turboprop airliner, the Lockheed L-188 Electra had been experiencing a series of fatal incidences which were later found to be related to a defect in the wing box. Public confidence in turbo props was not bolstered by the Viscount crash.
the lawyer who jumped off the plane before it crashed due to his fear of flying but dies anyways is haunting.
He was probably the one who was nervously chain-smoking & set the cabin on fire!
@@stevie-ray2020 that’s a terrible thing to say even as a joke. It was the 60s everyone smoked like a chimney.
Did he jump ....or was he pushed ?
Remember people smoked on airplanes back then (whose crazy mind thought THAT was a good idea??) and someone may have had a cigarette ignite something flammable, even something like paperwork or clothes. If people panic and don’t react properly during a small fire it can quickly become a large fire.
So nice of them to hold a memorial for them!
Small towns are close-knit places and when something like this happens it affects them just as much as the relatives. So many of them had to endure the aftermath and the "rescue".
@@marvindebot3264 yes indeed bless their hearts!
It compounds the misery of such tragedies when the circumstances cannot be identified, presenting the possibility that it might repeat sometime in the future, causing further suffering.
Speaking of fire, please do a segment on the 2017 Oakland warehouse fire.
Horrible tragedy
My probable cause is as follows. Back in those days smoking was permitted in all flights. I remember flying in the late 70s and L1011, 727 etc had ashtrays in the seats armrest.maybe someone smoked in the rear bathroom, discarded the cigarette in the trash bin full of paper towels thinking that the cigarette was extinguished. Exited,closed the door.By the time they smelled smoke the fire was big.they opened the bathroom door giving the flames more air oxygen causing the fire to flash and spread fast.that intense fire in the rear affected the cables and structures supporting the tail,elevators and rudder controls. The man jumped from the heat and lack of air to breath.yall know what happened next.
Well.
That was full on nightmare fuel for me.
Yea I have a feeling smoke was filling up the cockpit so much that they could no longer see the instruments, let alone out the aircraft. Crazy story
No mention of cigarette smoking, which was common at the time.
Between a fire trapped in a tube and a short skydive and instant death I think he made the less agonizing choice. The fall doesn’t hurt, and the ground is instant.
I greatly appreciate you always stating the metric and imperial measurements. Otherwise I gotta pull my phone out and do a conversion because Freedom Units are wonky but it's all my American brain has for reference
these are my favorite videos on youtube, and i could say that on any one of these. you deserve the 1M :)
The notion of “jumping to safety” from an airliner in flight - is a rather optimistic notion, to say the least!
Optimistically Optimizing your Pain: Death from a fall is less painful than burning to death.
@@Admiral_Jezza It's why so many people jumped from the World Trade Center buildings.
In the pre-parachute days of WWI, pilots routinely jumped from their burning biplanes. Or they carried a sidearm to commit suicide.
Excellent docs you make!
Wasn't there a smoking section on airplanes back then? A passenger could of dropped a lit cigarette or thought they put one out but was still lit?
the entire plane was the smoking section back then
I don’t know what anyone could’ve been smoking to cause such an extreme fire that spread so rapidly. I’m sure if that was even a possibility it would’ve been mentioned.
@@JennRighter Fires of massive proportion where by just a cig, althought it's mostly due to the environnement the cig made contac with.
The scariest thing I ever saw while working on the Line Service at an airport, was a private jet that was on its first flight to their home FBO. The painter didn't remove the tape covering the fuel vents, and the pilots missed it on their walk around inspection. The plane landed fine and taxied to our tarmac. On their way to me, I heard banging sounds and saw the right wing collapse inward. The pilots didn't know anything was wrong until they stepped off of the plane and I pointed out the damage. That jet sat in our hanger for almost a month while a wrecking crew disassembled it and shipped it back to the factory.
That's astonishing. Where were the fuel vents located? Somewhere a pilot wouldn't usually check during a preflight inspection?
@@Gail1Marie they're on the underside of the wings. As a private business jet, the wings are only about hip high, so the pilots would need to kneel down to look. If you want an example of a business jet, look up a Citation 3. That is not the jet this happened too, but the wing height is about the same. Obviously I'm leaving out the actual jet as to not open myself up to litigation.
@@ianammon6040 That explains it. Who's going to crawl around on his hands and knees on the tarmac to catch that? But I'll bet the manufacturer inspected every jet for it after that!
Wonderful video as always man (: love all your work
Hi butters
Might I suggest the Japanese SOS incident as a topic for a future video. Spooky and strange mystery with a few twists and turns that are fairly unsettling.
Is that the one where an sos signal was sent out by some mysterious person that was never found?
Thanks. This channel has good odds at reaching 1M subscribers. FH deserves the the honor. =)
Yay! I love it! 😁
Nigeria Airways Flight 2120 is a pretty scary one. An undetectable fire during takeoff leads the passenger cabin floor to start melting mid flight with people falling out of the plane. The aircraft became uncontrollable 1.8 miles from the runway and crashed
Keep up the great work with these videos.
Fascinating as usual. Thanks for being concise and cutting straight to the facts. Your channel is a favorite of mine. I always look forward to your uploads.
You should do an episode about the wildfires in Pedrogão Grande in Portugal in 2017. There is a whole documentary about it produced by Leo DiCaprio, but I'd love to see your take on it. It was a horrific situation and a lot of people died trying to escape the fire. 😢
He has an email in the description where you can send suggestions. Try sending him an email. He was courteous enough to respond to mine. :)
Thanks for researching and bringing this lesser known crash to us 😊
I worry about lithium batteries….they are known to spontaneously combust. Can you imagine such a fire breaking out in the cargo hold? Or someone’s laptop catches fire in the cabin and it spreads? My hidden fear when flying !!
Be afraid, be very very afraid. ;)
Some months later a Viscount in Hawaii suffered a ni-cad battery fire while on the ground. The flames were extinguished and enough evidence remained to establish the origin and cause of the fire...
This was exceptionally well done. Also very respectful of the tragedy.
I once heard a story about a guy who was dead set against flying and would never fly anywhere. He said he refused to risk being a random passenger on a flight, where it turned out to be someone else's time to go...
Interesting to see another Vicker Viscount accident after Disaster Breakdown did one a little while ago. These planes really had a lot of problems but with this one it seems the plane was not at fault for once.
My Grandparents lived in Johnson City and was on the mountain the day of that crash and thought it was a fire. I'm not really sure if grand dad said they were digging mushrooms or ginseng but they remember that day because it was very loud and I remember him telling me they drove towards it but I don't remember anything else. I was really young when they were telling it and just grew up hearing about it. I used to live on monteagle mnt and it's closer to Nashville and that was a really long time ago. I would love to go up there. I was told there was a memorial site there. Thank you for the video 🙌🏼 brought back a lot of memories. ✌🏻
You know that's is going to be HORROR when you fly from Philadelphia to Huntsville, Alabama!
Why would anyone do it? Death wish?
I remember being asked to swap seats with someone who refused to take responsibility for opening the exit door once. My attitude toward it was a little like that lawyer's--in the event of an emergency, no sweat, everyone else can just leave through the me-shaped hole I'll leave in the fuselage--but it would never have occurred to me to D.B. Cooper it at cruising altitude.
You couldn't do it today. Jet aircraft cabins are pressurized; you may have noticed that cabin doors open to the inside. It's impossible to get one open at cruising altitude because the cabin air pressure is so much higher than the outside air pressure. Back then, prop-driven commercial aircraft weren't pressurized.
I flew from Alabama to Minnesota on an AF Reserve T-29 (twin-engine prop) back in the 1970s. There was a weather front we had to fly through the whole way because we couldn't fly above it. Potholes for 10 hours. The most miserable flight of my life. I finally decided I could throw up or just go to sleep; I chose the latter.
@@Gail1Marie That would depend on what was wrong with the airplane...
Can you talk about the Eschede train incident? It was a very famous, and sadly tragic accident in my Region in 1998 with over 100 dead. I would love to hear your take on it
There is a video on here somewhere. This is where a metal tyre came off a wheel and penetrated a carriage floor. Unfortunately the passenger who witnessed it went searching for the Conductor to report it instead of pulling the emergency switch or lever. If he had acted immediately, the crash might have been prevented provided the driver could have stopped the train before reaching those points.