Holy shit this Casablanca chess is fucking AMAZING. Like, we can now see how modern players would play against each other from positions of past world championship matches and see how the strategies have developed over the years. This is also like skipping directly to before the climax is supposed to be.
Casablanca chess on computers would even be more interesting and awesome, imagine the plays that the computers can do in certain positions in that particular game, it will either be a bloody battle or just a simple draw but we know that is never the case most of the time and computers will always find a way to win in the most insane ways possible
@@Q420-m9cThat's how chess engines are ranked when the play against each other, they play a bunch of games against each other in various openings. The openings are predetermined.
It's another way to fix problem that Fischer random was made to deal with. None of this memorizing book openings, computer lines, etc. just straight into where the game has the most play
I love it for several reasons. 1. They are all professional players and still they come up with different ideas in the same position. 2. I just love the concept of putting top players in sharp positions that the computer claims to be even just to show how easy it is to go wrong even if you're one of the best in the world.
Gotham, I am kind of new to the world of chess. Even though I have been watching you for years, I never really started playing until my precious wife gave me your book for Christmas. I finally started reading it and studying this beautiful game, and I want to say thanks. I am not young enough to have goals in PC games like Dota that I played before; I know I will suck soon-you can't stop aging. But chess is different. I can see myself in 50 years playing with my grandchildren. That's just magnificent. And when the day comes, I will be telling them about GM Levy, the reason why I started to play. Good luck on your journey!
I think this new format is absolutely amazing. When computers play each other now this is what happens. Extending this to the top players is great because it becomes more about who’s the better player not who memorized the most lines. It could be really cool if they let the community vote on different positions to make the game more engaging to an audience
They let the Chat decide which position the players should start with in a poll at one point in another game they had the players vote amongst themselves
24:44 Magnus didn't rush anything, according to the tournament situation a draw was simply enough for him so he decided to go for an easy draw instead of pushing for the win. He said in the interview that he actually saw that Bf1 line where you sac the a2 pawn and rely on the attack, but he didn't want to go for it since there is always a risk of messing up.
Fun fact: The name of the tactic “x-ray attack” could not have even existed during the Chigoran vs Steinitz game because it was in 1889 and x-rays were discovered in November of 1895.
See, I think the issue with Casablanca chess is yes, it will always be an equal position but that doesn’t mean it’s a humanly equal position. Some moves will just come naturally to one side than the other, so there’s going to be a big RNG element wether u get a easy to play position or hard to play position. But that actually makes it a lot more fun, still less deterministic though.
Predictions for the next title he is going to put: - Magnus and Hikaru play chess 2.0 - New format chess: NO PREP! - Crazy new format played by Magnus and Hikaru
This is the internet now. Just chanting the things we've seen a hundred times. It will be this until we come up with a codified abbreviation of these chants. And then we will chant the abbreviation until we fade into dust.
@xfKYZacTri sure it's a good idea. Just lower the depth and make sure each side has a similar amount of playability You could even pick 3 positions per game and players bid on positions something to agree on a position.
show them 3 positions, each one rank them, both 3 places are removed, if only one is left, that one get played. else if both find the same the best, thats played. if not, random dice roll?@@visibletoallusersonyoutube5928
The positions are equal in a sense where if they all get the best move its a drawn? 'Cause, couldnt we argue that in 1:36 black have a slight better position in termes of protection the king and black also have attack on the white's Q side...?
i love the new format, and also love (as always) your analysis of it. As mentioned, the weakness of the new format comes if one person knows the analysis of the historical position while the other does not. Could this be avoided by having the engine randomly generate a mathematically equal position? Also though the hidden beauty of this format is that it will encourage deeper studying of historical matches rather than memorizing opening lines down to the nth level. That's a good thing.
Hey, 15:20, why not do Qxc3? Can't see if you can make it out with the queen, but at least you get an extra pawn before taking the knight. WHY THE KNIGHT BTW? Why not the rook?
2 from commentators 2 from viewers 2 from players Fide gives 3 random options, they choose 1 Total 6 games Players know the game only 2 minutes before match start
I like the idea of random positions with 10+ pawns and/or pieces and there are at least 3 moves that keep the eval bar at 0.5 or lower. Basically, you just don't want a position where if they miss the only move they are completely lost.
I have a game show type idea for you: You get random positions, and you guess who has a better one and for how much. That would make us better at chess, + it would be very entertaining
TCEC (the top computer chess competition) already does this although it's not always 15 moves and the positions are chosen to be slightly imbalanced, and the computers play both sides of the same opening against each other in a pair of games. the reason the openings are chosen to be slightly imbalanced is to raise the chances that the result of the two games isn't tied, i.e. one of the computers wins one game and draws the other
They didn't live til 35. The high childhood mortality rate was what brings the average down. People who survived childhood regularly lived into their 60s and beyond
11:00 Gotham please Just because average life expectancy is low doesn't mean people don't live longer. In fact most adults did, the average is tanked by all the kids dying
I really like this new format because it’s short and modern. Some food for thought would be to literally highlight the key ideas once for each position to get less experienced players on board with what’s happening in a blink of and eye
bro this is actually fun af like its so exiting what format we can do with this one...like maybe we can make the players choose thier color like armagedon or like themes for the games like seasons stuff...make the game more enjoyable
My idea for a new form of chess would be to have the option to pass instead of moving a piece. For each pass you are gaining a "point". You then can use those points to get new pieces, 1 point for a pawn, 3 points for a knight or bishop, 5 for a rook and 9 for a queen. Those would be set on a standard starting potition of the piece. Whats you thought on it?
"this game was from 150 years ago... Some of you weren't even alive back then" 🤣
Show of hands. Who was alive 150 years ago? Somebody? Anybody??
@@cormacmacassery4702 🙋♂️
@@cormacmacassery4702 Sorry, I died 155 years ago.
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That made me laugh out loud which just makes me feel old
Holy shit this Casablanca chess is fucking AMAZING. Like, we can now see how modern players would play against each other from positions of past world championship matches and see how the strategies have developed over the years. This is also like skipping directly to before the climax is supposed to be.
Casablanca chess on computers would even be more interesting and awesome, imagine the plays that the computers can do in certain positions in that particular game, it will either be a bloody battle or just a simple draw but we know that is never the case most of the time and computers will always find a way to win in the most insane ways possible
@@Q420-m9cThat's how chess engines are ranked when the play against each other, they play a bunch of games against each other in various openings. The openings are predetermined.
@@SharatSBut it's only openings - not random positions like with Casablanca
It's another way to fix problem that Fischer random was made to deal with. None of this memorizing book openings, computer lines, etc. just straight into where the game has the most play
Some sort of like "can I still save this blunder move they made decades ago?"
We really got Chess 2.0 before Gotham became a GM💀
Now he'll become a GM in Chess 2.0
@@timepass4783this is funny. What do you mean pin of shame?
We’ll get gta 6 before gotham becomes a GM.
At this point Levy is gonna Become GM before Gta 6
Pin my shame
9:14 "this game was from 150 years ago... Some of you weren't even alive back then" so nostalgic 🥲
Yeah just some of us lol
Those would be the Biden voters.
And a lot of them voted for the current president apparently.
this implies at least some of the viewers were alive back then.
@@purple-47 you figured out the joke good job
I love it for several reasons. 1. They are all professional players and still they come up with different ideas in the same position. 2. I just love the concept of putting top players in sharp positions that the computer claims to be even just to show how easy it is to go wrong even if you're one of the best in the world.
Gotham, I am kind of new to the world of chess. Even though I have been watching you for years, I never really started playing until my precious wife gave me your book for Christmas. I finally started reading it and studying this beautiful game, and I want to say thanks. I am not young enough to have goals in PC games like Dota that I played before; I know I will suck soon-you can't stop aging. But chess is different. I can see myself in 50 years playing with my grandchildren. That's just magnificent. And when the day comes, I will be telling them about GM Levy, the reason why I started to play. Good luck on your journey!
unless i die in the apocalypse 30 years from now... shieeet
Chess is a truly beautiful game, and Levy is a wonderful ambassador for it.
Can just someone realise how wholesome that was way to go buddy cheers🎉
An absolutely beautiful post. Best wishes to both you and Levy!
this is genuinely a very wholesome comment. Good luck on your chess journey!
We got Levy and Hikaru playing new chess before GTA6
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this format within low elo chess would be pure chaos
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Low elo chess always a chaos
Levy never fails to milk Hiknus Nakarlsen.
Ok bozo
@@nenoavoid4387 google translate bugging
Magaru Caramura
@@maximodelvalle4030Mango Nakanaka
Nd u never fail to prove ur a 8 y/o
I really enjoyed the Casablanca chess format. Hope to see it more in future with more players
I think this new format is absolutely amazing. When computers play each other now this is what happens. Extending this to the top players is great because it becomes more about who’s the better player not who memorized the most lines. It could be really cool if they let the community vote on different positions to make the game more engaging to an audience
They let the Chat decide which position the players should start with in a poll at one point in another game they had the players vote amongst themselves
The community vote could either end up being really interesting or completely unbalanced, lmao
@@pietrocatalano4285I think they gave chat a limited number of choices that were all fairly even but with imbalances
Well, computers play paired games. Each takes a turn playing white and playing black. They don't start from equal positions most of the time.
I hope they'll nerf queen in the next update. Queen has been op for too many years
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And buff the king
they gotta rework the pawns aswell
New chess is TransChess, where the king identifies as a queen.
150 years , some of u weren't even alive then 😂
None of us were alive 😭
@@ZelephsDogI don’t know about you but I was, turning 210 this year
@@ZelephsDogany vampires in chat
@@ZelephsDog What are you talking about, I remember playing with my grandchildren at that time.
some of us are >150 years old ........ lol
24:44 Magnus didn't rush anything, according to the tournament situation a draw was simply enough for him so he decided to go for an easy draw instead of pushing for the win.
He said in the interview that he actually saw that Bf1 line where you sac the a2 pawn and rely on the attack, but he didn't want to go for it since there is always a risk of messing up.
9:16 I don't think anyone was levy 🤣
I was
He commentbaited you succesfully
Us... damnit
Exactly
@mickwous2795 you too (oh shit)
Lot of fun, and also enjoyed the way you presented it with the historical context. 10/10 would watch more of these.
This is the analysis I was looking for comparing old and new. I felt commentary during match missed this. Thanks
Fun fact: The name of the tactic “x-ray attack” could not have even existed during the Chigoran vs Steinitz game because it was in 1889 and x-rays were discovered in November of 1895.
''That was 150 years ago, some of you weren't even alive then!''
...bro wdym
he's trying not to exclude any vampires in the audience
Yes because at that time also Levy was trying to become GM from IM.
he's not wrong tho
Levy never fails to milk Magnus and Hikaru both at the same time.
Get a life nigga
This mental image isn’t something I needed in my head
😂😂@@C0mpaczubzer0
Sounds like Levy runs a genetic material gathering centre.
Nowdays comments are getting insane
See, I think the issue with Casablanca chess is yes, it will always be an equal position but that doesn’t mean it’s a humanly equal position. Some moves will just come naturally to one side than the other, so there’s going to be a big RNG element wether u get a easy to play position or hard to play position. But that actually makes it a lot more fun, still less deterministic though.
The games were chosen by garry kasparov and other GMs, im pretty sure they know how to evaluate a position on a human level too.
Predictions for the next title he is going to put:
- Magnus and Hikaru play chess 2.0
- New format chess: NO PREP!
- Crazy new format played by Magnus and Hikaru
An other one could be : "HIKARUUUU !!!! MAGNUUUUUS !!!"
This tournament show Magnus is the goat in every variant
Another one could be CHESS 20000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the internet now. Just chanting the things we've seen a hundred times. It will be this until we come up with a codified abbreviation of these chants. And then we will chant the abbreviation until we fade into dust.
@@emanuellucinabsolutely, THE GOAT
9:15 "some of you" 💀
In an alternate timeline,levy never fails to milk Alexandra botez and Anna cramling
did they finally allow bishops and queens to en passant?
That's be so cool. I had the same idea for sometime but for knighta
I love that you included the historical game first and then went through the new games. This video was exceptional.
To make this format more full proof, The organisers should use engine games instead of famous historical games
@xfKYZacTri sure it's a good idea.
Just lower the depth and make sure each side has a similar amount of playability
You could even pick 3 positions per game and players bid on positions something to agree on a position.
show them 3 positions, each one rank them, both 3 places are removed, if only one is left, that one get played. else if both find the same the best, thats played. if not, random dice roll?@@visibletoallusersonyoutube5928
This format is some sort of "can this game still be saved?" and I am digging it.
I am sure Hikaru and Magnus both won 1st and 2nd place only to be milked in a video by Levi Rizzman💀💀
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Its part of the joke bro😭😭
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Hate bot, probably in a bot farm in Russia, which is ironic
10:42 - 10:46 - PLS! Someone just cut that to out of context!! xDD
Hahahaga
Good stuff 💀
5:14 -5:17
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YOURE RIGHT LEZZ GO
ALL MY 476 RATING HOMIES RISE UP!!!!
What about 298
Ayy 164 and upp
The positions are equal in a sense where if they all get the best move its a drawn? 'Cause, couldnt we argue that in 1:36 black have a slight better position in termes of protection the king and black also have attack on the white's Q side...?
Levy never fail to be milked by hikagus carmoral
sus hikagus
Bro is surely gonna become GM(M)-Grand Milker of Magnus
This has been the most entertaining chess video. This Casablanca format is really nice
i love the new format, and also love (as always) your analysis of it. As mentioned, the weakness of the new format comes if one person knows the analysis of the historical position while the other does not. Could this be avoided by having the engine randomly generate a mathematically equal position? Also though the hidden beauty of this format is that it will encourage deeper studying of historical matches rather than memorizing opening lines down to the nth level. That's a good thing.
Levy never fails
Magnus vs Hikary
The Rooooooookk
Title of the video was 'Magnus and Hikary try new chess'
Pin of Shame
Lmao you just put all the buzzwords into one comment
Don't forget the more recent "we got thing before gta 6"
Hikary Dickary Doo
Gothamchess brain rot Speedrun
The 5 horsemen gothamchess comments
Hey, 15:20, why not do Qxc3? Can't see if you can make it out with the queen, but at least you get an extra pawn before taking the knight. WHY THE KNIGHT BTW? Why not the rook?
I love the concept of this format. Can you share how the positions were chosen and how/when they were revealed to the players?
2 from commentators
2 from viewers
2 from players
Fide gives 3 random options, they choose 1
Total 6 games
Players know the game only 2 minutes before match start
I like the idea of random positions with 10+ pawns and/or pieces and there are at least 3 moves that keep the eval bar at 0.5 or lower. Basically, you just don't want a position where if they miss the only move they are completely lost.
This is like playing from a puzzle till the end.
9:13 some of us weren't alive?
nah i was alive 150 years ago, who else?
Levy just casually forgetting to put Vishy in the title
ifkr smh pissed me off
We got chess 2 before GTA6
FFFFIRRRRRSSSSSTTTT, AND HE SACRIFICES THE FIRSTTTTTT
0:40 this is where gotham mentions magnus carlsen.
1:07 made me laugh out loud, was not expecting that. could listen to u talk for hours levy....
Damn, they really do still be inventing new chess formats.
25:00 Magnus actually knew retreating the bishop is winning. His match situation demanded only a draw to win the entire tournament.
bassem crazy for that queen move fr
6:10 Thats about as safe as the king could POSSIBLY be on that square lol
Such a great idea, would love to see more of this!
I have a game show type idea for you:
You get random positions, and you guess who has a better one and for how much.
That would make us better at chess, + it would be very entertaining
The title is "Manus and Hikaru Try NEW CHESS" now
I'm clearly missing something but at 15:46 why doesn't Queen C3 work?
Exactly my thought. Please someone not noob explain
and Qf2 ?
Levy Rizzmans parents (Hikaru and Magnus) must be so proud of him.
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I love this format, it’s very similar to an idea I had which is where you start about 15 moves into a random variation of an opening.
TCEC (the top computer chess competition) already does this although it's not always 15 moves and the positions are chosen to be slightly imbalanced, and the computers play both sides of the same opening against each other in a pair of games. the reason the openings are chosen to be slightly imbalanced is to raise the chances that the result of the two games isn't tied, i.e. one of the computers wins one game and draws the other
@@psymar yeah that's where I got the idea from. I forgot to mention that they would play both sides to make it balanced as well.
Who is here in 2054🎉🎉🎉🎉
UA-cam no longer exists
@@guggzyAI will have created something better.
UA-cam and other websites were hijacked in the 5th world war
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Me fr
For the second game where the queen get "trapped", why not take c3 pawn
I had the exact same question, did you manage to figure out?
I loved this format honestly
9:14
Levy: this position follows a game from 150 years ago, some of you weren't even alive back then!
me: the floor appears to be made out of floor
Levy is on the verge of hitting 5M subs so on eve of this, please bring GTE ❤
0:08 Levy: “We don’t make any updates on chess.”
Chess Up 2: Who do you think I am, bro? 👊
Bro took 43 seconds to milk Magnus
Magnus: moves his black king forward
Lelouch Vi Britania: congratulates you
GOTHAM sacrifices the stare in the intro
"We don't care about the engine" -Levy. What if it's better than you?? 🤣🤣
Thank you Levy for the vids as always
This isn’t chess 2.0.
This is loading a save.
levy casually tag teaming both hikaru and magnus at the same time
"The game of chess has been around for THOUSANDS of years"
Dang bro 8 minutes and over a hundred comments? Levy's the goat
They didn't live til 35. The high childhood mortality rate was what brings the average down. People who survived childhood regularly lived into their 60s and beyond
Chess update(1.46)
Did the players have time to study the position before the game or was it a surprise position as they entered?
Gotham never fails to milk magnus and hikaru
11:00
Gotham please
Just because average life expectancy is low doesn't mean people don't live longer. In fact most adults did, the average is tanked by all the kids dying
If I use fortnite the kids will think im cool
BRO I WATCH UR SFA VIDS NO WAY U COMMENT ON GOTHAM UR GOATED BRO I AM A BIG FAN OOOOOOO ❤
These games where a player lets a queen or other piece into their back ranks because they know they can trap it are absolutely fascinating to me.
Damn now he milkin both hikeroo and mango in one video, he’s improving.
9:11 "This position follows a game from 150 YEARS AGO! Some of you weren't even alive back then" 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Magnus Milker: The Sequel
I really like this new format because it’s short and modern. Some food for thought would be to literally highlight the key ideas once for each position to get less experienced players on board with what’s happening in a blink of and eye
Morocco mentioned lesgoooooo
OMFG the clockbait is just geting repetive just embarisin
How was that a clickbait even?
Repetitive and embarrassing
@@michaelmassaro4375 but this wasn't even a clickbait, they were in fact confused and they did in fact play a new format of chess
Just unsuscribe and block, man. Milking the "milking" comment is embarrassing af.
Having a chess format that is a puzzle 1v1 is quite interesting and does spice it up the quite a bit.
Levy milking Hikaru Carlsen and Magnus Nakamura for his content now 💀
How old are you buddy
9:16 "this position follows a game from 150 years ago some of you weren't even alive back then" i knew levy was old but this much? goddam
Oil up
9:17 , EXCUSE ME no one who is watching now was alive back then….. 9:19
Yes
Congrats, you're first!
26:30 Magnus only needed to not lose to win the event if I understood Hikaru correctly, so probably just felt easier and safer to do a repetition
Gotham looks like a Walmart Daniel Radcliffe
They need to play this, but with your average 400 elo chess game
5:51 f3 bishop to e2 would trap the knight and would be a gangster move
bro this is actually fun af like its so exiting what format we can do with this one...like maybe we can make the players choose thier color like armagedon or like themes for the games like seasons stuff...make the game more enjoyable
25:40 because draw was enough
18:58 it's called the "ghikhta ghawza" variation 🗣🗣🗣🗣
They could make a tournament out of this by making some sort of team chess format - 2 players and one gets each side of the position to play
My idea for a new form of chess would be to have the option to pass instead of moving a piece. For each pass you are gaining a "point". You then can use those points to get new pieces, 1 point for a pawn, 3 points for a knight or bishop, 5 for a rook and 9 for a queen. Those would be set on a standard starting potition of the piece.
Whats you thought on it?
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the problem is it could wind up going forever in some endgames
Nice and interesting format. I love your enthusiasm reporting and explaining these games.