Welcome to the conversation! I read all your comments and respond as I'm able. Leaving a comment is the best way to share your experience as well as ask questions. If I can't answer them here, I often will address questions and comments in future videos. I invite you to engage in the conversation and also to keep your comments constructive and respectful. We are all focused on human safety and wildlife conservation. Respectful and informed communication is our best hope of accomplishing that goal. Take care everyone! Thanks for engaging!
@HomeInWildSpaces the best defense against man or beast is a firearm. If you love being in the outdoors exploring, fishing, hiking, or even hunting you need to be proficient in the use and maintenance of your firearms. Training with a firearm may cost you thousands of dollars but it could save your life against man or beast. You can choose to carry bear spray but I choose to carry a firearm.
@davesmith7432, I'm accustomed to these types of responses, but what is remarkable to me is how often they are unjustified. If you pay attention to photos I use to discuss the problem with political terrorists misusing bear spray, you will note that the photos demonstrate misuse by both the "right" and the "left". I appreciate your passion, but I think it's led you to a demonstrably false conclusion-as passions typically do. I'm simply raising awareness about misuse. I do not see that as political. Best wishes!
@@dwaynediesel6079 If you have an example, I welcome the feedback. But what is presented here is the most complete and balanced examination of this topic give the data currently available.
When my wife and I hiked through Yellowstone backcountry we had bear spray AND a gun. Interestingly enough even though we saw a grizzly on the trip off in the distance it was much less of a threat to us versus a giant herd of bison that almost surrounded us, as they wanted to graze the grass field we were in. We got the bear spray and gun ready as they drew closer but were able to slowly sneak out of a small gap in the herd. It was good to know we had layers of defense but even then things could have gone bad fast and probably not in our favor.
You are so right. The social fear of bears has eclipsed respect and the justified trepidation of other animals often considered "cute". I love a good moose or bison encounter, but I never loose sight of the fact that both can be temperamental and dangerous. Thanks for sharing your experience and your insights!
Of course firearms are “not allowed” in Yellowstone Park. Guess they are I stand corrected just not in government buildings. However, be prepared for a costly ordeal and maybe jail time if you shoot a grizzly in the park, they’ll try to bury you with a minimum $50,000.00 fine and jail.
@@bobinmontana777 like im going there totally defenceless except for the protection of a ranger that might be on lunch break or in a meeting . Youll recognise me as the guy with the sawed off bazooka.
Excellent discussion, I couldn’t agree more. Like you, I’ve been using firearms for decades, so I carry one in bear country. But I also carry bear spray, and have done so since the mid-80’s. They are NOT mutually exclusive. Thanks for doing the research and making the video.
Love your comment! I hope to help other people come to the same realization. Tools are tools. Culture wars regarding which is "best" aren't helpful. They have their appropriate function, and in the right hands they can be very effective. Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I hope you'll consider sharing the video and help get the message out. Cheers!
In the Infantry we have a concept called 'Defense In Depth' or a layered defense. The take away here is the same: Have multiple defensive points. When I am in Wyoming, I have Bear Spray as my preferred defense, (because I don't want to kill a bear unless it tries to kill me first,) my 10mm pistol as my second, and my Bowie knife as my third line of defense. That's just for hiking. If hunting one of us carries a rifle and the other carries a shotgun with slugs, in addition to spray, a pistol and a blade. That could all fail potentially, but it allows us to punch well above our weight in Griz Country.
I live this, always carry a pepper spray because you dont want to kill something or someone just because it presents a threat, if it presents a threat depending on the level maybe harassingly then deploy, if the first line of defense fails and threat increases to imminent bodily harm to death.....then i use my handgun, if second layer of defense fails because as you all know adrenaline is a hell of a thing and something or someone in it can keep going then my trusty boker knife or any high quality knife as a third is good. But yes this concept is good!
If you successfully deploy bear spray it may save you, if you successfully deploy a firearm it will save you, it’s harder to get the latter right because it takes more practice and skill, but id rather put my life in my own hands rather than put it up to chance
@@jasonbyu75 no they don’t, you’re referencing a study that cooked the numbers to deter people from carrying guns, a skilled marksman can take down a bear with greater regularity than a can of pepper spray, that’s an incontrovertible fact, most folks aren’t skilled marksman though
Great video! Now my two cents. I spent 7 years on two US Army tours in Alaska. On my first tour everyone was recommending the 44mag revolver as "Bear medicine!". I carried one for several months until a gentleman pointed out that a 30-30 has more stopping power then that 44mag. He had a lot more experience than I hunting dangerous game and what he said made sense. I got and started carrying an Itica 37 12ga police with extended magazine after that, loaded with slugs. The Eskimo scouts we worked with and lived basically among them said to put your hands up and back away quitly saying "I come in peace brother bear!", never wanted to try that technique out myself. Now remember in that time bear spray was not a thing, if it was I would for sure carry it with my 12ga. Now my personal up close encounter with a large bear was in the small town we lived in a fairly large brown bear wandered onto the highway leading out of Anchorage and was hit by no less than two cars and one pickup, demolishing all three. Serviving that he lay bleeding and still alive until a state trooper with cahunas the size of basketballs calmly walked up to him and placing his 357 revolver bihind the bears ear dispatched it, they are unbelievably strong. I personallgy clocked one doing 35kts through alders taller than a man like they were nothing. You can't outrun them. I remember a reporter interviewing a man who had been badly malled abd asking "You had a gun, why didn't you shot him?" Where apon the gentleman said " I tried to but he ate my gun!" Bottom line carry both spray and a gun capable of doing what needs to be done and practice with them till it becomes second nature. Be safe out there!...
Thanks! And thanks for sharing your own experience. I encountered a grizzly that was hit by a truck once myself. In my case it got up eventually and wandered off into the forest. There are remarkably powerful animals.
I carried the 45/70 stainless short barrel "guide gun" for a few years when out in the bush up there, but found when going to the bathroom I would set it down. An old fella pointed that out and I switched to the 500 S&W. took a painful time to get good with it but once I was good I started carrying that.
You may not plan to enter bear territory but you never know when a bear might enter your territory. I live in the Piedmont area of NC and although bears are very rare in this part of the state they are not non existent. We are in their migration path and a couple of times a year they are seen in the area. And most people don't even realize it until they see one for themselves or on the local news. If you live in a major city you probably don't have to worry about it, but otherwise you should know that bears are present at least occasionally almost everywhere in North America.
I live in bear country. And it's on the northwest border of NC. I've seen bear in Avery County. Nit as dense as they are an hour away at my house in TN. They're thicker than thieves over here. Thanks Gatlinburg. And bear spray is faulty and what to do when the bear and wind are coming from same direction. Seen too many stories of sorry failure. A hand full of failures. I thought there were only a handful of bear attacks. You're being negligent. Bears are known to eat expended cans to get to left over spray and that they'll roll in spray areas. Hard to stop a bear coming at you 30mph. Sounds like an anti gun commercial.
Wrong question. Clearly, you should have both, and a small, strong, hatchet on your belt. And other things, like a location transponder. Basic medical supplies. Etc.
Yeah I thought the Alaska standard at one point was a can of bear spray on your chest and a magnum rifle slung. You train to have the gun on target by the time the can of spray succeeded or failed. Or that’s what I read anyways. But yeah dumb to have a gun without spray!!! The other way around can be necessary in certain unfortunate situations(usually avoid these places)…
You are going to fight a grizzly with a hatchet. The bear has 5 claws on each foot that are longer than your fingers. These claws are suitable for tearing open fallen logs. You can't be serious?
@@HughButler-lb6zs You. Just have poor reading comprehension. I talked about bear spray, a firearm, and a small hatchet. Obviously, the hatchet is the last line of defense. A strategically placed hatched blow, at the point, may make the difference in the bear backing off of you once upon you. Hatchets are also great utility tools to have in the wild/wilderness. But I suppose you could just surrender and lay there and let the bear eat you because the bear spray didn’t work or the shots from the firearm missed or didn’t stop it. Go for it Hugh.
Good video. I have lived most of my life in southeast Alaska and consider myself very competent with firearms. I have had extensive training in the army and in law enforcement. But I think you hit the nail on the head. A firearm requires a much higher degree of proficiency. I personally carry both but the bear spray is hands down the primary. I often carry bear spray in hand in areas of high undergrowth if I can’t avoid that area altogether. Situational awareness is above all the most important out of everything. Thanks for putting this together.
I carry both too, I also have over 30 years of Filipino Martial Arts experience so besides a gun and bear spray, I carry a Kris - that is a large Filipino knife with a curvy blade. A real serious weapon !
Sounds like you're using your most important tool-your head. I love reading comments like this. Too many people are so locked up in culture wars that they can't see what is plain to see. Tools have both a proper use, and a skill thresholded needed to operate them effectively. Proficiency with multiple tools provides much improved security. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
@@ericoverdorff8880 I currently live in Oregon. But spent most of my time in juneau / Haines area. As a kid I was on Admiralty island. Looking to return to Juneau in the future.
@amschroed89 I was born in juneau, moved here in 73. I use to go deer hunting every fall on admiralty, Gambier bay, I use to find it exciting, lots of brownies. Deer heart and king crab every night for the week we spent hunting. My hunting buddy moved south 5,6 years ago and in my mid 60s I get enough excitement just hunting mitkof island and the mainland. Plus the water always sucks in late September when we'd go. Trying to get home in heavy seas in my 21 foot cabin cruiser was sometimes more scary than blowing the deer call on admiralty. I hope you make it back to Southeastern Alaska, those that haven't spent time here don't know just how beautiful, adventurous, and wild it is.
Great video. The comments here show just how entrenched some people are in their beliefs, regardless of the data. In fact, I'd guess most of the comments didn't bother to watch the full video.
I appreciate that. Yeah, many of the critical comments are clearly written by people who didn't bother to watch the full video. Not much I can do if people aren't willing to consider the facts. It does make me appreciate those who do spend the time to watch the full video. So thanks! I hope you'll consider watching and sharing the follow up to this video. It's the most important bear safety video I've released yet. Link: ua-cam.com/video/5rqa4KhjpSE/v-deo.html
Why don't you just simplify it and say have both a large bore rifle or pistol and bear spray and on federal parks in the backcountry a large boar pistol and bear spray because it's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6
I think that's a valid point. "Why not just simplify?" The topic of safety in bear country is so polarizing and controversial to so many people that it takes time to sufficiently discuss the details and explain why every adult should carry and be proficient with bear spray and those who carry a gun should be sufficiently proficient and responsible in handling them. In truth I don't encourage people to carry a firearm. They are very effective tools in the right hands. Neither bear spray or a gun will be effective without sufficient training, practice, and respect for the tool. That is I encourage people need understand their tool(s) and to be responsible and proficient with them. Thanks for watching and for offering your feedback!
@@raphaeljack1189 he literally just explained why he didn't simplify. and there are multiple factors to consider for your safety when hiking in grizzly country...which you would understand if you were paying attention
As someone that hikes with a firearm, I still recognize that bear spray is far more versatile in stopping situations between any type of animal or person. My firearm is there in the event that things have gone so far south that it’s all I have to rely on. This is an excellent video and still very insightful.
I love reading comments like yours. There are too many people who are stuck in the "either/or" camp and seem unable to understand that a person who appreciates the value and proper use of each tool is far better off than anyone in the either/or camp. I commend you for recognizing the value of bear spray, and also understanding that being sufficiently versed with a firearm is a strong backup. A balanced and informed traveler is a rare breed. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your perspective! Hope to hear from you again!
By all means carry both. But the most important thing is to remember which you should pull first. People have made the mistake of not knowing which to grab first, and wasted precious seconds. Judging how bear spray is only effective at stopping aggressive brown bears 33% of the time according to one of the author's of the study he mentioned, I think it's quite clear which you should grab first. If you don't believe me, watch this video, it has proof and sources. ua-cam.com/video/7vRLPnDlnMU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Thanks, all of your information is very helpful, but I am one who really doesn't want to put a bear down, but my life is a little more important than the bears life. So, I would be interested in knowing how to keep me 100 % free from a deadly encounter in the first place. Thank You for what you are doing!!!
I've been hit with bear spray diffused in an enclosed space, and not much of it. It didn't really get my eyes, but inhaled you get such an extreme amount of pain, mucus, and spasming in your airways that you're almost instantly incapacitated. For a few seconds I thought I'd completely suffocate before I managed to cough my way to a lungful of air. It was that experience that really taught me how a little "hot sauce in a can" can turn away a grizzly.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I've gotten some bear spray (a low dosage) in my eyes and it's nasty. I think people really don't understand the involuntary response to this stuff and how powerful it is, especially when used effectively. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great video. It's not a competition, but when people say they need a gun for protection in the woods it's an immediate confession that they are strangers to wildlands and very likely suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect with firearms - thinking their half-assed once a year playing at a range makes them weapons experts. In Canada we are not allowed to carry handguns, but I'd much rather a can of bear spray anyway. When hunting, it would be MUCH more preferable close range than a long rifle - I have zero confidence I could hit a charging bear with my scoped .308. As for in camp, a 12-gauge with slugs is the ultimate safety blanket. It is the only thing with close range stopping power for smiting thine ursine enemy if it tries opening your tent like a candy wrapper. I'll still sleep with my bear spray in arm's reach (FYI most have a fluorescent part on trigger so you can always find it!), but in the supremely unlikely event of that horrific night-time predation attack, that shotgun could be your best friend.
10mm glock in a chest rig is what the debate is about... Not a 308 with a scope. Plenty of accounts or a pissed-off bear ignores the spray and mauls people
@@blantant there are very few places on a bear that will cause instant death, nevermind hitting them during a charge. And even a fatal shot can take up to 20 seconds to register with the brain that PS bear, you're dead! In a charge and maul 20 seconds is a loooong time. To an intent bear, accustomed to pain when fighting off rivals or wolves, they can plow through without seeming to notice the sting of a bullet. Pepper spray acts on the senses - sight is affected dramatically, as is smell. It tends to be noticed and responded to instantly, because loss of senses makes the bear vulnerable, and they know that. If they can't see or smell the inclination - most of the time - is to get away from the danger, not press on. I believe that is a big part of why it is so effective. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
@@Gr8tBlueHeronExactly. Spray isn't something bears are used to, so it hits them with a combination of surpise and a very unpleasant assault on the senses. With bears, the very olfactory response that gives them such an edge in smell actually intensifies the effect of the spray. It's bad enough if we get sprayed, but almost all bears just can't stand it, plus they don't know what it is.
I live off grid in northern AZ and there are black bears. I actually despise bears. Don't like them at all. Don't think they're cute. I do all I possibly can to avoid bears.
I'm glad you brought that up. It's one a few attacks where bear spray seemingly failed. Of course we lack all the information necessary to draw a definitive conclusion. I did however address Doug and Jenny's story in this analysis video. I hope you'll check it out (link below). Too many people see what they want to see in the Banff attack without recognizing the lifesaving lessons evident in that tragedy. And the internet is almost completely unhelpful as a whole. Lifesaving lessons from deadly Banff attack: ua-cam.com/video/p7rgHvIIc_c/v-deo.html
Much better thumbnail! I wasn't sure when I clicked yesterday if this was the video comparing guns to bear spray you talked about making. Much clearer. Thanks!
You're getting at the most important and reliable deterrent-being with other people. However, your odds are best if you have multiple people who stand their ground and use bear spray. To my knowledge there is not a single case of a bear making contact with a person when two or more people stand their ground. A firearm is an unquestionable asset in the right hands. A warning shot can and often does deter a bear before they come within range of bear spray. And of course the appropriate gun in the right hands can end a threat once and for all if necessary. But it's really best to use bear spray first and in unison. The clear exception being a strong head wind.
The fear is clearly not “mostly unjustified” for those that frequently spend time in bear country. There are many firearms bear defenses that are not reported because people don’t want to deal with the law.
Lack of reporting is a factor across the board, including with bear spray. The data isn't perfect, but that gap often leads people to fill the blank with whatever fits their choses world view. I respectfully disagree. The fear of bears is entirely overblown. That's coming from somewhat who spends a great deal of time in bear country and has encountered many, many bears. That does not however change the fact that people should be prepared. But part of that preparation requires tempering our social acquired fears. Thanks for watching and offering your feedback. It's received with appreciation.
Really high quality video I’m shocked. I gotta go backpacking again sometime soon (been about 12 years). Still you got another subscriber. You seem to punch above your weight if this video is an indication. Your humility is also helpful!!!
You're very kind. After years of watching problematic resources, I set out to make the best resources I could. Addressing the debate over "which is best" was always going to be critically important. And I'm pleased with the response. I'm hoping, with time, to make a meaningful contribution to the topic of bear safety. Thanks again for watching and commenting! Much more to come.
@@HomeInWildSpaces one thing I learned young and press on every beginner/bear naive: “fear isn’t helpful so keep it under control” This is how I think about it: Your safer not fearing bears but respecting them with the understanding it’s under penalty of death.
I am well aware of the effectiveness of bear spray but wind is a constant here in NW Wyoming. Downwind situations are far less likely because your scent is carried ahead of you and a bear will most likely smell you coming and be gone. Upwind encounters are far more likely but will severely hinder your bear spray. For that reason I choose firearms but as you pointed out, anyone who makes that choice must be highly proficient with firearms. You also made the point that your best defense is situational awareness and having said the same thing many times myself, I couldn't possibly agree more. I think one should also recognize and accept the fact that it is a risk to enter bear country and that despite all your precautions, the worst can happen. It's part of the adventure of living in wild places and if you're not adventurous enough to accept that risk, maybe it's best if you get your thrills riding roller coasters or playing video games. I've encountered grizzlies before but I've yet to be charged. I hope it stays that way but I'm prepared if it doesn't.
Liquid foaming bearspray Cold Steel, bucks thru a breeze powder is blown back into your face...! This stuff expands and sticks to anything it touches...!
@@CplSkiUSMC lol...right tho seems these video's only talk about the old fashion powder stuff which really is ineffective in a stiff breeze; *So I keep pointing out the far better alternative... However hard cast goes thru anything- "only IF you hit it"
You should carry both if you're in grizzly bear country its a fact, that's the age-old " Id rather have it and not need it, then need it, and not have it" situation. I was asked many years ago to be a shooter for protecting scientists from wild game in Alaska and more,so the scientists can take a core samples and other types samples so on, so forth. The first thing you try to do, is dissuade the bear from trying to attack the people, AKA scare the bear off by warning shot, helicopter fly by, bear spray, yelling. if that doesn't work, you use Force. (So bear spray would definitely be something you should bring always) always bring spray, but if that doesn't work then sometimes you need Force. If you're still not going to bring a gun with you then bring a couple bottles of actual bear spray and hopefully thats enough to get away. I bet bear spray would work on a cougar as well FYI tho iv never heard if anyone has triedit or not, there is alot of them around here too. I'm glad you said that because a 12 gauge is my first option, and my grandfather made me fall in love with 300 Winchester magnum.tho typically i carry a hand daily if im further out away i have my 12 typically.
@HomeInWildSpaces yeah exactly, that was a big thing that I said about a self-defense weapons as well or Home Defense weapon, the weapon isn't really as important as making sure you can use it efficiently and effectively useing it. That you are comfortable and confident with it. A hunting rifle is probably not a great Home Defense tool, but if you were to use it properly, you could mitigate bad accident and other people being hurt, by using self defense rounds, lower velocity rounds, or ones specifically for expansion not penitration for self defense.
Really appreciate your efforts to provide accurate information regarding bear attack deterrance. There are black bears where I live, but I have more concern about a mountain lion attack, so I carry bear spray when I'm out in the boonies. The lions seem to be losing their fear of humans. Your advice regarding practice with the spray cannisters is excellent! Thanks!
My pleasure! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and offer your feedback! Your engagement makes it all the more likely that internet algorithms with continue to share this video with other people. Thanks for being part of the solution!
Thanks for watching! I will be talking more about animals in the future. I'm planning to make a video on Colorado recently releasing wolves. They've been missing on the landscape for close to a century, and for the first time a State wildlife agency has brought them back. Looking forward to discussing this and more.
I have only ever seen bears, and have not worried much about it. On a couple of occasions I found animal tracks outside the tent in the morning and wondered what happened a meter away from my head while I was snoring. Actually those experiences have left me wondering about the purpose of sleeping under a thin sheet of nylon. Come to think of it, I haven't camped in a tent much since then. There is a story of a woodsman who had a grizzly as a companion, apparently raising it from a cub. One day a spoked or mad Grizzly came and killed them both. Perhaps I am off base, but I just don't see a cloud of paper spray stopping such a motivated bear. Albeit the man lived in the woods for decades before that happened, so perhaps a person can hike for lifetimes without such an encounter. Nor can I imagine calmly getting a pistol out its holster, flipping off the safety, lining up shots, and putting little holes in a charging 800kg animal in a manner that at least one shot hits a magic spot that causes the bear to instantly drop in its tracks. Or in the panic of controlling a powerful pistol from jumping around such that more than one shot hits the animal at all. And you are right, hitting a moving target from an arbitrary position where one might find oneself, is a lot harder than hitting a stationary target. Such a thing is hard to practice. Swinging a rifle around and hitting the target seem even harder, but if accomplished more likely to drop the animal. I guess I would aim to send the message through the snout or between the eyes, while timing the up and down bounces of the animal if any, but you mentioned people making chest shots and piercing lungs. I am impressed by the wardens who in the night were able to bring down a bear with a rifle shot (while heading to help the victims of a bear attack), but those guys were probably walking with guns raised ready. But then again, a person could be run over while crossing the street. "Officer I sprayed the car, but it kept coming...." We aren't walking around carrying car disincentives. At some point there are things that a person can't worry about too much. Perhaps someday we will genetically modify bears to stay away from people. Then there is that story of the guy in Vietnam who went for a piss and was taken down by a fn tiger. Tigers charging in the night. Perhaps he should have carried tiger spray.
Not in a he slightest. You are free to disregard or give yourself license to dismiss the information presented, but you will not find a more informed and balanced video on this topic. Best wishes.
Very good video. Thank you. I've hunted in grizzly country in AK and BC and thankfully never had a problem, but I share the notion the best way to go is to carry both-the most powerful firearm that you can shoot accurately and bear spray. I've even thought that carrying a compact back-up pistol with hard cast bullets might not be too bad of an idea since in a fair number of reported bear attacks the bear slams into the person and knocks the guy's pistol out of reach and the mauling begins. For me, it would be nice to have both tools or even better- the three tools. Of course, I get it, people want to cut weight that they are carrying or humping long distances in a backpack while hunting or hiking, but all things considered, life saving equipment in bear country should not be discounted.
Why does the guy in the red hat remove the rifle from his shoulder every time he chambers a round? If rehearsing for bear attack, he'll want to learn to work the bolt or lever while keeping the rifle shouldered. Also: great video and thorough, realistic treatment of the subject.
I carry bear spray, a handgun, and my trusted Benelli M4 loaded with brenneke black magic slugs. Thankfully my bear spray has been the only thing I have had to use but I am always ready for that day the bear spray does not work.
I carry both but wyoming is super windy especially up high on the mountains. Wind and terrain determine which I will use first. I must be either scary looking or ugly cause grizz have always ran from me. I know statically I'm past due for a charge so I train accordingly and stay very alert. I know someday there will be one that runs at me instead of away.
ever considered making a video on timothy treadwell and what could be learned from his mistakes or do you think that everything that needed to be said has been said?
Honestly I don't think it really matters. The bleeding hearts will continue to bleed and cry foul, the willfully ignorant will continue being so, and the people who need that message the most are going to ignore it
The recent Banff attack where the couple and dog died with empty cans of bear spray refute many of your points. A firearm of sufficient caliber is your best bet of protection in the outdoors although it's still not a guarantee of safety.
The information presented here is 100% consistent with the attack in Banff. Fire more details I invite you to watch my analysis of that attack. It’s quickly becoming the most misunderstood bear attack in history. Strange fatal grizzly attack Banff National Park | Life-saving lessons #wildspaces #banff #attack ua-cam.com/video/p7rgHvIIc_c/v-deo.html
@@HomeInWildSpaces Good thing firearms at close range against bears are not affected by wind or altitude, both of which can affect bear spray cans. PS: This is not the first time bear victims have had their remains found with empty cans of bear spray, in other words, they used the spray and still got mauled.
Absolutely right! Here's my own post which I put up prior to seeing yours: THIS VIDEO IS THE WORST FORM OF MISINFORMATION ON UA-cam! Worse than that, the narrator purports to be chastising people for "misinformation" with his "false dichotomy" statement. He begins by pointing out that bear spray has a "90% effective!" success rate. Well, that's UTTERLY MISLEADING! Here's why: Someone who possesses bear spray is far far more likely to use it on a "merely curious" grizzly. When hit with bear spray, a merely curious bear is likely to be deterred. If you use bear spray on a merely curious bear and it flees--no harm, no foul. With this in mind, people are likely to deploy bear spray in any given situation, knowing that no bear is going to die in the encounter. ON THE OTHER HAND, a man armed with a firearm KNOWS that if he discharges that firearm into a bear, then he is going to have some very serious answers to provide to law enforcement (and to others). Indeed, we are taught that firearms are a lethal "last resort," and not simply a go-away-bear device. THEREFORE, the man with the gun is far far more likely to NOT use his gun on a "merely curious" bear, but only on those bears which demonstrate that they are angry, charging, or otherwise seriously intending to inflict harm! THEREFORE, in any given situation, when a truly angry bear is hit--either by bear spray or by a firearm--it is more likely to continue its attack, oftentimes successfully. In the end, we are left with reports of 90% success rate using bear spray on both curious and angry bears, but an often lower success rate using firearms on those "almost-always angry" bears. THE VIDEO'S COMPARISION IS ABSURD, and it shows that these so-called "experts" are ignorant to the extreme.
@@HomeInWildSpaces Sir, I once worked in Yellowstone and had an access key to EVERY SINGLE GATE IN THE PARK. I am also a Canadian who has spent many years in Banff myself, as recently as December. YOU SIR, ARE UTTERLY IGNORANT and DANGEROUS.
Expertise is not a function of proximity, nor osmosis. It comes through disciplined, quality and open-minded analysis and study, as well as years of deep, relevant experience. Holding keys to gates, unfortunately does not qualify. If what you say is true (regarding your work history), I cannot account for your antagonism toward bear spray. People who are informed on the topic know the value of bear spray. It's not a guarantee, but it is very effective. Fortunately, your criticisms are thoroughly addressed in this and my other bear safety videos for anyone who is interested and open to the facts. Best wishes!
There are times when bear spray is not very effective. Bear sprays are considered a pesticide by the U.S. government and must be registered with the EPA. In doing so, the government requires that bear spray can contain no more than 1 - 2% O.C. ( oleoresin capsicum) which is a natural oil found in plants, including cayenne peppers and chillies. The ingredient that causes the burning sensation. This makes bear spray relatively weak. Compare 2% bear spray to a good pepper spray. Those can be as strong as 23% O.C. and some even stronger. Unfortunately, most pepper sprays typically only shoot about 6-12 feet. Some more, some less. A grizzly can travel 12 feet in less than a second at full charge. Bear spray is made to shoot about 25-30 feet and usually in a large fog pattern. Pepper spray's lack the distance for bear IMO. If you get a chance to have a look at a container of bear spray check the label. You'll see it contains no more than 2% O.C Another problem with bear spray is when it's windy. The spray may not go where you're intending it to go. Especially if the wind is blowing directly at or even in the direction of the person using the bear spray. If the wind blows the spray at you it can end up burning the eyes and throat of the person trying to defend against the bear, which may temporarily disable the person. That could make it very hard to open your eyes or breathe and to see the bear and defend yourself. Not a good thing if a dangerous bear is coming at you. Bear spray is under pressure and sometimes does not work well at elevations over 7000 feet. Bear spray *does* seem to work against bears that are just curious or maybe only giving a false charge. Bear spray does *not* work as well against a bear that is guarding a kill, especially if you unknowingly get between the bear and it's food source, or if a mother bear feels that you're a threat to her cubs, even if you're not close to the cubs, or if you accidentally happen to surprise a bear. Especially a sleeping bear. I know there are people that for whatever reason are not comfortable with firearms or maybe don't feel very proficient with one. If that's you and there's no way you see yourself carrying a firearm then absolutely carry bear spray. It won't always work in every situation, but it is better than not having anything. I have friends in Alaska. They tell me that most people (residents) don't bother with bear spray, preferring to carry a rifle, shotgun with slugs, or a large caliber handgun with heavy, hard-cast bullets. A good option in bear country would be to carry both a firearm and bear spray. If you carry a firearm practice with it. A lot. Make noise when you hike. Most bears will turn and leave when they hear people. Oh, and don't hike alone.
Yeah, there's the issue w the expiration date. When the spray is kept behind the counter... Anyhow bought it last year, it's expired now. Very expensive considering I've not entered the woods yet.
I’m guessing that those cases where a long gun failed to deter a bear attack in time are cases where the gun owner was using a bolt action rifle or pump action shotgun, or when the user hesitated too long.
There are a great many reasons why long guns sometimes fail. And they also work at times. Just a lot of variables. Bolt actions can be effective, as can shotguns, but they wouldn't be my first, second, third, forth or fifth choice. There are better options. Though a 12 gauge with a slug can be very effective in the right hands.
A silly remark, as spray diffuses with distance, meaning it forms a cloud. A bear's sense of smell is much more acute than a human's. Therefore, it's an effective deterrent. Are you saying that aiming a firearm to hit a moving target with precision is easier?! Lol 😆 Any rounds you get off would have to hit the charging bear right in the mouth, snout or forehead, and penetrate to be effective.
@@geoffreyeble32 depends on the caliber and distance surprise commitment of bear , accuracy Id rather use spray if I can. But always carry 45 70 will kill with one shot. If you can hit it. Right.
Thank you for this very informative video. Much appreciated. Learned a lot. It sounds like its best to have every possible option you can carry with you. Makes sense to me.
Lived,hunted, fished and camped in bear country for 50 years. I will not go into bear, lion or moose country unarmed, spray or no spray. Their are evil humans out there, too.
Great question. I'm going to cover this in my Bear Attack ABCs video. Hoping to have that video out in the next couple months before denning season is over. Stay tuned.
You try to build a wall( a barrier) for the bear to go through. When effected by the fog of spray, the bear should discontinue his attack. You should continue spraying the bear until he leaves.
I have been arguing this exact assessment for many years. I grew up, hunted and guided in grizzly bear country. I feel I am more than proficient with a handgun but still carry bear spray as my first option. My main point I make to the handgun only proponents is simply this, the only way to stop a charging bear is to break it down, brain, spine, both shoulders etc. On a charging bear the most applicable are brain and spine, target sizes ranging from an apple to a softball which is fairly easy to hit at the range but not when the target is bouncing toward you at 15-30 mph and your system is charged with adrenaline. Thank you for putting this info and video together.
I think you brought up an interesting point and I was wondering. If a bear is charging at you and you have both bear spray and a gun, You got 10 seconds to decide what to use. How do you deicide what to use. If you have the opportunity to see the bear’s temperament at the time, you could …. IDK. Hope you never need to make that decision.
There are far too many instances of bear spray being deployed and not stopping the bear, also firearm defense has 97% success in bear attacks even with middling calibers
This was a great presentation. I don’t live in bear country but have often said I wouldn’t be caught in bear country without a powerful firearm. Now I know I shouldn’t be alone and also need the bear spray.
Your videos are fantastic! The ones I've watched so far anyway. I do have one comment on his one however. You mentioned, something to the effect, that stepping backwards when a bear is advancing (besides risking a fall) may show the bear that you are weak. I am aware one should hold their ground in a non-defensive encounter, but my understanding is that in the case of a defensive encounter, stepping backward can signal to the bear that you are not a threat, for instance with a mother grizzly in defence of cubs, where you need to do whatever it takes to show her that you are not a threat,.
Again, I want to thank you for this video. I agree with all that you have said and have learned much. You see, you can teach old dogs and men new things. Love your show, keep making them.
You are so welcome! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and most especially for offering your feedback! I hope you'll also consider sharing this video and help get the message out. Thanks again! Much more to come!
Just for the record I carried bear spray then an incident in Zion caused me to also carry, then just carry , now I’m tossing back in bear spray cause of your conversation! Bears & mountain lion encounters continue to happen at night while sleeping in my tent
More anti-gun. Too much bad info in this video which could get someone killed. Just responding to one claim "There is no reason to not carry both". Of course there is. 1) In a charge you won't have time to use both 2) trying to be prolific on two systems is harder than trying to be prolific in one 3) the potential lost time while trying to decide which to use during a charge could be fatal. 4) trying to be proficient in two systems, leaves you less proficient at both compared to specific training in one. I'll stop there.
Would you ever trust a mechanic who said, "I'm really good with screwdrivers so I don't use wrenches"? I expect not. But, I understand your point(s), and I appreciate that you have taken the time to voice your feedback. While there is crossover, the fact is that bear spray and the right firearm in the right hands, do not occupy the exact same defensive niche. More than that, bear spray is far easier to master and use successfully. It's because of that ease of use and effectiveness that there's no good reason to not carry and know how to use bear spray. The time it takes to master bear spray in no way detracts from the time needed to master using an appropriate gun. As far as knowing which to choose and when. I covered that in this and the follow up video. It's not that complicated. If a person is waffling between options at the time of a charge, all that means is they were not prepared. It's not a compelling argument for not being proficient with both. Much appreciate the feedback. Best wishes!
So bear spray for sure. I spend a great deal of time in grizzly country in all seasons solo. I have difficulty being social, so solo. When I dirt bike I carry bear spray. When I hike or bike outside national park I carry 44 mag mare's leg in a quick draw vorn pack, bear spray and clip point straight blade belt knife. I also play music on a small speaker while I'm in close bush to make some noise. Most of these precautions are phychological and there to allow me to relax. Keep your eyes open and don't wear ear buds or headphones. I have practiced drawing and firing this gun, a type that you didn't mention. A Chiappa Scorpio, 5 rounds, lever action. I should do some practice as you say. I have loaded and unloaded this gun for a few years now without discharging a round. Thanks for the video. Good effort.
I live in bear country. I carry bear spray, but fear it may not be enough, or if you're on a multi day trip and end up using it, now you're screwed. Guns are not allowed in National Parks, but I feel like this would be for ONLY if you are being attacked. Spray first, and do what you can. But if that doesn't do, then maybe a gun might be needed
You carry with an empty chamber, and cite numerous statistics regarding failures in manipulating weapons under stress. Even the fact that flipping off the safety lever is forgotten under stress… Misfeeds occur during chambering, sir. That preparation failure could quickly render your weapon useless.
You’re also not seating your stocks into your shoulder. Your grip requires adjustment after each shot. It’s abundantly evident you haven’t undergone extensive firearms training… That aside, bear spray use could save one legal trouble; an attacking bear is likely expecting to endure blunt force trauma, but is not expecting to get a face full of bear spray.
If you’re uncomfortable carrying a semi auto chambered, consider a revolver. Carrying on an empty chamber with a revolver does not change its firing procedure. It also doesn’t have issues returning to battery when firing limp-wristed, or when pressed against a surface like it could be when wrestling. This advice is intended to help you. Thanks for the channel.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll covering carrying with or without one in the chamber in future videos. I think you'll also notice that I do not adjust my grip in every clip. In many cases, the gun I was firing was not my standard gun, and I am not at all ashamed of readjusting my grip during practice. You comment about the stock not being consistently seated is a valid point. I would add that I was using long guns in a manner for which they are not intended (close quarters defense). The simulation was intended to fire rapidly, and naturally my form suffered. This is something that can be improved, with practice, but again I would encourage you to consider the context. Make sure stay tuned. More to come.
You stated the in many cases the safety was engaged and the shooter could not take the safety off. Anyone that is too stupid to operate a safety switch is not going to be competent to kill a bear with a gun anyway.
@@alexk3088 so do you train to learn how to turn the light switch on and off? Do you train to learn how to turn the key in your door? Do you train to learn how to flip the switch on the toilet to flush it? You've been watching too many cop training videos and too many tactitard training videos. Using your brain is very effective.
@@alexk3088 I married a female that I later discovered was someone with borderline personality disorder and was a covert narcissist. That was enough stressful situations to last 10 lifetimes. I have been successful on 2 bear hunts. No stress seeing and shooting a bear compared to what a crazy female can do armed with a lawyer and a liberal judge.
14:00 you realize the Smith-Herrero study includes incidents from the early 1900’s when single shot black powder firearms were still in use, right? This unfairly taints the firearm success rate. Restricting the data to defensive use of modern firearm incidents the rate increase significantly.
I discuss the limits of Smith’s and Herrero’s work, but I welcome any flaws you feel I missed. The also assess modern incidents. Smith and his students have currently catalogued more than 1,000 attacks. Far more than those published in the papers published in the early 2000s.
Fractions of a second matter when you get charged in thick brush at close range, and nothing stops a animal like a chunk of lead through its heart or brain.
Nice, bsing video... In a few syntaxes. If bear is angry or hungry for any reason at all, spray won't work. A wind also may play tricks on you, and you will spray yourself, instead of bear... Bullet can handle the wind... Also check your expiration day on the spray, because if it is after, and you meet a bear, it's probably your expiration date too... =D Gun, well, as long as you have the right ammo and you know what you are doing, you can put down Grizly with .22 LR, but only if you are a proffecional. Otherwhise have at least 10mm handgun with solit ammo (steel wad ammo, not a hollow point or round nose fmj leed). 9mm will work to, as long as it's right ammo and you are know what you are doing. Try to find bear proof jacket... =D In addition, ask your friendly FFA agent if you can carry a bear spray on the flight, when traveling to a bear country... And when arrive, try to find a bear spray in the store, if you are lucky for how much?... It's simpler to fly with a gun in correctly setup case and if you lawfully set it up, there should be no issues on the plane and buy ammos in a bear country, could be cheaper and more available than spray.... Remember, ammo don't expire, unless you used them...
Is it true during a bear attack, you can stick your arm into the bear's mouth and it causes a gag reaction therefore, it may deter the attack momentarily? also, can you use bear spray on mountain lions ? I hike and am concerned about running into one
If applicabble and lawful carry both and well trained 90% of bear attacks deal with sow with cubs or older emaciated bears. Also sudden unexpected encounters or unleashed dogs. Rarely do bears "hunt* hunans. It's usually a protective mode. Or emaciated due to age or poor habitat.
29:46, in the Svalbard-archipelago, the governor demands that you are armed and prepared for polar bear encounters. They advice on no less than a .44 if you want to bring a hand gun, but they recommend rifles or semi or pump shotguns. Old mausers are quite common. I do not appreciate them in a defensive role due to the reloading time. Powerful 30-06, but too slow if not the first bullet is good... I prefer semi-auto shotguns with slugs.
Most handguns are essentially semiautomic, while many hunting long guns are built action, and low capacity or difficult to reload under stress like a shotgun. Whereas if someone had the right gun for this job like a magazine fed semiautomatic rifle in a reasonable caliber for this situation, e.g., .308, 458 socom, etc. Or a magazine fed semiautomatic shotgun (e.g., saiga, or fostech), then I think the chances of success would be much greater assuming the shooter is trained at all.
Thank you for your time and effort involved in making these videos, it’s refreshing to see fact based information as well as a grounded approach to reality. I always carry both, and could not agree more that effective practice with both is mandatory.
I appreciate that! For years, I've been reviewing the internet's information on bear attacks and bear safety and have sort of been perpetually frustrated with all the nonsense out there. As time has gone on, and I've encountered more bears and written more on bear attacks and bear safety, it become clear that I needed to put some solid audio-visual resources together. It's taken a while, but I'm hopeful that my videos will help clear up some of the dangerous nonsense and help both people and bears. Much more to come! I hope you'll consider sharing this and my other bear safety videos. The information can't help people unless they have access to it. Thanks again!
One must prepare in the wild because one can encounter wild animal anytime. People got killed by wild animal because they were not prepared, thinking they will never get attack by wild animal.
you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. BOTH should be carried if you’re gonna explore known ‘bear country’. Find another way to spew Anti gun propaganda.
I’m not an expert and have zero Bear defense experience. However I have worked many years in the Prison System where we use chemical agents of all types. They are usually effective but there are many people who continue to assault, fight, or resist even after being sprayed head to toe. I’m trying to imagine a more ferocious, adrenaline fueled monster stopping to pepper spray and it is hard for me to imagine if it had a desperate reason to attack (hunger, protection, fear, etc….) I’m not an expert though so… yeah.
Keep in mind if you or another person in the area has asthma bear spray could be fatal. Most petted to forget this but this has the potential to be a HIGE problem. Also bear spray can not be transported by aircraft.
Why is this guy the only guy who uses common sense when it comes to this topic? I'm a Texas native who recently moved to Alaska. I'm a blank slate when it comes to this topic so when I moved I asked as many people as I could about what precautions I should take in bear country. I asked everyone from hunting guides, lifelong native Alaskans, the biologist who works for the base, REI employees, and taxidermist. I never asked if I should carry a gun or bear spray because I didn't want to influence how they answered. Personally the way I see it I always carry a gun when I'm hiking/hunting/camping anyways so as far as the gun side of things go it was only a matter of getting somethings more appropriate for bears, and carrying a can of bear spray isn't hard to do so I don't see any reason not to carry even if you don't expect to use it. As I asked around I was surprised by how many people see it as a one or the other question. I didn't grow up around guns so when I did start getting into shooting it kinda helped me see through a lot of the BS that gun owners parrot without questioning the logic behind the claims. I see so much of the same type of nonsense passed around when talking about guns for bear defense. It focuses so much on the gun/caliber but totally disregards individual skill, confidence, etc. I've been in Alaska about six months now and I've read and watched so much content on guns and spray and I can't say my research has helped me feel any more prepared than before I moved here. This video and your other ones on this subject are absolutely phenomenal. Hands down the best content about dealing with bears. Fantastic work. Keep it going!
What I dread most about the outdoors in America is that we’re not allowed to stop carry in national parks which basically make you a walking chew toy for any animal
This video is the most solid, responsible, well studied PSA on the subject of Bear and Human encounters, and the responsibility of knowing the limitations of your chosen method of defense against a bear attack/encounter. Starting with knowing our limitations/skill level.
Just a couple of things to consider here. If bear spray has about a 30 foot range, how long does it take a charging bear to close that distance on you? Can it even stop?. There are several videos on youtube showing bears beginning to race at people from long distances, if that was the scenario, I'd much rather have an option to start defending myself at 100yds, 50 yds, 25 yards. Don't get me wrong I believe bear spray has its uses in certain scenarios, but in others it does not remotely give the options a suitable firearm can.
Anyone who shoots at a bear “defensively” at ranges of 20+ yards needs to stay out of the backcountry. Warning shots at that range are fine, but shooting with the intent to kill or wound an animal at the ranges you have described demonstrates a remarkable lack of understanding regarding bears and bear safety. Bears can stop on a dime, and have been repeatedly stopped on a dime by the successful use of bear spray. Guns are a tools, but they become a liability in the hands of someone who is not sufficiently proficient in the operation of their firearm AND their responsible use in the backcountry. The same goes for bear spray. They are tools, with proper and improper uses. Period.
@@HomeInWildSpaces I was not advising that you should shoot a bear at long distance out of hand, but have seen videos of situations where leaving it until the bear was 60 feet way would be utterly ridiculous. I would start with warning shots, they have been effective for me with mountain lions, but again have seen, where warning shots have not deterred bears. I do not have a desire to unnecessarily kill a bear, but honestly if you insist to take no action against a bear running that will take effect until it gets with in 30 feet, you can have no credibility at all. In that distance may be the bear can stop, but there is also a response time to the pepper spray to factor in. At 30 mph the bear is covering 44 feet per second, in a serious meaningful attack, I don't see how in less than a second the spray will stop the bear making contact at which point the pain induced will just be interpreted as it's victim fighting back. Conversely there are documented attacks where a firearm has been able to end an attack when the bear is actually on top of the person. I would suggest you watch some other bear interactions here on UA-cam and even some of the African game videos, with charging male lions, cape buffalo, elephants etc. to broaden your knowledge, to me you see things with a tunnel vision that doesn't allow you to consider all the scenarios that can occur in the real world.
I have watched the videos and read the accounts you suggest. I don't deny the effectiveness or the occasional necessity of firearms in capable and responsible hands. That is not and never was in dispute. Nor did I "insist on [taking] no action against a bear...until it gets within thirty feet" as you have suggested. I again reiterate that I deal in substance. Straw-man misrepresentations are not substantive. You are welcome to watch my bear safety videos. The information is all there if you are willing to receive it. Thanks again
@@HomeInWildSpaces You certainly did insist no action should be taken within 20 yards and followed that with arrogantly stating that anyone doing so had no place in the back country and knew nothing about bears. At 20 yards you have 1.37 seconds of time, assuming it's a relatively slow bear at 30mph, to react and for your bear spray to take full effect. You contradict yourself and go in circles, whilst implying everyone, but yourself is some sort of fool for thinking something else. If you only have bear spray, how can they take any action before the bear is close to 30 feet? You should review the comments here more fully, it's important to entertain the possibility that when so many disagree with you, you just might be wrong in some areas. Ultimately, everyone gets to make their own choice based on their own conclusions and their abilities. I put my faith in a 44 magnum revolver or a 45-70 lever action rifle as the best options in an actual attack as opposed to a bear getting too close undecided on it's intentions where bear spray is certainly a viable option. Your situation might be different because as you clearly illustrated in you range videos, you haven't learned how to use a lever action rifle yet. A couple of points on technique that I find of interest is that PH's on dangerous hunts in Africa never have a sling on their double rifle, because it should never be shouldered and it eliminates the temptation to do so. I've also seen them do something that takes huge self control, but it very logical and that is to drop to take a knee as the animal charges, ensuring that they fire in line, and parallel to, the animal, ensuring it is hit as opposed to the tendency to fire over the animal as it is closing animal. One video stands out where a guy does that with a Cape Buffalo bearing down at close range, that really takes some nerve, but also something that is important in dangerous situations and that is to already have clear in your mind how to react.
No grizzly bears in my state but we do have lots of black bears and shit tons of cougars and ever since a decade and a half ago or so, wolves have naturally come back to the state from neighboring states and we know have several established wolf packs in some national forests. That being said.... If I'm hunting I'm already carrying a firearm most likely a rifle. When I'm only hiking or overnight camping I try to carry both bear mace and handgun when I can depending on weight and how much distance I'll be hiking. Bear mace at the very least. Sometimes one has to be more aware of two legged critters in the forests growing "tomatoes and lettuce" if you follow!!??
A good video and I agree with your final conclusion. There are some things that are not properly represented. Keeping your firearm unloaded (empty chamber i.e. "not cocked and locked") indicates you have a lack of skill and/or lack of experience. "You often don't have time to vassilate between options". Precisely my point. Your rifle shooting technique and your statement of your experience indicates a lack of training and skill. That has nothing to do with the efficacy of bear spray but it does have an effect of the efficacy of the firearm. Yes, I believe bear spray is the better tool, for bears. A bear afraid of humans teaches other bears, win-win. Wounded bears are very, very dangerous. Yes, firearms require more skill to be effective. Yes, firearms have a greater potential of consequence if negligently discharged. I would suggest examining one statistic you overlooked. Thousands of times more people carry firearms than those carrying bear spray. Therefore, the likelihood of accidents are higher so comparing them as equally likely is a false comparison. The solution is to not only promote bear spray use but to demonstrate proper firearm use.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll discuss carrying with one in the chamber in coming videos. Also, I really wasn't comparing the frequency of negligent discharges with either bear spray or guns. Rather I was objecting to the hosts of a UA-cam channel suggesting "inadvertent activation" was unique to bear spray. It's a slight of hand I see often where commentators try and pretend one issue or hazard is unique to one deterrent and not another. I think you are probably right that the greater number of firearms or rather people carrying firearms makes cases of negligence with a firearm more common. I'm just trying to encourage people to respect their tools and handle them appropriately. It seems fair to conclude that we are in near, if not total agreement. Thanks a ton for watching and sharing your thoughts! They are received with gratitude.
Thanks.Im glad I saw this.I hike in Ontario and there are black bears in the woods.In this province there are bear aware infographics given to the public that say you should back away slowly and now I hear you saying that a bear expert has stated doing that signals that you are a weak target and can cause the bear to advance rather than flee.That small indescrepency in that moment could have put my life at risk.
Interesting usually the ones pushing bear spray only and no firearms are government officials that they themselves carry firearms. Do as I say not as I do! We just had an incident here in Canada in which two experienced hikers were killed by a bear and bear spray was not effective however when law enforcement went in they were able to take the bear out with their firearms.
Thanks for watching! If you referencing the attack in Banff, I hope you check out the analysis video I produced: Deadliest grizzly bear attack Banff National Park | Life-saving lessons #wildspaces #banff #attack ua-cam.com/video/p7rgHvIIc_c/v-deo.html It’s nearly identical to an attack that occurred in 2005 when a husband and wife were killed in Alaska. Except the victims in that case had a 45-70 lever action rifle. Both are potentially very effective tools, but neither is a genie in a bottle. Sometimes the answer is more complex than gun or bear spray. I hope you’ll check out the full video.
@HomeInWildSpaces thanks I will check out that video out. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but I do believe we should have a choice to choose for ourselves or, better yet, have the ability to have them both on our person. However, here in Canada, it is not legal for the average Canadian to carry a handgun for protection, and now it's illegal to purchase any new handguns. Rifles may be carried, however, not on provincial Parklands.
Sir,excellent coverage for American hunters,but not Canada &the residence of Dr.Herreo an advocate of banning bear hunting. Since the 1940 s pistols have been banned in Canada,regardless of National Parks.Dr.Herreo is for Canada without saying that,Tom Smith accurate. Your advice is accurate after minimal grizzly experience&significant black bear by bow&gun. The ideal as emphasized,practice with both options where legal to be able to use either as almost asleep or just waking up.😢
Honestly if lived in a place that had Brown or Polar bears. I wouldn't go anywhere without a 500 Smith & Wesson magnum emergency survival revolver. No way I'm trusting my life on the reliance of bear spray.
I can’t help but wonder what would the man and woman with the dog had gave to have had a large caliber hand gun the night they were torn apart by a grizzly
Welcome to the conversation! I read all your comments and respond as I'm able. Leaving a comment is the best way to share your experience as well as ask questions. If I can't answer them here, I often will address questions and comments in future videos.
I invite you to engage in the conversation and also to keep your comments constructive and respectful. We are all focused on human safety and wildlife conservation. Respectful and informed communication is our best hope of accomplishing that goal.
Take care everyone! Thanks for engaging!
@HomeInWildSpaces the best defense against man or beast is a firearm. If you love being in the outdoors exploring, fishing, hiking, or even hunting you need to be proficient in the use and maintenance of your firearms. Training with a firearm may cost you thousands of dollars but it could save your life against man or beast. You can choose to carry bear spray but I choose to carry a firearm.
Political terrorists huh? Unsub leftist scumbag.
@davesmith7432, I'm accustomed to these types of responses, but what is remarkable to me is how often they are unjustified. If you pay attention to photos I use to discuss the problem with political terrorists misusing bear spray, you will note that the photos demonstrate misuse by both the "right" and the "left".
I appreciate your passion, but I think it's led you to a demonstrably false conclusion-as passions typically do. I'm simply raising awareness about misuse. I do not see that as political.
Best wishes!
your commentary is negligent and you might be liable!
@@dwaynediesel6079 If you have an example, I welcome the feedback. But what is presented here is the most complete and balanced examination of this topic give the data currently available.
When my wife and I hiked through Yellowstone backcountry we had bear spray AND a gun. Interestingly enough even though we saw a grizzly on the trip off in the distance it was much less of a threat to us versus a giant herd of bison that almost surrounded us, as they wanted to graze the grass field we were in. We got the bear spray and gun ready as they drew closer but were able to slowly sneak out of a small gap in the herd. It was good to know we had layers of defense but even then things could have gone bad fast and probably not in our favor.
I've encountered multiple grizzlies over the years, and I'm far more concerned when in proximity to a moose than a bear.
You are so right. The social fear of bears has eclipsed respect and the justified trepidation of other animals often considered "cute". I love a good moose or bison encounter, but I never loose sight of the fact that both can be temperamental and dangerous.
Thanks for sharing your experience and your insights!
Of course firearms are “not allowed” in Yellowstone Park. Guess they are I stand corrected just not in government buildings. However, be prepared for a costly ordeal and maybe jail time if you shoot a grizzly in the park, they’ll try to bury you with a minimum $50,000.00 fine and jail.
@@bobinmontana777 like im going there totally defenceless except for the protection of a ranger that might be on lunch break or in a meeting . Youll recognise me as the guy with the sawed off bazooka.
@@bobinmontana777 sure they are, just not inside gov buildings
Excellent discussion, I couldn’t agree more. Like you, I’ve been using firearms for decades, so I carry one in bear country. But I also carry bear spray, and have done so since the mid-80’s. They are NOT mutually exclusive. Thanks for doing the research and making the video.
Love your comment! I hope to help other people come to the same realization. Tools are tools. Culture wars regarding which is "best" aren't helpful. They have their appropriate function, and in the right hands they can be very effective.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I hope you'll consider sharing the video and help get the message out. Cheers!
I live in alaska and like you i carry both. the spray is for bears, the 10mm is for the aggro methheads
In the Infantry we have a concept called 'Defense In Depth' or a layered defense. The take away here is the same: Have multiple defensive points. When I am in Wyoming, I have Bear Spray as my preferred defense, (because I don't want to kill a bear unless it tries to kill me first,) my 10mm pistol as my second, and my Bowie knife as my third line of defense.
That's just for hiking. If hunting one of us carries a rifle and the other carries a shotgun with slugs, in addition to spray, a pistol and a blade.
That could all fail potentially, but it allows us to punch well above our weight in Griz Country.
Yep to all of this
*^THIS!^*
I live this, always carry a pepper spray because you dont want to kill something or someone just because it presents a threat, if it presents a threat depending on the level maybe harassingly then deploy, if the first line of defense fails and threat increases to imminent bodily harm to death.....then i use my handgun, if second layer of defense fails because as you all know adrenaline is a hell of a thing and something or someone in it can keep going then my trusty boker knife or any high quality knife as a third is good. But yes this concept is good!
If you successfully deploy bear spray it may save you, if you successfully deploy a firearm it will save you, it’s harder to get the latter right because it takes more practice and skill, but id rather put my life in my own hands rather than put it up to chance
A wounded bear will fight for its life. A curious bear will run away.
@@jasonbyu75 pain from pepper spray and pain from a bullet are both “wounds” to the bear’s brain so this comment is irrelevant
@@RunD.Ones1s the world’s foremost statistical database suggests there is a difference in how the bear reacts.
@@jasonbyu75 no they don’t, you’re referencing a study that cooked the numbers to deter people from carrying guns, a skilled marksman can take down a bear with greater regularity than a can of pepper spray, that’s an incontrovertible fact, most folks aren’t skilled marksman though
@@RunD.Ones1s you sound like a teenager.
Great video! Now my two cents. I spent 7 years on two US Army tours in Alaska. On my first tour everyone was recommending the 44mag revolver as "Bear medicine!". I carried one for several months until a gentleman pointed out that a 30-30 has more stopping power then that 44mag. He had a lot more experience than I hunting dangerous game and what he said made sense. I got and started carrying an Itica 37 12ga police with extended magazine after that, loaded with slugs. The Eskimo scouts we worked with and lived basically among them said to put your hands up and back away quitly saying "I come in peace brother bear!", never wanted to try that technique out myself. Now remember in that time bear spray was not a thing, if it was I would for sure carry it with my 12ga. Now my personal up close encounter with a large bear was in the small town we lived in a fairly large brown bear wandered onto the highway leading out of Anchorage and was hit by no less than two cars and one pickup, demolishing all three. Serviving that he lay bleeding and still alive until a state trooper with cahunas the size of basketballs calmly walked up to him and placing his 357 revolver bihind the bears ear dispatched it, they are unbelievably strong. I personallgy clocked one doing 35kts through alders taller than a man like they were nothing. You can't outrun them. I remember a reporter interviewing a man who had been badly malled abd asking "You had a gun, why didn't you shot him?" Where apon the gentleman said " I tried to but he ate my gun!" Bottom line carry both spray and a gun capable of doing what needs to be done and practice with them till it becomes second nature. Be safe out there!...
Thanks! And thanks for sharing your own experience. I encountered a grizzly that was hit by a truck once myself. In my case it got up eventually and wandered off into the forest. There are remarkably powerful animals.
I carried the 45/70 stainless short barrel "guide gun" for a few years when out in the bush up there, but found when going to the bathroom I would set it down. An old fella pointed that out and I switched to the 500 S&W. took a painful time to get good with it but once I was good I started carrying that.
I have no plans to ever enter bear territory. But I find this information interesting
You may not plan to enter bear territory but you never know when a bear might enter your territory. I live in the Piedmont area of NC and although bears are very rare in this part of the state they are not non existent. We are in their migration path and a couple of times a year they are seen in the area. And most people don't even realize it until they see one for themselves or on the local news. If you live in a major city you probably don't have to worry about it, but otherwise you should know that bears are present at least occasionally almost everywhere in North America.
@libertyspike8890 thats interesting. I forgot bears lived in NC
@@frogglen6350they live in like 48 states lol
I live in bear country. And it's on the northwest border of NC. I've seen bear in Avery County. Nit as dense as they are an hour away at my house in TN. They're thicker than thieves over here. Thanks Gatlinburg. And bear spray is faulty and what to do when the bear and wind are coming from same direction. Seen too many stories of sorry failure. A hand full of failures. I thought there were only a handful of bear attacks. You're being negligent. Bears are known to eat expended cans to get to left over spray and that they'll roll in spray areas. Hard to stop a bear coming at you 30mph. Sounds like an anti gun commercial.
I live in the UK, have no plans to visit a zoo soon and we also don't really have guns here... and I still found this interesting 😅
Wrong question. Clearly, you should have both, and a small, strong, hatchet on your belt. And other things, like a location transponder. Basic medical supplies. Etc.
Yeah I thought the Alaska standard at one point was a can of bear spray on your chest and a magnum rifle slung. You train to have the gun on target by the time the can of spray succeeded or failed. Or that’s what I read anyways.
But yeah dumb to have a gun without spray!!! The other way around can be necessary in certain unfortunate situations(usually avoid these places)…
Things marketed as medical supplies.
Thank you sir. My thoughts exactly. Carry both. Or have someone w/ you w/ spray while you carry
You are going to fight a grizzly with a hatchet. The bear has 5 claws on each foot that are longer than your fingers. These claws are suitable for tearing open fallen logs. You can't be serious?
@@HughButler-lb6zs You. Just have poor reading comprehension. I talked about bear spray, a firearm, and a small hatchet. Obviously, the hatchet is the last line of defense. A strategically placed hatched blow, at the point, may make the difference in the bear backing off of you once upon you. Hatchets are also great utility tools to have in the wild/wilderness. But I suppose you could just surrender and lay there and let the bear eat you because the bear spray didn’t work or the shots from the firearm missed or didn’t stop it. Go for it Hugh.
Good video. I have lived most of my life in southeast Alaska and consider myself very competent with firearms. I have had extensive training in the army and in law enforcement. But I think you hit the nail on the head. A firearm requires a much higher degree of proficiency. I personally carry both but the bear spray is hands down the primary. I often carry bear spray in hand in areas of high undergrowth if I can’t avoid that area altogether. Situational awareness is above all the most important out of everything.
Thanks for putting this together.
I carry both too, I also have over 30 years of Filipino Martial Arts experience so besides a gun and bear spray, I carry a Kris - that is a large Filipino knife with a curvy blade. A real serious weapon !
Sounds like you're using your most important tool-your head.
I love reading comments like this. Too many people are so locked up in culture wars that they can't see what is plain to see.
Tools have both a proper use, and a skill thresholded needed to operate them effectively. Proficiency with multiple tools provides much improved security.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
I'm in Petersburg, where you live?
@@ericoverdorff8880 I currently live in Oregon. But spent most of my time in juneau / Haines area. As a kid I was on Admiralty island. Looking to return to Juneau in the future.
@amschroed89 I was born in juneau, moved here in 73. I use to go deer hunting every fall on admiralty, Gambier bay, I use to find it exciting, lots of brownies. Deer heart and king crab every night for the week we spent hunting. My hunting buddy moved south 5,6 years ago and in my mid 60s I get enough excitement just hunting mitkof island and the mainland. Plus the water always sucks in late September when we'd go. Trying to get home in heavy seas in my 21 foot cabin cruiser was sometimes more scary than blowing the deer call on admiralty. I hope you make it back to Southeastern Alaska, those that haven't spent time here don't know just how beautiful, adventurous, and wild it is.
Great video. The comments here show just how entrenched some people are in their beliefs, regardless of the data. In fact, I'd guess most of the comments didn't bother to watch the full video.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, many of the critical comments are clearly written by people who didn't bother to watch the full video. Not much I can do if people aren't willing to consider the facts.
It does make me appreciate those who do spend the time to watch the full video. So thanks!
I hope you'll consider watching and sharing the follow up to this video. It's the most important bear safety video I've released yet. Link: ua-cam.com/video/5rqa4KhjpSE/v-deo.html
Why don't you just simplify it and say have both a large bore rifle or pistol and bear spray and on federal parks in the backcountry a large boar pistol and bear spray because it's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6
I think that's a valid point. "Why not just simplify?"
The topic of safety in bear country is so polarizing and controversial to so many people that it takes time to sufficiently discuss the details and explain why every adult should carry and be proficient with bear spray and those who carry a gun should be sufficiently proficient and responsible in handling them.
In truth I don't encourage people to carry a firearm. They are very effective tools in the right hands.
Neither bear spray or a gun will be effective without sufficient training, practice, and respect for the tool. That is I encourage people need understand their tool(s) and to be responsible and proficient with them.
Thanks for watching and for offering your feedback!
Good point I think he just feels clever making it as complicated as possible.
Pistols illegal in all Canada sadly sir,&60%of grizzly seasons are even closed there,Alberta&BC.😢
Exactly.
@@raphaeljack1189 he literally just explained why he didn't simplify. and there are multiple factors to consider for your safety when hiking in grizzly country...which you would understand if you were paying attention
As someone that hikes with a firearm, I still recognize that bear spray is far more versatile in stopping situations between any type of animal or person. My firearm is there in the event that things have gone so far south that it’s all I have to rely on. This is an excellent video and still very insightful.
I love reading comments like yours. There are too many people who are stuck in the "either/or" camp and seem unable to understand that a person who appreciates the value and proper use of each tool is far better off than anyone in the either/or camp.
I commend you for recognizing the value of bear spray, and also understanding that being sufficiently versed with a firearm is a strong backup. A balanced and informed traveler is a rare breed. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your perspective!
Hope to hear from you again!
By all means carry both. But the most important thing is to remember which you should pull first. People have made the mistake of not knowing which to grab first, and wasted precious seconds.
Judging how bear spray is only effective at stopping aggressive brown bears 33% of the time according to one of the author's of the study he mentioned, I think it's quite clear which you should grab first.
If you don't believe me, watch this video, it has proof and sources.
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@@infogunvault6920
Able discretionary wisdom is required...!
Thanks, all of your information is very helpful, but I am one who really doesn't want to put a bear down, but my life is a little more important than the bears life. So, I would be interested in knowing how to keep me 100 % free from a deadly encounter in the first place. Thank You for what you are doing!!!
Stay tuned. Tomorrow my video on the Bear Attack ABC's drops. Knowing and following the ABC's is as close as you can get to a guarantee.
Don't go into bear country.
There are no guarantees. I'm sure there are people who have died who had both spray and a firearm
I've been hit with bear spray diffused in an enclosed space, and not much of it. It didn't really get my eyes, but inhaled you get such an extreme amount of pain, mucus, and spasming in your airways that you're almost instantly incapacitated. For a few seconds I thought I'd completely suffocate before I managed to cough my way to a lungful of air. It was that experience that really taught me how a little "hot sauce in a can" can turn away a grizzly.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I've gotten some bear spray (a low dosage) in my eyes and it's nasty. I think people really don't understand the involuntary response to this stuff and how powerful it is, especially when used effectively.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Yes IF It gets to a bears sensitive/vulnerable places...!
Great video. It's not a competition, but when people say they need a gun for protection in the woods it's an immediate confession that they are strangers to wildlands and very likely suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect with firearms - thinking their half-assed once a year playing at a range makes them weapons experts.
In Canada we are not allowed to carry handguns, but I'd much rather a can of bear spray anyway. When hunting, it would be MUCH more preferable close range than a long rifle - I have zero confidence I could hit a charging bear with my scoped .308.
As for in camp, a 12-gauge with slugs is the ultimate safety blanket. It is the only thing with close range stopping power for smiting thine ursine enemy if it tries opening your tent like a candy wrapper. I'll still sleep with my bear spray in arm's reach (FYI most have a fluorescent part on trigger so you can always find it!), but in the supremely unlikely event of that horrific night-time predation attack, that shotgun could be your best friend.
10mm glock in a chest rig is what the debate is about... Not a 308 with a scope. Plenty of accounts or a pissed-off bear ignores the spray and mauls people
@@blantant there are very few places on a bear that will cause instant death, nevermind hitting them during a charge. And even a fatal shot can take up to 20 seconds to register with the brain that PS bear, you're dead! In a charge and maul 20 seconds is a loooong time. To an intent bear, accustomed to pain when fighting off rivals or wolves, they can plow through without seeming to notice the sting of a bullet.
Pepper spray acts on the senses - sight is affected dramatically, as is smell. It tends to be noticed and responded to instantly, because loss of senses makes the bear vulnerable, and they know that. If they can't see or smell the inclination - most of the time - is to get away from the danger, not press on. I believe that is a big part of why it is so effective. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
@@Gr8tBlueHeronExactly. Spray isn't something bears are used to, so it hits them with a combination of surpise and a very unpleasant assault on the senses. With bears, the very olfactory response that gives them such an edge in smell actually intensifies the effect of the spray. It's bad enough if we get sprayed, but almost all bears just can't stand it, plus they don't know what it is.
@@blantant Not"plenty" but yes, some bears are like Mike Tyson
@@blantantdid you not watch the video? A 10mm was barelt mentioned. Thats not what it was about
I live off grid in northern AZ and there are black bears. I actually despise bears. Don't like them at all. Don't think they're cute. I do all I possibly can to avoid bears.
I live in N.Az as well an yes the bears are very present so be safe
They're walking eating machines...!
That attacks in Bath park resulted in the death of the couple and rather dog. An empty bear spray canister was found in their tent.
I'm glad you brought that up. It's one a few attacks where bear spray seemingly failed. Of course we lack all the information necessary to draw a definitive conclusion. I did however address Doug and Jenny's story in this analysis video. I hope you'll check it out (link below).
Too many people see what they want to see in the Banff attack without recognizing the lifesaving lessons evident in that tragedy. And the internet is almost completely unhelpful as a whole.
Lifesaving lessons from deadly Banff attack: ua-cam.com/video/p7rgHvIIc_c/v-deo.html
It was my understanding that the bear spray they had was defective.
Also, was it just one can of bear spray? One would think they'd both have a can.
Much better thumbnail! I wasn't sure when I clicked yesterday if this was the video comparing guns to bear spray you talked about making. Much clearer. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback! Thumbnails are not my speciality, but they are important. Glad you were able to find it!
I think the ideal cover is to work as a team in a bear encounter. One person with a gun one with bear spray.
You're getting at the most important and reliable deterrent-being with other people.
However, your odds are best if you have multiple people who stand their ground and use bear spray. To my knowledge there is not a single case of a bear making contact with a person when two or more people stand their ground.
A firearm is an unquestionable asset in the right hands. A warning shot can and often does deter a bear before they come within range of bear spray. And of course the appropriate gun in the right hands can end a threat once and for all if necessary. But it's really best to use bear spray first and in unison.
The clear exception being a strong head wind.
I don't even live anywhere near bear country but I find these videos fascinating.
The fear is clearly not “mostly unjustified” for those that frequently spend time in bear country. There are many firearms bear defenses that are not reported because people don’t want to deal with the law.
Lack of reporting is a factor across the board, including with bear spray. The data isn't perfect, but that gap often leads people to fill the blank with whatever fits their choses world view.
I respectfully disagree. The fear of bears is entirely overblown. That's coming from somewhat who spends a great deal of time in bear country and has encountered many, many bears.
That does not however change the fact that people should be prepared. But part of that preparation requires tempering our social acquired fears.
Thanks for watching and offering your feedback. It's received with appreciation.
Air spray became popular because of anti gun laws becoming popular.
Really high quality video I’m shocked. I gotta go backpacking again sometime soon (been about 12 years).
Still you got another subscriber.
You seem to punch above your weight if this video is an indication.
Your humility is also helpful!!!
You're very kind. After years of watching problematic resources, I set out to make the best resources I could. Addressing the debate over "which is best" was always going to be critically important. And I'm pleased with the response.
I'm hoping, with time, to make a meaningful contribution to the topic of bear safety.
Thanks again for watching and commenting! Much more to come.
@@HomeInWildSpaces one thing I learned young and press on every beginner/bear naive: “fear isn’t helpful so keep it under control”
This is how I think about it:
Your safer not fearing bears but respecting them with the understanding it’s under penalty of death.
I am well aware of the effectiveness of bear spray but wind is a constant here in NW Wyoming. Downwind situations are far less likely because your scent is carried ahead of you and a bear will most likely smell you coming and be gone. Upwind encounters are far more likely but will severely hinder your bear spray. For that reason I choose firearms but as you pointed out, anyone who makes that choice must be highly proficient with firearms. You also made the point that your best defense is situational awareness and having said the same thing many times myself, I couldn't possibly agree more. I think one should also recognize and accept the fact that it is a risk to enter bear country and that despite all your precautions, the worst can happen. It's part of the adventure of living in wild places and if you're not adventurous enough to accept that risk, maybe it's best if you get your thrills riding roller coasters or playing video games. I've encountered grizzlies before but I've yet to be charged. I hope it stays that way but I'm prepared if it doesn't.
Liquid foaming bearspray Cold Steel, bucks thru a breeze powder is blown back into your face...!
This stuff expands and sticks to anything it touches...!
@@mtman2 305gr hardcast... goes through anything it touches.
@@CplSkiUSMC
lol...right tho seems these video's only talk about the old fashion powder stuff which really is ineffective in a stiff breeze;
*So I keep pointing out the far better alternative...
However hard cast goes thru anything- "only IF you hit it"
@@mtman2 Right... so don't miss!
This is by far the most comprehensive video on bear deterrent and has bolstered my confidence in bear spray. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to watch!
You should carry both if you're in grizzly bear country its a fact, that's
the age-old
" Id rather have it and not need it, then need it, and not have it"
situation.
I was asked many years ago to be a shooter for protecting scientists from wild game in Alaska and more,so the scientists can take a core samples and other types samples so on, so forth.
The first thing you try to do, is dissuade the bear from trying to attack the people, AKA scare the bear off by warning shot, helicopter fly by, bear spray, yelling.
if that doesn't work, you use Force.
(So bear spray would definitely be something you should bring always) always bring spray, but if that doesn't work then sometimes you need Force.
If you're still not going to bring a gun with you then bring a couple bottles of actual bear spray and hopefully thats enough to get away.
I bet bear spray would work on a cougar as well FYI tho iv never heard if anyone has triedit or not, there is alot of them around here too. I'm glad you said that because a 12 gauge is my first option, and my grandfather made me fall in love with 300 Winchester magnum.tho typically i carry a hand daily if im further out away i have my 12 typically.
Excellent advice. I would add, make sure you're proficient with your defense systems, otherwise they're just a security blanket.
@HomeInWildSpaces yeah exactly,
that was a big thing that I said about a self-defense weapons as well or Home Defense weapon,
the weapon isn't really as important as making sure you can use it efficiently and effectively useing it.
That you are comfortable and confident with it.
A hunting rifle is probably not a great Home Defense tool, but if you were to use it properly, you could mitigate bad accident and other people being hurt, by using self defense rounds, lower velocity rounds, or ones specifically for expansion not penitration for self defense.
Really appreciate your efforts to provide accurate information regarding bear attack deterrance. There are black bears where I live, but I have more concern about a mountain lion attack, so I carry bear spray when I'm out in the boonies. The lions seem to be losing their fear of humans. Your advice regarding practice with the spray cannisters is excellent! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! That's the great thing about bear spray. It's really not just for bears. It works quite well on mountain lions too.
Most comprehensive and valuable information I have seen on the subject. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and offer your feedback! Your engagement makes it all the more likely that internet algorithms with continue to share this video with other people. Thanks for being part of the solution!
I really like your narration. I hope you talk more about animals in future videos. Thanks for speaking facts
Thanks for watching! I will be talking more about animals in the future. I'm planning to make a video on Colorado recently releasing wolves. They've been missing on the landscape for close to a century, and for the first time a State wildlife agency has brought them back.
Looking forward to discussing this and more.
Thank You!! Thank You!! Thank You!!!!
Your video has been the MOST informative of all that I have watched regarding this issue!!!!
There is no way I'm going to end up being pepper flavored bear scat
"The Truth About Guns" (2018) and pistolwizard (2023) have excellent articles on this subject.
What are your credentials? What makes your opinion different than any others on line?
exactly
You have to watch the video to find out.
I have only ever seen bears, and have not worried much about it. On a couple of occasions I found animal tracks outside the tent in the morning and wondered what happened a meter away from my head while I was snoring. Actually those experiences have left me wondering about the purpose of sleeping under a thin sheet of nylon. Come to think of it, I haven't camped in a tent much since then.
There is a story of a woodsman who had a grizzly as a companion, apparently raising it from a cub. One day a spoked or mad Grizzly came and killed them both. Perhaps I am off base, but I just don't see a cloud of paper spray stopping such a motivated bear. Albeit the man lived in the woods for decades before that happened, so perhaps a person can hike for lifetimes without such an encounter.
Nor can I imagine calmly getting a pistol out its holster, flipping off the safety, lining up shots, and putting little holes in a charging 800kg animal in a manner that at least one shot hits a magic spot that causes the bear to instantly drop in its tracks. Or in the panic of controlling a powerful pistol from jumping around such that more than one shot hits the animal at all. And you are right, hitting a moving target from an arbitrary position where one might find oneself, is a lot harder than hitting a stationary target. Such a thing is hard to practice. Swinging a rifle around and hitting the target seem even harder, but if accomplished more likely to drop the animal.
I guess I would aim to send the message through the snout or between the eyes, while timing the up and down bounces of the animal if any, but you mentioned people making chest shots and piercing lungs. I am impressed by the wardens who in the night were able to bring down a bear with a rifle shot (while heading to help the victims of a bear attack), but those guys were probably walking with guns raised ready.
But then again, a person could be run over while crossing the street. "Officer I sprayed the car, but it kept coming...." We aren't walking around carrying car disincentives. At some point there are things that a person can't worry about too much.
Perhaps someday we will genetically modify bears to stay away from people.
Then there is that story of the guy in Vietnam who went for a piss and was taken down by a fn tiger. Tigers charging in the night. Perhaps he should have carried tiger spray.
So...a bear spray commercial.
Not in a he slightest.
You are free to disregard or give yourself license to dismiss the information presented, but you will not find a more informed and balanced video on this topic.
Best wishes.
Very good video. Thank you. I've hunted in grizzly country in AK and BC and thankfully never had a problem, but I share the notion the best way to go is to carry both-the most powerful firearm that you can shoot accurately and bear spray. I've even thought that carrying a compact back-up pistol with hard cast bullets might not be too bad of an idea since in a fair number of reported bear attacks the bear slams into the person and knocks the guy's pistol out of reach and the mauling begins. For me, it would be nice to have both tools or even better- the three tools. Of course, I get it, people want to cut weight that they are carrying or humping long distances in a backpack while hunting or hiking, but all things considered, life saving equipment in bear country should not be discounted.
Why does the guy in the red hat remove the rifle from his shoulder every time he chambers a round? If rehearsing for bear attack, he'll want to learn to work the bolt or lever while keeping the rifle shouldered. Also: great video and thorough, realistic treatment of the subject.
Dual wield?
I carry bear spray, a handgun, and my trusted Benelli M4 loaded with brenneke black magic slugs.
Thankfully my bear spray has been the only thing I have had to use but I am always ready for that day the bear spray does not work.
I carry both but wyoming is super windy especially up high on the mountains. Wind and terrain determine which I will use first. I must be either scary looking or ugly cause grizz have always ran from me. I know statically I'm past due for a charge so I train accordingly and stay very alert. I know someday there will be one that runs at me instead of away.
ever considered making a video on timothy treadwell and what could be learned from his mistakes
or do you think that everything that needed to be said has been said?
Honestly I don't think it really matters. The bleeding hearts will continue to bleed and cry foul, the willfully ignorant will continue being so, and the people who need that message the most are going to ignore it
It's in the works. Stay tuned.
The recent Banff attack where the couple and dog died with empty cans of bear spray refute many of your points. A firearm of sufficient caliber is your best bet of protection in the outdoors although it's still not a guarantee of safety.
The information presented here is 100% consistent with the attack in Banff. Fire more details I invite you to watch my analysis of that attack. It’s quickly becoming the most misunderstood bear attack in history.
Strange fatal grizzly attack Banff National Park | Life-saving lessons #wildspaces #banff #attack
ua-cam.com/video/p7rgHvIIc_c/v-deo.html
@@HomeInWildSpaces Good thing firearms at close range against bears are not affected by wind or altitude, both of which can affect bear spray cans.
PS: This is not the first time bear victims have had their remains found with empty cans of bear spray, in other words, they used the spray and still got mauled.
Absolutely right! Here's my own post which I put up prior to seeing yours: THIS VIDEO IS THE WORST FORM OF MISINFORMATION ON UA-cam! Worse than that, the narrator purports to be chastising people for "misinformation" with his "false dichotomy" statement. He begins by pointing out that bear spray has a "90% effective!" success rate. Well, that's UTTERLY MISLEADING! Here's why: Someone who possesses bear spray is far far more likely to use it on a "merely curious" grizzly. When hit with bear spray, a merely curious bear is likely to be deterred. If you use bear spray on a merely curious bear and it flees--no harm, no foul. With this in mind, people are likely to deploy bear spray in any given situation, knowing that no bear is going to die in the encounter. ON THE OTHER HAND, a man armed with a firearm KNOWS that if he discharges that firearm into a bear, then he is going to have some very serious answers to provide to law enforcement (and to others). Indeed, we are taught that firearms are a lethal "last resort," and not simply a go-away-bear device. THEREFORE, the man with the gun is far far more likely to NOT use his gun on a "merely curious" bear, but only on those bears which demonstrate that they are angry, charging, or otherwise seriously intending to inflict harm! THEREFORE, in any given situation, when a truly angry bear is hit--either by bear spray or by a firearm--it is more likely to continue its attack, oftentimes successfully. In the end, we are left with reports of 90% success rate using bear spray on both curious and angry bears, but an often lower success rate using firearms on those "almost-always angry" bears. THE VIDEO'S COMPARISION IS ABSURD, and it shows that these so-called "experts" are ignorant to the extreme.
@@HomeInWildSpaces Sir, I once worked in Yellowstone and had an access key to EVERY SINGLE GATE IN THE PARK. I am also a Canadian who has spent many years in Banff myself, as recently as December. YOU SIR, ARE UTTERLY IGNORANT and DANGEROUS.
Expertise is not a function of proximity, nor osmosis. It comes through disciplined, quality and open-minded analysis and study, as well as years of deep, relevant experience. Holding keys to gates, unfortunately does not qualify.
If what you say is true (regarding your work history), I cannot account for your antagonism toward bear spray. People who are informed on the topic know the value of bear spray. It's not a guarantee, but it is very effective.
Fortunately, your criticisms are thoroughly addressed in this and my other bear safety videos for anyone who is interested and open to the facts.
Best wishes!
There are times when bear spray is not very effective. Bear sprays are considered a pesticide by the U.S. government and must be registered with the EPA. In doing so, the government requires that bear spray can contain no more than 1 - 2% O.C. ( oleoresin capsicum) which is a natural oil found in plants, including cayenne peppers and chillies. The ingredient that causes the burning sensation. This makes bear spray relatively weak. Compare 2% bear spray to a good pepper spray. Those can be as strong as 23% O.C. and some even stronger.
Unfortunately, most pepper sprays typically only shoot about 6-12 feet. Some more, some less. A grizzly can travel 12 feet in less than a second at full charge. Bear spray is made to shoot about 25-30 feet and usually in a large fog pattern. Pepper spray's lack the distance for bear IMO. If you get a chance to have a look at a container of bear spray check the label. You'll see it contains no more than 2% O.C
Another problem with bear spray is when it's windy. The spray may not go where you're intending it to go. Especially if the wind is blowing directly at or even in the direction of the person using the bear spray. If the wind blows the spray at you it can end up burning the eyes and throat of the person trying to defend against the bear, which may temporarily disable the person. That could make it very hard to open your eyes or breathe and to see the bear and defend yourself. Not a good thing if a dangerous bear is coming at you.
Bear spray is under pressure and sometimes does not work well at elevations over 7000 feet. Bear spray *does* seem to work against bears that are just curious or maybe only giving a false charge. Bear spray does *not* work as well against a bear that is guarding a kill, especially if you unknowingly get between the bear and it's food source, or if a mother bear feels that you're a threat to her cubs, even if you're not close to the cubs, or if you accidentally happen to surprise a bear. Especially a sleeping bear.
I know there are people that for whatever reason are not comfortable with firearms or maybe don't feel very proficient with one. If that's you and there's no way you see yourself carrying a firearm then absolutely carry bear spray. It won't always work in every situation, but it is better than not having anything.
I have friends in Alaska. They tell me that most people (residents) don't bother with bear spray, preferring to carry a rifle, shotgun with slugs, or a large caliber handgun with heavy, hard-cast bullets.
A good option in bear country would be to carry both a firearm and bear spray. If you carry a firearm practice with it. A lot. Make noise when you hike. Most bears will turn and leave when they hear people. Oh, and don't hike alone.
Yeah, there's the issue w the expiration date. When the spray is kept behind the counter... Anyhow bought it last year, it's expired now. Very expensive considering I've not entered the woods yet.
I’m guessing that those cases where a long gun failed to deter a bear attack in time are cases where the gun owner was using a bolt action rifle or pump action shotgun, or when the user hesitated too long.
There are a great many reasons why long guns sometimes fail. And they also work at times. Just a lot of variables. Bolt actions can be effective, as can shotguns, but they wouldn't be my first, second, third, forth or fifth choice.
There are better options. Though a 12 gauge with a slug can be very effective in the right hands.
i also would like to hear your take on using blow horns and other very loud alarms deterrents as compared to and in addition to bear spray.
Bear horns can work. But I would not forego bear spray or (if you are proficient) an appropriate firearm.
It’s easy to spray on a stationary object that’s not trying to rip your head off
Why would a bear be forced to do that or appeared/sound like they are?
Same thing applies to shooting.
Easier than trying to shoot it
A silly remark, as spray diffuses with distance, meaning it forms a cloud. A bear's sense of smell is much more acute than a human's. Therefore, it's an effective deterrent. Are you saying that aiming a firearm to hit a moving target with precision is easier?! Lol 😆 Any rounds you get off would have to hit the charging bear right in the mouth, snout or forehead, and penetrate to be effective.
@@geoffreyeble32 depends on the caliber and distance surprise commitment of bear , accuracy Id rather use spray if I can. But always carry 45 70 will kill with one shot. If you can hit it. Right.
2:33 in and I'm hooked. TY for addressing the rivalry issue. Black and white thinking is at the root of many on line arguments. I carry both.
Thank you for this very informative video. Much appreciated. Learned a lot.
It sounds like its best to have every possible option you can carry with you.
Makes sense to me.
Lived,hunted, fished and camped in bear country for 50 years. I will not go into bear, lion or moose country unarmed, spray or no spray. Their are evil humans out there, too.
In applying bear spray on bear do you give a short burst so it gets a taste of the irritant or do you just run what you got lat it all fly
Great question. I'm going to cover this in my Bear Attack ABCs video. Hoping to have that video out in the next couple months before denning season is over. Stay tuned.
You try to build a wall( a barrier) for the bear to go through. When effected by the fog of spray, the bear should discontinue his attack. You should continue spraying the bear until he leaves.
I have been arguing this exact assessment for many years. I grew up, hunted and guided in grizzly bear country. I feel I am more than proficient with a handgun but still carry bear spray as my first option. My main point I make to the handgun only proponents is simply this, the only way to stop a charging bear is to break it down, brain, spine, both shoulders etc. On a charging bear the most applicable are brain and spine, target sizes ranging from an apple to a softball which is fairly easy to hit at the range but not when the target is bouncing toward you at 15-30 mph and your system is charged with adrenaline.
Thank you for putting this info and video together.
I think you brought up an interesting point and I was wondering. If a bear is charging at you and you have both bear spray and a gun, You got 10 seconds to decide what to use. How do you deicide what to use. If you have the opportunity to see the bear’s temperament at the time, you could …. IDK. Hope you never need to make that decision.
There are far too many instances of bear spray being deployed and not stopping the bear, also firearm defense has 97% success in bear attacks even with middling calibers
I have read several reports stating anywhere between 90 & 97% efficiency for bear spray in repelling bears. Where do you get your information?
This was a great presentation. I don’t live in bear country but have often said I wouldn’t be caught in bear country without a powerful firearm. Now I know I shouldn’t be alone and also need the bear spray.
If you are proficient, definitely carry and know how and when to use both. Thanks for watching!
Your videos are fantastic! The ones I've watched so far anyway. I do have one comment on his one however. You mentioned, something to the effect, that stepping backwards when a bear is advancing (besides risking a fall) may show the bear that you are weak. I am aware one should hold their ground in a non-defensive encounter, but my understanding is that in the case of a defensive encounter, stepping backward can signal to the bear that you are not a threat, for instance with a mother grizzly in defence of cubs, where you need to do whatever it takes to show her that you are not a threat,.
Again, I want to thank you for this video. I agree with all that you have said and have learned much. You see, you can teach old dogs and men new things. Love your show, keep making them.
You are so welcome! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and most especially for offering your feedback! I hope you'll also consider sharing this video and help get the message out.
Thanks again! Much more to come!
Just for the record I carried bear spray then an incident in Zion caused me to also carry, then just carry , now I’m tossing back in bear spray cause of your conversation! Bears & mountain lion encounters continue to happen at night while sleeping in my tent
More anti-gun. Too much bad info in this video which could get someone killed. Just responding to one claim "There is no reason to not carry both". Of course there is. 1) In a charge you won't have time to use both 2) trying to be prolific on two systems is harder than trying to be prolific in one 3) the potential lost time while trying to decide which to use during a charge could be fatal. 4) trying to be proficient in two systems, leaves you less proficient at both compared to specific training in one. I'll stop there.
Would you ever trust a mechanic who said, "I'm really good with screwdrivers so I don't use wrenches"? I expect not.
But, I understand your point(s), and I appreciate that you have taken the time to voice your feedback. While there is crossover, the fact is that bear spray and the right firearm in the right hands, do not occupy the exact same defensive niche. More than that, bear spray is far easier to master and use successfully.
It's because of that ease of use and effectiveness that there's no good reason to not carry and know how to use bear spray. The time it takes to master bear spray in no way detracts from the time needed to master using an appropriate gun.
As far as knowing which to choose and when. I covered that in this and the follow up video. It's not that complicated. If a person is waffling between options at the time of a charge, all that means is they were not prepared. It's not a compelling argument for not being proficient with both.
Much appreciate the feedback. Best wishes!
@@HomeInWildSpacesScrewdrivers and wrenches?!? What the heck are you talking about?
@@HomeInWildSpacesThat comparation made no sense
So bear spray for sure. I spend a great deal of time in grizzly country in all seasons solo. I have difficulty being social, so solo. When I dirt bike I carry bear spray. When I hike or bike outside national park I carry 44 mag mare's leg in a quick draw vorn pack, bear spray and clip point straight blade belt knife. I also play music on a small speaker while I'm in close bush to make some noise. Most of these precautions are phychological and there to allow me to relax. Keep your eyes open and don't wear ear buds or headphones. I have practiced drawing and firing this gun, a type that you didn't mention. A Chiappa Scorpio, 5 rounds, lever action. I should do some practice as you say. I have loaded and unloaded this gun for a few years now without discharging a round. Thanks for the video. Good effort.
I live in bear country. I carry bear spray, but fear it may not be enough, or if you're on a multi day trip and end up using it, now you're screwed.
Guns are not allowed in National Parks, but I feel like this would be for ONLY if you are being attacked. Spray first, and do what you can. But if that doesn't do, then maybe a gun might be needed
You carry with an empty chamber, and cite numerous statistics regarding failures in manipulating weapons under stress. Even the fact that flipping off the safety lever is forgotten under stress… Misfeeds occur during chambering, sir. That preparation failure could quickly render your weapon useless.
You’re also not seating your stocks into your shoulder. Your grip requires adjustment after each shot. It’s abundantly evident you haven’t undergone extensive firearms training… That aside, bear spray use could save one legal trouble; an attacking bear is likely expecting to endure blunt force trauma, but is not expecting to get a face full of bear spray.
If you’re uncomfortable carrying a semi auto chambered, consider a revolver. Carrying on an empty chamber with a revolver does not change its firing procedure. It also doesn’t have issues returning to battery when firing limp-wristed, or when pressed against a surface like it could be when wrestling. This advice is intended to help you. Thanks for the channel.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll covering carrying with or without one in the chamber in future videos.
I think you'll also notice that I do not adjust my grip in every clip. In many cases, the gun I was firing was not my standard gun, and I am not at all ashamed of readjusting my grip during practice.
You comment about the stock not being consistently seated is a valid point. I would add that I was using long guns in a manner for which they are not intended (close quarters defense). The simulation was intended to fire rapidly, and naturally my form suffered. This is something that can be improved, with practice, but again I would encourage you to consider the context.
Make sure stay tuned. More to come.
You stated the in many cases the safety was engaged and the shooter could not take the safety off. Anyone that is too stupid to operate a safety switch is not going to be competent to kill a bear with a gun anyway.
It's not a matter of stupidity, it's a matter of much practice. Fine motor skills disappear.
@@alexk3088 so do you train to learn how to turn the light switch on and off? Do you train to learn how to turn the key in your door? Do you train to learn how to flip the switch on the toilet to flush it? You've been watching too many cop training videos and too many tactitard training videos. Using your brain is very effective.
@@Mike-xi4zt ah, yes, tell me you've never been in a high stress situation without telling me you've never been in a high stress situation :)
@@alexk3088 I married a female that I later discovered was someone with borderline personality disorder and was a covert narcissist. That was enough stressful situations to last 10 lifetimes. I have been successful on 2 bear hunts. No stress seeing and shooting a bear compared to what a crazy female can do armed with a lawyer and a liberal judge.
14:00 you realize the Smith-Herrero study includes incidents from the early 1900’s when single shot black powder firearms were still in use, right? This unfairly taints the firearm success rate. Restricting the data to defensive use of modern firearm incidents the rate increase significantly.
I discuss the limits of Smith’s and Herrero’s work, but I welcome any flaws you feel I missed.
The also assess modern incidents. Smith and his students have currently catalogued more than 1,000 attacks. Far more than those published in the papers published in the early 2000s.
@@HomeInWildSpaces "The Truth About Guns" (2018) and pistolwizard (2023) have excellent articles on this subject.
9:03 whew, so thankful these are epa approved.
Fractions of a second matter when you get charged in thick brush at close range, and nothing stops a animal like a chunk of lead through its heart or brain.
Nice, bsing video... In a few syntaxes. If bear is angry or hungry for any reason at all, spray won't work. A wind also may play tricks on you, and you will spray yourself, instead of bear... Bullet can handle the wind... Also check your expiration day on the spray, because if it is after, and you meet a bear, it's probably your expiration date too... =D Gun, well, as long as you have the right ammo and you know what you are doing, you can put down Grizly with .22 LR, but only if you are a proffecional. Otherwhise have at least 10mm handgun with solit ammo (steel wad ammo, not a hollow point or round nose fmj leed). 9mm will work to, as long as it's right ammo and you are know what you are doing. Try to find bear proof jacket... =D In addition, ask your friendly FFA agent if you can carry a bear spray on the flight, when traveling to a bear country... And when arrive, try to find a bear spray in the store, if you are lucky for how much?... It's simpler to fly with a gun in correctly setup case and if you lawfully set it up, there should be no issues on the plane and buy ammos in a bear country, could be cheaper and more available than spray.... Remember, ammo don't expire, unless you used them...
Is it true during a bear attack, you can stick your arm into the bear's mouth and it causes a gag reaction therefore, it may deter the attack momentarily? also, can you use bear spray on mountain lions ? I hike and am concerned about running into one
If applicabble and lawful carry both and well trained
90% of bear attacks deal with sow with cubs or older emaciated bears.
Also sudden unexpected encounters or unleashed dogs.
Rarely do bears "hunt* hunans.
It's usually a protective mode.
Or emaciated due to age or poor habitat.
Do you have a video on what you should do if you are unable to deploy spray vs black bears?
I'll discuss that in my upcoming video "Bear Attack ABCs".
29:46, in the Svalbard-archipelago, the governor demands that you are armed and prepared for polar bear encounters. They advice on no less than a .44 if you want to bring a hand gun, but they recommend rifles or semi or pump shotguns. Old mausers are quite common. I do not appreciate them in a defensive role due to the reloading time. Powerful 30-06, but too slow if not the first bullet is good... I prefer semi-auto shotguns with slugs.
Most handguns are essentially semiautomic, while many hunting long guns are built action, and low capacity or difficult to reload under stress like a shotgun. Whereas if someone had the right gun for this job like a magazine fed semiautomatic rifle in a reasonable caliber for this situation, e.g., .308, 458 socom, etc. Or a magazine fed semiautomatic shotgun (e.g., saiga, or fostech), then I think the chances of success would be much greater assuming the shooter is trained at all.
Thank you for your time and effort involved in making these videos, it’s refreshing to see fact based information as well as a grounded approach to reality. I always carry both, and could not agree more that effective practice with both is mandatory.
I appreciate that! For years, I've been reviewing the internet's information on bear attacks and bear safety and have sort of been perpetually frustrated with all the nonsense out there.
As time has gone on, and I've encountered more bears and written more on bear attacks and bear safety, it become clear that I needed to put some solid audio-visual resources together. It's taken a while, but I'm hopeful that my videos will help clear up some of the dangerous nonsense and help both people and bears.
Much more to come! I hope you'll consider sharing this and my other bear safety videos. The information can't help people unless they have access to it. Thanks again!
Always carry a firearm in the wilderness. If you can't, use an air horn over bear spray, they hate the loud noise.
a bear bell works
One must prepare in the wild because one can encounter wild animal anytime. People got killed by wild animal because they were not prepared, thinking they will never get attack by wild animal.
you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. BOTH should be carried if you’re gonna explore known ‘bear country’. Find another way to spew Anti gun propaganda.
You are welcome to explain what portion of this video you consider “anti-gun”.
I’m not an expert and have zero Bear defense experience. However I have worked many years in the Prison System where we use chemical agents of all types. They are usually effective but there are many people who continue to assault, fight, or resist even after being sprayed head to toe. I’m trying to imagine a more ferocious, adrenaline fueled monster stopping to pepper spray and it is hard for me to imagine if it had a desperate reason to attack (hunger, protection, fear, etc….) I’m not an expert though so… yeah.
Keep in mind if you or another person in the area has asthma bear spray could be fatal. Most petted to forget this but this has the potential to be a HIGE problem. Also bear spray can not be transported by aircraft.
Why is this guy the only guy who uses common sense when it comes to this topic? I'm a Texas native who recently moved to Alaska. I'm a blank slate when it comes to this topic so when I moved I asked as many people as I could about what precautions I should take in bear country. I asked everyone from hunting guides, lifelong native Alaskans, the biologist who works for the base, REI employees, and taxidermist. I never asked if I should carry a gun or bear spray because I didn't want to influence how they answered. Personally the way I see it I always carry a gun when I'm hiking/hunting/camping anyways so as far as the gun side of things go it was only a matter of getting somethings more appropriate for bears, and carrying a can of bear spray isn't hard to do so I don't see any reason not to carry even if you don't expect to use it. As I asked around I was surprised by how many people see it as a one or the other question. I didn't grow up around guns so when I did start getting into shooting it kinda helped me see through a lot of the BS that gun owners parrot without questioning the logic behind the claims. I see so much of the same type of nonsense passed around when talking about guns for bear defense. It focuses so much on the gun/caliber but totally disregards individual skill, confidence, etc.
I've been in Alaska about six months now and I've read and watched so much content on guns and spray and I can't say my research has helped me feel any more prepared than before I moved here. This video and your other ones on this subject are absolutely phenomenal. Hands down the best content about dealing with bears. Fantastic work. Keep it going!
What I dread most about the outdoors in America is that we’re not allowed to stop carry in national parks which basically make you a walking chew toy for any animal
This video is the most solid, responsible, well studied PSA on the subject of Bear and Human encounters, and the responsibility of knowing the limitations of your chosen method of defense against a bear attack/encounter. Starting with knowing our limitations/skill level.
Just a couple of things to consider here. If bear spray has about a 30 foot range, how long does it take a charging bear to close that distance on you? Can it even stop?. There are several videos on youtube showing bears beginning to race at people from long distances, if that was the scenario, I'd much rather have an option to start defending myself at 100yds, 50 yds, 25 yards. Don't get me wrong I believe bear spray has its uses in certain scenarios, but in others it does not remotely give the options a suitable firearm can.
Anyone who shoots at a bear “defensively” at ranges of 20+ yards needs to stay out of the backcountry.
Warning shots at that range are fine, but shooting with the intent to kill or wound an animal at the ranges you have described demonstrates a remarkable lack of understanding regarding bears and bear safety.
Bears can stop on a dime, and have been repeatedly stopped on a dime by the successful use of bear spray.
Guns are a tools, but they become a liability in the hands of someone who is not sufficiently proficient in the operation of their firearm AND their responsible use in the backcountry.
The same goes for bear spray. They are tools, with proper and improper uses. Period.
@@HomeInWildSpaces I was not advising that you should shoot a bear at long distance out of hand, but have seen videos of situations where leaving it until the bear was 60 feet way would be utterly ridiculous. I would start with warning shots, they have been effective for me with mountain lions, but again have seen, where warning shots have not deterred bears. I do not have a desire to unnecessarily kill a bear, but honestly if you insist to take no action against a bear running that will take effect until it gets with in 30 feet, you can have no credibility at all. In that distance may be the bear can stop, but there is also a response time to the pepper spray to factor in. At 30 mph the bear is covering 44 feet per second, in a serious meaningful attack, I don't see how in less than a second the spray will stop the bear making contact at which point the pain induced will just be interpreted as it's victim fighting back. Conversely there are documented attacks where a firearm has been able to end an attack when the bear is actually on top of the person. I would suggest you watch some other bear interactions here on UA-cam and even some of the African game videos, with charging male lions, cape buffalo, elephants etc. to broaden your knowledge, to me you see things with a tunnel vision that doesn't allow you to consider all the scenarios that can occur in the real world.
I have watched the videos and read the accounts you suggest. I don't deny the effectiveness or the occasional necessity of firearms in capable and responsible hands. That is not and never was in dispute.
Nor did I "insist on [taking] no action against a bear...until it gets within thirty feet" as you have suggested. I again reiterate that I deal in substance. Straw-man misrepresentations are not substantive.
You are welcome to watch my bear safety videos. The information is all there if you are willing to receive it.
Thanks again
@@HomeInWildSpaces You certainly did insist no action should be taken within 20 yards and followed that with arrogantly stating that anyone doing so had no place in the back country and knew nothing about bears. At 20 yards you have 1.37 seconds of time, assuming it's a relatively slow bear at 30mph, to react and for your bear spray to take full effect. You contradict yourself and go in circles, whilst implying everyone, but yourself is some sort of fool for thinking something else. If you only have bear spray, how can they take any action before the bear is close to 30 feet? You should review the comments here more fully, it's important to entertain the possibility that when so many disagree with you, you just might be wrong in some areas. Ultimately, everyone gets to make their own choice based on their own conclusions and their abilities. I put my faith in a 44 magnum revolver or a 45-70 lever action rifle as the best options in an actual attack as opposed to a bear getting too close undecided on it's intentions where bear spray is certainly a viable option. Your situation might be different because as you clearly illustrated in you range videos, you haven't learned how to use a lever action rifle yet. A couple of points on technique that I find of interest is that PH's on dangerous hunts in Africa never have a sling on their double rifle, because it should never be shouldered and it eliminates the temptation to do so. I've also seen them do something that takes huge self control, but it very logical and that is to drop to take a knee as the animal charges, ensuring that they fire in line, and parallel to, the animal, ensuring it is hit as opposed to the tendency to fire over the animal as it is closing animal. One video stands out where a guy does that with a Cape Buffalo bearing down at close range, that really takes some nerve, but also something that is important in dangerous situations and that is to already have clear in your mind how to react.
Your meme use is well versed
Thanks! I thought they were appropriate.
If you get a bear charge and you. Go for the spray. And the bear. Go's though the. Bear spray then. Its to late for. Gun you are done
Honestly, i love nature and wild places, but i cant run. So im going home to stay.
No grizzly bears in my state but we do have lots of black bears and shit tons of cougars and ever since a decade and a half ago or so, wolves have naturally come back to the state from neighboring states and we know have several established wolf packs in some national forests. That being said.... If I'm hunting I'm already carrying a firearm most likely a rifle. When I'm only hiking or overnight camping I try to carry both bear mace and handgun when I can depending on weight and how much distance I'll be hiking. Bear mace at the very least. Sometimes one has to be more aware of two legged critters in the forests growing "tomatoes and lettuce" if you follow!!??
Excellent video
Thank you very much! I hope you'll consider sharing it.
😂 bear spray 😂
Interesting, i picked up Herrera's book at a used book store so most of this wasn't news but a good reminder.
A good video and I agree with your final conclusion. There are some things that are not properly represented. Keeping your firearm unloaded (empty chamber i.e. "not cocked and locked") indicates you have a lack of skill and/or lack of experience. "You often don't have time to vassilate between options". Precisely my point. Your rifle shooting technique and your statement of your experience indicates a lack of training and skill. That has nothing to do with the efficacy of bear spray but it does have an effect of the efficacy of the firearm. Yes, I believe bear spray is the better tool, for bears. A bear afraid of humans teaches other bears, win-win. Wounded bears are very, very dangerous. Yes, firearms require more skill to be effective. Yes, firearms have a greater potential of consequence if negligently discharged. I would suggest examining one statistic you overlooked. Thousands of times more people carry firearms than those carrying bear spray. Therefore, the likelihood of accidents are higher so comparing them as equally likely is a false comparison. The solution is to not only promote bear spray use but to demonstrate proper firearm use.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll discuss carrying with one in the chamber in coming videos.
Also, I really wasn't comparing the frequency of negligent discharges with either bear spray or guns. Rather I was objecting to the hosts of a UA-cam channel suggesting "inadvertent activation" was unique to bear spray. It's a slight of hand I see often where commentators try and pretend one issue or hazard is unique to one deterrent and not another.
I think you are probably right that the greater number of firearms or rather people carrying firearms makes cases of negligence with a firearm more common. I'm just trying to encourage people to respect their tools and handle them appropriately.
It seems fair to conclude that we are in near, if not total agreement. Thanks a ton for watching and sharing your thoughts! They are received with gratitude.
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The thing about bear spray. Good luck leaving a one star rating if it doesen't work😨🤣
Thanks.Im glad I saw this.I hike in Ontario and there are black bears in the woods.In this province there are bear aware infographics given to the public that say you should back away slowly and now I hear you saying that a bear expert has stated doing that signals that you are a weak target and can cause the bear to advance rather than flee.That small indescrepency in that moment could have put my life at risk.
Interesting usually the ones pushing bear spray only and no firearms are government officials that they themselves carry firearms. Do as I say not as I do!
We just had an incident here in Canada in which two experienced hikers were killed by a bear and bear spray was not effective however when law enforcement went in they were able to take the bear out with their firearms.
Thanks for watching!
If you referencing the attack in Banff, I hope you check out the analysis video I produced: Deadliest grizzly bear attack Banff National Park | Life-saving lessons #wildspaces #banff #attack
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It’s nearly identical to an attack that occurred in 2005 when a husband and wife were killed in Alaska. Except the victims in that case had a 45-70 lever action rifle.
Both are potentially very effective tools, but neither is a genie in a bottle. Sometimes the answer is more complex than gun or bear spray.
I hope you’ll check out the full video.
@HomeInWildSpaces thanks I will check out that video out. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but I do believe we should have a choice to choose for ourselves or, better yet, have the ability to have them both on our person. However, here in Canada, it is not legal for the average Canadian to carry a handgun for protection, and now it's illegal to purchase any new handguns. Rifles may be carried, however, not on provincial Parklands.
Sir,excellent coverage for American hunters,but not Canada &the residence of Dr.Herreo an advocate of banning bear hunting.
Since the 1940 s pistols have been banned in Canada,regardless of National Parks.Dr.Herreo is for Canada without saying that,Tom Smith accurate.
Your advice is accurate after minimal grizzly experience&significant black bear by bow&gun.
The ideal as emphasized,practice with both options where legal to be able to use either as almost asleep or just waking up.😢
On most camping sites they tell you no dogs because of bears 🐻
What if it was exposed to extreme colds? Not using it in the cold, but it was in the cold... like in my car during winter, and its now summer
What about expired bear mace? Does it really matter if its expired? And i feel like waiting till the bear is close is wiser when spraying am I right?
Honestly if lived in a place that had Brown or Polar bears. I wouldn't go anywhere without a 500 Smith & Wesson magnum emergency survival revolver. No way I'm trusting my life on the reliance of bear spray.
Yeah, I'll take,a Super Redhawk.
I can’t help but wonder what would the man and woman with the dog had gave to have had a large caliber hand gun the night they were torn apart by a grizzly