Your videos have been amazing for a first-builder like me. Unlike other channels, you explain the part selection process in understandable terms, instead of throwing big words and letters around.
7:00 The best advice I've heard. A slap of reality that I don't need to jump to DDR5. Thanks Jason! I'll probably need your advice again soon (boost my pc build).
I was aiming for 5800x3d but 13600k blew 5800x3d in most aspects. Lower power draw on gaming than 5800x3d, higher power draw by 33% on productivity But it's 50% faster. So it's a good trade. It even run structural computation COMSOL (I'm a civil engineer) nearly twice faster than 5800x3d. And value wise, the platform cost is almost the same with ddr4. As a value builder Intel really won this time imo. 7000series forcing ddr5 is a big reason to leave amd and go for intel this year. I was amd fanboy but the pandemic made me realize every brand is evil LOL. Made me realize to not be a fanboy and just get the good tech with good value!
If you're already invested into the AM4 platform then the 5800X3D makes a lot more sense as a solid upgrade that will last you at least 3 years. If you already have an LGA1700 CPU and motherboard then the 13600K is your new best friend.
Same here mate. Was about to go for 5800X3D from a 5600X for my 3080. Glad I hold for intel 13th gen launch. Since DDR5 prices are nuts and performance it's not that different I'm going for DDR4. AMD served me well but 7000 implying move to DDR5 is just a no. Same aswell for Nvidia RTX4000 forcing to deal with new connector, case and temps.. forget it. Only thing I'm concerned about it's the cooler for the i5 13600K since I have a Masterliquid 360ML from CoolerMaster I'll need to buy new bracket for the 1700 Socket.
Hi Jason, I'm doing my own prebuild myself and really appreciate pointing out that what ever i513600k or 1300kf is cheaper. Saved me about 25.00. Thanks for all the value you put into your videos!
My i5-9600K was struggling to max out my 3070 in a lot of situations. And the 1% low fps was not always good. The turning point was Spider-Man Remastered where the 9600K was loading the GPU below 70%. Last week, I upgraded my system for a 13600K. Now, in every games and situations, the 13600K is maxing out the 3070. And it's so much smoother. For anyone looking fot this kind of combo, I strongly recommend going with DDR5. I bought a cheap 5200 CL38 kit from XPG. I will probably recycle it in another system in 1 or 2 years so I can buy a better kit at a reasonable price.
The last desktop PC I built had a i7-3930K. It will be nice to see what a modern machine can do. Almost went with DDR5, but upon comparing price and benchmarks, DDR4 still made sense.. Especially since I'm looking to max out the memory 128GB. Thanks for the info.
Yeah. Ddr5 would be nice, but I can't justify it. It would just he a future proofing thing and by the time I'd feel the need to get it, I'd just be getting a new processor anyways most likely.
this video is highly relevant to my interests! either later this month for the black friday deals or next month for the xmas season i plan on a 13600 + 3080 + ddr5 build. with a $2000-$2400 budget i have been figuring out which case/mobo/cpu cooler to go with. (edit: as well i am not sure if i want to piece it together myself or order a prebuilt, thus the variance in budget) thanks for the content, i am eating it up right now!
@@nikhilabi2230 i definitely should have clarified that my budget numbers at the low end was from a pcpartpicker list and the higher end was essentially the same or comparable parts as a prebuilt/si purchase. because for me the eternal struggle is whether or not i want to spend the time and effort of waiting for all of the individual parts to arrive from different sources and then putting it all together vs having one thing arrive that is essentially plug and play.
Glad we could help! I'd take the money you are planing to spend on ddr5 and put it into upgrading your GPU though. It will get you way more performance
The "k" variant is often $10 or less in additional cost to the non-k. Just get the K. If you ever have a GPU issue, with a K, you can troubleshoot and limp along. Without the k, you are dead in the water.
Wow! Just put together my first ever build just using only the knowledge I had from watching all your previous videos (before you dropped this one ): - 13600k - $300 - As rock Z690 extreme - $168 - Arctic Liquid freezer 2 240 mm aio - $92 - inland performance pcie 4.0 SSD 1TB $94 - 16gb ddr4 3600 rgb corsair- $60 - Gigabyte OC 3080 - $729 - CX750 power supply - $65 - lian li o11 mini air - $120 How did I do ?
Just a quick note, you really want the Gigabyte z690 Gaming X (V2). Its about $10 more if you can find it and its MUCH more stable for RAM over 3600 and has even better VRMs. V2 easily does DDR4000 cl16 where as the non V2 is not stable over 3600 which is why a V2 was sneakily released!
AND REMEMBER - Update your Intel Management Engine drivers BEFORE flashing to the latest bios to get 13th gen support. I didn't do that and my B660 board was unable to see my PCIe4 SSD w/ Windows 11, even though it had no problem booting w/ the 13600K. Can't explain it, just know it happened.
This was the exact video I was waiting for. I am doing my first build and was going to buy 12600k but I couldn't justify for the price. This just reiterate my thoughts. Pulled the trigger on a 13600k after watching. Also helped me on my choice for psu. Was going to get a 6800xt paired with this CPU so I was going to get 850 but this has opened my mind to a full 1000 watt psu.
@@s1mph0ny I agree. I used two separate online PSU calculators and at most was a 750. None of the results said 1000 watts at least based on my findings.
With the cost jump from 850w to 1000w being about 20$ I would gladly take the extra overhead to ensure all my future upgrades will get sufficient and clean power.
Did a build around this chip and a 3080ti/DDR5. I'll just say, be careful about what z690 board you buy, as unless you have access to a 12th gen Intel chip, make sure you have Bios flashback. I had an Asus Tuf Gaming z690 that I had to take to a local computer store because my comp wouldn't boot into Bios since it couldn't recognize the CPU. Just a heads up for anyone looking to save on a Z690 and go 13th gen intel.
@@jerstah If you have a capable Motherboard, their should be a button on the Motherboard and a dedicated USB port which you download the required version of the Bios for you Motherboard. Insert the USB key and press the bios flashback button. Sometimes its just two pins you'd have to jump with a screwdriver (or a small metal object you hold near it). Tons of UA-cam videos on this.
For me personally, I've found that one terabyte of memory just doesn't cut it anymore given all of the games I like to play. And considering that games nowadays take up a lot of space. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes, In true data and game hoarder fashion likely am migrating games from 1 tb to 20tb. Main game I play is 96.3 Gb across all versions, so they are 4k file size or larger. The older titles aren't as bad though as far as hogging space. I moved games from 3 tb hdd to 1 tb next they will go on the larger one with perhaps the 1 tb as backup. Friend of mine years ago had 2 tb ssd for all his games, so I probably should have planned similarly. It's more about archival and being able to play whatever, than my actually playing the library. Have about 27 tb of storage now, not having room for whatever was giving me anxiety so horribly.
section at 7:00 is the first section to start with, for anyone building a PC. this section only eliminates 80% of mental stress when choosing parts, because it eliminates the trap of "future proof" concept. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I disagree with the b660 mb, there are a few that are around 100$ less than the cheapest z690 and z790 that can easily handle this cpu, also nowadays overclocking is not worth it and overclocking this CPU better that what turbo boost can do is pretty hard even with some experience. The only reason I would recommend a z690 o z790 is because of more PCI lanes and USB, but even like that, premium b660 mb that cost the same as entry level z690 or z790 usually have the same specs on ports and PCI but premium b660 have more features like premium audio, wifi, Bluetooth. I like your videos since you always make good recommendations, but this time I think you made a huge mistake with b660 mb
In 2022 most gamers rated the i5 12400 to be the best performance to price. Been conflicted on MBs, but I think the one you mentioned would do well. Paired with the RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT was what I was thinking or going with the 7600 that was just released. 32gbs of ddr4 at 3200 and a 750-850w semi to fully modular PSU seems straight. Think this is a pretty decent mid level 1440p experience that has room to upgrade. Get frustrated with case selection though. And PSUs are very expensive right now. But that MB selection seems great. I hate having to upgrade MBs, as it requires taking everything apart.
Can we get a "best cases for 2022" video? For me, cases are a tough one, some have better airflow, some are better for modding, others are simply just good looking... Given the quality of your videos, It would be great to see your opinion on some of your favorite PC cases for 2022.
For someone who is always saying to check the motherboard’s audio codec, I’m surprised that you recommended a motherboard that doesn’t have anything other than a line out.
the amount of effort, care and enthusiasm you put in your videos is astonishing. from time stamps to tiny details that people with ocd like me care about. s-tier contnet. thank you you deserve much more subs
The integrated video on the K CPUs isn't just for content providers. It is extremely useful when setting up your PC and it's great for an additional monitor (I've got 4). Also, sometimes, oddly, the K is cheaper than the KF due to sales. For instance I got an i5-10600K for $200 years ago but the KF was $230. As always your mileage may vary.
@@vacakgagyi5248 I'm a developer, I do content creation, and I also game. All the monitors are useful for different things in each use case. For gaming I normally use three (game, guide, UA-cam/Spotify), but I often use all four for work (dev, test output/deployment, virtual machines monitoring, and the website I'm working on).
It's a bit disingenuous to suggest only video editors should get a K model and everyone else should get KF if it's cheaper. There are many benefits to troubleshooting GPU issues by having a processor with an integrated GPU that make the extra $10-$15 worth it. A couple right off the top of my head include a faulty GPU right out of the box. Imagine finishing a build and you get no video output, an integrated GPU will help you discern that the problem is in fact the discrete GPU. Another example is a bad VBIOS flash. You can recover your GPU if you can boot your computer with the integrated GPU. Otherwise this video was very solid.
Thank you for all of your sane content. I love that you focus on practicality rather than the most expensive thing you can possibly build. I've been thinking about upgrading from the Skylake machine I built several years ago and you've given me a lot of food for thought.
@@PCBuilderChannel So can this cpu run a ddr 6000 ? Because in the intel specs website it says that the max speed that this cpu could run is 5600. I am stuck there in neither should I pick a 6000 or a 5600
I have just built a PC with an i5-13600K as a replacement for an intel 7700 that I use as my daily driver. I am not a gamer, but I find the gamer-creator community is a great resource for the computers that I build or buy for my family. I used a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard and an NH-15DS CPU cooler. I chose the 15DS due to the narrow Fractal Design Pop Air case. The cooling is good with the HWMonitor reporting a 60 C CPU rise from idle to full load. Cinebench scores are 2176 for single thread and 24328 for multi-thread. The CPU package draws 168 W, with 225 W coming out of the wall receptacle. The power supply is RM650X 80 Plus Gold. Assuming 80% efficiency That is only 180 W measured on the supply side. This leaves about 470 W continuous for a graphics card. I have ordered two different graphics cards, the first is an Intel Arc A770, while the second is an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090. The A770, with a total board Power (TBP) of 225 W will be used in my new daily driver. The 4090 will be used in a similar build with a refaned Pop Air, water-cooled with an Artic Freezer 280, and an RM850X 80 Plus Gold. This would make a great gaming PC but is a replacement for a work PC I built with an i7-12700K with a 3090 FE.
About the PSU's, I know your builds are pretty much revolved around 1.5x the power, but I've seen many other builds, with more power hungry components with smaller psu's, like an i7 13700k with an rtx 3080 and an 850W PSU, and it seemed to be fine. Is it actually fine or not?
I’m running a 13600k @ 5.3Ghz and an overclocked 3080 ftw3 (triple 8 pin connectors) with a 750w Evga supernova G2 from 2015. Max benchmarking load is ~600w. With no issues. I think it’s possible to run a lower wattage power supply, just make sure it’s a quality one (this PSU was rated very highly in it’s time)
I had a 5600X and a 3080, my computer shut off a couple times with a 850 watt psu. It was a good seasonic one as well. Switched to 1000 watt EVGA and have had no problems. (now with 5800X3D)
Man, I just threw a pcpartpicker list together for the first time in like 3 or so months, GPU prices went back up again. I was in the market for 3080 12gb's back when I was checking a ton and they were around 7-800$ usd and now the 3080 12gb I want is upwards of 1300$. Real shame, because I am finally at the point where I've saved up enough to start looking again, but I'm gonna be stuck waiting for prices to come down, or maybe I'll have to save a bit more and start looking at 4080's, because 1300 for a 3080 seems silly when brand new 4080s are in that range.
3080s, 3090s and even 3070s are selling out. Is there a reason you can't go AMD? Unless you do a lot of video editing they are much better price to performance options right now for gaming
Just go with the 6800 xt, they are 550-600 and perform just as good if not better than the 3080. If it’s just a AMD thing than go for the 4070TI for 840
Finally finished my build with this CPU and 3070 combo. First time Fortnite on high settings and it looks so beautiful.... Way better than playing it in lowest settings on my phone. Can't wait to start streaming... Thanks!!
Still can’t decide between these three cpu choices for my new build. They all have their downsides. Almost seems best to go with the dead end AM4 5800x3d build for gaming since even the 7600x build’s motherboard would need to be replaced for better DDR5 in the future.
I’m in the same situation except I’m building all new from nothing. I’m thinking about going AM5 w/ 7600x and ddr5 so I’ll have more flexibility in the future if I want. but the AM4 with 58003dx with ddr4 would be enough for my gaming wants. 4k gaming is all I’d like but could settle for 1440 if the cost difference was over 1.5k
9:48 "now If you dont care about the audio", I would like to know what the real difference is in that. I saw that there is line-in and line-out plug, but what in specific do they change? Is the Audio better that way? What can I expect? I also heard that updating the bios of the motherboard will require you to have a specific type of cpu to be able to do that, is that right?
Love your videos, very helpful. When do you think you’ll be putting out a video for black Friday sales? Especially mid range for a hybrid productivity/gaming rig?
As soon as we start seeing deals we will start posting them with community posts and on twitter @pcbuilderjason. We plan to start dedicated Black Friday videos on the 19th but that's subject to the deals of course (;
I greatly appreciate the input on ddr4 vs ddr5. I've been battling this choice for a few weeks now. At this time, I'm still going z790 ddr5, because Im too scared to flash the bios on a 690, and I've read that 13th gen runs 30-50% slower on 690s. Could just be a tactic to buy 700 series board, but nonetheless. And I'm opting for a 5200 or 5600 16gb ddr5 kit. Pricing I've found is between 90-120$. I'm going to do that and in a year or so, if the pricing comes down, I'll upgrade kits. 16gb should suffice.
I'd go with 32GB 5200 which you should be able to find for $160 or so. Good z690s run the CPUs at full speed and flashing the bios is trivial if the mb has a dedicated USB slot for it. You just copy a file and push a button. I have a 13th gen i5 and Tomahawk z690 working happily here.
I was 15minutes old insise the video when I finally noticed that cat. Don't do that!! Don't keep a black cat on your building table, or he's gonna build an absolutely giganormous cyborg with all that knowledge he's absorbing
Hello Jason! Firstly, thank you for providing such relevant and educative information on the daily. Currently, I am building myself a new PC, and have already pruchased a 6800 XT, 13600KF, Z690 Gaming X DDR5, Kingston Fury Beast 5200 2x16GB CL40, Pure Power 11 1000W, KC3000 1GB,AK620 and the Thermaltake v350. Can you please advise if there is anything I have overlooked and can improve in this? Also, I have seen the argument that even CL36 or CL40 DDR5 Ram, which has worse timings preforms better than current fast DDR4, what is your take on this? Keep up the good work, and thank you for everything you are providing for free. Cheers!
It depends on your application and how sensitive it is to RAM latency vs bandwidth. For example, DDR4-3200 CL16/DDR4-3600 CL18 provide ~50GB/s of bandwidth with 10ns latency. Your DDR5-5200 CL40 provides ~81GB/s with 15ns latency. What are your applications? Some workloads such as Excel, 7zip/WinRAR, code compilation and some games love the extra bandwidth DDR5 gives them and care little for latency. But some latency sensitive games might not react so well (however Raptop Lake's improved caches can mitigate this somewhat).
@@kirby0louise Thank you for your information, I have seen that the DDR5 Ram responds differently for different type of tasks, but in newer games the performance seems present. I can understand the login behind people who stick with DDR4, as when I decided to use the 13600KF I decided to leave myself space for "Future Proofing", but as Jason said, most likely by the time I need the upgrade, I do not think the better Ram will make a difference, but the DDR5 memory slot might, who knows. Thank you for your comment nontheless. Cheers!
thank you for the all the info! how relatable this can be for an i7 13700k + 4080 build? In terms of mobo/psu/cooling? I am new to PC building things, but looking for upgrade... pretty much learning everything from youtube and your channel in top-3 most watched for sure ^^ thanks once again
How much is the price of your build going to be? I created a build similar with a 3080 and 850w psu and a aio cooling and it’s ranging to 2100. Surely yours will be much higher because you can’t cheap out on the other parts
Yep! See the pinned comment. UA-cam is processing the correction (just delete the section where my math is wrong lol). Appreciate it! 3 videos in a week scrambles my brain a bit (;
Thank you very much! I am learning a lot since I watch your videos! I plan to use a 13700KF with a rtx 4080. Picking case and AIO is driving me crazy. I want a better refrigeration (maybe 280-360mm) but in order to mount it on the top, it would need a bigger case, do you think it is really needed? What do you think is the smartest AIO + Case combination for this build? I really appreciate your work.
Just did a i5-13600K build after watching previous videos. I went for a 1000W power supply for future GPU upgradeability in mind (bought a used 2080 Super for $300 to start with). I did go with DDR5 on a z690 motherboard as I thought it might have benefits in video editing and also got K for the iGPU. I got very high scores in a benchmark for Vegas Pro with this combination and for a total cost of about $1800 US. I will pick up a second m2 drive when prices come down to keep cache and swap files off the main hard drive.
All the parts were high quality. I got a used z690 Tomahawk from Amazon Warehouse but it was like new. There's a Hynix P41 2TB drive on sale now which would make this build even cheaper today. Corsair 1000W cooler. Lian Li II Mesh case, Corsair Vengeance ram 5200 (64GB).
Wasn't there some information that came out that a Z690 mobo can make a 13th gen cpu lose up to 20% preformance? DDR5 is starting to see a noticeable fps gain over DDR4 in some games too so it's definitely beginning to settle in. I guess if you have the extra cash to splooge go for z790 + ddr5 but if you wanna save like 200-400bucks go for ddr4 z690.
@@rsmith02 "research them before you buy" Lmao i did by watching a video where some z690's were causing the 13th gen cpus to lose performance. But it dont matter, i went with the gigabyte z790 elite ax and 13700k. works flawlessly
Thanks for all your awesome videos, thanks to you I was able to decide on my new system. This is my new setup: Case: - Cooler Master MasterBox MB530P Motherboard: - MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI CPU: - Intel Core i5 13600KF - 3,5Ghz Memory: - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 32GB(3600Mhz) White SSD: - Samsung 980 PRO 1TB (M.2) GPU: - AMD RADEON RX 6800 XT 16GB CPU cooler: -- Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB Any toughts? :) Cheers!
12600k i5 Intel with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 LGA1700(Intel® 12th Gen) ATX Gaming Motherboard(PCIe 5.0,DDR4,16+1 Power Stages,WiFi 6,2.5 Gb LAN,BT v5.2,Thunderbolt 4,4xM.2 and Front USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Type-C. White/RGB build
▶Sponsor: NordPass exclusive deal +4 additional months FREE nordpass.com/pcbuilder *NOTE: 13600K has 14 cores, not 10. Still 20 cores.* What GPU are you looking to pair with the 13600K? What motherboard, RAM, cooler are you going with? Tell your story in a new comment below!
@PC Builder little question. why do you pair the CPU with 3600 RAM when it's rated for 3200 RAM? am i missing on something? how far up DDR4 can you actually go?
You can use it but what I've heard is with k cpus always getting a z series motherboard for tuning voltages and overclocking speed is better. On b series it will run but it will be hot i heard. Again I read all this stuff on Reddit. So
Yeah I'm looking at this build for Nov 2023 using a Sapphire Radeon 7800XT and estimated wattage is 562W. A multiplier of 1.5 brings it just under 850. 1000W PSU seems a tad bit too much
Always better to get the k vs kf on any cpu - its only a few bucks more and if you ever have a problem with your gpu you can still boot up and have a display for troubleshooting.
I have a serious question... Should I choose "Kingston Fury Renegade 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16" instead of G.Skill Ripjaws that you put on your video? Can you explain me please what's the difference or if its equal memory ram?
@@kelley09162 I'm asking for the difference because the Kingston Ram as "16-20-20 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.88ns". The G.Skill Ram as "16-19-19-39 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.89ns". In my country the Kingston is slighty cheaper than G.Skill. And I want to know what's the difference in perfomance between them or if is better choosing the Kingston ram instead of G.skill for this i5-13600kf build :) HELP ME xD
19:11 isn't it better to use a ddr5 kit with only 5600? On the intel website it says that the 13600k only supports mhz up to 5600 or did i get something wrong?
i have a i5 13600k, radeon 6700, ddr5, z690a tuf wifi plus, and i only have a corsair cx 650m which seems to power everything just fine. no issues no crashing while gaming or anything. i also have an ie 214 $20 cooler and it cools it just fine while gaming. doesn't go above 80 degrees under a heavy gaming load. yes, if you want to run synthetic loads in cinebench and get high scores in that than you should get a better cooler, otherwise, this 20$ cooler works just fine for gaming. and for the psu, you don't need more than 750W. this dudes high recommending 1000w psu's. only need that if you have a 4000 series gpu, even then you'd prob be ok with 800w
Your videos are amazing for first-builders and non experimented people, it's been 3 weeks that I watch videos daily and look for what AIO to use, what MB etc. and that's the first time I have a simple and clear answer... I went here just to know what MB I needed and you told me everything I needed and should have known xD Thanks a lot, your work is astonishing, not and never less.
I have to disagree with the idea that having the integrated GPU on an intel CPI is not necessary and doesn't matter unless you're a serious video editor or doing production tasks. When trying to flash a new bios onto my RTX3080 on my AMD system, I was unable to do it and had to put the card into my intel system so that the screen would stay on and not turn black when I flashed the bios for the 3080. Now this is an obscure circumstance but I can think of a few times where i wished I had an IGPU like they do on intel chips
@PC Builder Could you please guide me about my temps? I have 13600K with a 240mm frostflow lite, and max temps on cinebench r23 on CPU package hit 91C. I am worried. Plz do reply to me, Big fan of you.
Purchasing a 13600k and a rx6950xt. At first I thought it was going to be to much CPU but it looks like I made a decent choice. I was only looking to spend around $600 on a gpu so I decided on the RX 6950XT instead of the rtx 4070. Good to know maybe in a few years throw a 4090 with that cpu and I can upgrade my 1440p rig into a 4K monster. I also had to upgrade my mobo because I am coming from a 2060 super and a i5-9600k.
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks you for replying. Also i saw that you helped the people affected by the latest earthquake in Turkey and you donated to the food banks. We were woken up by the quake at 3 am and it was a horrifying experience even though we’re 400 miles away. I also just subbed to your channel, i finally specced my PC and i’m gonna get it this weekend, spent way over my 1200$ budget😬. Thanks again.
Most people aren't going to see any difference between DDR4 and DDR5 in performance. DDR4 is cheaper though currently. Though I think Intel for the future 14th gen is going DDR5 only in the future. If future upgradable is a concern for you buy a DDR5 motherboard for 13th gen and then in the future you will be able more easily to move from a Z790 DDR5 board to a future Z890 DDR5 board(or whatever the next gen chipset is going to be called).
A lot of people seem worried about the wattage provided by their psu. I see there are a lot of well known retailers on and online offering raptor lake 13600k cpus and 3070 ti card pcs, bundled with anything from 650W to 850W power supplies, but hardly ever above 850W. I can only assume an 850W should be fine as long as it's from a reputable brand and you aren't overclocking, or at least not adding any extra power hungry parts
Depends on your GPU choice and other factors. Hop over to our Best PSU 2022 for way more on this. My recommendation are on the conservative side but I have learned to not mess around with PSU choices (;
I'm a bit confused about PSU power. Do i really need a 1000-1200W PSU with that 13600k and let's say a new 7900xt from amd? pcpartpicker shows a relatively lower power needed
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you ! So the best thing to do is actually checking the individual power needed from components, sum all of them but taking the GPU one as x2.5 for safety... or as you said in the video, take the total, multiply by 1.5 and then add 100W as nvidia tax :D
I actually started the channel because I returned to pc building after a break and wishes their was a channel to get me all caught up! So glad we can help (:
Hi Jason, I noticed that you said anything lower than a RTX 3070 would bottleneck the i5 13600k. What would the minimum GPU requirement be for the i7 13700k? Would appreciate your insight. Thanks.
He's has a video released around 3 months ago about Best CPU and GPU Combo so what he is saying in this video also applies to the i7 13700K. Minimum for is Nvidia = RTX 3070 and for is AMD = RX 6800.
dude, youre literally solving every single question I ask to myself into 20 minutes videos. Im starting to suspect you can read our minds lol. Thanks alot for the content. Just awesome the specific and acurate they are. GZ!
Hi Jason, I see that you have paired a z690 aorus ultra ATX motherboard with a 6400 DDR 5 kit. Isn't that a problem because on the specs of that particular motherboard the max ram is a 6200 DDR5?
That's the base speed of the Ram, but every kit (as we say in the video) you'll want to activate the XMP profile to enable overclocking. That's the thing people forget to do (;
DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK. Even in extended load it does not allow it to exceed 80°, on a day-to-day basis it keeps it at 32° to 34°, without problem. Highly recommended.
I have a 13600kf on a B660 Asus ROG Strix mini ITX with Crucial DDR5 Ram and a MSI 240 mm cooler. I have seen 193.6 Watts and 81 degrees when all 20 cores were running constant 100% for 10 minutes straight running photogrammetry, everything else stayed cool, so yeah I can vouch for this board He is right you need to get a board with a decent VRM for this chip. When purchasing I know of one board which only supplies 150 Watt. DDR5 cost me $70 extra over equivalent crucial 3200 DDR4 ram. With what I do with this machine overclocking is pointless because my software runs it so hard I couldn't cool it anyway.
Just found your channel and planning on building a new computer, although the price part is off for me seeing i live in a different country, everything else has been really helpful!!! also the are nice to watch 🙂
Damn, yesterday I finally sold my Robotron KC85/3, those 1.75 MHz (!) were a bit basic... Altough this is actually a true story, for the last 5 yrs I was okay with my i5-4570 with GTX970, can still play Forza Horizon 5 nowadays or two android emulator at once, even on Ryzen 1200. And now I got a used rig with a i7-9700 and RTX2070 and I'm happy with it, satifies my use cases. And I see people pondering about 4 gens newer CPUs and 2 gens newer GPUs and a new DDR with another twice performance. Guys, get a good price/value of what came out the latest years and you have more time to actually play and more money for games, instead of pondering to much, life is to short.
Do you think the 7000 series 3d chips will be good for productivity and gaming? Considering waiting a year until prices for ddr5 and am5 motherboards drop a little.
Does 12th gen requires bios update for B660 motherboard to even work? Or can i just buy i5 12 400f and ANY B660 motherboard and it will work without any bios update?
Your videos have been amazing for a first-builder like me. Unlike other channels, you explain the part selection process in understandable terms, instead of throwing big words and letters around.
Thank you for the feedback! That means so much to us.
@@PCBuilderChannel What is the best bang for the buck Air cooler for socket 1700?
It's bad luck not to have a black cat in a video.
The cat agrees...
Oh you mean a BEM BEM! Thats my black kitties name!
Lmao
I see them at 11:00😊
No..? Where would he even get a black cat
7:00 The best advice I've heard. A slap of reality that I don't need to jump to DDR5. Thanks Jason! I'll probably need your advice again soon (boost my pc build).
So glad we could help! I see a lot of people overspending in that department
I was aiming for 5800x3d but 13600k blew 5800x3d in most aspects. Lower power draw on gaming than 5800x3d, higher power draw by 33% on productivity But it's 50% faster. So it's a good trade. It even run structural computation COMSOL (I'm a civil engineer) nearly twice faster than 5800x3d.
And value wise, the platform cost is almost the same with ddr4. As a value builder Intel really won this time imo. 7000series forcing ddr5 is a big reason to leave amd and go for intel this year.
I was amd fanboy but the pandemic made me realize every brand is evil LOL. Made me realize to not be a fanboy and just get the good tech with good value!
Well said!! Glad you got what you needed!
Good info. Thanks.
If you're already invested into the AM4 platform then the 5800X3D makes a lot more sense as a solid upgrade that will last you at least 3 years. If you already have an LGA1700 CPU and motherboard then the 13600K is your new best friend.
@@Niranjan_Mavath_ALT and if you are coming from an i5 3570k what would u do? amd or intel? or wait for something?
i wanna upgrade soon
Same here mate. Was about to go for 5800X3D from a 5600X for my 3080. Glad I hold for intel 13th gen launch. Since DDR5 prices are nuts and performance it's not that different I'm going for DDR4. AMD served me well but 7000 implying move to DDR5 is just a no. Same aswell for Nvidia RTX4000 forcing to deal with new connector, case and temps.. forget it. Only thing I'm concerned about it's the cooler for the i5 13600K since I have a Masterliquid 360ML from CoolerMaster I'll need to buy new bracket for the 1700 Socket.
Hi Jason, I'm doing my own prebuild myself and really appreciate pointing out that what ever i513600k or 1300kf is cheaper. Saved me about 25.00. Thanks for all the value you put into your videos!
Glad to help!
My i5-9600K was struggling to max out my 3070 in a lot of situations. And the 1% low fps was not always good. The turning point was Spider-Man Remastered where the 9600K was loading the GPU below 70%. Last week, I upgraded my system for a 13600K. Now, in every games and situations, the 13600K is maxing out the 3070. And it's so much smoother.
For anyone looking fot this kind of combo, I strongly recommend going with DDR5. I bought a cheap 5200 CL38 kit from XPG. I will probably recycle it in another system in 1 or 2 years so I can buy a better kit at a reasonable price.
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing
the 13600k is an absolute monster
What motherboard did you use?
@@enmanuellopeztaveras2915 Sorry I'm late on this one; Gigabyte Gaming X Z690 DDR5.
The last desktop PC I built had a i7-3930K. It will be nice to see what a modern machine can do. Almost went with DDR5, but upon comparing price and benchmarks, DDR4 still made sense.. Especially since I'm looking to max out the memory 128GB. Thanks for the info.
So glad we could help!
Yeah. Ddr5 would be nice, but I can't justify it. It would just he a future proofing thing and by the time I'd feel the need to get it, I'd just be getting a new processor anyways most likely.
this video is highly relevant to my interests! either later this month for the black friday deals or next month for the xmas season i plan on a 13600 + 3080 + ddr5 build. with a $2000-$2400 budget i have been figuring out which case/mobo/cpu cooler to go with. (edit: as well i am not sure if i want to piece it together myself or order a prebuilt, thus the variance in budget) thanks for the content, i am eating it up right now!
You can do much better with that budget
@@nikhilabi2230 i agree id wait for rdna 3 or 4080
@@nikhilabi2230 i definitely should have clarified that my budget numbers at the low end was from a pcpartpicker list and the higher end was essentially the same or comparable parts as a prebuilt/si purchase.
because for me the eternal struggle is whether or not i want to spend the time and effort of waiting for all of the individual parts to arrive from different sources and then putting it all together vs having one thing arrive that is essentially plug and play.
Got a 3090ti for 1000$.Should be able to get better than a 3080
Glad we could help! I'd take the money you are planing to spend on ddr5 and put it into upgrading your GPU though. It will get you way more performance
The "k" variant is often $10 or less in additional cost to the non-k. Just get the K. If you ever have a GPU issue, with a K, you can troubleshoot and limp along. Without the k, you are dead in the water.
Wow! Just put together my first ever build just using only the knowledge I had from watching all your previous videos (before you dropped this one ):
- 13600k - $300
- As rock Z690 extreme - $168
- Arctic Liquid freezer 2 240 mm aio - $92
- inland performance pcie 4.0 SSD 1TB $94
- 16gb ddr4 3600 rgb corsair- $60
- Gigabyte OC 3080 - $729
- CX750 power supply - $65
- lian li o11 mini air - $120
How did I do ?
Congrats on your build! So glad we could help!
Looks like a solid build to me.. congrats! I hope you have a ton of fun with it.
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks !
@@americasace thanks !
you could've gotten a better power supply, considering you bought an OC 3080, but not bad for a first build. will last you for a while. good job!
Just a quick note, you really want the Gigabyte z690 Gaming X (V2). Its about $10 more if you can find it and its MUCH more stable for RAM over 3600 and has even better VRMs. V2 easily does DDR4000 cl16 where as the non V2 is not stable over 3600 which is why a V2 was sneakily released!
would this be good as i want to put corsair vengeance lpx 2x16 4000 cl18 in it ? thanks
AND REMEMBER - Update your Intel Management Engine drivers BEFORE flashing to the latest bios to get 13th gen support. I didn't do that and my B660 board was unable to see my PCIe4 SSD w/ Windows 11, even though it had no problem booting w/ the 13600K. Can't explain it, just know it happened.
This was the exact video I was waiting for. I am doing my first build and was going to buy 12600k but I couldn't justify for the price. This just reiterate my thoughts. Pulled the trigger on a 13600k after watching. Also helped me on my choice for psu. Was going to get a 6800xt paired with this CPU so I was going to get 850 but this has opened my mind to a full 1000 watt psu.
So glad we could help!!! And you can head over to our Best PSU 2022 video to follow the method there to double check what you need for PSU
That combo won't even need 600W. Honestly I don't even think you'd need 1000 for a 4090 with a 13600k.
@@s1mph0ny I agree. I used two separate online PSU calculators and at most was a 750. None of the results said 1000 watts at least based on my findings.
With the cost jump from 850w to 1000w being about 20$ I would gladly take the extra overhead to ensure all my future upgrades will get sufficient and clean power.
Minimum 750 w maximum 850 watt psu is enough
Did a build around this chip and a 3080ti/DDR5. I'll just say, be careful about what z690 board you buy, as unless you have access to a 12th gen Intel chip, make sure you have Bios flashback. I had an Asus Tuf Gaming z690 that I had to take to a local computer store because my comp wouldn't boot into Bios since it couldn't recognize the CPU. Just a heads up for anyone looking to save on a Z690 and go 13th gen intel.
Yes good tip!
@@PCBuilderChannel Are there no Z690's that come ready for 13th gen out of the box?
@@PatrickMoog Not yet, only Z790s are at the moment. You need to flash the bios with any 600 series motherboards.
How do you flash bios?
@@jerstah If you have a capable Motherboard, their should be a button on the Motherboard and a dedicated USB port which you download the required version of the Bios for you Motherboard. Insert the USB key and press the bios flashback button. Sometimes its just two pins you'd have to jump with a screwdriver (or a small metal object you hold near it). Tons of UA-cam videos on this.
For me personally, I've found that one terabyte of memory just doesn't cut it anymore given all of the games I like to play. And considering that games nowadays take up a lot of space. Anyone else feel this way?
Yes, In true data and game hoarder fashion likely am migrating games from 1 tb to 20tb. Main game I play is 96.3 Gb across all versions, so they are 4k file size or larger. The older titles aren't as bad though as far as hogging space. I moved games from 3 tb hdd to 1 tb next they will go on the larger one with perhaps the 1 tb as backup. Friend of mine years ago had 2 tb ssd for all his games, so I probably should have planned similarly. It's more about archival and being able to play whatever, than my actually playing the library. Have about 27 tb of storage now, not having room for whatever was giving me anxiety so horribly.
I agree most definitely with that. Need at least 2 T.
section at 7:00 is the first section to start with, for anyone building a PC.
this section only eliminates 80% of mental stress when choosing parts, because it eliminates the trap of "future proof" concept.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yes! Glad you enjoyed
I disagree with the b660 mb, there are a few that are around 100$ less than the cheapest z690 and z790 that can easily handle this cpu, also nowadays overclocking is not worth it and overclocking this CPU better that what turbo boost can do is pretty hard even with some experience. The only reason I would recommend a z690 o z790 is because of more PCI lanes and USB, but even like that, premium b660 mb that cost the same as entry level z690 or z790 usually have the same specs on ports and PCI but premium b660 have more features like premium audio, wifi, Bluetooth. I like your videos since you always make good recommendations, but this time I think you made a huge mistake with b660 mb
Just wondering, why is the cost $0 for several of the parts?
Remember we are comparing platform costs, that's CPU, RAM, Motherboard, PSU. The other parts are there as guide posts.
In 2022 most gamers rated the i5 12400 to be the best performance to price. Been conflicted on MBs, but I think the one you mentioned would do well. Paired with the RX 6700 XT or 6750 XT was what I was thinking or going with the 7600 that was just released. 32gbs of ddr4 at 3200 and a 750-850w semi to fully modular PSU seems straight. Think this is a pretty decent mid level 1440p experience that has room to upgrade. Get frustrated with case selection though. And PSUs are very expensive right now. But that MB selection seems great. I hate having to upgrade MBs, as it requires taking everything apart.
not only these videos answer the right questions accurately but we even get to see a cat time to time !
Glad you're enjoying them! He's the true star of the channel :)
Can we get a "best cases for 2022" video? For me, cases are a tough one, some have better airflow, some are better for modding, others are simply just good looking... Given the quality of your videos, It would be great to see your opinion on some of your favorite PC cases for 2022.
Yesss pls
gamers nexus has one that is a pretty good list if your down to check them out
@@thisisntmeisityou9670 got the link by any chance?
Just pick 4000d airflow. I like it
For someone who is always saying to check the motherboard’s audio codec, I’m surprised that you recommended a motherboard that doesn’t have anything other than a line out.
well said, I wanted to point it out too. I wonder what will be his reply.
the amount of effort, care and enthusiasm you put in your videos is astonishing. from time stamps to tiny details that people with ocd like me care about. s-tier contnet. thank you
you deserve much more subs
Thank you so much, we appreciate your support! Thank you for watching :)
Hey, quick question, is it worth to spend 140 euros more on a 3080 than a 3070
Its actually worth it and its even worth it if you get the 12GB version of the 3080.
@@rogued3mon414 thanks mate my overall build is gonna be 1350euros and its extrememly highend idk how its that cheap (i5 13600kf 3080)
The integrated video on the K CPUs isn't just for content providers. It is extremely useful when setting up your PC and it's great for an additional monitor (I've got 4). Also, sometimes, oddly, the K is cheaper than the KF due to sales. For instance I got an i5-10600K for $200 years ago but the KF was $230. As always your mileage may vary.
And Diagnose hardware problems. iGPU is a must! Saves you so much needlessly headache.
Good point. My NVIDIA card only has one HDMI port and while waiting for a displayport cable to arrive I hooked my other monitor to the iGPU.
why do you need 4?
@@vacakgagyi5248 I'm a developer, I do content creation, and I also game. All the monitors are useful for different things in each use case. For gaming I normally use three (game, guide, UA-cam/Spotify), but I often use all four for work (dev, test output/deployment, virtual machines monitoring, and the website I'm working on).
@@BravoSixGoingDark I've literally never had to use the igpu, ever.
It's a bit disingenuous to suggest only video editors should get a K model and everyone else should get KF if it's cheaper. There are many benefits to troubleshooting GPU issues by having a processor with an integrated GPU that make the extra $10-$15 worth it. A couple right off the top of my head include a faulty GPU right out of the box. Imagine finishing a build and you get no video output, an integrated GPU will help you discern that the problem is in fact the discrete GPU. Another example is a bad VBIOS flash. You can recover your GPU if you can boot your computer with the integrated GPU. Otherwise this video was very solid.
Thank you for all of your sane content. I love that you focus on practicality rather than the most expensive thing you can possibly build. I've been thinking about upgrading from the Skylake machine I built several years ago and you've given me a lot of food for thought.
Glad we could help!
@@PCBuilderChannel So can this cpu run a ddr 6000 ? Because in the intel specs website it says that the max speed that this cpu could run is 5600. I am stuck there in neither should I pick a 6000 or a 5600
I have just built a PC with an i5-13600K as a replacement for an intel 7700 that I use as my daily driver. I am not a gamer, but I find the gamer-creator community is a great resource for the computers that I build or buy for my family. I used a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard and an NH-15DS CPU cooler. I chose the 15DS due to the narrow Fractal Design Pop Air case. The cooling is good with the HWMonitor reporting a 60 C CPU rise from idle to full load. Cinebench scores are 2176 for single thread and 24328 for multi-thread. The CPU package draws 168 W, with 225 W coming out of the wall receptacle. The power supply is RM650X 80 Plus Gold. Assuming 80% efficiency That is only 180 W measured on the supply side. This leaves about 470 W continuous for a graphics card. I have ordered two different graphics cards, the first is an Intel Arc A770, while the second is an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090. The A770, with a total board Power (TBP) of 225 W will be used in my new daily driver. The 4090 will be used in a similar build with a refaned Pop Air, water-cooled with an Artic Freezer 280, and an RM850X 80 Plus Gold. This would make a great gaming PC but is a replacement for a work PC I built with an i7-12700K with a 3090 FE.
About the PSU's, I know your builds are pretty much revolved around 1.5x the power, but I've seen many other builds, with more power hungry components with smaller psu's, like an i7 13700k with an rtx 3080 and an 850W PSU, and it seemed to be fine. Is it actually fine or not?
I would say its not worth the risk but that's entirely up to you. See our Best PSU 2022 video for more
I’m running a 13600k @ 5.3Ghz and an overclocked 3080 ftw3 (triple 8 pin connectors) with a 750w Evga supernova G2 from 2015. Max benchmarking load is ~600w. With no issues.
I think it’s possible to run a lower wattage power supply, just make sure it’s a quality one (this PSU was rated very highly in it’s time)
I had a 5600X and a 3080, my computer shut off a couple times with a 850 watt psu. It was a good seasonic one as well. Switched to 1000 watt EVGA and have had no problems. (now with 5800X3D)
@@Kona5.0 well I was looking towards getting the msi mpg a850gf which is a tier rated so I don't know what to do
@@l2p200iqPlays i think it’s also helpful to get a single rail psu from what ive read when ur using high wattage components
Man, I just threw a pcpartpicker list together for the first time in like 3 or so months, GPU prices went back up again. I was in the market for 3080 12gb's back when I was checking a ton and they were around 7-800$ usd and now the 3080 12gb I want is upwards of 1300$. Real shame, because I am finally at the point where I've saved up enough to start looking again, but I'm gonna be stuck waiting for prices to come down, or maybe I'll have to save a bit more and start looking at 4080's, because 1300 for a 3080 seems silly when brand new 4080s are in that range.
3080s, 3090s and even 3070s are selling out. Is there a reason you can't go AMD? Unless you do a lot of video editing they are much better price to performance options right now for gaming
Just go with the 6800 xt, they are 550-600 and perform just as good if not better than the 3080. If it’s just a AMD thing than go for the 4070TI for 840
Finally finished my build with this CPU and 3070 combo. First time Fortnite on high settings and it looks so beautiful.... Way better than playing it in lowest settings on my phone. Can't wait to start streaming... Thanks!!
Ohh congrats on your build and thanks for the info!!
You could have built a pc for £400 that could run Fortnite at max lol
What PSU did you use for this build? I already have the 3070 and now im considering buying this CPU but im not sure if my RM850x V3 can handle it.
Omg, my brain never felt this fluid before. You make everything so easy to understand!
Love to hear it, thank you for watching!
Still can’t decide between these three cpu choices for my new build. They all have their downsides. Almost seems best to go with the dead end AM4 5800x3d build for gaming since even the 7600x build’s motherboard would need to be replaced for better DDR5 in the future.
I’m in the same situation except I’m building all new from nothing. I’m thinking about going AM5 w/ 7600x and ddr5 so I’ll have more flexibility in the future if I want. but the AM4 with 58003dx with ddr4 would be enough for my gaming wants. 4k gaming is all I’d like but could settle for 1440 if the cost difference was over 1.5k
You might want to check out our CPU Market Update video from yesterday, it might help you decide
9:48 "now If you dont care about the audio", I would like to know what the real difference is in that. I saw that there is line-in and line-out plug, but what in specific do they change? Is the Audio better that way? What can I expect?
I also heard that updating the bios of the motherboard will require you to have a specific type of cpu to be able to do that, is that right?
Love your videos, very helpful. When do you think you’ll be putting out a video for black Friday sales? Especially mid range for a hybrid productivity/gaming rig?
As soon as we start seeing deals we will start posting them with community posts and on twitter @pcbuilderjason. We plan to start dedicated Black Friday videos on the 19th but that's subject to the deals of course (;
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you I’ll be watching for your videos
is b660m A-wifi motherboard enough for i5-13600k and rtx4070ti???
I greatly appreciate the input on ddr4 vs ddr5. I've been battling this choice for a few weeks now. At this time, I'm still going z790 ddr5, because Im too scared to flash the bios on a 690, and I've read that 13th gen runs 30-50% slower on 690s. Could just be a tactic to buy 700 series board, but nonetheless. And I'm opting for a 5200 or 5600 16gb ddr5 kit. Pricing I've found is between 90-120$. I'm going to do that and in a year or so, if the pricing comes down, I'll upgrade kits. 16gb should suffice.
16gb is not sufficed
@@orkhepaj LOL oh 16gb for most is fine, right?
@@ArachnidGoat nah
@@ArachnidGoat nah 16gb is not enough anymore. Time to move to 32gb
I'd go with 32GB 5200 which you should be able to find for $160 or so.
Good z690s run the CPUs at full speed and flashing the bios is trivial if the mb has a dedicated USB slot for it. You just copy a file and push a button. I have a 13th gen i5 and Tomahawk z690 working happily here.
I was 15minutes old insise the video when I finally noticed that cat. Don't do that!! Don't keep a black cat on your building table, or he's gonna build an absolutely giganormous cyborg with all that knowledge he's absorbing
Stealth tech cat! lol
Hello Jason!
Firstly, thank you for providing such relevant and educative information on the daily.
Currently, I am building myself a new PC, and have already pruchased a 6800 XT, 13600KF, Z690 Gaming X DDR5, Kingston Fury Beast 5200 2x16GB CL40, Pure Power 11 1000W, KC3000 1GB,AK620 and the Thermaltake v350.
Can you please advise if there is anything I have overlooked and can improve in this?
Also, I have seen the argument that even CL36 or CL40 DDR5 Ram, which has worse timings preforms better than current fast DDR4, what is your take on this?
Keep up the good work, and thank you for everything you are providing for free.
Cheers!
For the Memory query check out Hardware Unboxed's video on Memory Scaling which dropped recently.
It depends on your application and how sensitive it is to RAM latency vs bandwidth. For example, DDR4-3200 CL16/DDR4-3600 CL18 provide ~50GB/s of bandwidth with 10ns latency. Your DDR5-5200 CL40 provides ~81GB/s with 15ns latency.
What are your applications? Some workloads such as Excel, 7zip/WinRAR, code compilation and some games love the extra bandwidth DDR5 gives them and care little for latency. But some latency sensitive games might not react so well (however Raptop Lake's improved caches can mitigate this somewhat).
@@kirby0louise Thank you for your information, I have seen that the DDR5 Ram responds differently for different type of tasks, but in newer games the performance seems present.
I can understand the login behind people who stick with DDR4, as when I decided to use the 13600KF I decided to leave myself space for "Future Proofing", but as Jason said, most likely by the time I need the upgrade, I do not think the better Ram will make a difference, but the DDR5 memory slot might, who knows.
Thank you for your comment nontheless.
Cheers!
Went ahead and got almost the exact premium 13600k build after watching. Very informative video!
Hope you love it! Thanks for watching
thank you for the all the info! how relatable this can be for an i7 13700k + 4080 build? In terms of mobo/psu/cooling? I am new to PC building things, but looking for upgrade... pretty much learning everything from youtube and your channel in top-3 most watched for sure ^^ thanks once again
Thats also a good combo, only thing I would change from this list is to bump up the cooling with a high end AIO or highest end Air
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks! I guess noctua NH D15 will be enough
How much is the price of your build going to be? I created a build similar with a 3080 and 850w psu and a aio cooling and it’s ranging to 2100. Surely yours will be much higher because you can’t cheap out on the other parts
@@biggbodyyy1018 hard to say yet, because I don't know how much 4080 will cost in my country
@@wtmw1337 probably a arm or leg maybe even your soul lol like in my country South Africa 😬
Hey Jason! Just wanted to clarify, i5-13600K has 14 cores(6P+8E) and 20 threads, please correct it in the video at 2:15 :)
Yep! See the pinned comment. UA-cam is processing the correction (just delete the section where my math is wrong lol). Appreciate it! 3 videos in a week scrambles my brain a bit (;
Perfect time
Since i was waiting for something like this
Hope you enjoy!
I want to match the i5-13600KF with the 5700XT is it a good solide option or nah?
That's a very unbalanced CPU/GPU combo. See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2023 video for more
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks for your answer, I looked already the video. I will get a 12600KF with the 5700 xt this should be good right ?
Another great video! Intel builds are right up my alley nowadays. Thanks, Mister J!
Thank you!! Hope you are having a good week!
bro should i consider Gigabyte Z790 UD AX (Wi-Fi) (DDR5) for 13600k build
Yep!
@@PCBuilderChannel and what about asus rog strix b760-f gaming d5 mobo i think i will buy this one . orr should i srtick to gigyabyte
This is exactly what I was looking for! Simple and informative. Thank you. You earned a sub ❤
So glad you enjoyed! Thank you for the sub
Will you do one for the i7 13700k?
For the 13700k you can use this guide, just go for the 240mm AIO or high end Air coolers linked in the description
Thank you very much! I am learning a lot since I watch your videos! I plan to use a 13700KF with a rtx 4080. Picking case and AIO is driving me crazy. I want a better refrigeration (maybe 280-360mm) but in order to mount it on the top, it would need a bigger case, do you think it is really needed? What do you think is the smartest AIO + Case combination for this build? I really appreciate your work.
hi Jason，about rog z 690 strix a mother board，DEEPCOOL ak620 can fit？
Just did a i5-13600K build after watching previous videos. I went for a 1000W power supply for future GPU upgradeability in mind (bought a used 2080 Super for $300 to start with). I did go with DDR5 on a z690 motherboard as I thought it might have benefits in video editing and also got K for the iGPU. I got very high scores in a benchmark for Vegas Pro with this combination and for a total cost of about $1800 US. I will pick up a second m2 drive when prices come down to keep cache and swap files off the main hard drive.
1600 is dirt cheap. Link the build?
@@kekeke8988 I posted twice links to PCPartPicker but they got deleted. It's not an affiliate link for me or anything.
All the parts were high quality. I got a used z690 Tomahawk from Amazon Warehouse but it was like new. There's a Hynix P41 2TB drive on sale now which would make this build even cheaper today. Corsair 1000W cooler. Lian Li II Mesh case, Corsair Vengeance ram 5200 (64GB).
can i use a coller master 240 ml v2 rgb in this cpu?
Wasn't there some information that came out that a Z690 mobo can make a 13th gen cpu lose up to 20% preformance?
DDR5 is starting to see a noticeable fps gain over DDR4 in some games too so it's definitely beginning to settle in.
I guess if you have the extra cash to splooge go for z790 + ddr5 but if you wanna save like 200-400bucks go for ddr4 z690.
Not on good MBs, research them before you buy. I'm happy with my z690 MSI Tomahawk DDR5 an 13600K.
@@rsmith02 "research them before you buy"
Lmao i did by watching a video where some z690's were causing the 13th gen cpus to lose performance.
But it dont matter, i went with the gigabyte z790 elite ax and 13700k. works flawlessly
please help, does the ASUS Prime Z790-P or the MSI Pro Z790A have bios flashback? I couldn't find anything online.
Thanks for all your awesome videos, thanks to you I was able to decide on my new system.
This is my new setup:
Case: - Cooler Master MasterBox MB530P
Motherboard: - MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI
CPU: - Intel Core i5 13600KF - 3,5Ghz
Memory: - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 32GB(3600Mhz) White
SSD: - Samsung 980 PRO 1TB (M.2)
GPU: - AMD RADEON RX 6800 XT 16GB
CPU cooler: -- Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB
Any toughts? :)
Cheers!
Where's the link to where I can get that shirt??
It was a gift but I've seen similar on Amazon (:
HAHA intel is out of my price range
really that is kinda suprising
12400 is cheap and very good.
Hope we get some cheaper prices on black friday
All Intel? The 12100f is a great option for a budget build, we've got that build on the channel too if you want to check that out
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*NOTE: 13600K has 14 cores, not 10. Still 20 cores.*
What GPU are you looking to pair with the 13600K? What motherboard, RAM, cooler are you going with? Tell your story in a new comment below!
14 cores and 20 threads*
Yep! Math is hard...
@PC Builder little question. why do you pair the CPU with 3600 RAM when it's rated for 3200 RAM? am i missing on something? how far up DDR4 can you actually go?
Great recommendations here apart from the PSU field of the 1000-1200W recommendations.
Agreed, some people are blindsided by recommending to future proofing by using the more expensive DDR5.
Can I use a B760 motherboard with the i5 13600k
You can use it but what I've heard is with k cpus always getting a z series motherboard for tuning voltages and overclocking speed is better. On b series it will run but it will be hot i heard. Again I read all this stuff on Reddit. So
I'm using a 13600k with a 3070 and a 650W gold PSU no issues. 1000w PSU seems a bit overkill....
Yeah I'm looking at this build for Nov 2023 using a Sapphire Radeon 7800XT and estimated wattage is 562W. A multiplier of 1.5 brings it just under 850. 1000W PSU seems a tad bit too much
Always better to get the k vs kf on any cpu - its only a few bucks more and if you ever have a problem with your gpu you can still boot up and have a display for troubleshooting.
I have a serious question... Should I choose "Kingston Fury Renegade 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL16" instead of G.Skill Ripjaws that you put on your video? Can you explain me please what's the difference or if its equal memory ram?
There shouldn't be any difference. I think he just put the cheapest DDR4 kit he could find at the time of recording in this build.
@@kelley09162 I'm asking for the difference because the Kingston Ram as "16-20-20 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.88ns". The G.Skill Ram as "16-19-19-39 timing" with a "First Word Latency of 8.89ns".
In my country the Kingston is slighty cheaper than G.Skill. And I want to know what's the difference in perfomance between them or if is better choosing the Kingston ram instead of G.skill for this i5-13600kf build :) HELP ME xD
@@joaowoow oh okay. I'm not sure about that but I assume the Kingston RAM will perform well.
Hey jason, Can I pair rtx 3060 ti with 13600kf
You could, but I prefer minimum 3070. Check out our 13600k Build Guide video for more!
19:11 isn't it better to use a ddr5 kit with only 5600? On the intel website it says that the 13600k only supports mhz up to 5600 or did i get something wrong?
See our Best Ram for Gaming. Those numbers are before you enable Xpo (which you should always do).
Bruhh thankkk youuuuuu !! I’ve been waiting for you to make this video so I could build this pc for Black Friday and cyber Monday
Awesome! Glad we could help!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for supporting the channel fellow Jason!!
i have a i5 13600k, radeon 6700, ddr5, z690a tuf wifi plus, and i only have a corsair cx 650m which seems to power everything just fine. no issues no crashing while gaming or anything. i also have an ie 214 $20 cooler and it cools it just fine while gaming. doesn't go above 80 degrees under a heavy gaming load. yes, if you want to run synthetic loads in cinebench and get high scores in that than you should get a better cooler, otherwise, this 20$ cooler works just fine for gaming. and for the psu, you don't need more than 750W. this dudes high recommending 1000w psu's. only need that if you have a 4000 series gpu, even then you'd prob be ok with 800w
Your videos are amazing for first-builders and non experimented people, it's been 3 weeks that I watch videos daily and look for what AIO to use, what MB etc. and that's the first time I have a simple and clear answer... I went here just to know what MB I needed and you told me everything I needed and should have known xD Thanks a lot, your work is astonishing, not and never less.
So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching and best wishes on your build!
But microcenter has the 12700k $100 off and with a free $260 asus z690 mobo. both for $349
Yo thanks for tip!
I have to disagree with the idea that having the integrated GPU on an intel CPI is not necessary and doesn't matter unless you're a serious video editor or doing production tasks. When trying to flash a new bios onto my RTX3080 on my AMD system, I was unable to do it and had to put the card into my intel system so that the screen would stay on and not turn black when I flashed the bios for the 3080. Now this is an obscure circumstance but I can think of a few times where i wished I had an IGPU like they do on intel chips
@PC Builder Could you please guide me about my temps? I have 13600K with a 240mm frostflow lite, and max temps on cinebench r23 on CPU package hit 91C. I am worried. Plz do reply to me, Big fan of you.
what is the best gaming pc for a budget of 3k ?????
Purchasing a 13600k and a rx6950xt. At first I thought it was going to be to much CPU but it looks like I made a decent choice. I was only looking to spend around $600 on a gpu so I decided on the RX 6950XT instead of the rtx 4070. Good to know maybe in a few years throw a 4090 with that cpu and I can upgrade my 1440p rig into a 4K monster. I also had to upgrade my mobo because I am coming from a 2060 super and a i5-9600k.
oh man this video helped a lot, I've been banging my head all day Sunday speccing a gaming PC.
Regards from Beirut!
So glad we could help! Hello Beirut!
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks you for replying. Also i saw that you helped the people affected by the latest earthquake in Turkey and you donated to the food banks. We were woken up by the quake at 3 am and it was a horrifying experience even though we’re 400 miles away.
I also just subbed to your channel, i finally specced my PC and i’m gonna get it this weekend, spent way over my 1200$ budget😬. Thanks again.
Most people aren't going to see any difference between DDR4 and DDR5 in performance. DDR4 is cheaper though currently. Though I think Intel for the future 14th gen is going DDR5 only in the future. If future upgradable is a concern for you buy a DDR5 motherboard for 13th gen and then in the future you will be able more easily to move from a Z790 DDR5 board to a future Z890 DDR5 board(or whatever the next gen chipset is going to be called).
A lot of people seem worried about the wattage provided by their psu. I see there are a lot of well known retailers on and online offering raptor lake 13600k cpus and 3070 ti card pcs, bundled with anything from 650W to 850W power supplies, but hardly ever above 850W. I can only assume an 850W should be fine as long as it's from a reputable brand and you aren't overclocking, or at least not adding any extra power hungry parts
Depends on your GPU choice and other factors. Hop over to our Best PSU 2022 for way more on this. My recommendation are on the conservative side but I have learned to not mess around with PSU choices (;
7:34 activate xmp profile
I'm a bit confused about PSU power. Do i really need a 1000-1200W PSU with that 13600k and let's say a new 7900xt from amd? pcpartpicker shows a relatively lower power needed
Head to our Best PSU 2022 video! It will teach you everything you need to know (and its important so make sure you watch it before you build)
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you ! So the best thing to do is actually checking the individual power needed from components, sum all of them but taking the GPU one as x2.5 for safety... or as you said in the video, take the total, multiply by 1.5 and then add 100W as nvidia tax :D
@@PCBuilderChannel Btw you totally saved my build i owe you a (virtual) drink
Catching a premiere. I'm lucky today 💪🏽
Hi Miguel! We haven't done many "premiere" before. Do you like that format? Trying it out
@@PCBuilderChannel yeah, I liked it. You should try it more
thank you a lot for your videos, need to build a new PC for work and gaming, didnt follow the scene for too long you made it so easy
thanks again
I actually started the channel because I returned to pc building after a break and wishes their was a channel to get me all caught up! So glad we can help (:
Hi Jason, I noticed that you said anything lower than a RTX 3070 would bottleneck the i5 13600k. What would the minimum GPU requirement be for the i7 13700k? Would appreciate your insight. Thanks.
He's has a video released around 3 months ago about Best CPU and GPU Combo so what he is saying in this video also applies to the i7 13700K. Minimum for is Nvidia = RTX 3070 and for is AMD = RX 6800.
Is it worth the extra money for the i7 13700k over the i5 13600k?
dude, youre literally solving every single question I ask to myself into 20 minutes videos. Im starting to suspect you can read our minds lol. Thanks alot for the content. Just awesome the specific and acurate they are. GZ!
Thanks so much for the feedback, so glad you got all your questions answered! The power of the PC Building mind :)
Do you think a ryzen 5600x would bottleneck a video card around the rtx 3080 caliber?
That will be fine. See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2022 video for more on this
Hi Jason, I see that you have paired a z690 aorus ultra ATX motherboard with a 6400 DDR 5 kit. Isn't that a problem because on the specs of that particular motherboard the max ram is a 6200 DDR5?
That's the base speed of the Ram, but every kit (as we say in the video) you'll want to activate the XMP profile to enable overclocking. That's the thing people forget to do (;
would you recommend a 850W PSU on a 7900XTX with a intel 5 12600k without a water cooler or should i get more Watt ?
I would get a better cpu for 7900xtx because the bottleneck
hi , thanks for sharing, do you have a pcpartpicker list with all components in a list?
Hello! All the parts are linked in the description (:
DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK. Even in extended load it does not allow it to exceed 80°, on a day-to-day basis it keeps it at 32° to 34°, without problem. Highly recommended.
I have a 13600kf on a B660 Asus ROG Strix mini ITX with Crucial DDR5 Ram and a MSI 240 mm cooler.
I have seen 193.6 Watts and 81 degrees when all 20 cores were running constant 100% for 10 minutes straight running photogrammetry, everything else stayed cool, so yeah I can vouch for this board
He is right you need to get a board with a decent VRM for this chip. When purchasing I know of one board which only supplies 150 Watt.
DDR5 cost me $70 extra over equivalent crucial 3200 DDR4 ram.
With what I do with this machine overclocking is pointless because my software runs it so hard I couldn't cool it anyway.
Thank you for sharing!
Awesome... So i wont need to flash update the bios on a MSI MAG Z790 board? ...which i am getting
I’m glad i found this channel. I need to upgrade my ancient i7 930 lol
I have a 850w PSU. Do you think that’s enough for this build paired with a rtx 3080 or do I need to upgrade?
That’s plenty.
Just found your channel and planning on building a new computer, although the price part is off for me seeing i live in a different country, everything else has been really helpful!!! also the are nice to watch 🙂
So glad we could help! Best wishes on your build!
Damn, yesterday I finally sold my Robotron KC85/3, those 1.75 MHz (!) were a bit basic...
Altough this is actually a true story, for the last 5 yrs I was okay with my i5-4570 with GTX970, can still play Forza Horizon 5 nowadays or two android emulator at once, even on Ryzen 1200.
And now I got a used rig with a i7-9700 and RTX2070 and I'm happy with it, satifies my use cases.
And I see people pondering about 4 gens newer CPUs and 2 gens newer GPUs and a new DDR with another twice performance.
Guys, get a good price/value of what came out the latest years and you have more time to actually play and more money for games, instead of pondering to much, life is to short.
Do you think the 7000 series 3d chips will be good for productivity and gaming? Considering waiting a year until prices for ddr5 and am5 motherboards drop a little.
We don't have any info yet to make a guess I'm afraid
Does 12th gen requires bios update for B660 motherboard to even work?
Or can i just buy i5 12 400f and ANY B660 motherboard and it will work without any bios update?
12th gen works with b660 motherboards.
You need a bios update to install a 13th gen cpu into a 6xx motherboard
@@Profetorum thank you
Where can i find the link to the PC part picker list for this build... so i can check prices? And use as a base for my new build?
Expand the description for links to all the parts!
DDR5 at 6000 CL30 or DDR5 at 6400 with CL32? which is better