Parks should designate "No Karens Zone" for drones to take off and land. The biggest thing, I think, about drone restrictions is fear of "aggressive" activities. They have created skate parks to get the kids off the sidewalks (mostly) and give them a place to play. Not much effort to designate a small portion of a parking lot or field as "drone zones."
Exactly. I remember when my town started designing and building the first couple of skateparks. It was so nice and less stressful knowing you wouldn’t get harassed for just skating. People are going to fly regardless of any set of rules, so you might as well give them space to do it.
The biggest fear is that there are a lot of idiots in the human race. Idiots who will take a drone and do unbelievable things with them for likes and views. Just look at what these idiots do with motorcycles and automobiles simply for content. People die. People need to be regulated.
My favorite example of this is a UK UA-camr who got some great footage of Stonehenge. He waited until after hours, so there were no people there, took off from outside their property, and flew over. But, then, I just saw some drone footage of Maiden Castle (despite the name, it's a hillfort; nothing but a hill with piles of dirt), and I'm pretty sure they were on the property there. Both Stonehenge and Maiden Castle are property of English Heritage, which like the US NPS, bans all drone operations on their lands, even when the site is just a pile of dirt.
I had the same situation except with campus PD. I was parked on their property while flying over an adjacent golf course COMPLETELY out of everyones way by an old landscaping shed, I mean you had to look for me to find me. The Douche Canoe in security golf cart circled me mad dogging and eventually called the Sgt. on me. The SGT was cool, but I said to him “you know I can just park across the street and fly this whole area right?” He didn’t like that very much. Long story short, I now dedicate one battery EVERY-TIME I fly just to that Douche. I cruise out, find him circling in his little campus cart, and hit him with the spot light for about 20 seconds, wag my props, then fly away. This was several months ago and I have given him about 10 visits since then. Its spiteful, and petty, but it makes me feel GOOD!
It's good to see law abiding citizens fly their drones legally... But it seems like taking off inside the park would be much safer. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
It is safer, but local municipalities can't regulate the airspace. Only the ground. Even official no drone zones can only regulate takeoffs and landings according to the FAA. TFRs are an example of the FAA restricting the airspace over the area.
According to the linked ordinance, The park does not restrict take off, only landing is prohibited. Nor is there any specific restriction on operating the drone from within park property ... The key concept is that the FAA opinion that states/localities can control specific aspects of drone use, including take off and landing. Since most drone pilots are ground-based, the state can control where the pilot operates. Tennessee has no state laws wrt drones as of Jan 2024, so only local ordinance or facility policy would be of concern. The limit in this specific park is on aviation in general, and it is a prohibition on intentional landings. Either the Sargeant is unfamiliar with the ordinance, or he is a drone genius who understands that some drones will automatically return to the take off point on loss of signal (which would constitute an unauthorized intentional landing per the ordinance). Not betting my money either way ...
Impish rules require knights of exploration and sometimes an impish response as a counter. Which is, both entertaining and hopefully highly effective. For me, Keith is now dubbed the "Peace maker" as a sign of obstinate respect. Great health to you and especially Keith.
In a true democracy, you might find that the majority of citizens would vote against your drones buzzing around their public parks. My hobby is surfing, but I respect the areas that are swimming only. Drone enthusiasts seem to think they own all rights to the sky and that any regulation is the government taking away the peoples rights.
@@Zero.0ne.Very true that there's likely a lot of people who would rather we just go away, same as surfers, skateboarders, or street musicians. However, those groups all have safe places to play, we do not. The areas that we have that have historically been safe are being taken away piecemeal. My metro area is 2.5M people. There is exactly one semi-public place to fly and it wasn't approved as a FRIA, so even that's gone soon.
2 sheriff deputies came to our house to inform us that the neighbor farmer did not want us flying our mini over his property. I stated that it was federally controlled airspace not his airspace & they said they knew that & that they would not be back. That same farmer has legally hired large agricultural spray aircraft that fly over our property dripping spray chemicals on everything & there is nothing we can do, nor do we complain.
This was one of your best videos! Great footage, and a great way to make a point! After a series of run-ins with my local PD (some respectful, some not) and when education failed, and I got the Village board to to personally explain the drone laws to the PD. The Board came around after furnishing them with the FAA and DHS memorandums and with the assistance of AOPA. After that I went thru 5 EVO II Pro batteries flying over the Police Headquarters and their radio tower getting great footage and desensitizing the officers and their office workers to drones. Almost 3 years and we're all back to being friends.
This was a great video, funny video. You two guys work so well together. I'm all about saftey and it is ridiculous that you are put in jeopardy because they don't want you to take off or land in a safe place. You are still able to fly and see the whole park anyway, so what is the sense of making you have to fly from an unsafe area? What is the difference of cameras all over in the park, which I'm sure the park has then a drone flying around? They both are recording footage of everthing. Yes. You as the one to keep your eyes on the drone in the area as Keith was doing is probably. I have been the spotter my self and you would be amazed at how you keep it insight. Keith is a professional drone pilot for many years now and does know how to keep the drone insight.
whenever i fly FPV 😅 stay the heck in my car and launch from roof with locked doors and mirrored glas. if there is a ultra karen actually see the quad land and come running i jump out the car, look around confused and grab the drone saying i gonna steal it to teach that rude pilot a lesson. their faces are priceless 😅
Can you launch the drone from your car (drone on top of car). Fly it while someone else drives to park, fly it while in the car in the park, and then when you leave, drive out of the park and fly drone back to car?
It would depend on the laws of that state or city. Some say aircraft can not take of or land while others say you can't take off, land or operate an aircraft from the park property.
I’m starting to feel like Ken can get away with a lot. Some people are just so friendly that they get away with stuff. Like the car. Jeremy Dewitte can’t but Ken can. That’s the power of Ken! 😂
Well Dewitte was pulling people over / stopping people / etc. Parking on the side of the road and having flashing yellow and white lights is ... uh ... less problematic ;).
Glad to see you went out and did the right thing. Looking for the cops and finding them would of been a great accomplishment, maybe next time. You two like living on the edge.
Hey Ken. Your friendly Cop is more concerned about flying , or taking off and landing, in the Park. Did he stop the driver leaving the burn outs ( @ 2:51) which is a safety hazard to the public, or was that you at night leaving your mark just to piss him off.
Maybe if a bunch of people regularly launched drones from that spot regularly enough to be an irritatation, legislation would be changed to allowed taking off in the park. Unfortunately it would likely end up in legislation stopping drones from taking off and landing anywhere
Cop was doing his job putting you on the side of a busy Highway with traffic passing within 10 feet of you! Not one cop telling you that being on the side of the highway is unsafe is unreal!🤪
Here in Phoenix,AZ the city was kind enough to allow radio controlled vehicles only in certain parks/reserves and prohibited in all other parks/reserves.
The only person who should be approaching a pilot is a FAA rep or a Federal Air Marshal. Id argue anyone else isn't educated enough to be able to accurately and fairly enforce FAA law.
I love the advocacy Ken and his group do for the Drone community. Pushing the boundaries and keeping our rights is always a good thing. However this seems like it may have gone too far. Without going to my the site myself and checking it, I can't be 100% certain, but it certainly does seem nearly impossible to maintain VLOS.
You gotta take off outside the park, walk into the park, point and laugh at the officers, orbiting your drone around them, then land outside the park, and leave. lol
So let me get this right. You have no problem with a 13-year-old kid with a drone flying at an airport and then the drone getting sucked into a jet engine and crashing the plane and killing hundreds of people. You're responses, laws are dumb based on fear and not safety, correct?
ke4uyp your example hasn't happened ever. Drones aren't allow near airports. I'd they are, they ground all planes. Fear of the 'what if' with drones is the problem. Even though the USA has half of all firearms in the world, we worry about drones.
@@shadowofchaos8932 what's wrong with worrying about both and you are wrong. There has been many reported results of drone operators at airports flying drones dangerously closed to airlines. Some have actually struck the airlines and caused hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage. Just Google illegal drone flights at airports.
@@shadowofchaos8932 It only takes one idiot that doesn't abide by the rules for that to happen. And believe you, me in this country. There are plenty of idiots.
Those wires between the light poles in the swimming pool are is where I was flying an an abandoned parking lot. I looked up and saw what I thought I had hit a buzzard. I looked down at my iPad Mini and saw nothing but asphalt. I smacked right into the wire. Luckily I had State Farm Drone Insurance and they paid for it. Actually DJI gave me a brand new drone. What customer service.
Most likely not. A lot of the codes that parks put into place have a "launch, land, and operation" provision built-in that prevents you from launching/landing as well as operating drones. Which they're allowed to do unfortunately because it doesn't dictate the airspace. Just where you operate the drone -- which regulates you, not your drone.
@@KenHeron Karen? So you can't come up with a counterpoint and resort to name-calling with a tired old insult you think is still trending? 😂 I don't care what you call me as you clearly don't know me. I do care about laws and the industry. You should know that "Karens" are the very ones this type of piloting-to-prove-a-point behavior gives more fuel to for their fires. Noisy "Karens then push lawmakers to make more laws to make it more difficult to fly and in more and more restricted areas. Morons who look for fights like these guys are the ones that are making it more and more difficult to enjoy the hobby/job. I highly doubt that UAV is under 250 grams, and I SERIOUSLY doubt the spotter maintained VLOS the entire time from that distance with those obstacles.
@@KenHeron you're speaking like one more concerned about social media presence and getting clicks than you are following FAA regulations. You're not educating anyone with this content. You ARE encouraging people to be jackasses with drones. Call me all the names you want. You're only showing your lack of articulation while reinforcing my observations of your character. I expect nothing less from someone who ACTUALLY drives a fake police car. 😂😂
Me, watching: Hey, is that Wave Country? Gee, it sure looks like it...nah, that could be anywhere. But it sure looks like...HEY, it IS Wave Country! And the greenway tunnel, hell yeah! Hello from Nashville, and thanks for the fun, informative video.
Wow! That is some great eyesite! That's like seeing a sparrow at 300 yards. And to see it go through the tunnel! Wish my eyesite was still that good. Anyway it was very interesting to watch and learn some rules. I just started flying a drone, and the info was helpful.
Ahhh Ken great video and point made, the signal is great on that avata, I think I would have lost signal in that tunnel with my rotor riot FPV drones and they are digital
I read that the FAA requests pilots of all aircraft to maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet over all National Parks. I know this video isn’t a National Park, but what do think about the FAA setting that altitude minimum over National Parks?
Can you give any insight on the particular position you picked on the road side launch and recovery area you selected? ie... How did you figure out that was a "good" spot and how to articulate that to police if they did stop for you. Like For me, can i just pull my truck on the side of the road like that, and L&R like that for example. Like what denotes Public vs. Private or an easement etc, if that applies.
Watch you all the time. I realize that you step up to the line a lot. I was under theimperession that the PIC must have VLOS on the drone and that a visual observer cannot replace that for the PIC. The VO is just to assist as the PIC looks at screen for telemetry, etc. Please advise me....
It would be dangerous for a goggled pilot to have VLOS at all. This is an oversight (pun intended) by the FAA that needs to be corrected. In the meantime, I prefer to conduct flights in a safe manner. Hopefully, the bureaucratic machine will catch up to how things work in real world situations.
I would have him write the ticket then fight it. But i have that personality type to challenge rules i know are illegal. I also have Michigan law on my side.
Not sure where you all are flying, but Portland, Oregon in the US has a no fly rule over their Metro parks too! I sent them a message informing them that they can’t regulate the air space above their parks, that is the sole domain of the FAA. Nice to see others know what they are talking about!! 😊
Seems more like "pick and choose". Absolutely, FAA controls the airspace, but there is no way he complied with LOS (line of sight) requirement during this flight.
I got some complaints from my HOA neighbors that I was peeping into backyards and concentrating on the pool area with my drone. Total hogwash, but they made me produce my FAA license and insurance before they were happy. I like to explore when I get into the air and am always fascinated by what’s around me that is invisible from the ground. Kens and Karens are everywhere.(Not meaning you, big Ken.) Always remember to cover your bases when you fly.😊
So do the same rules apply if you were to teather 100 helium balloons to the drone like you did that one time? I mean would it technically be a drone that way?
Not sure about that park but some I've seen cover pretty much anything capable of flight other than birds. I read the rules for one that specifically included lighter-than-air craft, balloons and other vehicles or devices capable of untethered flight, manned or unmanned. Someone allegedly asked if they could fly a drone straight up, get a 360 view and land if they tied a string to it like a kite so it wouldn't be an untethered flight. They claim they were told they couldn't because the rule specified "capable" of untethered flight. To me that makes about as much sense as saying you can't walk your dog on a leash because it is capable of walking without a leash. I've been in parks on windy days and personally witnessed napkins and paper plates take off and land there, demonstrating under the right conditions they are capable of untethered flight. Was that illegal? What about Frisbees? It didn't say sustained untethered flight. But as we know when the government is involved making sense is neither required nor encouraged.
So as long as you take off and land outside the park its OK to fly IN the park. Does this apply to national parks etc as well? This is a warning I got on Air Aware "This is a wilderness area. Drone use (commercial and personal takeoff and landing) is prohibited within all wilderness areas".
I’m kind of blown away how good your signal was flying through the tunnel as well as flying below tree, lines and hills when you went into the park obviously, you did the ham hack to unlock other channels, but is there a hacks to unlock different power levels like the old air units. I’m new to the 03 I’m used to the older air unit with the 1200 Milla watt hack. Can you give any tips as far as power?
If that was legal, you can't do that in the UK - flying over cars or people (or within 50 feet of them). The cop was super chilled, despite his protestations I reckon you found a good one there
@@gmivisualsjason3729 No you can't do what he is doing - unless you use a tiny toy one under 250g, but not proper drones like Ken uses (and is here on this vid)
@@gmivisualsjason3729 We can't do what Ken is doing - fact. Using little toy ones and sub 250g there are no restrictions CAA wise - but using drones like Ken is, he can do it (or is) but we can't which is what I said
Of course the rules are about discouraging people from flying drones in the park or over the park. I always try to look at things from the viewpoint of the other side. I may or may not agree, but seeing their side may help me to understand and perhaps craft an argument that may persuade them, or find a way to do what I want that doesn't annoy them. The thing is, many of the general public is either annoyed by the sound of the drone, is worried about being hit by the drone, or fears some impingement on their perceived sense of privacy. Flying farther away helps with those.
Ken are you familiar with Percy Priest lake area by the dam side. No drone signs all over. Would that mean just no launching from around there? I live in a neighborhood right next door to the dam so can I launch from my yard and fly over the dam and fly around the lake? LOS of course 😉
Love your car and your channel. Do those goggles really help a lot. What is the model. I have a few drones but here where I am people really hate the drones to the point to where its not even worth it to fly because of the hassle. Love you channel.
I gotta ask what your connection was when you were over the pool. I've flown in my neigborhood and almost completely lost signal when I went around the corner from my house. The fact that you still had connection there makes me wonder if there is something wrong with my avata.
Keith has incredible eye sight to see such a tiny drone from so far away LOLLL
Agree. Must have Eagle Eyes.
He’s wearing X-ray glasses to see through the trees. A must have item for dronies. 😊
And underground!
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My thoughts perzactly.
Parks should designate "No Karens Zone" for drones to take off and land. The biggest thing, I think, about drone restrictions is fear of "aggressive" activities. They have created skate parks to get the kids off the sidewalks (mostly) and give them a place to play. Not much effort to designate a small portion of a parking lot or field as "drone zones."
Exactly. I remember when my town started designing and building the first couple of skateparks. It was so nice and less stressful knowing you wouldn’t get harassed for just skating.
People are going to fly regardless of any set of rules, so you might as well give them space to do it.
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The biggest fear is that there are a lot of idiots in the human race. Idiots who will take a drone and do unbelievable things with them for likes and views. Just look at what these idiots do with motorcycles and automobiles simply for content. People die. People need to be regulated.
My favorite example of this is a UK UA-camr who got some great footage of Stonehenge. He waited until after hours, so there were no people there, took off from outside their property, and flew over. But, then, I just saw some drone footage of Maiden Castle (despite the name, it's a hillfort; nothing but a hill with piles of dirt), and I'm pretty sure they were on the property there. Both Stonehenge and Maiden Castle are property of English Heritage, which like the US NPS, bans all drone operations on their lands, even when the site is just a pile of dirt.
I had the same situation except with campus PD. I was parked on their property while flying over an adjacent golf course COMPLETELY out of everyones way by an old landscaping shed, I mean you had to look for me to find me. The Douche Canoe in security golf cart circled me mad dogging and eventually called the Sgt. on me.
The SGT was cool, but I said to him “you know I can just park across the street and fly this whole area right?” He didn’t like that very much. Long story short, I now dedicate one battery EVERY-TIME I fly just to that Douche. I cruise out, find him circling in his little campus cart, and hit him with the spot light for about 20 seconds, wag my props, then fly away. This was several months ago and I have given him about 10 visits since then.
Its spiteful, and petty, but it makes me feel GOOD!
It's good to see law abiding citizens fly their drones legally... But it seems like taking off inside the park would be much safer. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
Well said
It is safer, but local municipalities can't regulate the airspace. Only the ground. Even official no drone zones can only regulate takeoffs and landings according to the FAA. TFRs are an example of the FAA restricting the airspace over the area.
I've been doing a crap ton of research because I live near toledo metro parks and they are all no drone zones except 1 that requires a permit
According to the linked ordinance, The park does not restrict take off, only landing is prohibited. Nor is there any specific restriction on operating the drone from within park property ...
The key concept is that the FAA opinion that states/localities can control specific aspects of drone use, including take off and landing. Since most drone pilots are ground-based, the state can control where the pilot operates. Tennessee has no state laws wrt drones as of Jan 2024, so only local ordinance or facility policy would be of concern. The limit in this specific park is on aviation in general, and it is a prohibition on intentional landings.
Either the Sargeant is unfamiliar with the ordinance, or he is a drone genius who understands that some drones will automatically return to the take off point on loss of signal (which would constitute an unauthorized intentional landing per the ordinance). Not betting my money either way ...
Legally? He’s flying beyond the line of sight. The FAA could fine him with this video alone. Not very bright posting this online.
Impish rules require knights of exploration and sometimes an impish response as a counter. Which is, both entertaining and hopefully highly effective. For me, Keith is now dubbed the "Peace maker" as a sign of obstinate respect. Great health to you and especially Keith.
Everyone should be calling their reps until they make changes to protect the hobby in CONGRESS!
Since when does congress have our interests in mind if it's not self serving? It's not an issue that is politicized.
They don't care about protection of a hobby. They won't even vote to protect rights written in The Constitution! We just saw them do it.
In a true democracy, you might find that the majority of citizens would vote against your drones buzzing around their public parks. My hobby is surfing, but I respect the areas that are swimming only. Drone enthusiasts seem to think they own all rights to the sky and that any regulation is the government taking away the peoples rights.
@@Zero.0ne.Very true that there's likely a lot of people who would rather we just go away, same as surfers, skateboarders, or street musicians. However, those groups all have safe places to play, we do not. The areas that we have that have historically been safe are being taken away piecemeal. My metro area is 2.5M people. There is exactly one semi-public place to fly and it wasn't approved as a FRIA, so even that's gone soon.
@@ericaschner3283 Sad to hear. I'm all for designated areas for flying.
LOL!!! 😄😄 Oh, that was joyous! Thank you, Ken and Keith, for another fun and hilarious outing. All the best to both of you.
- Robert
Thanks so much Robert!
2 sheriff deputies came to our house to inform us that the neighbor farmer did not want us flying our mini over his property. I stated that it was federally controlled airspace not his airspace & they said they knew that & that they would not be back. That same farmer has legally hired large agricultural spray aircraft that fly over our property dripping spray chemicals on everything & there is nothing we can do, nor do we complain.
Wow. You need to drop pamphlets on his property now. 🤣
This was one of your best videos! Great footage, and a great way to make a point! After a series of run-ins with my local PD (some respectful, some not) and when education failed, and I got the Village board to to personally explain the drone laws to the PD. The Board came around after furnishing them with the FAA and DHS memorandums and with the assistance of AOPA. After that I went thru 5 EVO II Pro batteries flying over the Police Headquarters and their radio tower getting great footage and desensitizing the officers and their office workers to drones. Almost 3 years and we're all back to being friends.
That's great!
This was a great video, funny video. You two guys work so well together. I'm all about saftey and it is ridiculous that you are put in jeopardy because they don't want you to take off or land in a safe place. You are still able to fly and see the whole park anyway, so what is the sense of making you have to fly from an unsafe area?
What is the difference of cameras all over in the park, which I'm sure the park has then a drone flying around? They both are recording footage of everthing.
Yes. You as the one to keep your eyes on the drone in the area as Keith was doing is probably. I have been the spotter my self and you would be amazed at how you keep it insight. Keith is a professional drone pilot for many years now and does know how to keep the drone insight.
Cheers to you for doing a public service by your desensitization efforts! Thank you for your service!
Excellent Video and Excellent Flying. Thank You Ken and Keith.
whenever i fly FPV 😅 stay the heck in my
car and launch from roof with locked doors and mirrored glas. if there is a ultra karen actually see the quad land and come running i jump out the car, look around confused and grab the drone saying i gonna steal it to teach that rude pilot a lesson. their faces are priceless 😅
We call it the Rip n Dip..land at the car door. Never get out of the driver's seat
@@Fly_High_FPVsome people land through the sunroof😂
good idea! hm.. dont the cars metal body kinda lower your signal though?
That's hilarious.
Please get this on camera if you can. It would be hilarious.
Their is no way Keith has LOS on that drone.
By my count he overflew 7 people while saying he wasn't.
Can you launch the drone from your car (drone on top of car). Fly it while someone else drives to park, fly it while in the car in the park, and then when you leave, drive out of the park and fly drone back to car?
Probably
It would depend on the laws of that state or city. Some say aircraft can not take of or land while others say you can't take off, land or operate an aircraft from the park property.
It's a good thing your spotter always kept VLOS. Can't imagine what horrors would have happened if you had to rely on the camera alone instead...
I’m starting to feel like Ken can get away with a lot. Some people are just so friendly that they get away with stuff. Like the car. Jeremy Dewitte can’t but Ken can. That’s the power of Ken! 😂
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Well Dewitte was pulling people over / stopping people / etc. Parking on the side of the road and having flashing yellow and white lights is ... uh ... less problematic ;).
Glad to see you went out and did the right thing. Looking for the cops and finding them would of been a great accomplishment, maybe next time. You two like living on the edge.
Hey Ken. Your friendly Cop is more concerned about flying , or taking off and landing, in the Park. Did he stop the driver leaving the burn outs ( @ 2:51) which is a safety hazard to the public, or was that you at night leaving your mark just to piss him off.
Always educational as well as funny. Thank you Ken.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Dude. Your car is EPIC! And this is a great video and I love your rebellious nature!
That POV stuff looks super fun. It's better than virtual reality. It always surprises me how smoothly these things fly.
Maybe if a bunch of people regularly launched drones from that spot regularly enough to be an irritatation, legislation would be changed to allowed taking off in the park. Unfortunately it would likely end up in legislation stopping drones from taking off and landing anywhere
This video is legit!!....we love this hobby..thanks Ken!!
Glad you enjoy it!
Cop was doing his job putting you on the side of a busy Highway with traffic passing within 10 feet of you!
Not one cop telling you that being on the side of the highway is unsafe is unreal!🤪
Here in Phoenix,AZ the city was kind enough to allow radio controlled vehicles only in certain parks/reserves and prohibited in all other parks/reserves.
It looked like the drone was the highlight of the day for the guy at the top of the waterside.
Right?!🤓
The only person who should be approaching a pilot is
a FAA rep
or
a Federal Air Marshal.
Id argue anyone else isn't educated enough to be able to accurately and fairly enforce FAA law.
I love the advocacy Ken and his group do for the Drone community. Pushing the boundaries and keeping our rights is always a good thing. However this seems like it may have gone too far. Without going to my the site myself and checking it, I can't be 100% certain, but it certainly does seem nearly impossible to maintain VLOS.
It’s showing the hypocrisy of these type of rules. It has nothing to do with safety is the point.
@@Greg__K By my count he overflew 7 people while saying he wasn't. THERE'S hypocrisy for you.
You gotta take off outside the park, walk into the park, point and laugh at the officers, orbiting your drone around them, then land outside the park, and leave. lol
Walk inside the park with your controller and look up. Have Keith flying outside the park LOL! Karen troller for sure.
@@blackbrd99that would be an awesome video
Great video Ken ..keep it up. Always entertaining.
Laws are dumb, based on fear, not safety
So let me get this right. You have no problem with a 13-year-old kid with a drone flying at an airport and then the drone getting sucked into a jet engine and crashing the plane and killing hundreds of people. You're responses, laws are dumb based on fear and not safety, correct?
ke4uyp your example hasn't happened ever. Drones aren't allow near airports. I'd they are, they ground all planes. Fear of the 'what if' with drones is the problem. Even though the USA has half of all firearms in the world, we worry about drones.
@@shadowofchaos8932 what's wrong with worrying about both and you are wrong. There has been many reported results of drone operators at airports flying drones dangerously closed to airlines. Some have actually struck the airlines and caused hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage.
Just Google illegal drone flights at airports.
@@shadowofchaos8932 It only takes one idiot that doesn't abide by the rules for that to happen. And believe you, me in this country. There are plenty of idiots.
Laws are not based on either concept. They are based on being able to hold people accountable when they screw up. This particular law is utter BS.
How is that line of sight?
By my count he overflew 7 people while saying he wasn't.
Great video and thank you for sharing 🇺🇸🙏🏽🇺🇸
Trolling the 5.0’s……love it. 👍👍
I was looking for the pee pee in the graffiti. Lol
Rocking outside the park. Very interesting my dear Ken an Keith. Keep on flying
😂 love this video. If I flew that far where I live ..signal lost would happen !! Thanks again
So cool I drive by there every day at work gonna fly my drone one day over there 😎😄
Ken Huron rules the world.
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Those wires between the light poles in the swimming pool are is where I was flying an an abandoned parking lot. I looked up and saw what I thought I had hit a buzzard. I looked down at my iPad Mini and saw nothing but asphalt. I smacked right into the wire.
Luckily I had State Farm Drone Insurance and they paid for it. Actually DJI gave me a brand new drone. What customer service.
Can you take off from where you did... walk over into the park and fly... and still land back over where you took off from?
Most likely not. A lot of the codes that parks put into place have a "launch, land, and operation" provision built-in that prevents you from launching/landing as well as operating drones. Which they're allowed to do unfortunately because it doesn't dictate the airspace. Just where you operate the drone -- which regulates you, not your drone.
AHAHA here we go!!! SWeet I can't believe you did this, I wanted it so bad!! roflol
Feel the Berm! Love the Ending!
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Keep up the fight guys!
Just started watching your videos, I like what you’re doing. I subscribed. Thanks for sharing.
Pushing the boundaries for public safety SCIENCE! great demonstration of power, loop-hole 😊
Yes! Thank you!
Very good video Ken
Thanks 👍
Ken takes a 2 hour drive, this time appears to not have forgotten anything, all just to prove a point. Too bad Mr. Cop was not around to see it. ;)
You guys are great! I knew there was going to be a redemption video!! Cheers!
Ken and his friend Keith is like watching a Ren & Stimpy toon. LOL 😆
Going through that tunnel was sketchy...but fun as hell. Keep the blue side up.
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I appreciate you pushing the envelope and auditing the response if law enforcement.
Fly Safe, Fly Always, Always Fly Safe!!!!!
You guys are very close to breaking the #1 no no law.....POP and it's glorious.
I wanna know what we're going to do about the stars banning DJI.... I don't want my drones to go to waste now.
Just did this to get around National Park/Forrest rules in NM all last week.
Wow that looks very dangerous, if the cop car was not there someone could have hit you😧 not good at all. The kid waving at the drone was cute 😊
"Not flying over any people..."
Immediately flies over multiple people. 😂
Don't be these guys.
Karen--
Zero people were flown over in this video.
@@KenHeron Karen? So you can't come up with a counterpoint and resort to name-calling with a tired old insult you think is still trending? 😂
I don't care what you call me as you clearly don't know me. I do care about laws and the industry. You should know that "Karens" are the very ones this type of piloting-to-prove-a-point behavior gives more fuel to for their fires. Noisy "Karens then push lawmakers to make more laws to make it more difficult to fly and in more and more restricted areas. Morons who look for fights like these guys are the ones that are making it more and more difficult to enjoy the hobby/job.
I highly doubt that UAV is under 250 grams, and I SERIOUSLY doubt the spotter maintained VLOS the entire time from that distance with those obstacles.
You Karen's sure trigger easily. 🤣
@@KenHeron you're speaking like one more concerned about social media presence and getting clicks than you are following FAA regulations. You're not educating anyone with this content. You ARE encouraging people to be jackasses with drones. Call me all the names you want. You're only showing your lack of articulation while reinforcing my observations of your character. I expect nothing less from someone who ACTUALLY drives a fake police car. 😂😂
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Me, watching:
Hey, is that Wave Country? Gee, it sure looks like it...nah, that could be anywhere. But it sure looks like...HEY, it IS Wave Country! And the greenway tunnel, hell yeah!
Hello from Nashville, and thanks for the fun, informative video.
Wow! That is some great eyesite! That's like seeing a sparrow at 300 yards. And to see it go through the tunnel! Wish my eyesite was still that good. Anyway it was very interesting to watch and learn some rules. I just started flying a drone, and the info was helpful.
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looks like the Techno Viking stance!👍😂
I’m surprised you kept a single in the tunnel.
Keith is the best VO 👀
Ahhh Ken great video and point made, the signal is great on that avata, I think I would have lost signal in that tunnel with my rotor riot FPV drones and they are digital
I read that the FAA requests pilots of all aircraft to maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet over all National Parks. I know this video isn’t a National Park, but what do think about the FAA setting that altitude minimum over National Parks?
You guys are awesome 👌 👏 👍
I really want a drone but living less then a mile from an airport and no car to drive to a fly zone I cannot legally fly any place i can walk to.
Can you give any insight on the particular position you picked on the road side launch and recovery area you selected? ie... How did you figure out that was a "good" spot and how to articulate that to police if they did stop for you. Like For me, can i just pull my truck on the side of the road like that, and L&R like that for example. Like what denotes Public vs. Private or an easement etc, if that applies.
In most places it's based on local or state laws. In Michigan, a road easement is 15ft from the center of the road to the outside of the road.
Is that a homemade drone,
It sure does have some good distance to it.
^ also known as Double Dog Drone "I wanna thank you for being cooperative" Ken's reply " shuuuure" with a hint of disdain. LOL
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Watch you all the time. I realize that you step up to the line a lot. I was under theimperession that the PIC must have VLOS on the drone and that a visual observer cannot replace that for the PIC. The VO is just to assist as the PIC looks at screen for telemetry, etc. Please advise me....
It would be dangerous for a goggled pilot to have VLOS at all.
This is an oversight (pun intended) by the FAA that needs to be corrected.
In the meantime, I prefer to conduct flights in a safe manner. Hopefully, the bureaucratic machine will catch up to how things work in real world situations.
If there is a no drone zone mandate like say in Gatlinburg tn. , does that include private property? Can I take off and land on private property?!
I would have him write the ticket then fight it. But i have that personality type to challenge rules i know are illegal. I also have Michigan law on my side.
Not sure where you all are flying, but Portland, Oregon in the US has a no fly rule over their Metro parks too! I sent them a message informing them that they can’t regulate the air space above their parks, that is the sole domain of the FAA. Nice to see others know what they are talking about!! 😊
Seems more like "pick and choose". Absolutely, FAA controls the airspace, but there is no way he complied with LOS (line of sight) requirement during this flight.
Not to be a Debbi Downer but there is no way it was still in line of sight. Maybe if you had binoculars? lol
I got some complaints from my HOA neighbors that I was peeping into backyards and concentrating on the pool area with my drone. Total hogwash, but they made me produce my FAA license and insurance before they were happy. I like to explore when I get into the air and am always fascinated by what’s around me that is invisible from the ground. Kens and Karens are everywhere.(Not meaning you, big Ken.) Always remember to cover your bases when you fly.😊
If at all possible, move. HOAs are horrible. They will find a way to make your life miserable.
I take off and land outside of any parks I fly over, been doing it for years… nothing new…
Do they say you can't operate from the park? Like takeoff and land outside but walk it and do your flying??
You could do that according to the law.
So do the same rules apply if you were to teather 100 helium balloons to the drone like you did that one time? I mean would it technically be a drone that way?
Not sure about that park but some I've seen cover pretty much anything capable of flight other than birds. I read the rules for one that specifically included lighter-than-air craft, balloons and other vehicles or devices capable of untethered flight, manned or unmanned. Someone allegedly asked if they could fly a drone straight up, get a 360 view and land if they tied a string to it like a kite so it wouldn't be an untethered flight. They claim they were told they couldn't because the rule specified "capable" of untethered flight. To me that makes about as much sense as saying you can't walk your dog on a leash because it is capable of walking without a leash. I've been in parks on windy days and personally witnessed napkins and paper plates take off and land there, demonstrating under the right conditions they are capable of untethered flight. Was that illegal? What about Frisbees? It didn't say sustained untethered flight. But as we know when the government is involved making sense is neither required nor encouraged.
Totally 💯 percent awesome Sir!!
Glad you think so!
So as long as you take off and land outside the park its OK to fly IN the park. Does this apply to national parks etc as well? This is a warning I got on Air Aware "This is a wilderness area. Drone use (commercial and personal takeoff and landing) is prohibited within all wilderness areas".
My God, I can’t stop laughing 😅 Great video 👍
Thanks 😆
I’m kind of blown away how good your signal was flying through the tunnel as well as flying below tree, lines and hills when you went into the park obviously, you did the ham hack to unlock other channels, but is there a hacks to unlock different power levels like the old air units. I’m new to the 03 I’m used to the older air unit with the 1200 Milla watt hack. Can you give any tips as far as power?
So you could throw the drone in the air before powering up. Then you would be launching from the airspace?
If that was legal, you can't do that in the UK - flying over cars or people (or within 50 feet of them). The cop was super chilled, despite his protestations I reckon you found a good one there
Yes, we can do exactly that in the UK ..
True not with the Avata because of its weight
But sub 250 we can......
@@gmivisualsjason3729 No you can't do what he is doing - unless you use a tiny toy one under 250g, but not proper drones like Ken uses (and is here on this vid)
@@GHOOGLEMALE the DJI mini 3 pro is sub 250.... And yes it can do Exactly what ken was doing
@@gmivisualsjason3729 We can't do what Ken is doing - fact. Using little toy ones and sub 250g there are no restrictions CAA wise - but using drones like Ken is, he can do it (or is) but we can't which is what I said
@@GHOOGLEMALE not Fact
You guys are knowledgeable and entertaining 😂
Of course the rules are about discouraging people from flying drones in the park or over the park. I always try to look at things from the viewpoint of the other side. I may or may not agree, but seeing their side may help me to understand and perhaps craft an argument that may persuade them, or find a way to do what I want that doesn't annoy them.
The thing is, many of the general public is either annoyed by the sound of the drone, is worried about being hit by the drone, or fears some impingement on their perceived sense of privacy. Flying farther away helps with those.
Ken are you familiar with Percy Priest lake area by the dam side. No drone signs all over. Would that mean just no launching from around there? I live in a neighborhood right next door to the dam so can I launch from my yard and fly over the dam and fly around the lake? LOS of course 😉
Malicious obedience
Hi I love watching you ,question ,do you ever get pulled over driving a modified cop car?
Indeed I do.
Mostly by police who are just curious why someone's driving a 12-year-old squad car.
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Can i take off and land in front of the building sidewalk where I rent an apartment although I don't own the building?
What type of drone was this? I like the protected blades.
Holy hell the avata needs some stabilization haha
Thank you Ken great viedo
Very welcome
Love your car and your channel. Do those goggles really help a lot. What is the model. I have a few drones but here where I am people really hate the drones to the point to where its not even worth it to fly because of the hassle. Love you channel.
Thanks!
Those are DJI V2 goggles.
What about line of sight doesn’t a drone have to be in eye sight at all times I’m still new at being a drone pilot I was just wondering
😂😂😂 You both are goooood.
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I gotta ask what your connection was when you were over the pool. I've flown in my neigborhood and almost completely lost signal when I went around the corner from my house. The fact that you still had connection there makes me wonder if there is something wrong with my avata.
The Avata has great range. There might be something wrong with yours.
No way he can see that drone as far away and as low as it was flying 😂