Breath of the Wild 2 Isn't In the Best Position Right Now...
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Breath of the Wild 2 will be great...but it's really got a lot going against it at the moment.
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Aonuma said, at the game awards, holding in his hand the game of year award: "We will put all of our energy into surprising you again". Can't stop thinking about that moment.
Hope is a dangerous feeling my friend.
@@Carcosahead Like Brooks did?
@@Carcosahead i
@@Carcosahead I have faith, after all, how many bad home console Zelda games are there ;)
And surprise us they did. When they cancelled a game guide
They said the game was being delayed so many times because they kept coming up with new ideas and wanted to expand the world more. It seems the game is just getting bigger and bigger as Nintendo works on it.
And remember this game supposedly syatyed off as an expansion for the original but just got to big.
@@switchplayer1016 are you sure you aren't confusing that with hollow knight silksong? Because that just sounds like the same thing they said.
@@Paradox1012 Yeah it was in one of the interviews after the reveal trailer of BOTW 2, they said they got too many ideas for DLC and decided to start making a new game.
maybe. After Cyberpunk I believe nothing
@@acrane3496 No it doesnt
The only thing that makes sense to me is they’ve expanded on the map drastically with sky, underwater, and underground zones that essentially double the map size and that’s why it’s taken so long to develop.
I think stuff also just got in the way of development. It’s more clear with Zelda than many of the other games recently because they announced Zelda so early, not when it was ready and done.
I also think they pushed it to spring more so to give the team breathing room, less than they needed all that time, but who knows?
This is my hope too. Although, I still worry that, even if the map is drastically bigger with a lot of new areas to explore, I worry it still won't be enough to justify making this a sequel in the same world. If there still isn't a big enemy variety, or if the combat system is still bare bones, if if the story is still a bit lacking, or if there aren't enough gameplay shakeups or innovations from the first game to give us some new mechanics to play with, or hell even if there are a ton of new areas, but like in BotW1 there's just not a lot to do in them, I worry this sequel will still come off as underwhelming. I really hope the actual reveal trailer will do good work to dissuade these worries.
No confirmation that we're getting underwater. But I hope we do, I think there was a lot of neat environments down there that we missed out on because we couldn't dive or sink to the bottom. I'd like to see more character development though, discoverable story (especially regarding the past) was also largely missed.
@@Tazer_Silverscar It's not confirmed, but I think it's pretty likely. They obviously have to know past Zelda games have had neat underwater areas accessible only by diving, I think it's confirmed it was planned but cut from BotW, and to add evidence to that, there literally chests in BotW you just straight up can't access because they're at the bottom of the sea, which probably means at one point they planned for players to be able to dive down a d get them.
Maybe we also activate the
5th divine beast the big whale underwater
I think the biggest thing Breath of the Wild has going for it to stand apart from Elden Ring is the movement tech. Nothing in Elden Ring felt as satisfying to me as being able to just climb up any mountain I see and traverse via paraglider. Elden Ring's world is also very oppressive by nature (and it rules), whereas Zelda is more calm and welcoming. Different flavors enough
I second this.
I was beyond hyped for ER but very disappointed, beat it yesterday.
Zelda on the other hand i had zero hype for - but it's one of the best games ever made.
I agree about the world in Elden ring. It mostly created a sense of vastness and that I'm about to die wherever I go lol. Most of Elden ring's satisfaction comes from the combat and overcoming obstacles. Botw the world was the biggest factor of enjoyment.
Absolutely. Elden ring was super fun for me, but exploration felt completely different.
You didn't find the Elden Ring world calm and welcoming? Odd.
I love Elden Ring, but I agree. I felt like I was punished for exploring more than I was rewarded, especially at the beginning of the game.
Nothing felt worse than struggling through a cave for 45+ mins only to be "rewarded" a weapon I didn't care about or couldn't use. Ended up just looking up the locations of the items I wanted and avoiding everything else. Still has a good time though.
I was just thinking it’s super weird that this is ending up having the longest development cycle ever for an asset-reusing sequel. I’m extremely excited but since Miyamoto talked about the physics engine being the main sticking point it makes you wonder what the heck they’re working on XD
while reusing saves time, you still just cant throw the stuff in randomly and call it a new area.
Likely the hardest stuff is that time reversal mechanic. Making an item go back along its path but be able to interact with and be interacted with by other objects is no small feat. Especially when starting with a physics engine that wasn’t built with that in mind.
@@OctagonalSquare Lol. its no different than stopping it from rolling and pushing it back. Only difference is you are using an item for it.
Yeah, saying “asset-reusing” wasn’t to diminish the hard work or anything! One could hope they’re creating all-new areas and mechanics (and story and dungeons) and adding new details and side content to the stuff already there lol
@@youtuberyoutuber2495 it is incredibly different. You are reversing its original path perfectly until it encounters a change, such as the bokoblins
I think the biggest things that Elden ring does for me that BotW doesn't are its sheer enemy variety and varied and creative locations that constantly kept me wowed with the designers' creativity. BotW 2 needs more enemies than just bokoblins, moblins, lizalfos and a few minibosses, and it needs more unique settings than the existing shrines and dungeons that all look exactly the same.
And much better weapon variety
@@thepoopman7876 That's a moot point since BOTW was never aiming for that. That's like saying a comparing Gran Turismo to Final Fantasy and saying "Well, Gran Turismo has much better driving mechanics". No duh.
@@Xeno_Solarus they still could’ve had more than 3 weapon types. And yes, combat is a MAJOR part of the game. There wouldn’t be 20 damn tests of strength if it wasn’t.
Even with it's huge beastiary, Elden Ring still reuses a lot in order to fill up it's world and this is really seen in some of the smaller, late game areas. But even than it still had plenty of crazy setpieces all the way up to the final boss it seems.
There's one thing about BoTW's open world that is still special today: the freedom of traversal. Being able to climb anything is very special. The paraglider is also amazing.
...and then it rained...AAAHHHHH
@@NathanialStepford not a problem if the wall is slightly slanted. Just whistle run up
Genshin Impact also has every climbable surface plus gliding. Without rain slipping. And it has a better item system for collectibles.
@@amandaslough125 Genshin doesn't have rain slipping?
I was so certain that the traversal was just copy pasted from BotW that every time I've needed to climb something in the rain I've just skipped time until the rain stops... I've been playing since 2.1 released and I only just learned this now.
@@amandaslough125 just a shame it's so... monetized... so incredibly monetized...
Imagine stocking up items and food on the ground and then clearing dungeons in the sky? Imagine a special tree on a floating island that bears a super rare fruit? Imagine SKY TEMPLE?!
Yeah, imagine all that... so you can set yourself up for disappointment.
Maybe but the tree part I don’t think so
Is the 'special tree on a floating island that bears a super rare fruit' a reference to Gravity Rush?
They definitely announced it too early, and it's natural that hype has fizzled out after this long, but I'm not worried at this point. Like you said, it's going to be good at baseline, and I can imagine a number of ways that they can make the world feel fresh. Imagine starting the game in a newly born Hyrule Castle Town as a recognized hero who everyone loves. Imagine having a Tarry Town-style progression where you slowly help rebuild Castle Town over the course of the game. Imagine that Purah, who no longer has to devote all her time to studying Guardians, devotes herself instead to improving the lives of those around here and turning Hateno Village into a tech-driven hub for innovation.
What if Sidon really grew into his own as the leader of the Zora, and by the time we get back there they've become the leading economic power of the world? They've built more majestic bridges, started running trade caravans between Hateno Village, the new Castle Town, and Kakariko Village. Instead of sneaking around a Lynel, you're tasked with clearing road obstructions, finding rare treasures to sell, or escorting a merchant.
Imagine every town having space to breathe and grow into full cities now that the Calamity is no more.
And when all of that becomes too mundane, don't forget that we have the mystery of Ganondorf's return and the Lands in the Sky. We have ruins underground and a corruption strong enough to ruin the Master Sword. There's so much that this game can be!
well I can guarantee we won't se any of the town building. this takes place directly after botw so there isn't enough time. however a interesting idea would be things rising underground to the surface. or going back in time to when hyrule was pristine. That is one of the few things i can see taking so much time is the rebuilding of all of hyrule but in the past. Or maybe there are massice cities underground and in the sky. but 6 years in a long ass time.
I agree to an extend, though I doubt Castle Town will see a rebirth since its castle has risen above ground and is probably a center of evil now, in BOTW2.
However expanding hubs such as Hateno, Tarrey Town, etc and having interaction between them would be a welcome sight.
@@UltimateTobi The thing is a lot of the world is in a bad place right now compared to 2016. Most people's minds are zeroed in on long term survival now. Being a survivalist is no longer about a big bunker with guns. Almost anyone can be a 'survivalist' even in the city and people are turning to that.
@@kylehill1523 I think you commented under the wrong video to the wrong guy.
Not that what you wrote is wrong. Just that it doesn't pertain to anything said or written in the video or these comments.
Basically we're still waiting for the games major twist/gimmick. If parts of the world are still similar to the original then that will weaken the exploration to some degree so hopefully we see some crazy changes. We really need to see a great expansion to the game's bestiary with proper new enemies, Bokoblins with larger horns on top of a Stone Talus is neat but it's still those same enemies again just in a new formation. Also needs to expand on the weapon variety in general, especially for bow and shield types.
Also yeah Elden Ring raised that bar a ton. It's kind of a blessing in disguise that BoTW2 got delayed because playing it in the same year as Elden Ring would honestly weaken the experience imo. Need that break before it comes out I think.
By what I could tell, the major gimmick is using specific travel points to move between Hyrule and what is presumably Ancient Hyrule. I have concerns about how this will impact the freedom of exploration. I am assuming Link's new "magical arm" has other uses, but this seems to be the primary thing.
(For reference, check the part of the second trailer featuring the phantom water droplet, with Link boosting into Skyworld right after.)
@@zombiezoe4533 I hate to sound like a real nerd about it, but the developers reusing the mechanical arm from the old beta designs is super cool. I love to keep fantasizing about some special animations and details. Like Link punching a chest with the mechanical arm and it gets some recoil from the impact, or not feeling any pain hitting the chest. I could imagine the mechanical arm being on Link's left arm so that he could learn how to improve his swordsmanship with his new arm. I could go on and on but it may not even be in final or anything. Sorry for the rambling. Have a nice day.
@@kyaban5192 definitely check out some of the videos a channel called Monster Maze did on the new patents, I think you'll love them
@@zombiezoe4533 yes but why time travel? Because Zelda dies at the beginning and you gotta reverse time to save her. No? That’s the vibe I get. Probably go back and fight with the champions in their prime.
@@elementsofphysicalreality I get the idea that its similar to how Link gets a major injury and goes dormant for the ICONIC 100 years. He gets his arm severed in BOTW2 then gets the arm...? But yea time travel and the ancient hyrule sounds amazing. We kinda got that taste in Age of Calamity but that was a direct time skip PLUS that dumb little time travel guardian that i hate for some reason, even if its cute. But for BOTW2 I think we can just dissect everything just for our own interpretation. Thats what gets me so excited about it.
Honestly, my hype was through the roof when we got the first teaser. It was a spooky themed new location. New and scary were both things I was excited to see in Zelda. When they showed the next trailer my worry set in a bit seeing familiar territory. I really hope there's enough new to keep things exciting and fresh
I’m also hopeful that people will be in the middle of reestablishing the old towns, and we start to see Tarry teach how to make homes like his. Because as I progress I want new towns to appear. Like one to teach new fighting techniques, one to hone in an weapon to strengthen it etc etc. Something to search for.
I want to see Hyrule Castle Town return
I...his name isn't Terry
@@breadwinner80 you’re right Hudson. It had been a while since I played. But the idea of Tarrey Techniques could still be awesome.
The reused map is only a fraction of this world, though. The sequel also has all those floating islands and will probably expand into those underground areas as well.
It has the same artstyle (for obvious reasons), and people barely know anything about the sequel, so until proven otherwise, BOTW 2 is looking just ok and very similar.
Saying a "fraction" seems inaccurate. It seems more like the reused map is going to take up most of the game.
You don’t really know that the reused overworld will only be a fraction of the whole world though.
How do you know it's only a fraction? And the island skies don't seem all that big tbh
We don’t know that.
Personally, I can't wait for it. I keep wondering what they're going to do with BotW2, especially ever since the delay video mentioned that "the adventure in this sequel will take place not just on the ground as in the previous game, but also in the skies above. However, the expanded world goes beyond that."
That one line made me hope they'll tie in more stuff related to the Twilight Realm, what with Wolf Link and everything... Probably a pipe dream, but lemme dream, damn it!
I don't need anything groundbreaking though, just something that can continue the love I felt for BotW.
this is the best answer
The Twilight Realm would be very cool to see. I was hoping they'd bring back Termina, but now that I think about it, I'd rather they bring back the Twilight Realm. We didn't really see much of it in Twilight Princess.
I doubt it. They aren't gonna have the Twilight Realm for the same reason they aren't gonna have trains or a 3 day time system. The expanded world is most likely referring to underground areas that aren't generic shrine rooms. Perhaps something like Elden Ring where there is entire biomes and interconnected systems underground. Perhaps there is some sort of system where gannon's corruption spreads throughout the land and it makes navigation between major regions much harder or even impossible. You then have a reason to explore the sky and underground to navigate between regions. I also wouldn't be surprised where scaling the castle after it starts floating will get you high enough to get your first visit to the skyworld.
Personally, i have 100% faith in their expertise. I truly believe that they put this time to very good use and give us something absolutely new and incredible again on top of what already made Botw great.
Maybe this comment is gonna age bad, but right now, i believe :)
#TheSequeltoTheLegendofZeldaBreathoftheWildGamefortheNintendoSwitchFamilyofSystems is such a needlessly long tag and I love it
This is exactly how fromsoft fans felt waiting for Elden Ring. I remember when people in the community were joking about how it doesn't exist and was a collective fever dream lol. So I definitely understand where your coming from.
True, this happens with a lot of big releases these days. XD
*flashbacks to the silksong is out/doesn't exist insanity from r/hollowknightmemes intensify*
It's funny how many people I knew had absolutely ZERO faith in Elden Ring, including me. Sure the industry kept constant buzz around it, but the game arguably had even LESS out there about it until 2021 then BOTW2 does now, a year before it's (hopeful) release. Anyone who wasn't already hyped just based off the premise of open-world Fromsoft had NOTHING to justify the hype for years. And it turned out so good that I and I'm sure many others who had no interest in Souls games before were drawn in and obsessed, truly exceeding the expectations of both the hypers and the naysayers. I hope BOTW2 can do the same.
@@chuckbatman5 I've been tempted to get the game lol. I've just been hesitant, both because it's intimidating and because I know I'll lose a lot of my life to it.
@@jordanertz3034 Im 60 hrs into my 1st playthrough and im pretty sure in not even half way through. It soes th whole off the beaten path thing so well. I tried Margot once decided to come back in a bit and spent 20 hrs exploring one island pretty much.
I've just learned to be patient until we see more of the game and when it comes out and then I'll judge if the game is good, also I can agree that not every Zelda game has to be a massive game like how we have the 2D top down titles which are very enjoyable in their own right. I'm just expecting BOTW2 to be the same but with more and if anything massive to the game is added then it's a welcome addition.
besides, it's not like this is the only game we're waiting on that's coming up, there's tons of other games to look forward to
If this is anything like BotW1 is, its going just fine. Remember that our first reveal of that game was when we were also given the first teaser for Super Mario Maker, several years prior to its actual release.
Lol yer hypertext failed bot
Totally different situation. We are most likely getting a BotW 1.5 after waiting 3+ years. It would be fine if it came out around now or sometime in 2022 but at this rate its gonna be out in 2023 or 2024 and getting a game with the same map. The wait would be worth it if we were getting a proper new game
@@AceSimGaming thank you acesim gaming for being the realistic voice of authority we needed in this trying time
It’s too early to see if it’s going to be that similar. I’m excited but cautious. They keep hinting that they’re hiding large significant portions of the game. But how large how significant. I hope it’s good. Give me the deets
what if its IS just BotW1 tho
Man I hope BOTW 2, silksong and all the other amazing games we're waiting for just miraculously release at the same time at the beginning of July, which is conveniently when all of my exams finish.
I finished my finals in May, hoping at the very least the Cowabunga Collection comes out some time in June.
I actually wouldn’t want silksong and Botw specifically to realease next to each other because I don’t want to have to choose between playing either one.
Finishing my exams just before July too, so glad xenoblade 3 got moved to then because now I'll have ages to play it
They already said Spring 2023. BotW2 would not release in july if they stick with that
Nah, I don't wanna have to choose between them lol, I rather they releas a month or two apart
Zelda always surprises me but its hard to imagine how they could refine it far enough to feel like an evolution. Im sure they'll blow away my expectations but i am kinda concerned with how they'll capture anywhere near the magic of botw
A longer wait i think has ony skyrocketed people's expectations
BotW has plenty of room to improve imo. They'll blow everyone away.
If they do loftwings like they did horses in breath of the wild ( but with less movement limitations ) it would fit the theme of floating islands, and be something different then the OG. For me that could give it a leg up on Elden ring because of faster movement between areas and/or offer a different kind of open world experience.
Oh my gosh, Loftwings in BOTW2 would be AMAZING. As someone who was never down on the flying in Skyward Sword, I give this all my yes.
@@RacingSnails64 Wouldn't it be !? I like to imagine how combat on a Loftwing would work. They've got so much potential to do new things with them and it would be such a shame to have only had them in Skyward Sword for an idea with so much potential.
@@Bukungus Hence why they pushed for SSHD to get people familiar with BOTW2's loftwing system. They didn't make SSHD buttons only for the fun of it.
@@kylehill1523 mayhaps
It already has a leg up on Elden ring just from its physics system and traversal system which is miles better than Elden ring’s
meanwhile im over here still waiting for Pikmin 4
It’s not a good sign when that just brought memories back of me a few years ago thinking they were finally going to announce pikmin 4 and it still hasn’t happened.
never happening bro, just play pikmin 2 kaizo
There’s a new Pikmin Mobile game coming out if you wanna check that out
miyamoto made a shirt XD
Breath of the wild 1 also took like a billion years, I trust it and to be honest I'm still fully hyped
It is concerning however that it should have been easier. It was reusing the same engine and likely a great number of assets.
I fear there was major feature creep.
In 2023 the wait between Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild will be equal to the wait between BotW 1 and BotW 2. Crazy to think about!
@@WasatchWind I feel like the overall success of botw wasn't guaranteed and when it happened they decided for botw2. There weren't initially enough ideas to justify a sequel. I hope there's feature creep because botw 1 was great but I played botw1. I want mire mechanics and abilities to work with and not just a retread.
@@ramofeldduckington6257 The wait between Breath of the Wild 1 and 2 will be longer.
@@ramofeldduckington6257 that's a wrong reference point, the previous Zelda main game before Botw wasn't skyward sword, it was A Link Between Worlds.
Back then the same team used to develop the handheld and the home console Zelda games, so the team effectively took 4 years to develop it.
Now they haven't been doing anything else, probably it's a consequence of the pandemy.
BOTW2 needs dungeons, side dungeons, caves, secret dungeons and lots of these, and make each dungeon HUGE and elaborate. They need to make link able to swim underwater where he can find secret ruins to explore, caves and side dungeons underwater. They need more towns with more to do inside besides buying a few arrows. They need a main city that's HUGE, thriving with people, things to do, tons of quests and other smaller cities elsewhere.
BOTW2 needs to put places to explore within these big cities, like secret underground labrinths, sewer systems and secret tunnels that go all over beneath the city. Guilds to join, maybe a secret fighting arena underground Link could join. They have 32GB cards, they should fill it to max capacity...CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT!
And NO WEAPON BREAKING!!!
YES. For the first game, I get the fact the world was supposed to feel empty, but it finally got to a point after I finished all the divine beasts, I obviously spent countless hours exploring…. But I eventually put it down because I got bored, I can only fight the same monsters (but harder) so many times and do so many of those shrines before getting so disillusioned 🥲 I’d love a game with all similar mechanics and new ones of course, but with cool challenges and quests and as you said DUNGEONS 😭 🤞
No please no sewers😫
@@eddie4204 YESSS...the entire game is one giant sewer. With giant rat bosses and smelly turds everywhere! ROFL! 'Breathe of The Sewer'!🤣🤣🤣
@@mattfayne9691 over tripled lmao
I think the major difference between botw and ER is that although similar, they approach their open worlds with fundamentally different philosophies.
Elden Ring: Dense world design, environmental storytelling/worldbuilding and lots of things to do/look at
BOTW: Plain Air, Open exploration, with a focus on specific set pieces.
I liked Elden Ring, thought it was amazing, but there was such a myriad of activities, enemies, and attention to detail that I found myself getting overloaded at times. I think BOTW has a lighter approach and really lets the world sit and breath.
Elden Ring has a lot of areas on the map that are either disconnected from the rest of the map, meaning you need to find a teleporter to reach it, or areas blocked off from going directly to it, so you have to find a path around the back. So it feels different to how you can go anywhere in BotW as long as you cram enough stamina food for climbing. So Elden Ring's world feel like a puzzle or labyrinth at times, where you have to figure out how to even reach an area.
@@ShallBePurified
And personally I like the puzzle.
Not to sound overly critical and ambitious but I feel like if BotW 2 comes out and it does the same thing because I feel like the underground area (if we get one) would be more of a maze and we may even just go to different places in time, people better acknowledge that they're both of similar quality. It feels like people are trying to say the "disconnected" world of ER is a bad thing by design rather than just different.
@@shyguyrocks1 I never said the way Elden Ring's world was designed was a negative. I found it very fun trying to figure out how to get to an area. In a way, it kinda feels like an outdoor dungeon.
Ah dude I’m in the same boat elden ring has in every corner of the world something weird and new to see where botw had the same enemies and puzzles over and over. Gosh I hope they step up to the challenge, I’m so nervous about it….
I think you guys are overthinking this....
Game is doing just fine.
I think they'll be adding A LOT of new areas to the map, and changing many old areas as well.
They'll update the textures, shading and etc.
They're adding ALOT to the story and etc.
Elden Ring might be a great game. But it's not BOTW, just like BOTW isn't Skyrim.
I think you guy are severely underestimating the devs abilities and awareness.
I one million percent agree
Yea.. what's he thinking honestly? That they'll just switch out the 100 shrines and 4 divine beast and call it a day? lol
I do hope they update the textures. Especially the environmental textures.
I mean... you don't really know that tho.
@@seanrodrigues8184 Why make a whole new game if the amount of changes only amount to DLC? All the cost for cartridges, packing and shipping wouldn't be worth it.
And from what we've already seen, there's a lot there, and then they added more.
I think people forget that the whole reason why this game even exists in the first place is because the Dev team had so many ideas and things that they wanted to do, that they decided it would be best to just make a whole new game.
The base engine, physics, models, animations and graphics are all already there. From there you build, change and add more, which is easy compared to stating completely brand new from scratch.
Building the engine alone took years of development time by itself. Now that they got it, they'll be focusing mostly on the cosmetic side of things.
If people are gonna be upset that BOTW2 isn't BOTW2: Elden Ring, then don't buy the game and go play some more Elden Ring.
But if you like Zelda, then stfu, sit back, relax and enjoy the game when it comes out. It will be a fun and enjoyable experience will worth your time and money.
To think, people feel as though the team who was ambitious enough to make the first game will slack off on the 2nd game. Smh
Edit: As much as I like Arlo, sometimes I hate him for the stupid things he talks about in videos. Literally nobody had concerns for the quality of this game until he made this video fear mongering about it. All the proof I need to know this game will be good is that first teaser trailer they showed a few years back. That by itself sold me that this was gonna be a whole new experience.
The dead silence about this game is the most worrying part, we don’t even know what we’re supposed to be excited about except that you can go through ceilings
Well, as was said in this video, there will probably be a giant reveal soon about the game, it just kinda makes sense to do so with the timing and they should have sufficient vertical slices to make a good trailer by now
and speedrunners regularly clip through stuff anyway lol
We don’t even have the title yet….. there is still so much we don’t know, so there’s a lot to look forward to
Japanese devs are a silent bunch.
I have been playing these games since i was old enough in around 89-90, and have always found something to love with each game. Nintendo has earned my patience, and even more so, my confidence, when it comes to Zelda
While I can understand the concerns with this, I can remember many people having similar feelings about the original too. And now we look back and wonder what all the fear was for. The best way to go about it is to just take the game for what it is, we have these expectations because of it being a sequel, now we just gotta wait until we get our hands on it
Yeah but it shouldn't take as long as the original since they have all the assets already. And if theyre pushing it back for the next gen console again thats just as bad for me cause I can't afford getting every system at launch
Yes botw was still released on wiiu and if they are delaying botw2 til next gen they will likely still release it on switch but it will be the inferior version
@@niconoodles6989 It's true they have the assets, but who's to say they aren't just making the game better with more content? Gameplay in the sky as well as the caves being added to nirmal grounded combat makes for a lot of change, as well as different weapons and the system being tweaked as a whole. It's not just a copy paste, it's added on to as well as being changed for the better. I don't think there's anything to fear regarding this
Ehhh. We got a full trailer in 2016 and the game was released in early 2017. It wasn't that big of a wait. We're currently waiting a year between trailers.
Not the problem. We've seen so much of the original before release. BotW releases 2023 (supposedly) and we've seen less than 5 minutes of the game?
THAT'S the problem. 7 months left and we have seen THIS little of it?
My hype has for sure flatlined, but I think an awesome trailer showing what’s different or unique about the game would resurrect it for me
pov: they show it in 2 weeks
Ah yes, the Arlo classic
Isn't e3 not happening this year? Or is nintendo still doing a direct?
@@LunaSquirtle I think they canceled E3 this year
@@heyitstomhere yeah thats what i thought
Yes, E3 is canceled but you can’t really be thinking a direct won’t happen. It’s probably filmed all ready.
The issue is twofold. Firstly, they announced this way too early. Making us wait this long with the anticipation that it would come out soon exasperated the fatigue in waiting.
Secondly, as Arlo said, considering the amount of time it took for the first game took LESS time than the direct sequel based off it is a major factor in why I’m very worried for the game. By the time this game comes out, it will have been 6 WHOLE YEARS since BOTW 1 came out. If you want to factor in COVID, you could take a year or two out of total development time (which is being very generous as development didn’t halt, just slowed down) then that would mean they have still had over 4 years of development to make a game with which is foundation has already been laid.
I’m sure it’ll be great, but I’m doubting it’s ability to meet expectations and Nintendo is not helping by giving us literally next to no substantial information on the game 3 years after its announcement.
You better pull up, Nintendo.
it does give me a bit of hype honestly
Yeah im honestly hyped not knowing anything
Well they developed DLC until December.. so I guess it's safe to say that they only started in 2018.
Then as you said covid hit 2 years into developement which certainly slowed down things tremendously and was a challenge in itself.
Who'd know.. without covid we might already be playing the game xD
@@basti__ No dlc 2 was probably already done or near the middle of development by the time botw came out. They would have already had started the second game by the time dlc1 came out. at least idea wise. so in reality is was like 5 and a half years
@@blanexblaze6510 we're all just speculating and can only go by release dates if at all.. so that's that
I'm going the Elden Ring route at this point.
In that, I'm going to eventually forget this is supposed to release, so I'll be surprised when I hear it's finally coming out. And hopefully it'll be just as epic lol
After I finished Ocarina of Time for the first time on my 3DS, I considered it my favorite game of all time. Later, when I finally beat Dark Souls 1 for the first time after coming back to it after giving up on it years earlier, it became my new favorite game of all time. I played through the game a few times, and I bought and played through Dark Souls III multiple times as well.
When I played Breath of the Wild at release, I became completely obsessed with it, and I definitively considered it my favorite game of all time, easily beating out every game that came before.
I was really excited for Elden Ring, and played it the very minute it released. I’ve beaten it now, and I really enjoyed it. I think it’s the one of the best open-world games of all time, but even though I had hoped it could become my new favorite game, I still prefer Breath of the Wild.
Maybe it’s because Elden Ring is so similar to Dark Souls III, but Elden Ring didn’t give me anywhere near the thrill and excitement of exploration that Breath of the Wild did.
With the world from BotW being reused in the sequel, I do worry about if it will be able to capture the same feelings I had while playing BotW, and I don’t see how that’s possible, but I’ll just hope that the folks at Nintendo have figured it out.
I think the vision for the game expanded during development.
It was likely planned to be a quicker turnaround like Majora's Mask, but formed into something much different
I’m really hoping for a dark world or a time element like they’ve done in many of their other games. This would explain the long wait time. They could use the same places but it would be exciting to see them in a different light.
How did Eldin Ring improve on the open world aspect? Seemed no different to me than your typical open world game. No climbing, no gliding, you're limited to only being to go where you can physically walk. What groundbreaking thing did it introduce?
I'll give elden ring this, the world is beautiful and the exploration is the best I've seen along with HUGE map.The enemy ai is so impressive on how it can detect you even when you think you being sneaky. But that's where it ends for me. No climbing, No crazy physics to play with, the story is there but you have to connect so many dots to make sense of it (or look at a lore video) Not to mention the unforgivable difficulty which just made me put the game down after I got to the last area. At least this taught me that souls like games aren't for me 😅. (It does deserve the praise though)
Elden Ring highly encourages exploration and greatly rewards the player for taking risks and looking in every nook and cranny. You are constantly rewarded for taking a chance.
The world itself feels alive too. It never feels like groups of enemies that are placed somewhere as an obstacle. It feels like they have a purpose in the world.
Boss encounters being randomly in the open world was fantastic. Riding along on Torrent and then boss music and a health bar showing up were very exciting. It really kept me on my toes and made me always prepare for the road ahead in ways other open world games would just have that section for traversal and that's it.
There's a great sense of verticality in Elden Ring. Absolutely massive cave systems. The base map. And high mountain top areas. The game just keeps opening up more and more.
The map is absolutely massive and not just big for the sake of being big. There's legitimate stuff to do and see in damn near every corner of the map. It's not just huge sections of empty grass lands and that's enough to be considered "game play"
The stuff to do isn't as repetetive as say a Ubisoft game where there's dozens or even hundreds of things to do but you're basically doing the same 5 actions over and over again.
And to directly compare it to BOTW there's significantly more gameplay styles. People have gotten creative with BOTW but in Elden Ring just has so many different options to mess around with.
All in all I'll say I can understand some people not understanding or enjoying Elden Ring but for me I found it to be considerably better than BOTW in just about every way. I am slightly biased I suppose because I didn't like BOTW much to all though so take that for what you will.
@@darkkazoka122 For me the lack of climbing and gliding really hinders the exploration. It feels like you can only go somewhere by taking the intended path. You can't analyze a cliff face to see if you climb it.
@@moomoocupcakes I'm definitely in the camp where I don't understand why people like Eldin Ring so much. I'm happy that people enjoy it, don't get me wrong.
I think the world looks great, the enemy designs are great, a lot of effort was clearly put into the game, but it's held back by the (deliberately?) sluggish and janky gameplay.
You say BotW has less gameplay styles, and I'll agree with that, but what is there feels much more responsive and consistent to me. Just my taste, though.
@@shad0wsibling Elden Ring definitely needs just a bit more polish but I think it will get there. I didn't understand the hype of the Souls games for the longest time until Dark Souls 1 clicked with me and then I was hooked. It's definitely a more tactical game than I think a lot of outsiders think it is.
For me BOTW is held back substantially by the combat. Yeah the inputs are more responsive but weapons constantly breaking and having such short usage time really detracted from even wanting to engage with any enemy. I think the game is a huge step forward for Nintendo but in the gaming sphere I personally don't think it's as impactful as many would claim. Not trying to say it's not a good game or doesn't deserve praise (it does have good elements). I just think it gets hyped up more than it would if it were called literally anything else.
Totally agree with your thoughts on this, great to hear you summarize the concerns about this long long development. My only disagreement is that I can’t relate to your feeling about the Switch being “old.” In a landscape where retro games like Hades and Deadcells are acclaimed I don’t see why less than cutting edge graphics ruins the glory of what BotW2 can bring to the table.
And another thing: the idea that they’ll stop having breaking equipment is ridiculous. That is a feature of BotW imo, not a drawback.
Those aren't retro games.
@@NuiYabuko graphically undemanding, then.
You're right that a game's artstyle tends to matter more than cutting-edge graphics, but although Hades is very stylistic it's far from "retro."
Arlo I feel you too as a hardcore Zelda fan. I haven't been too excited for the sequel because we really don't know much. Breath of the Wild was so hype to me when it was coming out but when it released and I beat it I was disappointed. The story that I love to experience in Zelda games wasn't really there for me, and they removed so much of what I enjoyed about the more traditional titles (dungeons, items, meaningful side quests, lots of minigames). Maybe it's just that I don't enjoy open world games as much as linear ones but still I do really want to see Nintendo tell an involved story and brush up on the combat in the sequel
on one hand, they've never made a bad 3D zelda game.
on the other hand, Elden Ring really did do literally all the things I wanted from a BOTW sequel. Fromsoft has finally hit their stride in the public eye, and therefore, Zelda team finally has an actual competitor for "best development studio out there"
also, after 6 years I can't imagine they're actually re-using the map. If they do actually re-use the map that's going to be a huge fail
All it’s gonna take is a title reveal trailer with some meat, and the hype train will be at all time highs all over again. Hell, the six seconds of footage they showed in the delay video was enough to excite us all, so imagine what a real trailer will do?!
Was it? That delay trailer snippet was not exciting for me. The E3 2021 trailer also did nothing for me because it looked like a rehash (they even reused stone talus). I was pretty hyped at the first trailer with mummy ganondorf tho.
Agreed. With how long it's taken they surely have a ton of stuff to tease with in a meaty new trailer and still keep enough hidden until release so it doesn't feel like anything was spoiled. I'm still excited for it.
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Perhaps it didn’t excite you, but it caused a pretty substantial bout of excited speculation within the Zelda community. Hell, hour long theory videos have spawned from those short seconds😂😂😂
Arlo videos are so charming, there's something so fun about seeing a blue puppet talk Nintendo mannerisms and all. Never change Arlo!
He's one of a kind. So glad to have him.
I am honestly still hyped and I am ok with them reusing the map, it's so huge. I've been playing the game for over two years and I still think there are places I haven't explored fully.
My only concern is that the first part set the bar so high, the sequel could never live up to it. Let's hope I'm wrong.
I disagree the first game didn't set the bar way too high. For how great the game is it has a lot of issues or mechanics that could be improved. Especially with the release of Elden RIng things BOTW2 can improve on is even more apparent to many people
Honestly I don't see how the game can be any worse than the first though that may be my optimism talking, if they just innovate and expand and improve the bad they already have then we will get a fantastic game
I’d disagree. There’s a lot it can improve on: actual dungeons, a good story, better music, better reward system for quests (instead of just rupees), and also the difficulty (in which the game got super easy as you progressed through the game).
In all honesty, it _could!_ The question is: will they exercise!?
It's probably gonna be an Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask situation. In many people's eyes Ocarina is the superior game, but Majoras Mask doesn't try to create that same experience, it goes for hitting you with a different experience
The key is to go into hype hibernation between trailers until about a month or two before the game.
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I do understand the concern of having it live up to the original, but i honestly just want more botw, whether there's a lot more or just some new additions, more botw to walk around in fields and towers for hours is fun enough for me, the sequel for botw has quite low standards for me, at least for someone only really interested in gameplay
Exactly! Me too
What I want to see is new runes. Each rune was so important, so even like two would make a massive difference
The most i want out of it is more or different runes, and more side quests with decent rewards rather than just rupees, and more shrines, rather then that, just nit picky stuff like change how enemy camps are done, like keep ones with weaker enimes instead of after getting through the game making everyone tougher
Two completely different campaign of thought innthe comments
@@Matanumi it's because some people played other Zelda games and some people started with botw, so their opinions vary greatly
I’m still excited for Zelda. It was one of my favorite series growing up. I kind of like that Nintendo mostly doesn’t listen to the fan base. I think creative freedom has allowed their company to stand out from the crowd over and over again because they aren’t chasing trends/focusing on making a certain formula and perfecting it until it’s used up.
While you are right, that some people won’t give the game another chance if some things aren’t fixed (which is a shame) that is completely up to them. If we want new experiences, we should let Nintendo surprise us/show us what we didn’t know we wanted all over again. That’s what creates that magic feeling when you play one of their games. While they won’t always land, and/or won’t be what we hoped or wanted (sometimes it’s just not good), I would place my bets on Nintendo being more reliable for fun, unique games, more than any other company in the video game industry.
I won’t deny that as a company Nintendo seems tone deaf sometimes. They refuse to listen on long running issues. For the most part I would say that is a bad thing. But I’m kind of glad they don’t when it comes to how they design and get feed back for their games. Not a lot of companies have the type of freedom Nintendo has creatively.
While I also want them to perfect each of their games formulas, and make the best version of each game (remakes of classic titles updated, sequels to games that only touched the surface of what they could mechanically do, old ip’s getting new games, etc), I think it’s good that they wait until they have new ideas that they want to try before bringing the game out. That’s why you always hear Nintendo say in interviews (generically) that they ‘wanted to make a new f-zero, but didn’t have any new ideas, or thoughts on where said series should go, so they chose not to make the game’ I actually really appreciate that.
The industry standard right now is more along the lines of: fans want a new game in said series: (think halo, call of duty, assassins creed, etc) they rush out the same kind of game with nice graphics. To me, that’s where you lose the magic. The reasons those games were so much fun originally is because they used to be the greatest or best at one point in their respective categories of games. But now their formulas have gone stale.
Keep doing you Nintendo.
I still have retained my hype from the first announcement trailer, partially because I don't own something that can support Elden Ring, or any of the other huge open world games, so to see a new one coming to Switch is still exciting. There's also the factor of me being a recent Switch-owner, so I haven't played BOTW for as long, so some of it still feels fresh and new. But I see your perspective Arlo. But still, if the game turns out to be a BOTW 1.5, that would still disappoint me. There are quite a few things I think they could do, and if they simply don't build on the world (apart from the sky) then that would lead to a disappointing game.
Elden ring gave me similar joy of exploration that breath of the wild did. Just seeing the world is a huge part of the fun. Elden ring is worth buying a used ps4 for!!
So Arlo, I say this with respect for you, what you do, and out of respect for your opinion. I think you're being a little bit unfair to Breath of the Wild 2.
I get it, I've personally felt my hype levels for BotW2 go down as well. However, bear in mind that we still know next to nothing about this game right now, and we've only had two teasers shown. We have no idea just how massive of a game this will actually be, and I think the real reason why people are feeling worried about the sequel is two factors.
One, it's a sequel, which already low bars expectations for essentially being the same thing, but again. Two, they're reusing the overworld, which begs the question for many people of how much of the game will be new.
But let's use this logic for a sec. Take into consideration that BotW 2 is a sequel that reuses the overworld that worries you so much, and think about the fact that despite them reusing such a major aspect of the original game, it's still taking them 6 years to make the game. Isn't that reason to believe that there's a lot more to this game than what we already know? That despite them reusing so much of the original game, the amount of work being done is so big, that it's taking them this long to build it?
Sure, you can argue that it's probably due to development problems behind the scenes, and we certainly see that across the industry. But the Zelda series itself hasn't suffered from huge development issues in ages, and even the behind the scenes development issues that the series has seen hasn't been nearly as bad as other parts of the industry. The Zelda team has proven very clearly that they know what they're doing.
I think it's safe to say that the long development isn't due to troubles in paradise, I think it's more to do with the reason that the games developers themselves have stated from their own mouths. That the ideas they had for this game grew so much, that they transitioned it from being DLC to being a sequel. The devs themselves have stated that even now, the team still keeps coming up with ideas to make the game bigger and better. It seems to me that the long development isn't due to troubles development, it's because the game is a lot bigger than what we've seen.
Also, take a moment to consider the timing of the games delay to 2023. Don't you think it's odd that the game was delayed very shortly after the release of Elden Ring? Could it be coincidence? Sure. But I don't think so. I personally believe the devs are taking notes from that game, further coming up with ideas.
One could argue that it's too late in development to add more to the game, but history shows otherwise. The creator of Sonic recently stated that for the first Sonic game, they incorporated the mechanic of not being able to die so long as you had one ring mere weeks before the games release. He further clarified that late additions of this degree still commonly happen to this day. Same with Goldeneye on N64, the multiplayer it was famous for wasn't added in until a couple of weeks before release. Games still undergo developments, even more weeks or even days from launch, especially in the era of day one patches. It's not out of the question that the devs took notes from Elden Ring and decided to take an extra year to build on those ideas.
I think what's happening is you're latching too hard on that "reusing the world" aspect, and reading far too much into it. Just because they're reusing the world doesn't mean the game won't be able to keep said world interesting. You yourself have been an advocate of asset flipping, and I don't think reusing the world will negatively effect the game at all. Plenty of other games have done exactly that, and turned out to be great games regardless. A Link Between World's, Jak 3, Banjo-Tooie, and many other examples of great games that reused aspects of the world from the previous game while building on it to make it bigger and better.
The fact that development is taking this long and we still know next to nothing about it tells me that the lack of hype just harkens to being too worried about one specific thing about it that we do actually know about it. I think you're thinking way too much into that one aspect. Yes, BotW has a lot to live up to, but until we actually see the full reveal, I think it's unfair to so worried about it when we really haven't seen much of anything about the game aside from two teaser trailers.
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This comment is amazing, and shows another problem I have with Arlo, he’s too pessimistic and doesn’t consider all of the possibilities of something, he latches onto one aspect of something and holds onto it and it can cloud his judgement. That said he can still make a lot of good points, but in this review I kept thinking about how we don’t really know anything about botw 2, and my hype levels are just tempered right now because I am able to be patient for the sequel, but am excited all the same
@@captainpep3 >too pessimistic
Bro he said himself it's gonna be a good game just one that will leave many including himself underwhelmed
@@be2081 but he has nothing to go off of. I can understand the hype going down after all these years, but we know nearly nothing about the game and it feels like he is acting like he knows what it is going to be, he’s acting like the trailers we’ve gotten are all the game will be
I’ll be honest, I’ve been playing a lot of Elden Ring and I’m still incredibly excited for Botw2. I’m enjoying Elden ring a lot but it doesn’t capture the same magic I felt when I was playing Botw for the first time. And personally, so far from what I’ve played I still prefer botw. This isn’t a debate of which is better, I think that Elden ring does some things better than Botw does but I also think Botw does somethings better than Elden ring does. At the end of the day I think it’s down to what someone personally values more from a game. The switch’s weaker visuals/power still don’t bother too much me yet, and that could be because I always grew up with weaker hardware. But honestly l don’t think the two game series need to be competing with each other. I’d really like it if each did their own thing. That’s my own thought process at least. The game has been in development for 5 years and I just think that’s because they’ve been adding so much to it. I think there will be much more than just “Hyrule 1.5”
I agree, these two games really don't need to compete with each other.
Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring are both incredible games with very diffrent feels to them. I get they are playing with similar ideas like the interesting open worlds to explore and a lot of freedom on how you want to progress but you would still play them in very diffrent ways (I suppose).
Same. ER is great. But other than both being fantasy open world games with less than average handholding, they are vastly different experiences. I like ER but it wasn't an 'experience' the way that BOTW was. It doesn't captivate me the same way. I like botw's art style/direction and so the lesser graphical power doesn't bother me. ER has 'better graphics' but I prefer the way BOTW looks. I'm just more invested in the 'world' of BOTW 2. For reasons that are hard to put a finger on, botw still draws me in and captivates me with its world. Elden Ring feels like a big open world filled with stuff to kill but that's about it. It doesn't engage me the same way. It's not an empty world, just for me it doesn't pull me in.
I love both game usually when a video like this come out people who prefer zelda over soul will defend their favorite game in the comment section. I have way more funs with soul due to the fandom lore videos gameplay build, mods
@@MalzraAirwynn I completely agree, the experience I had with Botw is very different then the one I’m currently experiencing with ER I enjoy the difficulty and the much more grim tone. But I feel that botw overall left more of an impact on me because of the music, characters, and memorable locations. ER has bigger spaces to explore, more intense/rewarding combat, and a lot of grim atmosphere. Both games have their merits and flaws. However I’m more engaged with Botw because the games strengths appeal more to me personally.
But I would like more Elden Ring-like characteristics in the sequel. I would love large Hyrule Castle-like dungeons spread throughout the world and more enemy variety would really be appreciated as well.
The games are essentially different genres in terms of gameplay. While they are both open world frantasy games, however one allows the player to explore the map as they wish. while the other is fear based because you don’t know who or what is going to absolutely destroy you wherever you go.
Two things that will definitely help with the 'Same Map' issue are
1. the sky area, quite literally adding another layer to the exploration (and we'll probably also get some caves and _maybe_ underwater sections)
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2. given some time has passed, areas we've previously gone through will likely have some changes, like an improved Tarry Town, a more dug out Goron Mine, and possibly some settlements on the Great Plateau (though the staircase up would need to be dug out first)
For me the most underwhelming aspect of this new game is the fact that the art style and game itself is literally just a new build of the same BotW game we got in 2017. Obviously the game and story is going to different but I was personally hoping for something very different. Even Majoras Mask managed to look and feel very unique from Ocarina despite reusing all of its assets.
We have seen so little of the game that it’s basically impossible to tell to what extent it will feel like it’s own thing.
I'm 100% convinced the last BOTW2 delay is due to Elden Ring coming out and Nintendo going: OOOH SHIIIIEETTT
At this point FromSoft and Nintendo could just try to top each other back and forth and it would be a win win situation for literally all humankind.
I have to say... holy crap 16:44 scared me with the sudden music drop loool
I think I'm feeling the same way. I was super excited when it was revealed, but the years have taken the toll on my hype. Now, I feel like there's no way it will recapture the magic of the first one. I'm already predisposed against open worlds, and BotW was the exception for me.
I agree, it needs to have a story that pulls you in more so that even if your side questing you don't disconnect from the main plot. Also actual dungeons you can do in any order like in A Link Between Worlds.
5:46 I see the ice is broken, I'm watching it with you Arlo. Breaking it smashed the bokoblin to pieces.
I'm still very excited for the sequel. I am hoping for an all out all in crafting system armor weapons hell even arrows. I feel like that is something in itself that will pole vault the game back to the hype it deserves. Along with all the new areas being added I think we are in for one hell of a treat. *fingers crossed*
the clip with the lizard jumping off the cliff was the best part of this video lmao
BotW for me still has the unique interactive aspect to it that Elden Ring kinda lacks - no climbing, no physics-based stuff to mess around with. In that regard, BotW still is the superior open world to me, even if Elden Ring's world feels tighter in a lot of spots. The Great Plateau in the beginning of BotW is kinda what I'd compare large parts of Elden Ring to.
That said, BotW lacked a few key things for me - for one, more actual dungeons with unique asthetics. I want to stumble into a cave or forest that's laid out like an actual Zelda dungeon, not just 4 relatively short vaguely sci-fi looking physics-puzzles or 120 even shorter puzzles. Elden Ring, for the most part, was the same in that it had 3 amazing actual dungeons and the smaller ones felt almost procedually generated in their layouts and looks. BotW1 lacked a distinct Zelda feel to me even though I still think it's a good game.
BotW2 has quite a few things it can do to feel fresh or better than the first one. And if it takes longer, I'm fine. The one thing I'm worried about is that they're delaying it for some new console, like they seemingly did with the first game.
I agree entirely.
The fact that they're still taking their time even if they're reusing assets is kind of a positive for me.
What game company nowadays just reuses the same assets and calls it a day? So if they're adding more than that's a plus for me.
Also, Elden ring makes me hope Nintendo adds dungeons to the world. Please the shrines weren't enough.
I hated the shrines which is such a large part of the game 😪 I just hope the new one is fuller and yes, more dungeons 😭
It also stands as a testament to Aounuma's love for Zelda (ALttP got him into game design, ffs).
Literally been having this exact discussion with my friends for months, and I haven’t even played Elden Ring yet. But just seeing screenshots and short videos of what it’s like… yeah, it looks absolutely stunning. Not just Elden Ring, but also Horizon Forbidden West and other upcoming games are just pretty massive competition.
My hype for Zelda is lower than its ever been and I’m a little nervous, myself. I’m sure it’ll be great fun but I can’t help but feel like it’s going to feel like… less than other open world games out there, and that’s a shame.
I’m glad you mentioned Horizon, because BotW inevitably draws comparisons between the two. I don’t generally like open world games, but HZD just hit me so well with everything it did, and Forbidden West has been just as amazing, while also being much more overwhelming because of just how much more stuff there is to do in it compared to the first game. Meanwhile, I bounced off BotW HARD, which makes me sad as a lifelong Zelda fan. It’s interesting because in a way, Horizon is a lot more similar to pre-BotW Zelda games than BotW is.
I feel exactly like you Arlo! I loved BotW so much. I played it after not owning a console in 7 years and I immediately had to get a Switch. It was so inspiring.
Elden Ring give me that feeling too. It is such an amazing game and I love it as much if not more then BotW. I think that From Software just showed us that there is still more to explore in the open world genre. Like you said, it raised the bar and BotW 2 has that to live up to now.
I know I just repeated most of what you talked about, but I did because of how much your opinions mirrored my own.
Let's hope that BotW 2 does address the issues of the first game and adds to the Zelda experience.
It doesn't have to live up to anything.
the reason i was so happy about BotW was that it copied Skyrim's formula of having not just a big map but a huge density of interactable objects and points of interest such as dungeons camps towns random events and so on. what BotW did beyond that is gliding and climbing. and skyrim did what i said in the first sentence, since morrowind, which was like in the 2000s. so no, BotW didn't redefine open world games. even ainuma (probably spelling it wrong) said skyrim was a huge inspiration, it's no secret.
How to make BotW 2 the best it can be:
1: Make it story focused, possibly with multiple endings. BotW1's biggest flaw was the lack of a compelling story, with all the major events happening in the past and nothing of note happening in the current time, allowing complete freedom. I think it's fair to sacrifice a bit of that freedom for a better story, or even better create multiple endings that change based on which point in the story you faced the final boss like in Chrono Trigger.
2: This one is very important. MAKE THE WORLD ORIGINAL. Reusing the map from BotW1 and ONLY the map of BotW1 would make it so you're just playing the same game again just with a new story. I'm pretty sure that the reason BotW2 is taking so long to make is because they're making multiple realms, each the size of BotW1's Hyrule. Similar to Elden Ring but even bigger. Possibly a light, (sky) neutral, (Hyrule) and dark (underground/demon realm) worlds similar to A Link to the Past or A Link Between Worlds but expanded even greater. Hopefully this is the case and they're not making Hyrule 1.5 like people speculate.
3: Remove breakable weapons and instead have you buy weapons and equipment and obtain them from chests like a traditional RPG. BOTW had a very flawed inventory system and that seriously needs to be fixed. Having to create so many new weapon and armor models is also why the game could be taking so long to come out.
4: Remove shrines, instead having a much fewer number of optional mini dungeons scattered across the world like in Octopath Traveler. Spirit Orbs can be obtained from these, one for defeating the boss, one for collecting all chests, and one can be obtained by finding it somewhere hidden in the dungeon. You can also find spirit orbs by completing quests like you could obtain Graditute Crystals from quests like in Skyward Sword. Quests are also a lot more meaningful like Terry Town instead of being mostly fetch quests, though there is a fewer number of them. Some quests even give multiple spirit orbs for the longer and more challenging ones!
5: Actual, legit dungeons like the older games. Not the repeditive divine beast nonsense from the first game. Make dungeons more like Hyrule Castle instead of the divine beasts, a open dungeon where you solve optional puzzles while making your way to the boss which you can accomplish in multiple ways. You should also be able to do the dungeons in any order you choose similar to A Link Between World but to a greater extent.
6: More RPG mechanics like in Zelda 2! Legit RPG levels and stats would be amazing and you could actually tune the enemy rank to your actual level instead of arbitrary invisible values. Maybe you could also learn new spells from your glowy arm thing. (which will likely also be your companion fairy) I would love for the fairy spell to return in glorious HD!
7: Far more enemy variety. One of BotW1's biggest flaws was the lack of it, with you fighting the same 3 enemy types and the same 3 minibosses for literally the entire game. There were so many classic Zelda enemies missing from that game such as Poes, Darknaughts, Dekubabas, Dodongos, Skeeds, LikeLikes, etc. It was mostly just Bokoblins, Moblins, and Lizalfos for the entire game with the rare keese, chuchu, or octorok popping up every once or a while. We need all of them back for the sequel!
Dear God please no more RPG mechanics. Im so sick of every game coming out nowadays having a bunch of arbitrary stats tied to everything. That alone was my biggest issue with BotW. Just give me a limited amount of item upgrades for me to work towards like in every other Zelda game sans Zelda 2. We dont need stat based progression in every game.
@@theplinko9840 ...but everything is literally stat based progression. Those new swords in Zelda had higher stats hence why you wanted those. The new armor might provide fire immunity.
Everything is stat based... as otherwise there is no growth and the tools remain completely static.
Even Mario offers powerups before a boss to give you a better chance. A progression to make the challenge more fair to the intended audience.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 calling that stat based progression is like calling chess an RPG because “Its a game and you’re playing roles within it.” Its not.
A stat based progression specifically relies on the fact that you have gradually increased statistics throughout the game in order to soft-gate you out of specific areas until you’re ready. Zelda has _never_ done this prior to BotW, not even in Zelda 2. The progression in Zelda has always been item based, not stat based. You obtain ‘X’ item, that gives access to ‘Y’ area. You can get upgrades to make combat easier, but apart from bosses, which are usually also locked behind specific items, combat is never designed to be what blocks you from progressing as you are always reasonably equipped to handle said combat situation. If anything, BotW attempted to merge the 2 styles of progression together while ultimately missing the point of what makes each style work in the first place.
Weirdly my hype for botw 2 is at an all time high after being pretty low from seeing the trailer that revealed the sky but I beat the original again recently and I've just been thinking about how they could innovate and do really creative things we won't expect and especially since I think we'll get a big trailer in June though I might be wrong on that, I don't think the games are going to be as similar as we think they will be which is very exciting in a lot of ways.
The wait for botw Zelda 2 feels like nothing when you are waiting for elder scrolls 6 and gta 6
I feel like it won’t have at least most of the same issues to be honest, it seems like all this time is showing that they’ve got something really new and worthwhile coming. The “new features” mentioned when the delay to spring 2023 was announced is a huge downplay to the amount they’ve got coming to add on to an already created engine and most of the map there’s no way they’ve been just twiddling their thumbs, especially when they took the time making the entire chemistry engine, and the patents give me hope for exploration and movement/combat too (I love Elden Ring by the way, SO good), so I really think its gonna be easy to get hyped during a better look at the new stuff at E3 or whenever they’ll release info before the spring 2023 release.
I in general haven't been very excited for this game despite loving the original, they've yet to hook me with anything and I feel like a lot of my major issues with the original (like fairly basic combat) aren't going to be addressed.
Honestly I don't understand how Elden Ring is described as even close to as groundbreaking as botw. Its open world dark souls, which is great, I have played 120 hours and enjoyed most of it. But botw's edge imo was the physics engine and movement options that made an otherwise average open world into a fun sandbox. Felt like an indie game with AAA-budget.
I can see where you're coming from with Elden Ring. Honestly though the games scratch very different itches for me.
Elden ring is mostly run around, fight things, run around, fight things. That's not to say it's bad. But it doesn't really have 'puzzles.' It doesn't' have little korrock archery challenges or mini puzzles.
Another thing is rewards. ER has a ton of different builds you can do, which is good. But honestly it also has a problem. The vast majority of weapons, spells, ashes of war, spirit ashes, talismans, tears etc that I find...I won't end up using. In BOTW, I always know that the spirit orb at the end of a dungeon is going to be useful. But it kind of becomes boring in ER when almost everything I pick up I'm not going to use. In BOTW weapons break and you can freely use any weapon you pick up, and you aren't likely to get enough korok seeds to max out your equipment slots until way late in the game unless you're going out of your way to speed run them or something.
World traversal is also just...much better in BOTW in my opinion. Climbing and paragliding offer a ton of versatilty. The dlc horse armor makes horses far more easy and convenient to use. You can also shield surf or use revali's gale to quickly rise up high. In ER you basically have Torrent and teleportation to sites of grace. You have wind geiseers and those tombstone platform things to go up and down cliffs at specified points, but they're at predetermined points. Actual world traversal easily wins out in BOTW for me.
BOTW has things like temperature in the world, gravity mechanics, the runes. And while elden ring has better graphics, I like the art style and direction of Zelda more. I like that Hyrule has towns, not just the occasional rare person that doesn't want to kill you. Hyrule feels like a world worth saving. I don't really care what happens to the Lands Between outside of a couple of npcs. That may be intentional, Souls games are bleak by design, but I'm just not really invested in what ultimately happens to the Lands Between when the credits roll.
I do really like ER. It's helped me break past a barrier and go back and enjoy older souls games too. But while the two games are on the surface similar, they offer such vastly different actual experiences that ER's world does not replace BOTW for me. And so I doubt ER is going to impact my impressions of the sequel either.
Again though, I don't say this to bash ER. I like ER a lot. And it does some things better than BOTW. They are both open world games where you hit things with sword and shoot bows and arrows but for me the similarities stop there. This post has largely been me pointing out the things about BOTW, but some points in ER's favor for some balance include diverse builds and stats you can level up as you wish, tons of spells and weapon skills/ashes of war, a lack of boring 'bring me X of Y item' fetch quests, harder and more in depth combat, etc.
I like this comment because you elaborate perfectly in why I prefer elden ring but from the other side and I would like to share my perspective so people can see how different games are and how both works perfeclty for your type of person
Elden ring is focused on combat and exploration only, builds, crafting and movement are just more tools for combat, so yeah, there is less to do besides fighting in elden ring, but that was what I wanted since I was invested with the combat and I really didn't want more things to do, what it seems like a lack of variety gets compensated by a huge ways to do exactly that, combat
the rewards, hell yeah the rewards, nothing like dying 10 times to a boss just to discover the reward is a weapon you can't even use, I can totally understand this complain because it is kind of bullshit for people who expect a reward from their work, nothing wrong with that, is just that when you are having fun exploring and fighting for the pure joy of doing it that was the reward, the chest at the end was a plus, the incompatible items just make it more special when when I get something I want, because if every chests was special, no one would be
movement is something I can say is faster in botw, but not necessarily better, it depends on what was intended, ER was designed to be slower because being able to climb every mountain and fly from there would rob the player the joy of exploration that most of the times ends up finding more dungeons that I didn't expect, making them feel like I discovere them by just casualy being there, it was designed to be traversed on foot or horse and solve the little puzzle of how to get there, it may seems like a limitation but its a puzzle on itself, because platforming isnt that reliable for crazy stuff
artstyle and story are very subjective but I'll give something to talk about too, I think both games have an excelent artstyle but graphically elden ring will age faster, probably the only issue with botw in this aspect is the technical limitations only but is something that is being addresed already by modders and it will pass the test of time like a king, story wise elden ring and from soft games are pretty decent, not gonna say better or worst, just unique, how? when you care about the world you can get tons of info by their very unique method of storytelling, but if like me, you didn't care that much you can skip it entirely and still get the experience, it just gives this sensation of acomplisment for invested people and freedom for someone indiferent to it
ultimately I just wanted to give some hints about how elden ring works for some people and how it didn't replace botw for me neither, after playing both games I do believe both give different experiences, being elden ring more of a action game about adapting and learning while botw is more of a sandbox and puzzle game about being creative and efficient, neither do I want to bash in one or the other but reinforce the different itch comment by how little can be compared for a choice and instead a recomendation to get both, because as open worlds there is almost nothing better
its ok to like one or the other but I think Arlo should not expect something from one that the other one provides
@@rily2885 Yeah. Both are great games, and I do really like ER. It's just a personal preference thing, but I kind of prefer Fromsoft style gameplay in the smaller worlds of bloodborne and dark souls 1/2 so far, but that's just personal preference. It's still really good as far as open worlds go.
Now, I don't want to come across as 'Arlo is wrong how dare he feel like ER is replacing BOTW!' If that's how he feels, that's fair. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around it because I see them as fundamentally extremely different games, far more different than they are similar. Just as say, I loved Metroid Prime and Halo 1 for different reasons, being very different games despite both being sci fi games where you run around in armor and shoot aliens.
@@MalzraAirwynn ye I don't think Arlo is in this posture but he kind of point to that indirectly and I your comment summarize very well why is just one side of the coin, but its understandable that some people may feel it like that when both games are marketed as equals
Idk man. This just seems to me like one of those things where the success of one thing doesn't mean the failure of another. It's possible for both to be awesome, fun games. And it's also possible that while Elden Ring is good, not everyone shares the sentiment toward it as you do. Personally, I still prefer BOTW in almost every way. The world in Elden Ring may be bigger, and the variety may be greater, but BOTW is just so fluid in my opinion. You can play practically the whole game without even having to battle one enemy, excluding bosses. Elden Ring you HAVE to combat. It's a Souls game, after all. And some people don't even like Souls games. I respect your opinion Arlo, but this just seems entirely subjective. If you're not as excited for BOTW 2 or Zelda in general anymore, I'm sorry to hear that. But to me Zelda games are always just... an experience like no other.
Objectively Elden Ring does far a better job at some things than BOTW, it really pushed the open world formula even further for a reason. And this is not only in size, but in matter of meaningful content and how much surprises there are. Prefering one game over the other is completely fine, but ER is far superior in many aspects. Regardless, botw is a fantastic game and ER pushed the bar.
@@samy29987 See I just disagree there. Sure, ER is "objectively better" in some regards, but in the same way, BOTW is ALSO objectively better in some regards. Liking one over the other is fine. Clearly Arlo is starting to prefer ER over BOTW, which is a very impressive feat considering before this year, BOTW was Arlo's favorite game. And I'm happy for him that he found a game he thoroughly enjoys. I ALSO thoroughly enjoyed ER. I didn't finish the game, but I got several hours in and had a lot of fun. But I don't think it's fair to say that BOTW 2 is in trouble (or BOTW is worse) just because of ER's existence
To put it simply, Super Mario World isn't a worse game just because Celeste exists. Castlevania Symphony of the Night isn't a worse game because Bloodstained Ritual of the Night exists. Two games that are in the same genre and follow a similar format are able to coexist without making the other worse
@@samy29987 Er does not "objectively" do anything better than Botw besides enemy variety - and it that sense it's only various in the different ways its can murder you.
Inb4 get gud - beat the game yesterday, long time souls player.
Botw is genuinely a masterpiece,
but for ER, the hype hasn't died off yet. People will see the light soon enough, I hope.
@@samy29987 Elden ring is less an open world game than botw that is probably why you prefer Elden ring.
I would understand those who says it's a better game because of combat and rpg elements (something I don't like) or maybe the environment and lore. But I don't get in which way elden ring is a better open world, which is clearly not hence botw is on par with elden ring on metacritic while botw only is renowned for the open world part
Imagine a light world and dark world on the scale of botw. That's my hope and dream
I'd love that. Seeing twisted darker versions of places I've seen before is interesting.
I was hyped for BotW2 because it was nearing on 5 years since the release of BotW and it felt like no game had caught up to BotW in terms of how far it pushed open world exploration so I was excited to see Nintendo do it again themselves so I can experience it again and so that hopefully other games get the hint. That was until Elden Ring released to which, after seeing reviews and playing it myself, my immediate thought was "Welp, looks like BotW2 is getting delayed". Elden Ring kinda killed the hype for BotW2 by actually fulfilling the main reason I was hyped for BotW2.
It was delayed as predicted and I'm not worried like some are that that means it's going through troubled production or anything as I speculate it was delayed due to a change in the circumstances of its release rather than an issue with its production. It will no longer be the game that's head and shoulders above the rest returning to show who's boss and how open-world games should be done and is now perhaps having to play a little catch-up on its own. I don't think they wanted to compete with Elden Ring for GOTY and I think they wanted to analyze why Elden Ring was being praised so highly to take some lessons from its success in order to make an even better product, so to do this I speculate they delayed it to first or second quarter of 2023.
Yeah, we know the zelda devs were at one point playing Red Dead Redemption 2 according the Aonuma, so its likely that they were consciously consuming other open world games as inspiration for BOTW2, and given how commercially successful Elden Ring was in Japan, it is probable that it caught the attention of Nintendo
As great as Elden Ring is, idt Nintendo cares, at least not enough to go "Oh shit this game is good we gotta delay ours". That's just not how Nintendo rolls. I just think it was gonna get delayed either way. Aounuma alrd said they were "aiming" for 2022 in 2021. That already expressed uncertainty, way before Elden Ring even released. So nobody was surprised by the delay, really. And even without Elden Ring, there would have been no surprise. I think the main reasons for the delay are simple: 1) Covid and 2) the whole base idea they had grew into something bigger.
I am not dissing Elden Ring here, just to point that out. I haven't played it but I believe everyone who says it's amazing (it's just not my genre). I just don't think Nintendo feels threatened by others making good games. They've always been in their own little cosmos.
@@oOPrettywinxOo Yeah, I don't think Elden Ring was the reason for the delay, but it doubt that it completely went under Nintendo's radar. I'm sure some of the devs have or will play it, and who knows, maybe it'll influence them
I’m more hyped for the fucking unannounced ER DLC than this sequel because I’ve been waiting for so fucking long for it
They’re reusing assets, they’re even reusing THE SAME FUCKING MAP, how has it been 3 years since the announcement? How big are they expanding this shit? It ain’t even gonna be able to run on the underpowered Switch. Especially how vanilla BOTW could barely run on it.
And with the reused open world, I also feel just not that excited.
I kind of think the next Zelda game is going to be amazing. Like completely cracked, everything the first game could have been in our wildest dreams and more.
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Majora’s Mask had two things working for it despite reusing OOT assets; the short turnaround and a completely different take on the first game. With BOTW2 having a long turnaround and not going in a dramatically different direction from the first game then it’ll not excite in the way it should. Even if it’s awesome it may just be a bigger and better version of BOTW which seems great but not refreshing. However I don’t know why Elden Rings should hinder enjoyment of BOTW2 when games like Skyrim and RDR2 without issues. It never needed to be the best open world game ever and still doesn’t. Hyrule magic and charm is hard to replicate.
I have a feeling making these type of videos is therapeutic for you… I have all the same worries about botw2 deep in my unconscious but the shrinks are indifferent to it
A lot of your points are valid.
Taking time with a game can be good for perfecting parts, but this long for a sequel with little news is typically a sign of a troubled development.
For most companies maybe but when the Zelda team delays something it's always been for the better
almost certain at this point that the delay is cuz they're waiting for the switch pro to be ready...no way with all the expanding of the map/game that it'll be able to run on the og switch
It’s very funny to watch this after the game has come out and entirely topped breath of the wild.
Not entirely
Look at the original 2019 trailer "The sequel to Breath of the Wild is Now In Development"
Now In Development
I'm damn sure they only started active development on this in 2019
"The world itself,....., how you traverse it,..."
Did he really just portrait it as if one of Elden Rings biggest weaknesses, the traversal, is better than in BotW which eats EVERY other game for breakfast when it comes to traversing the open world?
I mean, what the actual f...?
Elden Ring has lots of strengths, bus traversal,? lol.
Elden Ring showed that you could have an open world with unique dungeons and bosses. Something BOTW was sorely lacking.
Yeah, though both games get to the point of reusing things too much.
@@TheMasterd333 I think at this point if you develop games at this scale you can't really avoid reusing content
Well, my biggest theory here is that while they're using the same map, they're going to be inventing a completely different one in the form of an alternate Zelda map, much like Hyrule and Lorule, WW's Hyrule under the ocean, and IN PARTICUALRY we're gonna have time travel mechanics, much like (MUCH like) Skyward Sword's Lanyru desert and OoTs Adult Link and Young Link's world. Why do I think this?
- Skyward Sword remaster was announced around the time the original deadline for Botw 2 was
- Rumoured WW remaster (ofc, this is really, REALLY rumoured)
- Time Rewinding Mechanics in the Trailer
- A Decrepit Master Sword (Possible that Fi will be coming back in some form)
- Demise returning (I had evidence of this, but I'd need to rewatch the trailer to talk about it)
Hell, it's even possible we see Skyloft, or what remains of it, given how as of 2022, the timelines "ends" with Botw (I doubt it will 'end', but rn thats how it looks)
Im holding out on this, cause I firmly believe this is the direction they're heading. they want to do SS how it was originally intended, which to me, totally makes sense as to why they released SS so recently, they wanted players to examine the differences in the SS and the new BoTW. It's a weird theory, and is probs bs - but I firmly believe in it. It's not unusual for Nintendo to pull stunts like this.
BOTW was such a gamechanger for all of the open world games, they just can't do it again. It could improve of what it achieved by building up the points that it didn't so well, like story, cutscenes and complex large dungeons.
If the old overworld is just for traversing to the new cooler parts it could be not so important they don't do a whole new world, when there are other places to explore instead.
I personally would had loved if they did a prequel with a prospering Hyrule before the calamity, with all places whole and not laying into ruins, so that you could remember the places as they were destroyed, but now they are alive and being well.
But yeah, they obviously don't go that route.
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Whatchu talkin aboot
Arlo: But elden ring
Me:......oh............good point....
I find the comparison between Elden Ring's open world vs Breath of the Wild's a bit peculiar, they are just so different. Botw emphasizes the open world exploration with almost limitless climbing, paragliding and searching all of the lands corners for overworld secrets and encounters while Elden Ring encourages you to find really atmospheric and well crafted dungeons, bosses and gauntlets.
Both are amazing to me and I would love to see Botw2 take a lot of queues from elden ring regarding dungeons, combats and boss fights but I would equally as much love to see a potential Elden ring 2 take more inspiration from Botw. Imagine being able to scale the Haligtree through climbing it rather than having to run on its branches! Or the epic moment of having a vertically themed bossfight on the walls of Leyndell!
i think the idea initially was maybe that they were gonna do the asset flip quick sequel, but when developing it they started to think maybe it didn't feel worth making without substantially changing things up? Maybe designing whole dungeons, making weapons and items like the hookshot and such, possibly bringing back some of that metroidvania-esque style progress? I'd like to think Nintendo wouldn't want to do a sequel to one of the best Zelda games ever made without raising that bar even further considering the influence the original had on open world game design. I hope that's what's taking so long at least.
14:45 arlo was definitely going to say "give a shit" instead of "give it a second chance"
11:48 As someone who played breath of the wild on the Wii U, I can’t relate; It’s a Wii U game, and people tend to forget that.
It released on both on the same time
@@ellanimation816 I know, but it was developed for the Wii U and they ported it to the switch.
Tbh I’m not really worried. Despite all the delays, BOTW similarly had delays, and it turned out more than fine. I think they know that they have to match or surpass BOTW and build upon it, so they’re making sure it’s not rushed. If anything, maybe Wind Walker’s lack of delays so many years ago was a lesson in taking time to make sure every corner is polished. One thing is certain to me: I trust the Zelda team. They’ve been so consistently good, and even their worst games are a blast and better than most other games in the genre.
I was thinking about the Elden ring thing yesterday as well, Elden Ring’s open world perfected the feel and experience of open world the Zelda BotW layed the foundation for, it’s also how I feel about Mario Odyssey, playing any other 3D platformer will never be the same because Mario Odyseey perfected the 3D platformer, Elden Ring perfected the action adventure open world experience
I have to disagree about Odyssey perfecting the 3D platformer. Don't get me wrong; Mario's movement and the hat are great, and there's definitely a lot of good stuff about the game, but I honestly have a lot of problems with it.
1. No hub world. This was particularly jarring as the game is basically themed like a road trip. This is a road trip where the player is essentially never in the car.
2. So many pointless moons that the player obtains through absolutely nothing or through boring tedium.
3. It never really evolves any of the ideas that it sets up. There isn't much sense of escalation or buildup.
4. Some of its most creative levels (such as the ruined kingdom) were just glorified boss arenas.
Mario odyssey didn’t exactly feel like a Mario game to me for some reason… I just want a 3d version of Mario 3
while its true from soft took a lot of inspiration from botw I think their fundations are different, I feel like the approach for botw was a sandbox and for elden ring was the combat, both take advantage of the open world aspects like exploration and freedom and both are great examples of how to make a good open world game, but as you said elden ring perfected the action adventure open world but also botw perfected the sandbox open world, while I prefer elden ring challenging adventure I can't see botw as the fundations for it because it was just other kind of game, elden ring clicked with me more but botw may work better for anyone looking for that relaxed and creative experience
@@roadrash2005 3D land?
@@Andrey-pc8el no like Mario 64, with the level design of Mario 3 and Mario world. More platforms less collectibles.
I’m completely in the same boat. The biggest reason is that there absolute silence on the sequel that there’s just nothing to hold my excitement for such a long time. And when other games that are just as good if not better keep coming out during that time, it just turns into “oh right I forgot they were working on that”. It’s why there’s uneasiness in the God of War fanbase as well since they were supposed to release it in 2021 but now it’s pushed to Nov of 2022 and besides the teaser that just dropped, there has been nothing about the game’s news going on.
i really wish the map is similar to what happened with saints row 1 and 2 where the map is the same shape, but filled and shifted with extra nooks and crannys everywhere that it doenst even feel the same until you see something that has stayed the same and fills you with a little nostagia to how the world used to be.
I'm glad you acknowledge that some people didn't really like the first one, people act like it's the perfect game yet I got it at launch and I've tried multiple times but wasn't able to get myself to finish it
I know that I am in the minority here but I actually liked the microdungeon aspect of it. I like not having to be so reliant on doing the dungeons in order to enjoy the game. And that I could do them in any order that I wanted.
I’m coming back to this video in 2035 to see if the discount works