I bought this 12/256GB model here at TradingShenzhen: tradingshenzhen.com/en/oneplus-12/oneplus-12-12gb256gb?affp=28685 (Affiliate link) 00:00 - Intro 01:15 - Unboxing 02:00 - Design, screen and features 07:01 - ColorOS, Performance and 5G/4G signal? 11:04 - Bloatware was removed? 11:45 - Antutu score, storage speeds 12:53 - GPU stress test results 13:58 - DRM cert, Safetynet, and Camera 2 API 14:33 - Battery life and charge time 15:37 - Haptics, calls and loudspeaker sample 16:41 - Gaming with Genshin Impact max settings 17:42 - Camera samples, video and stills 20:30 - Final words with Pros and Cons
@@digitbuyno giztop sucks i bought xiaomi 14 pro it was defective i need to to send it back payed 65 euros for sending back and only received a partial refund on the device i basically lost around 170 euros. Because of receiving a faulty product giztop has no responsibility and dont do the things they say they would on their website like refund shipping cost if received a defective device receive a full device refund. I got to pay out of my own pocket because of them. If nothing goes wrong than its great i guess but if something goes wrong and you are located in europe i recommend tradingshenzhen they have repair center in germany poland and austria
Hahaha the one of the best phones. HTC Desire HD. HTC M7. Oneplus 2 5 7pro. Huawei mate 7 8 9 P9 P10 LG G3 Sony Xperia Z Nexus I9250 Samsung Note Edge Note 4 Note 5 9 Xiaomi 11 Ultra 12 Pro 13 Ultra
If you see i have stopped using oneplus since 7pro (of course I did buy 8pro 9pro. But everyone knows).. I have switched to xiaomi since then. Hopefully my next phone could be oneplus flagship 13.
Great review. The US and global versions will hopefully be polished up. Its beautiful and the price point will, once again, bring more people in the US over from the dark side..cough, cough Apple and Samsung.
Great Review! I always opt to upgrade to older flagships if I can find them new, and that is because I genuinely believe that older designs and builds hit a maximum sweet spot. That was around 2019/2020. What manufacturers have done since is go down, and with devices like the OnePlus 12, it seems they are attempting to find that sweet spot again. Recently, I bought myself an Oppo Find X2 Pro from 2020, for well below $500 new. As I watch this review, I feel like this is merely a one-generation upgrade from my current phone, if that!!! (2K LTPO display? Check, properly positioned UDFS? Check, Excellent built/design? Check). The only upgrade to me would be the cameras. However, if you use Google cameras on any phone with decent lenses, you would get solid results. Also, I challenge any new processor to outperform the 865 with real-world differences (game fps/Gitter scores/ general speed).
Great point, I often meantion to others to also look at 2 year old flagships in good condition is a very nice option. As you have stated here they offer almost the same not much has changed.
The whole deal with older phones is to get them used. Why pay... full price for an old phone? X2 is ancient. Oppo still can't really do processing, and back then were barely above Xiaomi. S20 Ultra was available in good condition for 300 eur for at least a year. I helped a person buy P40 Pro in perfect condition for 200 eur just recently. For 400+eur I could've hunted for S22 Ultra at this point, because S21 Ultra even 256GB models were around 400 eur for the last year. And that's for a relatively podunk place(Naples, Italy). Any big city would have a much better used phone selection. Even though phones have indeed somewhat stagnated since 2020(realistically after the camera trifecta revolution of 2019, but 2020 cemented it) - the processing power(especially if you use the phone the right way - with power saving on), the camera hardware and software, RAM and storage - have all improved. Heck, it's not like you are talking about an SD card(which S20 Ultra still had) or SD+headphone jack(that would require a 2019 phone). It is your money and your choice, and 865-870 was indeed the last optimal Snapdragon in terms of performance and power efficiency and manufacturing. However, it is ancient. Even if modern chips throttle by 20% at minimum(it's not like 865 was throttle free entirely) - they are more than twice as fast in almost every regard. From CPU performance that covers EIS and camera processing(better encoding, less judder) to GPU that is approaching PS4 Pro levels of performance to any NPU\AI acceleration that is only going to be more useful as software pool grows. There's a reason why apple is advertising straight up Death Stranding and the likes, with RT to boot - on a PHONE. Though I have to admit that your choice is still better than my friend's who was really adamant about getting Poco F5 just for its SD7g2+ and global ROM. Even though he had it for 300 eur. At least you are getting SOME cameras.
Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective. You make solid arguments, for sure. However, in response to each; I did not pay full price for my Find X2 Pro (€330 to be exact) and it is brand new (12+256)! The full price at its time was €1200. The S20 series was definitely on my radar, however, I could not get any model in a new condition (which was a big deal for me). Regarding the improvements that u mentioned. I briefly used the S21 & 22 & 23 & OnePlus 11, & I believe the S20 series & Find 2 series wipe the flour with the newer models in terms of build and sturdiness & even design in my opinion. As for Software, I most certainly choose Oppo in no small part for the software coherence and features like external Icon pack support & more mature-looking essential apps (phone, messages, … etc). Regarding the remaining hardware, you mentioned. I genuinely challenge you to do a speed test between an 865 phone and an 870/888/8-gen1/ 8+ gen1 & heck even the mighty 8-gen2. Let me know If you can find any differences, to attribute to RAM being LPDDR4 instead of LPDDR4X or storage being UFS 3.0 rather than 3.1. I run G-Impact at 60+ fps for hours on end, with no throttling whatsoever, let's see the 8-gen1 take it for just an hour. I wouldn't dispute your point regarding cameras. However, as I have mentioned, with an appropriate Google camera app and add-ons you would get very solid results with any decent lens system. I don't see any game developer utilizing this so-called PS4-like graphics power, and If you watch Geekerwan's processor analysis video, you would conclude that Android games are mostly CPU-heavy games, and not much has changed since the Adreno 630(SD-845). Apple Silicon is a different game altogether, and I believe they can reach the heights they claim. Also, Xiaomi can never touch any of the BBK electronics brands. OnePlus, on its worst day, would destroy Xiaomi. Although, they did a good job with the 13/14 series to be completely fair. @@WirxawTanev
Challenge accepted. Red Magic 8 Pro demolishes the 865 by miles in intensive and gaming tasks no matter what phone uses it including previous of the same brand.
@@DivineSword1 I assumed that 500$ was mentioned for a reason. That is - that the price was 450 or so. My bad. And by full price I meant retail\clearance price. I won't dispute any software or icon or whatever, I don't customize. And I gave up on Genshin about 2 years ago. I can only compare results of, for example, 3DMark WildLife Extreme, if that one is free. I'll do mine in power saving mode, naturally, you can do yours in any mode, and we can compare the GPU result with my S22. Yes, it's synthetic, but it's representative, unlike Antutu. Otherwise... I'm glad that you enjoy the phone. For all intents and purposes, for 330$ that is definitely not a bad choice, even compared to the newest budget phones.
As Chris didn't mention it for some reason. I will. It's only got an IP65 rating not IP68, that combined with the awful throttling really is disappointing for a so called flagship phone. And it will probably be at least €1,000 when it launches in Europe. Just get an iPhone 15 Pro
@@Kwistenbiebel200 Consumer Law is worth having in the UK as we get 2 years warranty and six years of support for parts that fail within that time that shouldn't. I would not exchange the cost to lose these advantages and better support.
All marketing BS! Next one of these brands Oppo or Xiaomi will claim 7,000 nits. Maybe Oppo will say the Find X7 Pro when released can do 7,000 nits lol. Yet nobody will prove it or be able to reproduce it, what a joke!
I like the still pictures color. Haven't had a oneplus before. Wanna a oneplus one but still a student at that time. Also a bigger battery is a big plus.
Great review as always! Thanks for your great reviews always. I've owned several OnePlus phones in the past and my favorite phone was the OnePlus 8 pro. I was really hoping for OnePlus to finally go to a flat screen however, that's not the case. I'm sick and tired of curved screens. Such a nightmare finding a good screen protector for curved screens.
Just a thought regarding screen brightness. What if phone companies advertise panel capability of achieving screen brightness of this or that nits, but in reality it is dialed down by software due to thermal/battery drain issues? Have you considered this?
This is the very first I've heard of the problems you had with the throttling. Hopefully, you just have a slight lemon phone. My OnePlus 12 will arrive soon and I'm really looking forward to it. With discounts, I paid $599.
Interesting to note Samsung has abandoned curved edges on S24 Ultra launched today. Oneplus 12 is a nice design but maybe the curved edges looking a bit dated now...
im thinking of switching from my s22ultra to oneplus again. i had the oneplus 5 and rocked it for 3 years and sold it. had the samsung s10plus s20 plus and now s22 ultra. so i hope the oneplus 12 is just as good or better then my ultra
Had OnePlus 8 pro - amazing device. Replaced it with Google pixel 8 pro. Apart from all modern AI features, pixel is sucks, slow and glitchy with a terrible ergonomics. Gonna replace it with OnePlus 12 ASAP.
It has been reported online by many users in China that OnePlus, in order to hide the little gap between camera deco plate and middle frame, has injected glue in between them and therefore you'll be able to see the glue filling from the outside, especially on white models. For black and green models they just left the gap there with no glue and the gap will be quite visible. This is most likely a design flaw due to them insisting on this camera deco/island shape, but many people were quite unsatisfied to see such a design flaw on a flagship device that costs this much.
💯 haven't found a replacement yet and like you, my OnePlus 7 Pro is working as good as The day I bought it 4 1/2 years ago. I do miss wireless charging.
Ha ha ha same ol manufacturers not testing enough before releasing to the wild. I appreciate they dont have 1 million employees to test them but come on. You are literally a beta tester if buying a new release from any manufacturer before the first 3 months of release. Purchase 3 months down the line minimum. Great review. Thumbs up.
That's so true I do feel like a beta tester with many phones. So yesterday I got a new patch and the 3Dmark test now doesn't crash but stability is still terrible at 54%
@@Techtablets Its madness I can recollect back in the day buying the iPhone 4, queueing up outside an o2 store (uk network) for the privelage of buying a device that once you put your hand in a certain position the signal dropped to 1 bar ha ha. With weeks upon weeks to fix. Apple consistently year on year with 6.0.1, 7.0.1, 8.0.1 etc etc releases for bugs found by users dying to get their hands on beta units and thus firmware. Thanks for all the footage you keep in your videos. There are out and out criticisms you keep in the content where other channels gloss over stuff and saying they are just "nitpicking" because they are terrified of having the free units revoked by the manufacturer in future.
Considering OnePlus go on and on about their cameras, you'd think they'd be the dogs bollocks. But they're still inferior to say S23 ultra or even iPhone 14 Pro
Screen max brightness level is probably tested on a small 4x4cm (or even smaller) rectangle so that value is significantly lover for the whole screen. Just like on modern TV where manufacturers are using the ABL feature (Automatic Brightness Limiter) which is designed to reduce the risk of burn in when the brightness is not needed, the screen is protecting itself.
Some reviewers saying on UA-cam that they have got defective One Plus 12 . There is a small defect in camera visor and fog and moisture are getting into the lenses. There is also defect in auto brightness sesor , screen is getting completely darkar when on. He shown all that in the video. In china many people returning op12 because of these defects. What is your opinion about that?
My unit I haven't experienced any off those issues so this is why it's not mentioned. But the throttling is my main issue. New patch stopped 3DMark stress test from crashing but it still throttles like crazy far too much.
Why always the fucking curved screen.... I have it on my phone and hates it, whish thet remove this crap, its useless, makes the phone harder to use, I won't buy it just for those bazels
My man, you should reconsider whether to use your daughter's photos in the public videos or not. Now they are children, but someday when they are adults they might say that you should have not used our photos. Btw, you're the best reviewer. Keep doing what you are doing.
STOP WITH THE CURVED SCREENS, ONE+!!!!!! I've passed over so many phones because of this! I'm on the 10T 5G right now, not super impressed with the camera but like everything else.
As much as I absolutely love my Oneplus 11, the Oneplus 12 has very noticeable and promising upgrades at only $50 more than the Oneplus 11. I don't think no other flagship comes close to what it has to offer at its price point. Especially in the US where it'll work on any carrier. Unfortunately the deal that I got on my one 11 probably won't be available anymore. But hopefully they'll still be some deals available for US buyers. Well hopefully other countries too, but I'm in the US.
Hi Chris, excellent review as always! White variant looks cool, added black case is also nice (BTW OnePlus still can add everything in the box, shame on some other brands...). Could you please put the case on and take a photo of the phone in it? I am really interested how does it look 😁
Love the white version and it also comes with 1tb of storage. Cant deal with the chinese rom issues unfortunately so no one plus 12 for me...not a fan of the ugly green or black versions .guess one plus doesnt care about non chinese customers since the 1tb white version is china only
Could you please comment on: 1) voice to text. Google really raised the bar with the Pixel 8 using the Tensor chip's AI hardware to do this, providing excellent V2T in terms of speed and accuracy, whether online or not. Qualcomm is jumping on that train too. Some of us would love to speak our textual messages instead of having to use our fat thumbs on narrow screens. How does the OnePlus 12 do? 2) Does the phone do call recording and, if so, does it work with Bluetooth headsets too? This is important to some of us (thanks for taking that capability away from the Pixels, Google 😡) These are important features for some of us. Your reviews are very good, but they should really cover this too.
1) You get the normal gboard voice to text with it if you install it. Doesn't work great with my NZ accent. 2) Yes this CN ROM allows for call recording. I can't cover every little thing people ask for. Reviews are long enough as they are without trying to factor in call record. Chinese roms have it normally, global ones do not at least EU roms .
@techtablets there's many UA-camrs that cover phones, if you want a bigger slice of the market you should cover things like this user said. Even so though, you are very active in the comments which makes up for it but might be a bit more hassle and time for you. Great work man thanks for answering our questions!
The best feature of my s23 ultra is the system equalizer. It makes my iems sound way better. It has 9 bands (63, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, and 16k). Does the Oneplus12 have this feature? Can you please check?
Rly nice to see u pay attention to small but valuable details like the UI smoothness in 1080p compared to 1440. Appreciated 👍 If possible, pls do a review on the OnePlus 12R and the Redmi K70 (and comparison with the 13T pro) too
OnePlus 12 seems like a minor improvement from the previous OnePlus 11. Apart from 4K capable front camera (more like upscaled 1440p video), new chipset, USB 3.2 port, slightly larger screen & a periscope telephoto lens, there's no incentive for me to buy this over Oppo Find X6 Pro (SD 8 Gen 2 sure but better features).
There's a few of massive quality of life improvements for me: 1. The low brightness lack of flicker and the built in blue light filter in the screen that help reduce eye strain and headaches and improve sleep. 2. The aquatouch screen that means you can use it when moisture on the screen. 3. Finally the battery is amazing both in size, longevity and charging speed.
Thanks for yor information. I wait for de honnor magic 6 pro,choose that i make is de one plus 12 orr honnor magic 6 pro. I wait for the realese date from de honnor magic 6 pro🤞🏻👍🏻
OnePlus has always been plagued with very poor screen brightness. This means you can't see the phone outside in the daylight. It's why I'll never go back to the OnePlus.
Deeply Disturbed with all of you reviewers asking for flat screens really stop this if you want to this phone with a flat screen go buy yourself an iPhone don't ruin one plus. Other models out there for you to buy that have a flat screen.
That deeply disturbes you? Oh dear. Flat screen IQOO 12 has a glorious panel that would have been great on this phone. It's got nothing to do with iphones but the color shift on the curve of the screen.
Damn that benchmark score was disappointing , and the heating too. is this really a snapdragon 8 gen 3 issue because it was the same with Xiaomi 14 pro
I thought the same before I got it and in person seeing it and holding it 100% changed my opinion of it. I prefer symmetrical camera modules but this does look nice this white and silver.
Jesus the video is for rubbish. My oneplus 9 pro does this when you zoom the video does framedrops. i can see it on your footage too. they havent fixed it yet. Such a shame the video on these phones is too bad for the money that y pay.
I restarted my OnePlus 11 1 hr ago and it got stucked in the black screen with the white lil ball going around and it won't fully power on..😡😡 now I'm using my OnePlus 8T...thanks GOD I didn't got rid of it..😂😂
You are very funny When these company talking about 4500 nits it is not for full screen it's for either 10% or 1% window cheer mate 😂😂😂😂 talking about putting wool over your eyes perfect example
I've had my 12 for about a week and i think this phone is an absolute beast, i get 10 hours screen on time with mixed usage. The only 2 things i would change is i wish it was a bit lighter and screen was flat.
I consider this as a upgrade from my Oneplus 7 Pro I use since 4.5 years. Altough there was never so little difference in between while I destroyed my phones every 2 years in the past and I am not sure spending ~800€ with the global release for a phone that cant really do much more and has a punchhole But looks like a great phone!
Same here, pop up cam was the future, terrible to see them abandon it in exchange for gaudy hole punches. I have a 7T pro but it wasn't made for the North American market, so I get kicked off 4g all the time and settled for 3g forever. Unfortunately they're trying to force everyone in Canada into 4/5g only going ahead for easier/accurate surveillance on citizens. Any tips on how to actually let me connect to 4g permanently would be greatly appreciated as I have no intentions of upgrading. 7tp was the peak, I haven't seen anything all that impressive since. Hardcore plateau if not going backwards with most released since.
About 4G/5G connections. I heard that all China's market smartphones are working with 5G in Europe, so it's very good, because when you will buy your smartphone from U.S. market, the 5G won't work at all, or at least i don't know how to unlock the 5G, and i'm very sad with it.
It charges using a proprietary USB-A to USB-C cable, so having a USB-C charger would not be very sensible. The more expensive Chinese flagships include a charger with both USB-A and USB-C, so you can PD charge with the latter.
50W wireless yes. I think global it will be around 800. A huge mark up over the Chinese price. But later I can see this import version being around 600-650 euros.
We have 20% VAT so start with that and add in for extra bands, EU paperwork and safety, IP testing, etc. It all adds up. There is no rip-off, just the West has higher costs of entry versus China.
I think the alleged 4500 nits is only during HDR video playback and only reaches this level in certain parts of the display for a short amount of time. Misleading I know.
Just dropped my 7T, screen first, display went haywire, blue purple contrast leaking and covered the whole screen. Repaired with third party cheap screen and its not the same and now i want to buy the new one
I am a very Happy oneplus 7t owner its really great device but I think its time to go to oneplus 12 but I am really concerne after I watch you review, I dont want to buy a semi work phone and i want to take gen 3 cpu not gen 2. I hope oneplus fix all the problems. But the truth is after your review I am really dissapoint, whats your opinion?
4500 nits if for small part of the screen like 10% or something at once, in HDR mode. also you speak about 8k24fps that no one cares about, but can it shoot 4k120fps?
Those flexing on Apple's iPhone 15Pros when they were released now see the problem; not Apple, simply that small smartphones with no active cooling pushing higher performance reach thermal saturation quickly and cannot sustain performance. No increase in the vapour chamber will solve this. We have reached the limit, so AI and neural engines are the next BIG thing. e.g. AI frame interpolation to boost FPS so the phone GPU/CPU can run at lower wattage. We see Google, Samsung, and Apple leading the way and China close behind. This will be the next step that can make or break smartphones. As for 2024 smartphones, they could be more exciting (not a surprise). 2023 Android phones were worthwhile as we finally got TSMC chips, not Samsung-made junk. But this new-gen, especially Chinese phones, adds little as they have already released all the fancy new cameras, so with an iterative 4nm-v3 chip, it is hard to be excited. I would say to most that if you can get an SD8G2 phone for a big discount, that will be very little difference to 2024 phones.
Yes it's a shocker I really don't know what is going on. Just got a new patch today and going to see if they have improved things. No way they can leave it like this running the SD8Gen3 as slow as an 8Gen2.
People gripe about Apple using ssd as virtual ram as it wears the ssd, why would you want to do that on a phone. 12gb and 16gb, you do not need more ram. Save your storage, it's an ssd.
I knew that the OnePlus 12 global is coming in Januari 2024. I was planning to buy the OP 12 but I bought the OP 11 (4 weeks ago) 16+256 GB global Black, brand new in a sealed box for €500 Euros in the Netherlands, Europe. Got the update already Android 14 on the smartphone. I am satisfied with my OP 11. As always Excellent Review !.
@@TechtabletsThanks ! BTW: I do not like the green one. Already got the Nillkin cover case black with camera protection for my OnePlus 11. Good luck with your channel !
@@glenn1964Was it because it's slippery? Mine (OP10pro) feels like it would slip off anytime without a case. A sandstone shell case gave it the grip it needed with a minimal bit of protection.
I bought this 12/256GB model here at TradingShenzhen: tradingshenzhen.com/en/oneplus-12/oneplus-12-12gb256gb?affp=28685 (Affiliate link)
00:00 - Intro
01:15 - Unboxing
02:00 - Design, screen and features
07:01 - ColorOS, Performance and 5G/4G signal?
11:04 - Bloatware was removed?
11:45 - Antutu score, storage speeds
12:53 - GPU stress test results
13:58 - DRM cert, Safetynet, and Camera 2 API
14:33 - Battery life and charge time
15:37 - Haptics, calls and loudspeaker sample
16:41 - Gaming with Genshin Impact max settings
17:42 - Camera samples, video and stills
20:30 - Final words with Pros and Cons
Does it have display out?
Giztop has better price, and no customs duties.
@@digitbuyno giztop sucks i bought xiaomi 14 pro it was defective i need to to send it back payed 65 euros for sending back and only received a partial refund on the device i basically lost around 170 euros. Because of receiving a faulty product giztop has no responsibility and dont do the things they say they would on their website like refund shipping cost if received a defective device receive a full device refund. I got to pay out of my own pocket because of them. If nothing goes wrong than its great i guess but if something goes wrong and you are located in europe i recommend tradingshenzhen they have repair center in germany poland and austria
wondamobile for pretty much the same you can get 16gb/512gb , Im waiting till global release so these start selling them with Oxygen rom : )
wondamobile even better :) @@digitbuy
I just bought OnePlus 12 white color, oxygen Os, fhe battery somehow drains bit fast , is it normal.
Give it a week or two, it will stabilise.
I am still rocking my 8T. 3 years old and still works perfectly.
Same, it's a fantastic phone!
Great smartphone, 3 years later and still work almost like brand new. It's a shame that software support ends this year.
Do we get android 14? Has it been announced?
7t pro here still 😅
@@MrBarbuneIce7 Pro here! heheh
Picked up my old 7 Plus pro the other day - was shocked at how 'right' it felt.
Still what I use to this day.
Me too, OnePlus 7 Pro all the way!
Hahaha the one of the best phones. HTC Desire HD. HTC M7.
Oneplus 2 5 7pro.
Huawei mate 7 8 9 P9 P10
LG G3
Sony Xperia Z
Nexus I9250
Samsung Note Edge Note 4 Note 5 9
Xiaomi 11 Ultra 12 Pro 13 Ultra
If you see i have stopped using oneplus since 7pro (of course I did buy 8pro 9pro. But everyone knows).. I have switched to xiaomi since then. Hopefully my next phone could be oneplus flagship 13.
@@imroronoazoro meanwhile im switching away from xiaomi because all my xiaomi's break in 2 years
Great review. The US and global versions will hopefully be polished up. Its beautiful and the price point will, once again, bring more people in the US over from the dark side..cough, cough Apple and Samsung.
I hope so they have about a month to get it really for end of Jan global launch. Funny that after posting this review we got a new patch today!
Do we know if this will work properly on Verizon in the US? I know there's been issues with various networks in the past.
@kyerbrandon if it's like the open it should work fine. Verizon is my main carrier.
This is a fantastc phone - I purchased one as soon as the keynote was over - phone of the year 2024 for sure.
Great Review!
I always opt to upgrade to older flagships if I can find them new, and that is because I genuinely believe that older designs and builds hit a maximum sweet spot. That was around 2019/2020.
What manufacturers have done since is go down, and with devices like the OnePlus 12, it seems they are attempting to find that sweet spot again.
Recently, I bought myself an Oppo Find X2 Pro from 2020, for well below $500 new. As I watch this review, I feel like this is merely a one-generation upgrade from my current phone, if that!!! (2K LTPO display? Check, properly positioned UDFS? Check, Excellent built/design? Check). The only upgrade to me would be the cameras. However, if you use Google cameras on any phone with decent lenses, you would get solid results. Also, I challenge any new processor to outperform the 865 with real-world differences (game fps/Gitter scores/ general speed).
Great point, I often meantion to others to also look at 2 year old flagships in good condition is a very nice option. As you have stated here they offer almost the same not much has changed.
The whole deal with older phones is to get them used. Why pay... full price for an old phone? X2 is ancient. Oppo still can't really do processing, and back then were barely above Xiaomi.
S20 Ultra was available in good condition for 300 eur for at least a year.
I helped a person buy P40 Pro in perfect condition for 200 eur just recently.
For 400+eur I could've hunted for S22 Ultra at this point, because S21 Ultra even 256GB models were around 400 eur for the last year.
And that's for a relatively podunk place(Naples, Italy). Any big city would have a much better used phone selection.
Even though phones have indeed somewhat stagnated since 2020(realistically after the camera trifecta revolution of 2019, but 2020 cemented it) - the processing power(especially if you use the phone the right way - with power saving on), the camera hardware and software, RAM and storage - have all improved.
Heck, it's not like you are talking about an SD card(which S20 Ultra still had) or SD+headphone jack(that would require a 2019 phone).
It is your money and your choice, and 865-870 was indeed the last optimal Snapdragon in terms of performance and power efficiency and manufacturing. However, it is ancient. Even if modern chips throttle by 20% at minimum(it's not like 865 was throttle free entirely) - they are more than twice as fast in almost every regard.
From CPU performance that covers EIS and camera processing(better encoding, less judder) to GPU that is approaching PS4 Pro levels of performance to any NPU\AI acceleration that is only going to be more useful as software pool grows. There's a reason why apple is advertising straight up Death Stranding and the likes, with RT to boot - on a PHONE.
Though I have to admit that your choice is still better than my friend's who was really adamant about getting Poco F5 just for its SD7g2+ and global ROM. Even though he had it for 300 eur. At least you are getting SOME cameras.
Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective.
You make solid arguments, for sure. However, in response to each; I did not pay full price for my Find X2 Pro (€330 to be exact) and it is brand new (12+256)! The full price at its time was €1200. The S20 series was definitely on my radar, however, I could not get any model in a new condition (which was a big deal for me).
Regarding the improvements that u mentioned. I briefly used the S21 & 22 & 23 & OnePlus 11, & I believe the S20 series & Find 2 series wipe the flour with the newer models in terms of build and sturdiness & even design in my opinion. As for Software, I most certainly choose Oppo in no small part for the software coherence and features like external Icon pack support & more mature-looking essential apps (phone, messages, … etc). Regarding the remaining hardware, you mentioned. I genuinely challenge you to do a speed test between an 865 phone and an 870/888/8-gen1/ 8+ gen1 & heck even the mighty 8-gen2. Let me know If you can find any differences, to attribute to RAM being LPDDR4 instead of LPDDR4X or storage being UFS 3.0 rather than 3.1. I run G-Impact at 60+ fps for hours on end, with no throttling whatsoever, let's see the 8-gen1 take it for just an hour.
I wouldn't dispute your point regarding cameras. However, as I have mentioned, with an appropriate Google camera app and add-ons you would get very solid results with any decent lens system.
I don't see any game developer utilizing this so-called PS4-like graphics power, and If you watch Geekerwan's processor analysis video, you would conclude that Android games are mostly CPU-heavy games, and not much has changed since the Adreno 630(SD-845). Apple Silicon is a different game altogether, and I believe they can reach the heights they claim.
Also, Xiaomi can never touch any of the BBK electronics brands. OnePlus, on its worst day, would destroy Xiaomi. Although, they did a good job with the 13/14 series to be completely fair. @@WirxawTanev
Challenge accepted. Red Magic 8 Pro demolishes the 865 by miles in intensive and gaming tasks no matter what phone uses it including previous of the same brand.
@@DivineSword1 I assumed that 500$ was mentioned for a reason. That is - that the price was 450 or so. My bad.
And by full price I meant retail\clearance price.
I won't dispute any software or icon or whatever, I don't customize. And I gave up on Genshin about 2 years ago.
I can only compare results of, for example, 3DMark WildLife Extreme, if that one is free.
I'll do mine in power saving mode, naturally, you can do yours in any mode, and we can compare the GPU result with my S22.
Yes, it's synthetic, but it's representative, unlike Antutu.
Otherwise... I'm glad that you enjoy the phone. For all intents and purposes, for 330$ that is definitely not a bad choice, even compared to the newest budget phones.
wtf oneplus video recording is SUPER TRASH for a flagship LOL. Maybe BKG nerf Oneplus for Oppo.
As Chris didn't mention it for some reason. I will. It's only got an IP65 rating not IP68, that combined with the awful throttling really is disappointing for a so called flagship phone. And it will probably be at least €1,000 when it launches in Europe. Just get an iPhone 15 Pro
@@Kwistenbiebel200 Consumer Law is worth having in the UK as we get 2 years warranty and six years of support for parts that fail within that time that shouldn't. I would not exchange the cost to lose these advantages and better support.
After owning a pneplus 9 pro and having experience with the refular oneplus 9, i dont think ill ever get a oneplus again
The honor magic 5 pro vs oneplus 12 -> the better one is?
Weird why all these Chinese companies claim they can get more than 2500 nits while we never saw one even can beat iPhone irl under sunlight
I just asked this from OnePlus support. Nobody answer on chat and email. 4500 nits lol... they can't do even the half of them.
All marketing BS! Next one of these brands Oppo or Xiaomi will claim 7,000 nits. Maybe Oppo will say the Find X7 Pro when released can do 7,000 nits lol. Yet nobody will prove it or be able to reproduce it, what a joke!
Is the bootloader unlockable? Thanks
I like the still pictures color. Haven't had a oneplus before. Wanna a oneplus one but still a student at that time.
Also a bigger battery is a big plus.
White balance turned out to be the most accurate between the S23 Ultra and Vivo X100 Pro in my camera comparison.
@Techtablets as a oneplus fanboy (please no hate😅), would It be advisable to trade in or sell my S22 Ultra for a Oneplus 12?
Great review as always! Thanks for your great reviews always. I've owned several OnePlus phones in the past and my favorite phone was the OnePlus 8 pro. I was really hoping for OnePlus to finally go to a flat screen however, that's not the case. I'm sick and tired of curved screens. Such a nightmare finding a good screen protector for curved screens.
Just a thought regarding screen brightness. What if phone companies advertise panel capability of achieving screen brightness of this or that nits, but in reality it is dialed down by software due to thermal/battery drain issues? Have you considered this?
Then they shouldn't advertise a brightness they aren't going to actually offer.
Still over-exposing and over-smoothing faces, after all these years. They truly refuse to learn.
This is the very first I've heard of the problems you had with the throttling. Hopefully, you just have a slight lemon phone. My OnePlus 12 will arrive soon and I'm really looking forward to it. With discounts, I paid $599.
Excellent deal, amazing phone!!
Im very excited for the global release. I love Oxygen/ColorOS
ColorOS/Oxygen is great
Interesting to note Samsung has abandoned curved edges on S24 Ultra launched today. Oneplus 12 is a nice design but maybe the curved edges looking a bit dated now...
im thinking of switching from my s22ultra to oneplus again. i had the oneplus 5 and rocked it for 3 years and sold it. had the samsung s10plus s20 plus and now s22 ultra. so i hope the oneplus 12 is just as good or better then my ultra
Oneplus 12 and Oneplus 11 Camera comparison please. Thanks and Advance Happy New Year 🎉
Had OnePlus 8 pro - amazing device. Replaced it with Google pixel 8 pro. Apart from all modern AI features, pixel is sucks, slow and glitchy with a terrible ergonomics. Gonna replace it with OnePlus 12 ASAP.
Still using my OnePlus 8 and love it looking for an upgrade cant wait for the January 23.
Great Video mate.
Will the Australian version come in white colour also?
Not sure sorry.
@@Techtablets I just found out from from OnePlus Australia that the white version is for China only sadly...
Want to sell yours? 🤣
It's a really great phone, but the curvature on the display is kinda large for phones in 2024.
Hi Tech, could u please do a review of " Honor 90 pro"?
Hi
How do u feel of the build quality ??
Heard of the cracks in camera module ...
Going strong with my One Plus 6 in red.
6+ years so far 😂
Me too!
It has been reported online by many users in China that OnePlus, in order to hide the little gap between camera deco plate and middle frame, has injected glue in between them and therefore you'll be able to see the glue filling from the outside, especially on white models. For black and green models they just left the gap there with no glue and the gap will be quite visible. This is most likely a design flaw due to them insisting on this camera deco/island shape, but many people were quite unsatisfied to see such a design flaw on a flagship device that costs this much.
I'm not seeing that with my unit, maybe I got lucky?
I just did the test with my Oneplus 12 (16gb Ram) and got 1 902 429 as score with AnTuTu... maybe cause of more Ram or some update...
I just got an update and it seems better now. But I can't get 1,900,000 still around 1,700,000
I’m still using my OnePlus 7 Pro and it’s as smooth as the day I purchased it. Only drawback is it’s stuck in an older Android OS.
💯 haven't found a replacement yet and like you, my OnePlus 7 Pro is working as good as The day I bought it 4 1/2 years ago. I do miss wireless charging.
Terrible video quality
Yes it needs work. EIS and details. Front video is meant to be 4k but seems like 1440p upscaled or maybe even 1080p!
@@Techtabletsthe new Vivo with its 1080p selfie camera looks better than the OnePlus 😂
It seems like Snap8gen3 is very hot, not as hot as Snap8gen1 but never stable like Snap8gen2
This'll probably be my next phone. Patiently waiting for the global version.
Let's hope the global version is better than this version, otherwise I will be keeping my oneplus 10 pro!
If possible get a vivo x100 or iqoo 12/12 pro its far better in most ways
does it make sense to change s23+ to oneplus 12??
no
Ha ha ha same ol manufacturers not testing enough before releasing to the wild. I appreciate they dont have 1 million employees to test them but come on. You are literally a beta tester if buying a new release from any manufacturer before the first 3 months of release.
Purchase 3 months down the line minimum.
Great review. Thumbs up.
That's so true I do feel like a beta tester with many phones. So yesterday I got a new patch and the 3Dmark test now doesn't crash but stability is still terrible at 54%
@@Techtablets Its madness I can recollect back in the day buying the iPhone 4, queueing up outside an o2 store (uk network) for the privelage of buying a device that once you put your hand in a certain position the signal dropped to 1 bar ha ha. With weeks upon weeks to fix.
Apple consistently year on year with 6.0.1, 7.0.1, 8.0.1 etc etc releases for bugs found by users dying to get their hands on beta units and thus firmware.
Thanks for all the footage you keep in your videos. There are out and out criticisms you keep in the content where other channels gloss over stuff and saying they are just "nitpicking" because they are terrified of having the free units revoked by the manufacturer in future.
Considering OnePlus go on and on about their cameras, you'd think they'd be the dogs bollocks. But they're still inferior to say S23 ultra or even iPhone 14 Pro
Yes especially there video performance lags behind a lot.
Screen max brightness level is probably tested on a small 4x4cm (or even smaller) rectangle so that value is significantly lover for the whole screen. Just like on modern TV where manufacturers are using the ABL feature (Automatic Brightness Limiter) which is designed to reduce the risk of burn in when the brightness is not needed, the screen is protecting itself.
It has to be something like this a tiny spot with HDR on but it's not something we can test it seems. Still main thing is I can see it in sunlight.
And that's the most important thing, not numbers. Thanks for another great video. @@Techtablets
Which is why I try not to get too caught up in the marketing stuff of max nits it's a silly game brands are playing now which does annoy me.
Some reviewers saying on UA-cam that they have got defective One Plus 12 . There is a small defect in camera visor and fog and moisture are getting into the lenses. There is also defect in auto brightness sesor , screen is getting completely darkar when on. He shown all that in the video. In china many people returning op12 because of these defects. What is your opinion about that?
My unit I haven't experienced any off those issues so this is why it's not mentioned. But the throttling is my main issue. New patch stopped 3DMark stress test from crashing but it still throttles like crazy far too much.
@@Techtablets thank you very much bro for the reply.
Why always the fucking curved screen.... I have it on my phone and hates it, whish thet remove this crap, its useless, makes the phone harder to use, I won't buy it just for those bazels
My man, you should reconsider whether to use your daughter's photos in the public videos or not. Now they are children, but someday when they are adults they might say that you should have not used our photos.
Btw, you're the best reviewer. Keep doing what you are doing.
Hmm well for now they are young enough and they have said they want to do it. Besides it's only for a few seconds. Just photos not video.
@@Techtablets Anyway, love from Bangladesh
Ok then not a phone for gaming
Nope, not till they fix that bad throttling,
Good bro. Now please review Pixel 8 Pro we are still all waiting 😢
STOP WITH THE CURVED SCREENS, ONE+!!!!!! I've passed over so many phones because of this! I'm on the 10T 5G right now, not super impressed with the camera but like everything else.
As much as I absolutely love my Oneplus 11, the Oneplus 12 has very noticeable and promising upgrades at only $50 more than the Oneplus 11. I don't think no other flagship comes close to what it has to offer at its price point. Especially in the US where it'll work on any carrier. Unfortunately the deal that I got on my one 11 probably won't be available anymore. But hopefully they'll still be some deals available for US buyers. Well hopefully other countries too, but I'm in the US.
I’m wondering why OnePlus didn’t bring back 4k120fps video recording with such a powerful chip when previous flagships had this feature.
Hi Chris, excellent review as always!
White variant looks cool, added black case is also nice (BTW OnePlus still can add everything in the box, shame on some other brands...). Could you please put the case on and take a photo of the phone in it? I am really interested how does it look 😁
Sorry I forgot that in the video
You can measer 4300nits, putting s23 ultra and oneplus 12 togheter in the sunlight and see the différence
Curved screen. Big no no. Mistake from oneplus. Just because of that its not an option for me. I am looking at Nubia z60 ultra or Xiaomi 14? hm
Love the white version and it also comes with 1tb of storage. Cant deal with the chinese rom issues unfortunately so no one plus 12 for me...not a fan of the ugly green or black versions .guess one plus doesnt care about non chinese customers since the 1tb white version is china only
Could you please comment on:
1) voice to text. Google really raised the bar with the Pixel 8 using the Tensor chip's AI hardware to do this, providing excellent V2T in terms of speed and accuracy, whether online or not. Qualcomm is jumping on that train too. Some of us would love to speak our textual messages instead of having to use our fat thumbs on narrow screens. How does the OnePlus 12 do?
2) Does the phone do call recording and, if so, does it work with Bluetooth headsets too? This is important to some of us (thanks for taking that capability away from the Pixels, Google 😡)
These are important features for some of us. Your reviews are very good, but they should really cover this too.
1) You get the normal gboard voice to text with it if you install it. Doesn't work great with my NZ accent.
2) Yes this CN ROM allows for call recording.
I can't cover every little thing people ask for. Reviews are long enough as they are without trying to factor in call record. Chinese roms have it normally, global ones do not at least EU roms .
If you live somewhere in Europe, voice recording then becomes illegal.
@techtablets there's many UA-camrs that cover phones, if you want a bigger slice of the market you should cover things like this user said. Even so though, you are very active in the comments which makes up for it but might be a bit more hassle and time for you.
Great work man thanks for answering our questions!
Instead of spending 150 million on a Hasselblad logo they should have upgraded their camera staff.
Very good point!
I don't get the jitters you get in video recording. And you can now seamlessly switch cameras at 4k 60 fps
Dumb curved glass on both options. Guess I wont buy another phone from One Plus.
Watching on my OnePlus 7 Pro and thinking should I upgrade 👀
Also watching from my 7 pro😅
Me too
Can't get on with a curved screen, aesthetically looks good but impractical.
Prefer the T version.
At 4k60 fps recording can u change the cameras ? Wide to normal to zoom ? While recording. Or only when u set it to 30fps
The best feature of my s23 ultra is the system equalizer. It makes my iems sound way better. It has 9 bands (63, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, and 16k).
Does the Oneplus12 have this feature? Can you please check?
It's not 4500nits entire screen only parts, example a bright light in a HDR Video.
Rly nice to see u pay attention to small but valuable details like the UI smoothness in 1080p compared to 1440. Appreciated 👍
If possible, pls do a review on the OnePlus 12R and the Redmi K70 (and comparison with the 13T pro) too
Thanks. As for the OnePlus 12R and the Redmi K70 no plans to buy those sorry.
@@Techtablets Never mind. Btw The Poco F6 is the same thing, Hope to see u do that. GL
Oneplus more problem? Another throw away type phone?
Another vertical line issues?
Poor support?
Been waiting for this review forever. Thanks. Going to get the global version when it's release.
OnePlus 12 seems like a minor improvement from the previous OnePlus 11. Apart from 4K capable front camera (more like upscaled 1440p video), new chipset, USB 3.2 port, slightly larger screen & a periscope telephoto lens, there's no incentive for me to buy this over Oppo Find X6 Pro (SD 8 Gen 2 sure but better features).
There's a few of massive quality of life improvements for me: 1. The low brightness lack of flicker and the built in blue light filter in the screen that help reduce eye strain and headaches and improve sleep. 2. The aquatouch screen that means you can use it when moisture on the screen. 3. Finally the battery is amazing both in size, longevity and charging speed.
Why in God's name they switched the alert slider with the volume buttons...🤦
Thanks for yor information.
I wait for de honnor magic 6 pro,choose that i make is de one plus 12 orr honnor magic 6 pro.
I wait for the realese date from de honnor magic 6 pro🤞🏻👍🏻
Any chance of updating the Rom for Oxygen OS ? The chinese version would work worldwide?
OnePlus has always been plagued with very poor screen brightness. This means you can't see the phone outside in the daylight. It's why I'll never go back to the OnePlus.
Even with the 12??
Deeply Disturbed with all of you reviewers asking for flat screens really stop this if you want to this phone with a flat screen go buy yourself an iPhone don't ruin one plus. Other models out there for you to buy that have a flat screen.
That deeply disturbes you? Oh dear. Flat screen IQOO 12 has a glorious panel that would have been great on this phone. It's got nothing to do with iphones but the color shift on the curve of the screen.
Damn that benchmark score was disappointing , and the heating too. is this really a snapdragon 8 gen 3 issue because it was the same with Xiaomi 14 pro
Love it but there camera design is disgusting
I thought the same before I got it and in person seeing it and holding it 100% changed my opinion of it. I prefer symmetrical camera modules but this does look nice this white and silver.
Jesus the video is for rubbish. My oneplus 9 pro does this when you zoom the video does framedrops. i can see it on your footage too. they havent fixed it yet. Such a shame the video on these phones is too bad for the money that y pay.
Yes video is the worst part bit flagship level and front 4k to me seems to be fake 4k it looks like 1080p or 1440p upscaled to 4k.
I restarted my OnePlus 11 1 hr ago and it got stucked in the black screen with the white lil ball going around and it won't fully power on..😡😡 now I'm using my OnePlus 8T...thanks GOD I didn't got rid of it..😂😂
You are very funny When these company talking about 4500 nits it is not for full screen it's for either 10% or 1% window cheer mate 😂😂😂😂 talking about putting wool over your eyes perfect example
OnePlus 🤍
I've had my 12 for about a week and i think this phone is an absolute beast, i get 10 hours screen on time with mixed usage. The only 2 things i would change is i wish it was a bit lighter and screen was flat.
It's not the phone it's android 14 they fucked my 10 pro up bad we had the same problem with android 12
Chrome is basically unusable I had to switch to chrome beta and that works normal why do they release this shit if it's not ready
This is not a cheap phone and it heats up like that that's not good one plus has to do something about that
I consider this as a upgrade from my Oneplus 7 Pro I use since 4.5 years. Altough there was never so little difference in between while I destroyed my phones every 2 years in the past and I am not sure spending ~800€ with the global release for a phone that cant really do much more and has a punchhole
But looks like a great phone!
Currently watching this from my 7 pro 😅
Damn i wish they just renew the chipset and battery, i will buy the same design. Popup camera still no problem almost 2024😯
My OnePlus 7 pro is still going strong too 💪
Same here. I'm considering to upgrade from OnePlus 7 Pro to OnePlus 12, mainly because of battery state after all those years of usage.
Same here, pop up cam was the future, terrible to see them abandon it in exchange for gaudy hole punches.
I have a 7T pro but it wasn't made for the North American market, so I get kicked off 4g all the time and settled for 3g forever. Unfortunately they're trying to force everyone in Canada into 4/5g only going ahead for easier/accurate surveillance on citizens. Any tips on how to actually let me connect to 4g permanently would be greatly appreciated as I have no intentions of upgrading. 7tp was the peak, I haven't seen anything all that impressive since. Hardcore plateau if not going backwards with most released since.
Why did they put the front camera in the middle.I liked it much more in the corner
Not sure. The designers thought it was best like this.
I wonder if the Realme GT 5pro isn't a better choice 🤔
About 4G/5G connections.
I heard that all China's market smartphones are working with 5G in Europe, so it's very good, because when you will buy your smartphone from U.S. market, the 5G won't work at all, or at least i don't know how to unlock the 5G, and i'm very sad with it.
I really want to buy it, I just hope the green line doesn't appear after 2 years of use like my OP9
No more an issue
USB type A on the charger? Why comrades, why?
Being like Apple
It charges using a proprietary USB-A to USB-C cable, so having a USB-C charger would not be very sensible. The more expensive Chinese flagships include a charger with both USB-A and USB-C, so you can PD charge with the latter.
How much do you think will be starting price in Europe? OP11 was like 830 € for starting model.
Also it has wireless charging I believe?
50W wireless yes. I think global it will be around 800. A huge mark up over the Chinese price. But later I can see this import version being around 600-650 euros.
We have 20% VAT so start with that and add in for extra bands, EU paperwork and safety, IP testing, etc. It all adds up. There is no rip-off, just the West has higher costs of entry versus China.
Surprised they didn't use a USB Type C to Type C cable for the charger
I understand their proprietary charging is more reliable and faster with USB-A to USB-C.
It's faster
OnePlus motto - Never Settle (until it catches fire😂)
I think the alleged 4500 nits is only during HDR video playback and only reaches this level in certain parts of the display for a short amount of time. Misleading I know.
Just dropped my 7T, screen first, display went haywire, blue purple contrast leaking and covered the whole screen.
Repaired with third party cheap screen and its not the same and now i want to buy the new one
I am a very Happy oneplus 7t owner its really great device but I think its time to go to oneplus 12 but I am really concerne after I watch you review, I dont want to buy a semi work phone and i want to take gen 3 cpu not gen 2. I hope oneplus fix all the problems. But the truth is after your review I am really dissapoint, whats your opinion?
Maybe the Chinese version is missing the vapor chamber.
4500 nits if for small part of the screen like 10% or something at once, in HDR mode.
also you speak about 8k24fps that no one cares about, but can it shoot 4k120fps?
Those flexing on Apple's iPhone 15Pros when they were released now see the problem; not Apple, simply that small smartphones with no active cooling pushing higher performance reach thermal saturation quickly and cannot sustain performance. No increase in the vapour chamber will solve this.
We have reached the limit, so AI and neural engines are the next BIG thing. e.g. AI frame interpolation to boost FPS so the phone GPU/CPU can run at lower wattage. We see Google, Samsung, and Apple leading the way and China close behind. This will be the next step that can make or break smartphones.
As for 2024 smartphones, they could be more exciting (not a surprise). 2023 Android phones were worthwhile as we finally got TSMC chips, not Samsung-made junk. But this new-gen, especially Chinese phones, adds little as they have already released all the fancy new cameras, so with an iterative 4nm-v3 chip, it is hard to be excited. I would say to most that if you can get an SD8G2 phone for a big discount, that will be very little difference to 2024 phones.
Was looking at this as a potential replacement for my aging GS20, but that throttling is downright embarrassing.
Yes it's a shocker I really don't know what is going on. Just got a new patch today and going to see if they have improved things. No way they can leave it like this running the SD8Gen3 as slow as an 8Gen2.
@@Techtablets I hope its not a hardware issue or some design defect with the internal cooling. Thats probably not something they can fix in a month.
OnePlus cameras are always sh_t. Yes, I am a OP owner.
I just don't like how the camera side looks. Meh.
People gripe about Apple using ssd as virtual ram as it wears the ssd, why would you want to do that on a phone. 12gb and 16gb, you do not need more ram. Save your storage, it's an ssd.
Ufs is not a ssd
@@kazumak.1542 still has a limited Rewrite cycle life like SSD.
Thinking to get an new phone. OnePlus 6 here still going strong should i get this on 23 Jan guys? Or pick something else?
I knew that the OnePlus 12 global is coming in Januari 2024. I was planning to buy the OP 12 but I bought the OP 11 (4 weeks ago) 16+256 GB global Black, brand new in a sealed box for €500 Euros in the Netherlands, Europe. Got the update already Android 14 on the smartphone. I am satisfied with my OP 11. As always Excellent Review !.
Nice price!
@@TechtabletsThanks ! BTW: I do not like the green one. Already got the Nillkin cover case black with camera protection for my OnePlus 11. Good luck with your channel !
Yeah not good the green? At least you have slap a case on it thanks for the comments.
@@glenn1964Was it because it's slippery? Mine (OP10pro) feels like it would slip off anytime without a case. A sandstone shell case gave it the grip it needed with a minimal bit of protection.
Same I got 16k the restarted my system an the tried got 18k