I don't know any other UA-cam channel that shows all this ordering information. I love to geek out over it since i came from a family who always custom ordered their cars from the dealer. We NEVER bought a car off the lot. My Dad and mom would sit down with the salesman with these books and pick out everything they wanted and nothing they didnt. It was a much better time.
This brought back a lot of memories for me . I worked at Pauley Dodge as an apprentice mechanic till the very end when they closed . I knew Don from when I was a teenager. A great man . Went to school with Roy Evers although he was 5 years younger.
Oh yes, my father and Don were friends from way back. My father went to work at Kimble Motors as an apprentice when he got out of the navy after world war 2 in 1946. I think Kimble’s closed in the early 70s . It was a Chrysler / Plymouth dealer in Shelton. I spent a lot of time there after school waiting for a ride home in the late sixties . Haven’t seen Roy in many years but after I moved to Olympia I used to stop at his parents house and visit them . Absolutely wonderful people . I could go on for days but I won’t . Recently discovered your channel and dead dodge and have watched many of your videos . Really enjoy your content.
Cool info! I'm old enough to remember that buying a new car meant picking out your choice of colors- interior & body, engine size, transmission, and options. You then had to wait a month? for your car to be built & shipped to your dealer.
I ordered my 2010 SRT-8 and had only four options, Stick, sunroof, Radio (W/nav) and sub-woofer. But I did it in the Managers office at the dealership I had worked for 15 years ealier, and it was actually very enjoyable. I was then able to follow all the steps of the build process online, which I did, checking in on a daily basis. I got the car two weeks before a 500 mile road trip to the Indy 500, and when I picked up my car they were giving away BBQ's to minivan buyers. I made them give me one. Not my first car dealership experience, but defintley the most enjoyable. And I love the build sheets, so great video.
Fun and interesting stuff. I have the paperwork for the '70 Duster my parents bought new, which sits in my garage. Most that I've seen are "heater and key" specials. Slant Six, three speed and maybe a radio. My dad opted for a 318 auto, disc brakes, AC, vinyl top, light group, interior decor group, power steering, tinted glass, and Rallye wheels. MSRP was $3530, and it is indeed F8 Ivy Green with a green interior.
hi Tom great ep i like the color codes for the cars . i took a picture on my phone and wrote them down to .Also took a picture of the interior page to happy new year to you and your family.
Interesting. I have a 1969 Coronet 500 2 door HT with a ton of original paperwork. I am missing what you showed, but was able to obtain an Advance Dealer Shipping Notice when I visited the dealer it sold through in 1980. It only took them about 5 minutes to find it, since I had the original owners name and sale date. It showed a lot of the same info you had in your examples including options, retail prices and a total wholesale price. It also showed the weights of the major options. Cool stuff.
Being a railroad buff as well ..l see the notation that they were shipped by rail via New York Central ,and The Milwaukee Road...(Chicago ,Milwaukee,St.Paul,and Pacific)
The MILW got them most likely to Seattle or Tacoma after the New York Central got them to Detroit or Chicago. Then they would have been delivered to Shelton (if by rail) via the Elma Sub that belonged in those days to the Northern Pacific Railroad (which is the "Northern" part of todays BNSF Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad). The Elma Sub now is accessed through the BNSF mainline near Centralia and goes north through Grand Mound, Rochester, Oakville and on into Elma. Head west from Elma you end up at the Port of Grays Harbor in Aberdeen. If you head east out of Elma 23 miles like those cars did and you wind up in Shelton all of which is probably more then you wanted to know....
@@chuxtuff Not at all...nice to see someone else up on the local lines...The removed section of the old NP from Olympia to Gate actually comes very close to my location...as does the former Milwaukee/Tacoma Eastern... West Cascade Rail has several great videos of the surviving lines from Chehalis to Shelton and on up to Bangor plus out to Aberdeen
@@rocketresto Yes they would certainly be delivered by truck from the Kent delivery yard...In the distant past cars could be delivered to Shelton by rail..but not in 1969 ...
Very imformative video about an almost forgotten subject that's really interesting to some of us out here. A few things I noticed on the video: at 9:30 you show the info in the book about the three speed manual, I think the gear ratios they mention in the write up are the low gear ratios in the transmission not the rear end gear ratios. I'd guess that the slant 6 cars likely got the light duty non-synchro first gear transmissions and the 318 cars got the stronger full synchro trans which is why they list the two different first gear ratios. At 17:05 you mention that the six digit number on the top right of the order invoice is the actual vehicle order number (VON) that appears on the fender tag. I always wondered where that number came from and now I know, thanks. Now I'm curious about the VON assignment. I'd guess that they wouldn't want any duplicates so they would have to be careful with the numbering on all the order books. You mention that the dealer might get 25 of those at the beginning of the year which, I'm guessing, would likely vary depending on the expected sales volume of the dealer. The invoice shown is for a Coronet, did the order books have the different models all together in one book (Dart, Coronet, Charger, Polara/Monaco) or did they have separate books for each model? I'm thinking that it's probably a whole field of study about the VON's and that you could probably make a good guess as to where a particular vehicle was sold new if you had info from another car with a close VON. Using these cars for example, if you have a car with around a 204350-204380 VON then it likely came from the same dealership. I'm wondering if they would deliver boxes of invoices with similar groups of order numbers at the different regions, say 200000-250000 to the Portland region so if you have a VON in that range then your car was probably sold new somewhere in that region. I'm curious if anyone has done a deep dive into that.
You are right in with all your comments. I don’t usually bring up the VON blocks in certain regions because some people get really bent out of shape about it (don’t know why) but you are correct. Exception would be some years (69 for example) they sent out new order forms in the spring with new options. Also some dealers like Mr Norms ordered so many cars most years they have different blocks of VON’s so you can’t really figure out region by VON on those cars.
@@rocketresto I could see a scenario where one dealers VON numbers end and possibly another dealer hundreds of miles away has the next block of VONs. You would have to find two other cars with bracketing VONs from the same dealership to be reasonably sure and there probably aren't enough cars out there with known dealership history to make a reliable database except for some high volume dealerships that might have enough of a range of VONs to make it usable. Do those ordering invoices come in a book with a certain number of invoices? Have you ever run across any unused or partially used ones in your dealership finds?
@@greganderson4547ran across a few but very rare to find. Friend figured out where his 1970 Challenger with a factory TA hood was sold new (here locally) because a 1970 Challenger Hemi car also with a factory N94 car with a VON a couple off of his car.
@@rocketresto cool, N94 was such a rarely seen option that it's surprising to find out that two ended up being sold at the same dealership and possibly at the same time. Do you know if they were customer or dealer ordered cars?
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On the shipping info as I train guy I find it interesting still said NYC (new york central) in December 68 as they ceased to exist in February. The cm st p &p is the Milwaukee road
Car was shipped dec 68 so that makes sense, but I bet they had those routes figured out at the start of the year and wouldn’t change the company name till the next year.
@StevenAndrews-r2v looked at Google maps, I drive right by it, food truck on corner now. The building with parking lot makes sense. I get distracted by the railyard.
@@martinadams7949 Believe so. Chevy dealer building is still there and is awesome, tried to buy it years ago but got scared because it's in a flood plain.
In the day, the salesman was what stood between you and the car of your desires, they often had little knowledge of the product they were selling, I know many sales were ultimately lost. They always wanted to steer you to whatever was on the lot. If you lusted for a 383 4 speed coupe Road Runner, he’d do his best to convince you that light blue 318 Satellite sitting in the front row was what you really wanted. Some dealerships didn’t want anything to do with selling a 4 speed car to a young guy, they’d also would do their best to talk anybody out of buying a black car, how times have changed.
This dealer sold zero performance stuff, mostly green with tan interiors and tan with green interiors. One 4 bbl car the entire 1970 model year and it was an N code 1970 Charger, not even an rt.
@@rocketresto WOW that's insane. It's sad that the dealership isn't there anymore. I hate to see old family owned dealerships go away as well as their building destroyed. That's probably why i love your channel so much. You and your crew work so hard to keep these older cars on the road. TY.
Black really highlights any body panel imperfections, so they they would want to start with the straightest body they had, it was time consuming. I don’t have a body man’s eye, I’m essentially blind to all sorts of imperfections, but I had a friend, a body man who saw everything, he pointed out the quarter panel flaws that were on nearly every 69 Dart, then he pointed out the big flaw on my new 91 Ram drivers side box, and sure enough, every truck had the same big wave over the wheel.
I had a 70 Dart that was sold new in St. Charles, IL that was built in Los Angeles, so destination has no bearing on what plant builds the car. The data book is not wrong. 2.95 to 1 is the 1st gear ratio in the trans, likewise with the 3.02 to 1, those are not the rear axle ratios.
Very interesting video, and I have a couple of almost interesting and somewhat nerdy things I thought worth mentioning. I'm mainly a fuselage/formal c-body guy (from New Zealand), but was reminded of a couple of b-bodies I've had (one I still have) when watching this. Firstly, looking at the 3 speed manual Coronet 440, I have a '69 Coronet 440 hardtop in F5 that came as 3 speed manual column shift (with the standard 318), and with manual steering and brakes, and no vinyl top, but with AC (sold new in San Antonio), which is a really unusually spec'd car (not like anything I've ever seen). Other thing is that I owned an F3 '69 Coronet 440 hardtop that I bought in Washington that could very well be the car in the paperwork there. I just looked at all of my correspondence with the previous owner (from 2002), but can't see the vin number mentioned. When I get back from holiday I'll look through my old paperwork. The only thing that casts any doubt for me is that I don't remember whether it had the provision for headrests (it didn't have headrests, and I seem to think that it never did). Anyway, there ya go. Thanks for the entertaining video, great to delve into that stuff.
Just found a photo of the title and it's a different car, which is a shame, because I still know where the car is and it would have been cool to connect the car and the paperwork. I still have the very low/oddly optioned F5 one.
Three on the tree is a rare one, neat you still have it. Too bad that other one wasn’t the right car, would have loved to reunite the paperwork with it.
Cool stuff - in March ‘69 my dad bought a new ‘69 Polara 2 door that sat around since before Jan 1 (no headrests)- it had an odd cloth and vinyl interior that wasn’t in the parts book when I tried to buy a front seat hinge cover a couple years later…(or the parts guy was an idiot)
The building is still there at Front and Railroad in Shelton...Maggie's Fresh Specialty Market and Jalisco Tortilla Factory now occupy this location...
I don't know if it would be the same color. In 1967 my Uncle bought a Fury III 4 door sedan, in the light green metallic. I do remember when he picked it up. He brought my grandmother my brother and myself. I remember my grandmother saying to my Uncle, Ron this car is so big. The car he had traded in was a 1964 Valiant V-100. He had the Fury for 3 years. He wanted to trade it in on a 1970. But the salesman was more interested in talking to someone on the phone about fishing. Uncle then went to the Ford dealer. He bought a 1970 Galaxie 500. He had a love hate relationship with that car.
cool. In the 198o's a friend of mine father was Gm at a BMW dealership. I wanted a new one and so did my boss at work and his brother. We got into the pick up at the factory special price and ordered 3 identical cars. I was working internationally so getting there was no problem, my boss either. We got a date from BMW and scheduled it. We got 4 cars, but they were 2 sets of 2 serial numbers with 4 numbers between. Yours is neater as they were differently optioned
@@rocketresto It was very professional. Went out on the autobahn and drove to a place I knew for dinner. we were told to drive them they way you would normally drive but for the first 1000 miles keep checking the oil. We put the 1 k miles on it, shipped them back, they were taxed as used cars, lower rate. Drove the wheels off mine
I think LA built cars made it as far north as Washington State, but I believe that’s where it stopped, I don’t recall ever seeing an LA built car in British Columbia, our cars always seem to have come from Michigan.
I’ve seen LA built cars as far as Kansas before, don’t think they had a formula where they went but of course tried to send cars as close to the factory as possible. Of course some cars, b body convertibles for example, were only made at the St. Louis plant.
Boring invoice, lol 4 doors were fugly. I had a '68 Coronet 500 HT back in '70 - very nice car with all whistles and bells. I think they are much harder to find today than the RTs. Good job, though. 🚗
@@rocketresto That C pillar from '68 to '71 was killer - what you would call compound radius - it would morph shape depending on what angle it was viewed at. Again good dissect forensic job, bub. 👍🏻
I find this interesting, but very limited information is given out on old Dodge trucks. Or I'm not using the proper search phrases. Curious about production numbers on my '57 D-100. Might of been oddly optioned. 2 tone paint, white and green, V8, 2 speed push button. Told the wrap around rear window was rare, with the common long wheel base step side. Inside, drivers side armrest, and 2 sunvisors. The front trim I'm guessing is stainless, including the headlamp buckets.
My dad had a 56 dodge 1/2 ton long narrow box pickup, coral and white V8 3 speed on the tree wrap around rear window. Must be rare I've only seen 2 since in 50 years.
Btw. I'm working on a 70 Monaco wagon 383 all numbers paperwork blah blah blah my own Instagram channel is wrapped around that car and my whole UA-cam now is wrapped around Rocket Restorations and Dead Dodge Garage 🎉🎉🎉
This is why we shouldn’t allow foreign companies (conglomerates) to buy our legacy companies because they have no connection to the legacy and do what they have done to “our” heritage company that is Chrysler. I have never owned one but I know how important they are to not just the automotive history of the country but the history in general. How many people coming of age, how many views from the back seat of the Grand Canyon or to K-mart, no joke it’s gone, but it’s all part of us.
I always love finding old dealership locations...l am glad you retrieved so much history that would have been discarded..Look forward to more...
Love going to old dealerships, gotten a lot of paperwork from them.
It's wild seeing this old paperwork, stepping back in time. Definitely interesting.
Love going through this stuff, especially knowing these cars probably aren’t around anymore and these are the last records of them.
I don't know any other UA-cam channel that shows all this ordering information. I love to geek out over it since i came from a family who always custom ordered their cars from the dealer. We NEVER bought a car off the lot. My Dad and mom would sit down with the salesman with these books and pick out everything they wanted and nothing they didnt. It was a much better time.
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This brought back a lot of memories for me . I worked at Pauley Dodge as an apprentice mechanic till the very end when they closed . I knew Don from when I was a teenager. A great man . Went to school with Roy Evers although he was 5 years younger.
That’s awesome, any good stories from back in the day? Roy still does our 727 transmissions here.
Oh yes, my father and Don were friends from way back. My father went to work at Kimble Motors as an apprentice when he got out of the navy after world war 2 in 1946. I think Kimble’s closed in the early 70s . It was a Chrysler / Plymouth dealer in Shelton. I spent a lot of time there after school waiting for a ride home in the late sixties . Haven’t seen Roy in many years but after I moved to Olympia I used to stop at his parents house and visit them . Absolutely wonderful people . I could go on for days but I won’t . Recently discovered your channel and dead dodge and have watched many of your videos . Really enjoy your content.
You and Jamie are my 2 favorite channels.
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It's like attending Mopar U & Tom & Jamie are the cool professors!
Who the hell is Jamie?
@@klwthe3rdJamie is @deaddodgegarage
@@rocketresto Gotcha! I know that channel. I still think the content is better here though. Smiles.
Cool info! I'm old enough to remember that buying a new car meant picking out your choice of colors- interior & body, engine size, transmission, and options. You then had to wait a month? for your car to be built & shipped to your dealer.
Just can’t do that anymore.
I ordered my 2010 SRT-8 and had only four options, Stick, sunroof, Radio (W/nav) and sub-woofer. But I did it in the Managers office at the dealership I had worked for 15 years ealier, and it was actually very enjoyable. I was then able to follow all the steps of the build process online, which I did, checking in on a daily basis. I got the car two weeks before a 500 mile road trip to the Indy 500, and when I picked up my car they were giving away BBQ's to minivan buyers. I made them give me one. Not my first car dealership experience, but defintley the most enjoyable. And I love the build sheets, so great video.
Cool you ordered it but I’m nostalgic for the time when you could order almost anything you wanted, 4 options isn’t enough!
@@rocketresto Totally agree.
I always enjoy a look behind the scenes. Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
Love listening to Tom geek out on paperwork, it's one of life's simple pleasures LOL
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Love these videos........ I remember as a kid in the 70s at a Dodge dealership while dad was ordering a truck.
I remember the dealer in Shelton. Used to go there occasionally when I worked for the dealer in Centralia.
Nice, Don was a good dude.
Fun and interesting stuff. I have the paperwork for the '70 Duster my parents bought new, which sits in my garage. Most that I've seen are "heater and key" specials. Slant Six, three speed and maybe a radio. My dad opted for a 318 auto, disc brakes, AC, vinyl top, light group, interior decor group, power steering, tinted glass, and Rallye wheels. MSRP was $3530, and it is indeed F8 Ivy Green with a green interior.
I’d love to see the paperwork on that car, sounds awesome and so cool you still have it.
@@rocketresto I can shoot you a pic of the buyer's order if you have an email.
@@PapaWoody440Tom at Rocket resto dot com
hi Tom great ep i like the color codes for the cars . i took a picture on my phone and wrote them down to .Also took a picture of the interior page to happy new year to you and your family.
So many to choose from.
Ty Professor Tom.
These days new car dealerships sure lost their way.
It’s just not the same anymore, most of the new dealerships it’s a giant fight to order a car. They just try to get as much out of you as possible.
Hi Tom, I just wanted you to know that DDG told me about your site and your videos are great. Keep up the amazing work.
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Daydream I go back in time to 1969 and order a new Dodge and check the boxes😊
Think working at a Mopar dealer from 68-71 would have been a dream job. Look at all the options!
Thank you Tom
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Interesting. I have a 1969 Coronet 500 2 door HT with a ton of original paperwork. I am missing what you showed, but was able to obtain an Advance Dealer Shipping Notice when I visited the dealer it sold through in 1980. It only took them about 5 minutes to find it, since I had the original owners name and sale date. It showed a lot of the same info you had in your examples including options, retail prices and a total wholesale price. It also showed the weights of the major options. Cool stuff.
Very cool to have that for your car and very lucky. Most of that stuff gets lost or tossed.
Got here through "Dead Dodge Garage" channel! Very cool info, BTW.
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Wasn’t the coronet 2 door sedan the version that had the flip out rear 1/4 windows?
Yes had the pop out rear windows but that was mostly on super bee and coronet deluxe.
Being a railroad buff as well ..l see the notation that they were shipped by rail via New York Central ,and The Milwaukee Road...(Chicago ,Milwaukee,St.Paul,and Pacific)
The MILW got them most likely to Seattle or Tacoma after the New York Central got them to Detroit or Chicago. Then they would have been delivered to Shelton (if by rail) via the Elma Sub that belonged in those days to the Northern Pacific Railroad (which is the "Northern" part of todays BNSF Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad). The Elma Sub now is accessed through the BNSF mainline near Centralia and goes north through Grand Mound, Rochester, Oakville and on into Elma. Head west from Elma you end up at the Port of Grays Harbor in Aberdeen. If you head east out of Elma 23 miles like those cars did and you wind up in Shelton all of which is probably more then you wanted to know....
Yep they had regular routes.
They went to a hub back then, Kent I believe, then would be trucked to the dealer from there.
@@chuxtuff Not at all...nice to see someone else up on the local lines...The removed section of the old NP from Olympia to Gate actually comes very close to my location...as does the former Milwaukee/Tacoma Eastern...
West Cascade Rail has several great videos of the surviving lines from Chehalis to Shelton and on up to Bangor plus out to Aberdeen
@@rocketresto Yes they would certainly be delivered by truck from the Kent delivery yard...In the distant past cars could be delivered to Shelton by rail..but not in 1969 ...
In the description for the three speed transmission, they are referencing the gears in the trans.
Yes 3 speed on the tree manual transmission.
I don't think they meant the windshield wipers!! 😀🤐
Yes, the low (first) gear ratio, rather than the rear axle ratio.
Very imformative video about an almost forgotten subject that's really interesting to some of us out here.
A few things I noticed on the video: at 9:30 you show the info in the book about the three speed manual, I think the gear ratios they mention in the write up are the low gear ratios in the transmission not the rear end gear ratios. I'd guess that the slant 6 cars likely got the light duty non-synchro first gear transmissions and the 318 cars got the stronger full synchro trans which is why they list the two different first gear ratios.
At 17:05 you mention that the six digit number on the top right of the order invoice is the actual vehicle order number (VON) that appears on the fender tag. I always wondered where that number came from and now I know, thanks. Now I'm curious about the VON assignment. I'd guess that they wouldn't want any duplicates so they would have to be careful with the numbering on all the order books. You mention that the dealer might get 25 of those at the beginning of the year which, I'm guessing, would likely vary depending on the expected sales volume of the dealer. The invoice shown is for a Coronet, did the order books have the different models all together in one book (Dart, Coronet, Charger, Polara/Monaco) or did they have separate books for each model?
I'm thinking that it's probably a whole field of study about the VON's and that you could probably make a good guess as to where a particular vehicle was sold new if you had info from another car with a close VON. Using these cars for example, if you have a car with around a 204350-204380 VON then it likely came from the same dealership. I'm wondering if they would deliver boxes of invoices with similar groups of order numbers at the different regions, say 200000-250000 to the Portland region so if you have a VON in that range then your car was probably sold new somewhere in that region. I'm curious if anyone has done a deep dive into that.
You are right in with all your comments. I don’t usually bring up the VON blocks in certain regions because some people get really bent out of shape about it (don’t know why) but you are correct. Exception would be some years (69 for example) they sent out new order forms in the spring with new options. Also some dealers like Mr Norms ordered so many cars most years they have different blocks of VON’s so you can’t really figure out region by VON on those cars.
And yes every model got its own form.
@@rocketresto I could see a scenario where one dealers VON numbers end and possibly another dealer hundreds of miles away has the next block of VONs. You would have to find two other cars with bracketing VONs from the same dealership to be reasonably sure and there probably aren't enough cars out there with known dealership history to make a reliable database except for some high volume dealerships that might have enough of a range of VONs to make it usable.
Do those ordering invoices come in a book with a certain number of invoices? Have you ever run across any unused or partially used ones in your dealership finds?
@@greganderson4547ran across a few but very rare to find. Friend figured out where his 1970 Challenger with a factory TA hood was sold new (here locally) because a 1970 Challenger Hemi car also with a factory N94 car with a VON a couple off of his car.
@@rocketresto cool, N94 was such a rarely seen option that it's surprising to find out that two ended up being sold at the same dealership and possibly at the same time. Do you know if they were customer or dealer ordered cars?
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On the shipping info as I train guy I find it interesting still said NYC (new york central) in December 68 as they ceased to exist in February. The cm st p &p is the Milwaukee road
Car was shipped dec 68 so that makes sense, but I bet they had those routes figured out at the start of the year and wouldn’t change the company name till the next year.
@rocketresto I drive thru Shelton for work in the summer, is the dealer building still there?
@@martinadams7949 Yes it is still on WA SR 3 at Railroad and Front streets...
@StevenAndrews-r2v looked at Google maps, I drive right by it, food truck on corner now. The building with parking lot makes sense. I get distracted by the railyard.
@@martinadams7949 Believe so. Chevy dealer building is still there and is awesome, tried to buy it years ago but got scared because it's in a flood plain.
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In the day, the salesman was what stood between you and the car of your desires, they often had little knowledge of the product they were selling, I know many sales were ultimately lost. They always wanted to steer you to whatever was on the lot. If you lusted for a 383 4 speed coupe Road Runner, he’d do his best to convince you that light blue 318 Satellite sitting in the front row was what you really wanted. Some dealerships didn’t want anything to do with selling a 4 speed car to a young guy, they’d also would do their best to talk anybody out of buying a black car, how times have changed.
Why did they talk them out of buying a black car??
This dealer sold zero performance stuff, mostly green with tan interiors and tan with green interiors. One 4 bbl car the entire 1970 model year and it was an N code 1970 Charger, not even an rt.
@@rocketresto WOW that's insane. It's sad that the dealership isn't there anymore. I hate to see old family owned dealerships go away as well as their building destroyed. That's probably why i love your channel so much. You and your crew work so hard to keep these older cars on the road. TY.
Black really highlights any body panel imperfections, so they they would want to start with the straightest body they had, it was time consuming. I don’t have a body man’s eye, I’m essentially blind to all sorts of imperfections, but I had a friend, a body man who saw everything, he pointed out the quarter panel flaws that were on nearly every 69 Dart, then he pointed out the big flaw on my new 91 Ram drivers side box, and sure enough, every truck had the same big wave over the wheel.
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Pretty interesting
I had a 70 Dart that was sold new in St. Charles, IL that was built in Los Angeles, so destination has no bearing on what plant builds the car.
The data book is not wrong. 2.95 to 1 is the 1st gear ratio in the trans, likewise with the 3.02 to 1, those are not the rear axle ratios.
Ah, ok messed that up, thanks.
Very interesting video, and I have a couple of almost interesting and somewhat nerdy things I thought worth mentioning. I'm mainly a fuselage/formal c-body guy (from New Zealand), but was reminded of a couple of b-bodies I've had (one I still have) when watching this. Firstly, looking at the 3 speed manual Coronet 440, I have a '69 Coronet 440 hardtop in F5 that came as 3 speed manual column shift (with the standard 318), and with manual steering and brakes, and no vinyl top, but with AC (sold new in San Antonio), which is a really unusually spec'd car (not like anything I've ever seen). Other thing is that I owned an F3 '69 Coronet 440 hardtop that I bought in Washington that could very well be the car in the paperwork there. I just looked at all of my correspondence with the previous owner (from 2002), but can't see the vin number mentioned. When I get back from holiday I'll look through my old paperwork. The only thing that casts any doubt for me is that I don't remember whether it had the provision for headrests (it didn't have headrests, and I seem to think that it never did). Anyway, there ya go. Thanks for the entertaining video, great to delve into that stuff.
Just found a photo of the title and it's a different car, which is a shame, because I still know where the car is and it would have been cool to connect the car and the paperwork. I still have the very low/oddly optioned F5 one.
Three on the tree is a rare one, neat you still have it. Too bad that other one wasn’t the right car, would have loved to reunite the paperwork with it.
Gearing in the transmission not the rear end gears. 😮
Got it, my bad.
Cool stuff - in March ‘69 my dad bought a new ‘69 Polara 2 door that sat around since before Jan 1 (no headrests)- it had an odd cloth and vinyl interior that wasn’t in the parts book when I tried to buy a front seat hinge cover a couple years later…(or the parts guy was an idiot)
Probably the latter 😂
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The building is still there at Front and Railroad in Shelton...Maggie's Fresh Specialty Market and Jalisco Tortilla Factory now occupy this location...
I don't know if it would be the same color. In 1967 my Uncle bought a Fury III 4 door sedan, in the light green metallic. I do remember when he picked it up. He brought my grandmother my brother and myself. I remember my grandmother saying to my Uncle, Ron this car is so big. The car he had traded in was a 1964 Valiant V-100. He had the Fury for 3 years. He wanted to trade it in on a 1970. But the salesman was more interested in talking to someone on the phone about fishing. Uncle then went to the Ford dealer. He bought a 1970 Galaxie 500. He had a love hate relationship with that car.
That is a huge upgrade in size from an a body to a c body.
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cool. In the 198o's a friend of mine father was Gm at a BMW dealership. I wanted a new one and so did my boss at work and his brother. We got into the pick up at the factory special price and ordered 3 identical cars. I was working internationally so getting there was no problem, my boss either. We got a date from BMW and scheduled it. We got 4 cars, but they were 2 sets of 2 serial numbers with 4 numbers between. Yours is neater as they were differently optioned
Must have been cool to pick them up.
@@rocketresto It was very professional. Went out on the autobahn and drove to a place I knew for dinner. we were told to drive them they way you would normally drive but for the first 1000 miles keep checking the oil. We put the 1 k miles on it, shipped them back, they were taxed as used cars, lower rate. Drove the wheels off mine
@@robertfrye5161that would have been a lot of fun.
Tom, very good. I have a 1969 Dodge with export tag, it was shipped to Hawaii. Any info on that would be cool.
Hawaii shouldn’t be export so most likely ordered by a serviceman overseas then delivered to Hawaii.
I think LA built cars made it as far north as Washington State, but I believe that’s where it stopped, I don’t recall ever seeing an LA built car in British Columbia, our cars always seem to have come from Michigan.
Might have to do with discounted rail rates
I’ve seen LA built cars as far as Kansas before, don’t think they had a formula where they went but of course tried to send cars as close to the factory as possible. Of course some cars, b body convertibles for example, were only made at the St. Louis plant.
Boring invoice, lol 4 doors were fugly. I had a '68 Coronet 500 HT back in '70 - very nice car with all whistles and bells. I think they are much harder to find today than the RTs. Good job, though. 🚗
Two door 68-69’s were a much better looking roof.
@@rocketresto That C pillar from '68 to '71 was killer - what you would call compound radius - it would morph shape depending on what angle it was viewed at. Again good dissect forensic job, bub. 👍🏻
WL21 Coronet Deluxe was coupe only
WH21 or WH23 Coronet 440 trim was available as either coupe or hardtop.
Pretty sure all Coronet 440 2 doors had to be hardtops. Yes WL21 Deluxe coronet’s were coupes.
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I find this interesting, but very limited information is given out on old Dodge trucks. Or I'm not using the proper search phrases. Curious about production numbers on my '57 D-100. Might of been oddly optioned. 2 tone paint, white and green, V8, 2 speed push button. Told the wrap around rear window was rare, with the common long wheel base step side. Inside, drivers side armrest, and 2 sunvisors. The front trim I'm guessing is stainless, including the headlamp buckets.
Unfortunately don’t think much is available for the 57 trucks. Most of the research done has been muscle car years.
My dad had a 56 dodge 1/2 ton long narrow box pickup, coral and white V8 3 speed on the tree wrap around rear window. Must be rare I've only seen 2 since in 50 years.
Green was everywhere lol
They were all green 😂
Green was awesome! Still is.
That's it..What if two plants produce the same vehicles after the June 1968 re-tool? This! December 5, 1968 order date!
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Burn outs everywhere! Hahahaha
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Your videos are always so informational
Btw. I'm working on a 70 Monaco wagon 383 all numbers paperwork blah blah blah my own Instagram channel is wrapped around that car and my whole UA-cam now is wrapped around Rocket Restorations and Dead Dodge Garage 🎉🎉🎉
We have a 440 Monaco wagon we are working on right now.
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I will not stand for the F3 slander
You can keep your metallic pea.
Definately NOT!😡😡😡
This is why we shouldn’t allow foreign companies (conglomerates) to buy our legacy companies because they have no connection to the legacy and do what they have done to “our” heritage company that is Chrysler.
I have never owned one but I know how important they are to not just the automotive history of the country but the history in general.
How many people coming of age, how many views from the back seat of the Grand Canyon or to K-mart, no joke it’s gone, but it’s all part of us.
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