Why was Vader scared? Because when you're doing battle with a space wizard and he says 'Strike me down and i'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.' and you kill him and his body disappears completely, you'd be stupid not to be scared.
Exactly! This one is obvious. How many jedi do we see die? Nearly all of them. And Darth killed a great many himself. When lightsabered or laser blasted, they fall down like any regular ass human being. This one fu**ing disappeared! No trace of him. No blood, no nothing. Vader knows that there is more to this than "He's dead, I win!"
Yeah that's a good way to get into someone's head. I've done that before. The hit hurt but it was well worth it. It threw them off and I gained the higher ground.
Obiwan didn't die to the lightsaber strike, he aligned him self to the force and transitioned to a state of enlightenment. He truly became one with the force before the hit strike. Obiwan denied Vader his victory.
2 ways this can go, voice only in which vader would be terrified af because he would feel that obi wan was invisible and planning a suprise attack and actual force ghost where vader would get jumpscared and then try killing him but realize that he cant because foce ghost
someone actually did a parody of that and i wish I could remember who. They had him popping in at every inconvenient moment and sometimes naked or such crazy XD
Obi-Wan smiled in that scene because he set a trap for Vader by fighting until Luke showed up…he knew how powerful it would be for Luke to see him struck down, that it would motivate him to train as a Jedi and ultimately defeat his father one day. That’s precisely what it did.
I know it wasn't known at the time but I thought later that Ben seeing Luke and Leia together was a good reason for the smile. He knew that the future was set.
@@lelanddupuy8296 oh I know. He actually had no idea if he would follow through on certain things. Such as having Vader really be Luke's father. Having Leia be the other Skywalker. He didn't have any of it planned out fully. Lucas also said that there was no episode 7 and he did not have anything beyond ROTJ.
While Vader killed someone who he hated, that man once was his father/brother figure. I imagine that something within him deeply regrets killing him and was a lost pup - nothing but a slave to the Emperor.
I think you're right. In ESB, Vader mentions Obi-Wan twice (I think?), which I think demonstrates how much it was still weighing on him. He wanted Luke to join him not just for himself as a father, but he wanted to make Obi-Wan proud in the same way Obi-Wan wanted to make Qui-Gon proud. Obi-Wan's sacrifice is the most powerful moment in the entire saga because of everything discussed in this video. He planted the seed of doubt in Vader that would grow -- though in a stunted, corrupt manner, at first -- into needing to protect Luke. Obi-Wan was Leia's only hope, but Luke would become her New one.
@@Christopher_Pug thats why obiwan is the most important figure in the entire star wars saga, and im anxious to see what his series brings, it might be the skywalker saga, but that couldnt have happened without kenobi, and the shit he went through between loosing quigon who was like a father to him, to satine who was his lover, to loosing the republic, the jedi order, and his brother, after an intense fight on a volcanic moon, he endured it all and still remained on the light side
@@1jidion My insane, impossible theory is that somehow, some way, during this series, we see Kenobi have a daughter. Then, in the Mandalorian, somehow, some way, Dinn stumbles across a cloning facility, and his DNA is swapped with the Emperor's... Then, we discover that the "failed clone" of Palpatine had no connection to the Force because he's actually a clone of Dinn. A clone of Dinn who meets the daughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi. That way, the Emperor doesn't win. And Obi-Wan, once again, like he always has been, is the reason the "Skywalkers" live on.
@@Christopher_Pug I’ve always honestly wanted Rey to be a kenobi somehow, like….how could she not be, she’s the only non villain to speak with a British accent, well third to alec guiness and ewan mcgregor, she’d be perfect as a kenobi
Vader: Finally I've avenged my two defeats against him. Force Ghost Ben:...Anakin... Vader: What?! Force Ghost Ben(appears): I'm haunting you. Vader: NOOOOOO!
"Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine..." I like to imagine that in that moment Vader was mostly thinking that Obi Wan was just bluffing or being the tricky Jedi he always was - but a small part at the back of his mind had doubts and wondered if he meant what he said. His physical body had definitely become weak over the years, but who knows how powerful with the force Obi Wan had become by this moment. So when Obi Wan's body instantly disappeared right after saying that and giving a sly smile, only a fool wouldn't be filled with fear in that moment.
I always iterpreted it this way: Vader was scared because he had never seen nor expected such a thing. I thought it might be a jedi trick or something. Ben was actually trolling him one last time though. By claiming that he (Ben) would become more powerfull, he actually protected Luke. He meant that he would return on the form of Jedi Luke, but Vader couldn‘t know that… so he kinda teased him and made Vader focus his mind on Ben instead of Luke.
@@kevintan5497 This is exactly the type of comment that makes modern Star Wars fans ridiculous.... The "cosmic force" did not exist back then... it was just "the force". Stop inserting stuff that was not around when the story was written.
Lucas spoke on the cosmic force here, before the launch of the OT. The only thing you're inserting is your bigoted ignorance because you can't handle a contrary opinion and the idea you might be thick. Which you are. Go away.
@@meganoob12 cosmic force was first mentioned in a deleted scene from the new hope. it was also in a legends novel called the coruscant nights III. patterns of the force. canonically in disney canon which is canon whether you like it or not it was mentioned in the clone wars. but either way it is old canon
Vader's story is so sad when you think about it. He was manipulated and coerced into joining the dark side where Palpatine used him as nothing more than an assassin, even for his first job (killing Gunray and the separatists on Mustafar). He was made to believe that he'd killed his one true love and his unborn children (until Empire Strikes Back when Palpatine tells him the son of Anakin Skywalker was the one who blew up the first Death Star), he had essentially nothing without Palpatine and was probably scared of being alone which is why he stayed loyal to Palpatine for so long and only killed him when he realised he had a son who actually gave a shit about getting him to redeem himself. Because of all the stuff he'd done, he started developing something of a conscience when he found out he had a son. I think that's why when the Emperor told him in Empire Strikes Back to deal with Luke, he tried to think of an alternative to killing him which is why he said "if he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally". Why would someone as relentless as Darth Vader who's slaughtered as many people as he had think of an alternative to killing one more person if he didn't have some sort of conscience.
The only flaw in your argument is that in the same scene in Empire Strikes Back, Vader also says "he will join us or die." I think seeing Luke and talking to him is what did it in the end. Luke sees the good in him, the conflict, and even though he later says "It is too late for me, my son", he eventually does kill the emperor anyway. I don't know if anyone knows why, but up until the end he taunts Luke about Leia, gets him to give in to his hate until he throws his saber away and won't kill him after cutting his hand off. Who knows the real story, but it is sad. Manipulation and false truths can be a real bargaining chip. Like I say to people, even in regard to real life: Wizard's First Rule is people will believe anything because they either want it to be true or they fear it's true. If you know where that comes from then you know there are more rules than that one, I just find that one to apply to a lot of situations in real life.
@@georgen5882 It's simple evolution from survival instinct mate. People choose to believe bullshit either out of fear or to avoid fear as the fear emotion is inherent in all animals as a way to avoid getting eaten by other animals. So in essence we believe BS because in our little primitive monkey brains we are trying to avoid coming face to face with leopards, metaphorically speaking.
@@georgen5882 I think he only said that to convince the Emperor that he's still the same ruthless Sith lord he has been the whole time. If he'd just left it at essentially being like "nah, I'll convince him to turn to the dark side instead" then Sidious would've been like "no, you kill him or I'll kill you" so he had to throw in the whole "well I'll try to turn him but if he doesn't turn then I'll kill him" to keep his master sweet if that makes sense. Plus, surely Vader would've known about the Sith "rule of two" so I think he was just looking for any excuse not to kill his flesh and blood. Luke did kind of talk him round and basically say "look, I can tell there's still good in you so you might as well relinquish the dark side stuff now" but Vader obviously thought it was too late for him after everything he's done. Don't quote me on this but my theory about him taunting Luke about Leia is him once again trying to keep the Emperor sweet. Remember, there's only those 3 in the room together so when he's the only one talking, Palpatine can hear every word they're saying so of course Vader has to act as if he's fighting just another insignificant Jedi so that Palpatine doesn't cotton on to the fact Vader actually cares about Luke.
@@georgen5882 I'd like to add that seeing his own son reject the dark side and face death like a true warrior in the face of certain death made Vader realise what a fool he was when he was manipulated by Palpatine.
My main consideration is that Anakin turned to the dark side because he wanted to make himself and padme immortal (unnatural powers and such). And then he saw Obi-wan, a loyal Jedi, turn into a force ghost and realised that all of the pain and anger he has been through under palpy was pointless and that immortality can be achieved with the light side and not just the dark side
BTW, after Vader vaporized Obi Wan, his focus went to ths Rebels, then to Luke, he never thinks about his old Master again after that, except that one time when Vader told Luke that Obi Wan taught him well during their ROTJ duel.
There's a Trope that covers this: "Evil Cannot Comprehend Good." The Sith had been playing the "Long Game" with their Rule of Two, but the Jedi one-upped them by discovering the Transcendence trick. Obi-Wan's little smirk right before he pulled his disappearing act was supposed to freak Vader out, get inside his twisted little brain and frell with him for weeks, months, YEARS if necessary. It was the seed of doubt that Obi-Wan planted in Vader's brain that ultimately led to his turning.
@@chadwhitfield6946 There have, but a) it's unclear if Vader knew if this (the Sith tended to horde knowledge and it wasn't common knowledge among the jedi either), b) even if he did know of their existence, that doesn't mean he knew how to become one or what their capabilities were c) the words plus the vanishing in death would have done a number on anyone's psyche.
What the Obi Wan series needs to show is Obi Wan himself trying to turn Vader to the light side of the force like Vader admitted to Luke and the latter tried as well ("Obi Wan once thought as you do" in ROTJ) and also as Padme felt before she died about Anakin being good inside him after all.
id like dots to be connected too, if you havent watched the kenobi series, at the end of ep 2 he finds out vader is alive, and you can kinda see that shock and that perhaps obiwan can try to turn anakin back, so we will get that and probably before or during the fight obiwan will mention padme
I just really want obi wan to call him anakin whilst he is in the Vader suit for some reason. Maybe say something like her last words were that she knows there is still good in you.
@@nighTmareCSGO there’s still one infamous line that hasn’t been referenced, In Rotj before vader takes luke to the Death Star, vader says “obiwan once thought as you did” meaning, obiwan did try to turn vader back once
Obi Wan pulled up his final troll of giving his old friend/brother night terror and anxiety… Clearly, his level of trolling is beyond any universal being.
Vader constantly rejected his past as Anakin claiming that he was weak and he killed him, that Anakin was no more, but it was Anakin's fear for Padme and deep personal hatred of his former master that made him, if Anakin was truly dead then his past would be buried with him. So basically we have Vader who has built himself around the pillar of vengeance against the jedi (and ultimately self deception) with Obi-Wan as its central figure, and after all these years steaming in hatred that figure is gone in a second, not even putting up a fight, the old man just kinda giving up with a smile and a cryptic message. There is no triumph, no vindication just... emptiness, without Obi-Wan, without the jedi, there is no Darth Vader no real goal, just the role of Emperor's executioner, something the Emperor probably knew, that letting Vader build himself as a Sith around the singular minded altar of vengeance would eventually undo him, because once that goal is realized and the source of your hatred and power is gone you've nothing left. In Vaders case there is nothing left for him but his service to the Emperor and self loathing for Padme's death, basically he trained him wrong on purpose.
.i have another thought. Vaider hated Palpatin as well as Jedi for the stealing his mother from him. He hatred his master obi one but as child has hatred his parents for something. At the time when Luke met his father and teacher he understood that palpatine cheated him sohe understood that that smile was for him. He got that this a signal for him to change sonething and this for a scene for Luke. Because Obi one listed has already his body . It was just a not psysical one
I think that the events in the Obi-wan show actually reinforces everything that is said here. Vader spends many many many years trying to become so powerful he can defeat Obi-wan, to be let down again, and then this third fight same thing. He spends so much time and focus, just to watch Obi-wan disappear. Vader was definitely in the feels, I honestly think that this was part of the catalyst for why he turned back to the light at the end. Obi-wan had just spent the last decade learning how to move into the cosmic force, he was ready for change, he was ready for the next generation to take over. He knew that both of the twins were ready to take on that challenge.
Maybe Vader just couldn't figure out, until later, of course, what his old master was actually smiling about.(like you said) It's almost as if he knew Obi-Wan so well, that a smile like that meant far worse than he might be willing to admit, which was his(Vader's) own failure in a big way. He reasoned then as you pointed out in the video trying to figure it out. And as time would reveal, he realized that he certainly failed, not in being a sith lord servant and master, but even worse, he failed as a father...so he daddy smacked sithis to oblivion and chose to die in his son's arms surrendering ultimately to the light instead of the dark. Also, perhaps obiwans ghost following Vader around everywhere served as a life force to a shell of conscience that had been seared by sadness fear and hate, which of course lead to Vader doing the right thing and giant choke slamming sithis
I like to see Vader's motivation for the rest of the original trilogy as the same motivation Obi-Wan had after the death of Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan's master's ghost followed him for so long. He knows exactly what kind of effect that motivation can have on the psyche. He looked over at Luke, and in a moment of divine confluence, he saw once and for all that he did not fail Qui-Gon, and in keeping that promise, he did not fail Anakin either. Here they both were. Father and son. All that time spent keeping them apart, and he realizes the only piece of the puzzle has already been handed to him. The gift Qui-Gon gave his padawan in his death was the promise he made him keep. It is the longest payoff in the series, and is the best instance of that 'rhyming' we always hear about. Obi-Wan heard the rhyme of the Force in that moment and it called him to join its chorus. There was no other choice.
Though I can imagine that every time Vader is alone and least suspecting it, Obi wan would materialise as a force ghost, say "hello there" behind his shoulder and vanish before Vader turns around to see who said that. Repeat that over a year or two with Vader almost killing the emperor when he did it just to give a look to Vader and saying "he's been doing it to you too?"
I do like the idea that the Force basically showed Obi-wan the end result of all this fighting, that Luke will end up nodding Anakin to Wake up and come back. Of course that kinda contradicts Obi-wan's later words about how he's more machine then man, twisted and evil but it would be a very emotional moment(Cheesy maybe but humans can be cheesy so who cares).
I was gonna say “why do you keep calling Sidious ‘sithis’” but then I realized it’s not an alias or something, it’s probably just a bad misspelling based on a mishearing of his name haha
the moment when obi wan saw luke and leia were safe and about to escape and smiled was the most beautiful moment on that movie, obi wan completed his mission.
Obi Wan was already dead before he met Luke. As Uncle Owen said. Because of a great disturbance in the force, he used his jedi powers to give himself a corporeal form, in order to guide Luke. Obi Wan taught this to Luke, which is why they both disappeared the same way at their end. This is what Vader feared. His old and defeated enemies having the power to return to life ... when he could not harness that power himself.
"Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than you can imagine"....Obi Wan was right. He became the powerful force that drove Luke to complete his destiny and bring Vader/Anakin back to the light (as well as destroying the empire). That's why he waited for Luke to see him and then let himself get cut down.
When Obi-Wan became one with the force (because saying vader killed him is a stretch)... Vader was scared because he realized he had nobody left to hate but himself.
Well to be honest thats true, but Obi-Wan was immediately able to connect with luke telling him to "Run" before he could make and harsh decisions with vader present.
I like to think that the second vader striked down obi-wan, he sealed his own fate. This allowed obi-wan to guide luke to the fullest potential, telling him to run, telling him to use the force and turn off the computer in the x-wing to destroy the death star, telling him to go to the dagobah system to learn the ways of the jedi from master yoda (who was far more powerful than obi-wan, and could obviously instruct luke better in the ways of the force than obi-wan ever could), showing up on dagobah to guide him tell him the truth that vader is indeed his father and that leia is also his sister. He could not have done all of that if he was still alive, he would have to keep hiding knowing vader was still out for his blood. Because he died and became one with the force he could use the force to guide luke without worry that he would be captured and ultimately luke would be the one to defeat vader and the emperor once and for all. Little did obi-wan know, he underestimated luke and luke managed to turn vader to the light side and convince vader to actually defeat the emperor himself. That is what he meant when he said "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine", but he actually got an even better result than he initially planned for. And because vader had turned to the light side, he got to become part of the cosmic force. a much happier ending for all of them. This is why the original star wars trilogy was so amazing, and why the other sagas pale in comparison.
The last episode of Obi-Wan just adds to this even more. He beat Vader not once, but TWICE before, both times he could have killed him but instead walked away. You can just imagine how Vader thought he was going to FINALLY win this time. Then obi-wan just smiles, tell him he's already lost, and lets him kill him. Then he just straight up vanishes. Vader was a terrifying badass, but he could never measure up to Obi-Wans quiet wisdom, and he knew it.
When you think about it Obi Wan kinda beat him 3 times. Having Vader strike him down was obviously his intent so that he could transcend into a more powerful form.
I mean...I feel like the fact that the old man literally VANISHED would be something to fear. Lightsabers don't exactly do that...they cut you in half, not make a body just disappear.
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." He then let Vader kill him while smiling and Vader knew it. His body then completely disappeared.
He chose to disappear just like Yoda did as well. They can choose when to go to the other life. This is alleged to be possible for Gurus in India. There is a book written by Yogananda where he talks about the master of his master been able to choose to just cease life whenever he wanted. I believe Obi Wan just chose to do that before Vader could strike him as his mission was over and the torch was passed it on into Luke to fight Vader now.
Actually, Obi Wan said, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine". I think thats what probably made Vader upset when there was no body to be found.
I normally don't like a lot of UA-cam StarWars theorizing, but this was great. I think it's because you don't treat Vader as a Star Wars character, but as a human -- a human who, despite of all his power - is susceptible to fear.
Absolutely cannot wait for the big duel in the kenobi show. Even though we’ll mostly know of the outcome, it’s still going to be incredible to witness it all unfold on screen.
I just want ro see details don't care about the end result. It's like saying who cares about the Old republic because we already knoe the sith get reduced to 2.
@@PyroFloe they don't have to. The rain the fight isn't flashy is due to Vader fighting Yoda in the force while simultaneously fighting obi on the death star. Read the novel from a certain point of view
There was actually a psychological profile done on Vader and there's sufficient evidence Vader was a textbook (and perhaps Force-enhanced) case of MPD (multiple-personality disorder). Vader was a persona that slowly built up as Anakin's defense to a lifetime of hardship and trauma that Sidious nurtured. But underneath, however weak, Anakin remained and the two constantly vied for dominance. Vader hated everything and everyone that Anakin loved. He saw them as the reason for his fall, for his pain and suffering. They survived only because Anakin remained strong enough to stay Vader's hand.
I think he also knew Anakin well enough to know his transcendence would shake him as well. Remember, they were brothers- and all brothers are rivals. This was that finally poke to remind Anakin, “Im the elder brother, I’m the master- you still have much to learn.”
Wasnt rly anything to do with his ghost, Obiwan was saying that by martyring him, it would give Luke the push he needs to claim his destiny. It was a metaphor not a literal statement of power. Luke was still innocent at this point and losing obi wan was what allowed him to let go of his innocence and naivete and become a man willing to do what was necessary. That driving force was more powerful than anything tangible he could have given him.
Obi-Wan was weak but I have a feeling part of that was on purpose to give Luke a chance to witness something spectacular. A miracle if you will… and also to escape.
3:07 In my opinion, I don’t believe that Darth Vader was fulfilled with joy by striking down his master, and that overtime it then started to dwell on him harder causing a constant confusion and discomfort. The reason for my opinion in this, is in the continuing moments of that escape scene from A New Hope, you can see Vader continuously move around and if looked closely see him trying to FIND obi wan (after striking him down). When the door closes from Luke firing the button (just to add onto my opinion) Vader takes no notice and is looking at the corner of that room/hall. For me, Vader joy was seconds, but then instantly got disrupted by the misunderstanding of Obi Wan disappearing. And started panicking in confusion. That’s when I believe Vader continued to worry.
I see it that Obi-Wan was reluctant to hurt his old friend again even though he had turned. And had the opportunity to show Luke how far gone his father had to the Dark Side so that Luke wouldn't be as easily turned by false promises
I always noticed something when Vader was a jedi he had a shorter blade liking close distance but after fighting kenobi he can make his blade longer and smaller for both long and short distance battling
Revenge on Obi-wan fueled Vaders rage and hatred, his darkside. After he killed him it probably left him without a purpose. Also the way that obiwan lets vader win, took a lot of the enjoyment out of it I think. Obiwan clearly had the moral ‘highground’ so to speak. And I think even Vader knew after this moment that he had to rethink himself
Maybe by training Luke and knowing what happens when an apprentice sees their master die or danger, he knew Luke would become more powerful. Sure there's the whole force ghost thing but maybe all Skywalkers have a boost from justified rage/anger 🤔
With how he let's him go in the Obi Wan series. My new view is that Vader doesn't want to kill Obi Wan. He wants him to suffer. Vader is suffering and wants others to suffer too. Hurt people, hurt people. Killing Obi Wan on the death star was more of an accident as he might have assumed that Obi Wan would have defended himself.
@@yoshiwaffles6682 It could also explain why in Rogue One. Vader was faster and more deadly in the hallway against the rebels. He held himself back because killing Obi Wan was not his goal. Even in Empire Strikes Back. Vader showed much more power against Luke. Because Luke is younger, faster, and over all more powerful then Obi-Wan was during those fights. If that fight against Luke, was Vader holding back. He was definitely holding back against Obi-Wan.
Here’s how I interpreted it: Ben knew he was dying, that’s why he was so willing to face Vader in the Death Star. At that moment when he saw Luke, he stood still and became one with the force before Vader’s blade could make contact.
Nah, Ben knew that he could defeat Vader, but choose not to, knowing that Anakin is the one to bring a balance to force, Palpatine would find another apprentice anyway, maybe through corrupting Luke or Leia. By choosing "losing to Vader" he inspired Luke & Leia to pursue their involvement in rebellion and after all who had any chances in bringing Vader back to light if not his own children?
I wonder why Vader never bothered to ask Sidious about Obi Wan’s disappearance upon being fatally struck down. If I’m a force user and I have a master, I would at least ask if he knows anything.
I always thought it was funny that after Obi-Wan disappears, Vader takes his boot and starts tapping the top of Obi-Wan‘s robe on the floor. Like.. hello, are you there Obi-wan? 😂
There are so many ways to use the force.. it was naive of Vader to assume that the jedis or siths are only ones who know how to use force, when it's used in so many ways amongst different species..eg night sisters use it as a magic..but force powers include: create lightening, cause healing, enhance speed, stealth/concealment, cause pain, usebreath control, mind or thought control, become a force ghost, control battles.. and there's many more.
It's a good thing that only followers of the Light Side can become one with the Force. They are much less likely to abuse their immense power and prefer to only influence the physical world in small extend. I mean, training Luke obviously sufficed.
Too bad Annikin didn't get to do a little more research about what happens to you physically when you try to defy death using Sith techniques. Is not pretty. Lightsider force ghosts is a better way to go. Thank you Mr Obi Wan Kenobi
This scene confused me when I saw it in the theatre a long time ago in a town far far away. It wasn't even explained in the next 2 movies after. It made me wonder why the galaxy wasn't filled with force ghosts.
Maybe the force ghost is a new force ability made by Jedi? Or do force ghosts only appear to force sensitives they have a connection too… Definitely need more info
Apparently.. "Before the Fall of the Republic, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn learned the ability to become a Force spirit from the Shaman of the Whills" I heard that Qui-Gon learned it around ep 1, but no other jedi's were aware.. So it is possible that he taught Obi-Wan and or some other jedi's like Yoda.
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine"-Obi Wan Kenobi. His voice through his force ghost prescence even guided Luke during the attack of the death star
Obi-wan didn’t tell Vader, if you strike me down, I will be with you forever? He said, “you can’t win Vader, if you strike me down, I will become more powerful then you can possible imagine.” Good video though. 👍🏽
A thought: Anakin/Vader wanted to stop ppl from dying, and there obi wan went, not dying but disappeared into…what? Maybe to Vader, that was a glimpse of something he always wanted, to not die, and he knew it, or may have not just been scared, but upset that he could now never learn the truth from obi wan after sidius lied to him the whole time and never taught him what obi wan just displayed in front of Vader’s very eyes.
I mean, if the notoriously tricky space wizard who taught you most of what you know told you to your face that if you kill him he'll become more powerful that you could possibly imagine and then laid down his weapon for you to strike him only for him to nonchalantly poof out of thin air as soon as you cut him in half with your lightsaber, you'd probably crap your pants and become insanely paranoid too.
I think that he was haunted by by the fact that he killed his best friend and brother at that time, the only remnant of his past as Anakin. We’re led to believe throughout the entire franchise that Anakin was never truly gone, but that he was just lost. That’s why Vader even has his redemption at the end of ROTJ. Everyone and their mom in the galaxy knew how close Obi-Wan and Anakin were, so I choose to interpret it partly as Vader being scared his former master has a final trick up his sleeve, but there’s also a part that, deep down in his Anakin core, regrets killing him and becomes obsessed partly out of sorrow.
Well Obi-Wan didn't teach everything he knew to Anakin. After the Mustafa fight when Vader was already on the dark side, Yoda told Obi-Wan to learn a way to communicate with his old master Qui-Gonn so he did. And that's exactly why he just disappeared being struck down. He can then just appear anywhere he wants to as shown on Dagobah multiple times thus becoming way more powerful than ever before. Or at least that's what happened in my mind.
Obi Wan: “Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”. Vader: [Kills Obi Wan] Obi Wan’s Voice: “It’s over, Vader. Once again…I have the high ground”. Vader: “Noooooooooooo”!
I hope there are scenes where Obi Wan communes with Qui Gon! I want to see what the training Yoda spoke of at the end of Episode III was! So hyped for next Friday!!!
You know this connects to Kenobi really well in the line that for Anakin needs to learn to let go and how that is a constant obstacle in his life since he was a child. Even well into his age he could never learn to let go and it wasn’t until his death and seeing his son before him did he release what he held onto and it took all his life to finally move on. A good arc 🙂
Obi won in the end. He was old and knew he didn’t have much time left so he decided to let Vader strike him down with Luke watching knowing this would fuel him to destroy Vader and the dark side as a result. He also tortured Vader in the process.
I'd say 1 because he literally just disappeared once hit, and 2 was probably terrified that he would come back to haunt him, not necessarily knowing he became a force ghost but perhaps in dreams or for a final confrontation. That's just what I think, now on with the video
This was a great video. Thank you. I've never thought of Vader's mental state after the immediate events of Ben Kenobi disappearing. It seemed to me Vader was gloating in the victory regardless how he got it. The mental anguish of wondering if this was a mind trick and Kenobi could jump out of the rafters of his new space station to kill him, like Kenobi did to General Grievous in the prequels, is entertaining to think about.
What if the whole time he was on the death star he was a force projection like old Luke and was preparing to become one with the force while creating a decoy for Luke and Leia the whole time?
Obi-Wan wasn't only immortal but also more power ful than even Darth Sidious. He became a part of the Force itself and could still influence the physical world if he wanted to (and did by teaching Luke). This is a central point of all of Star Wars: The Sith Code states that you can "break your chains" and become free by accumulating power and following your ambitions. Most Sith try to become immortal and all-powerful because the two things they fear most are being powerless and being dead. Becoming one with the Force would accomplish just that. However, a follower of the Dark Side is unable to become one with the Force. Only Light Side beings can achieve that. That's why the Sith Code is a trap. It lures in highly-ambitious people and makes them even more ambitious but in the end, they are doomed to be nothing more than a slve of their own ambitions. Whereas the Jedi code teaches to learn about the world, become knowledgeable, help other people, and spread joy. They are the most free. Star Wars is basically George Lucas telling us about his view on life.
@@seb0rn739 I figure he probably did the heaving lifting when it came to guiding the torpedo down the Achille's Vent in the Death Star. That made him powerful indeed.
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Did Vader ever tell Palpatine on the incident with Obi-Won disappearing act?
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Why was Vader scared? Because when you're doing battle with a space wizard and he says 'Strike me down and i'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.' and you kill him and his body disappears completely, you'd be stupid not to be scared.
i love the bluntness in this comment. that is exactly what i thought lol.
Exactly! This one is obvious. How many jedi do we see die? Nearly all of them. And Darth killed a great many himself. When lightsabered or laser blasted, they fall down like any regular ass human being. This one fu**ing disappeared! No trace of him. No blood, no nothing. Vader knows that there is more to this than "He's dead, I win!"
Was thinking the very same thing. We all know why. The question is, who actually needs this explained to them?
Obi wan was messing with him lol
it would be interesting to see what would have happend if vader was like "oh. okay." and just stopped "what now obi wan"
I'd be in panic mode too if the guy I was fighting stood still in the middle of the fight, smirked like a bastard, and disappeared into thin air
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Order 67 Obi wan curse lol
Yeah that's a good way to get into someone's head. I've done that before. The hit hurt but it was well worth it. It threw them off and I gained the higher ground.
@ZyklonBeezy happened to my mother's father's grandson
@@FWDSUXARSE Wow, you disappeared into thin air after? o.O
Obiwan didn't die to the lightsaber strike, he aligned him self to the force and transitioned to a state of enlightenment. He truly became one with the force before the hit strike. Obiwan denied Vader his victory.
So you’re telling me he pulled a rage quit before end of game match?
State of transcendence
No it’s more like when you continually lose and get killed by one guy and when you finally have him you miss your shot and he leaves the game.
Enderpearl stasis chamber
@@popot4627 basically 😂😂
Imagine Darth Vader casually walking around the Death Star just for Obi Wan’s force ghost to appear out of nowhere and be like “hello there”
Especially in the bathroom or his meditation room
LOL
2 ways this can go, voice only in which vader would be terrified af because he would feel that obi wan was invisible and planning a suprise attack and actual force ghost where vader would get jumpscared and then try killing him but realize that he cant because foce ghost
It actually is Canon Obi Wan actually went back to fuck with him a bit
someone actually did a parody of that and i wish I could remember who. They had him popping in at every inconvenient moment and sometimes naked or such crazy XD
Obi wan’s final troll: Combat logging before dying
Combat logging?! …Oh
Rogue lineage reference
@@reisetsunai I first heard of "combat logging" with DayZ.
fucking combat loggers
@@CognizantCheddar i first heard of it from minecraft combat logging lol
Obi-Wan smiled in that scene because he set a trap for Vader by fighting until Luke showed up…he knew how powerful it would be for Luke to see him struck down, that it would motivate him to train as a Jedi and ultimately defeat his father one day. That’s precisely what it did.
I know it wasn't known at the time but I thought later that Ben seeing Luke and Leia together was a good reason for the smile. He knew that the future was set.
That's how I read that smile as well.
Exactly!!!
@@darylabrams2 funnily enough contrary to popular belief but George Lucas didn’t actually have all of the Star Wars movies written before episode 4
@@lelanddupuy8296 oh I know. He actually had no idea if he would follow through on certain things. Such as having Vader really be Luke's father. Having Leia be the other Skywalker. He didn't have any of it planned out fully. Lucas also said that there was no episode 7 and he did not have anything beyond ROTJ.
While Vader killed someone who he hated, that man once was his father/brother figure. I imagine that something within him deeply regrets killing him and was a lost pup - nothing but a slave to the Emperor.
Couldn't have explained it better myself
I think you're right. In ESB, Vader mentions Obi-Wan twice (I think?), which I think demonstrates how much it was still weighing on him.
He wanted Luke to join him not just for himself as a father, but he wanted to make Obi-Wan proud in the same way Obi-Wan wanted to make Qui-Gon proud.
Obi-Wan's sacrifice is the most powerful moment in the entire saga because of everything discussed in this video. He planted the seed of doubt in Vader that would grow -- though in a stunted, corrupt manner, at first -- into needing to protect Luke.
Obi-Wan was Leia's only hope, but Luke would become her New one.
@@Christopher_Pug thats why obiwan is the most important figure in the entire star wars saga, and im anxious to see what his series brings, it might be the skywalker saga, but that couldnt have happened without kenobi, and the shit he went through between loosing quigon who was like a father to him, to satine who was his lover, to loosing the republic, the jedi order, and his brother, after an intense fight on a volcanic moon, he endured it all and still remained on the light side
@@1jidion My insane, impossible theory is that somehow, some way, during this series, we see Kenobi have a daughter.
Then, in the Mandalorian, somehow, some way, Dinn stumbles across a cloning facility, and his DNA is swapped with the Emperor's...
Then, we discover that the "failed clone" of Palpatine had no connection to the Force because he's actually a clone of Dinn.
A clone of Dinn who meets the daughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
That way, the Emperor doesn't win. And Obi-Wan, once again, like he always has been, is the reason the "Skywalkers" live on.
@@Christopher_Pug I’ve always honestly wanted Rey to be a kenobi somehow, like….how could she not be, she’s the only non villain to speak with a British accent, well third to alec guiness and ewan mcgregor, she’d be perfect as a kenobi
Vader: Finally I've avenged my two defeats against him.
Force Ghost Ben:...Anakin...
Vader: What?!
Force Ghost Ben(appears): I'm haunting you.
Vader: NOOOOOO!
A person of culture i see
I love seeing TFS in other places 😢
I see you watched Robot Chicken skit when Vader killed Jar Jar. lol
@@dragnet53Hahahha nope it's a reference to team four store dragon ball z parody.
I'm surprised you didn't mention, Obi-Wan also stopped fighting, and voluntarily let Vader kill him, which would add to said suspicion.
Not to mention he completely disappeared.
"Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine..." I like to imagine that in that moment Vader was mostly thinking that Obi Wan was just bluffing or being the tricky Jedi he always was - but a small part at the back of his mind had doubts and wondered if he meant what he said. His physical body had definitely become weak over the years, but who knows how powerful with the force Obi Wan had become by this moment.
So when Obi Wan's body instantly disappeared right after saying that and giving a sly smile, only a fool wouldn't be filled with fear in that moment.
I always iterpreted it this way:
Vader was scared because he had never seen nor expected such a thing. I thought it might be a jedi trick or something.
Ben was actually trolling him one last time though. By claiming that he (Ben) would become more powerfull, he actually protected Luke. He meant that he would return on the form of Jedi Luke, but Vader couldn‘t know that… so he kinda teased him and made Vader focus his mind on Ben instead of Luke.
@@meganoob12 uh im pretty sure ben was just talking about how he would turn into a forcr ghost and gain the power of the cosmic force
@@kevintan5497 This is exactly the type of comment that makes modern Star Wars fans ridiculous.... The "cosmic force" did not exist back then... it was just "the force". Stop inserting stuff that was not around when the story was written.
Lucas spoke on the cosmic force here, before the launch of the OT. The only thing you're inserting is your bigoted ignorance because you can't handle a contrary opinion and the idea you might be thick. Which you are. Go away.
@@meganoob12 cosmic force was first mentioned in a deleted scene from the new hope. it was also in a legends novel called the coruscant nights III. patterns of the force. canonically in disney canon which is canon whether you like it or not it was mentioned in the clone wars. but either way it is old canon
Vader's story is so sad when you think about it. He was manipulated and coerced into joining the dark side where Palpatine used him as nothing more than an assassin, even for his first job (killing Gunray and the separatists on Mustafar). He was made to believe that he'd killed his one true love and his unborn children (until Empire Strikes Back when Palpatine tells him the son of Anakin Skywalker was the one who blew up the first Death Star), he had essentially nothing without Palpatine and was probably scared of being alone which is why he stayed loyal to Palpatine for so long and only killed him when he realised he had a son who actually gave a shit about getting him to redeem himself. Because of all the stuff he'd done, he started developing something of a conscience when he found out he had a son. I think that's why when the Emperor told him in Empire Strikes Back to deal with Luke, he tried to think of an alternative to killing him which is why he said "if he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally". Why would someone as relentless as Darth Vader who's slaughtered as many people as he had think of an alternative to killing one more person if he didn't have some sort of conscience.
The only flaw in your argument is that in the same scene in Empire Strikes Back, Vader also says "he will join us or die." I think seeing Luke and talking to him is what did it in the end. Luke sees the good in him, the conflict, and even though he later says "It is too late for me, my son", he eventually does kill the emperor anyway. I don't know if anyone knows why, but up until the end he taunts Luke about Leia, gets him to give in to his hate until he throws his saber away and won't kill him after cutting his hand off. Who knows the real story, but it is sad. Manipulation and false truths can be a real bargaining chip. Like I say to people, even in regard to real life: Wizard's First Rule is people will believe anything because they either want it to be true or they fear it's true. If you know where that comes from then you know there are more rules than that one, I just find that one to apply to a lot of situations in real life.
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It's simple evolution from survival instinct mate. People choose to believe bullshit either out of fear or to avoid fear as the fear emotion is inherent in all animals as a way to avoid getting eaten by other animals. So in essence we believe BS because in our little primitive monkey brains we are trying to avoid coming face to face with leopards, metaphorically speaking.
@@georgen5882 I think he only said that to convince the Emperor that he's still the same ruthless Sith lord he has been the whole time. If he'd just left it at essentially being like "nah, I'll convince him to turn to the dark side instead" then Sidious would've been like "no, you kill him or I'll kill you" so he had to throw in the whole "well I'll try to turn him but if he doesn't turn then I'll kill him" to keep his master sweet if that makes sense. Plus, surely Vader would've known about the Sith "rule of two" so I think he was just looking for any excuse not to kill his flesh and blood. Luke did kind of talk him round and basically say "look, I can tell there's still good in you so you might as well relinquish the dark side stuff now" but Vader obviously thought it was too late for him after everything he's done. Don't quote me on this but my theory about him taunting Luke about Leia is him once again trying to keep the Emperor sweet. Remember, there's only those 3 in the room together so when he's the only one talking, Palpatine can hear every word they're saying so of course Vader has to act as if he's fighting just another insignificant Jedi so that Palpatine doesn't cotton on to the fact Vader actually cares about Luke.
@@georgen5882 I'd like to add that seeing his own son reject the dark side and face death like a true warrior in the face of certain death made Vader realise what a fool he was when he was manipulated by Palpatine.
@@a2zbrandedusa383 yup
My main consideration is that Anakin turned to the dark side because he wanted to make himself and padme immortal (unnatural powers and such). And then he saw Obi-wan, a loyal Jedi, turn into a force ghost and realised that all of the pain and anger he has been through under palpy was pointless and that immortality can be achieved with the light side and not just the dark side
Obi living in Vader’s head rent free
My man still living rent free in Vaders head even in death. Truly the GOAT.
Let's see, he amputated the rest of your natural limbs, then let you catch on fire, would you not be obsessed about finding that person? 🤔
BTW, after Vader vaporized Obi Wan, his focus went to ths Rebels, then to Luke, he never thinks about his old Master again after that, except that one time when Vader told Luke that Obi Wan taught him well during their ROTJ duel.
There's a Trope that covers this: "Evil Cannot Comprehend Good." The Sith had been playing the "Long Game" with their Rule of Two, but the Jedi one-upped them by discovering the Transcendence trick. Obi-Wan's little smirk right before he pulled his disappearing act was supposed to freak Vader out, get inside his twisted little brain and frell with him for weeks, months, YEARS if necessary. It was the seed of doubt that Obi-Wan planted in Vader's brain that ultimately led to his turning.
There have been sith force ghosts.
@@chadwhitfield6946 There have, but a) it's unclear if Vader knew if this (the Sith tended to horde knowledge and it wasn't common knowledge among the jedi either), b) even if he did know of their existence, that doesn't mean he knew how to become one or what their capabilities were c) the words plus the vanishing in death would have done a number on anyone's psyche.
Is that frell a farscape reference?
I think I read somewhere that Sith ghosts only haunt their tomb
@@broodygamin5775 Yotz no! What are you, completely fahrbot? Why in Hezmata would I be using Farscape curse words in a Star Wars topic? Complete dren.
What the Obi Wan series needs to show is Obi Wan himself trying to turn Vader to the light side of the force like Vader admitted to Luke and the latter tried as well ("Obi Wan once thought as you do" in ROTJ) and also as Padme felt before she died about Anakin being good inside him after all.
id like dots to be connected too, if you havent watched the kenobi series, at the end of ep 2 he finds out vader is alive, and you can kinda see that shock and that perhaps obiwan can try to turn anakin back, so we will get that and probably before or during the fight obiwan will mention padme
bro i just made a comment about vader’s connection to a previous fight with obi wan in RotJ💀 that’s crazy
Good point. I forgot about that.
I just really want obi wan to call him anakin whilst he is in the Vader suit for some reason. Maybe say something like her last words were that she knows there is still good in you.
@@nighTmareCSGO there’s still one infamous line that hasn’t been referenced, In Rotj before vader takes luke to the Death Star, vader says “obiwan once thought as you did” meaning, obiwan did try to turn vader back once
Obi Wan pulled up his final troll of giving his old friend/brother night terror and anxiety…
Clearly, his level of trolling is beyond any universal being.
Vader constantly rejected his past as Anakin claiming that he was weak and he killed him, that Anakin was no more, but it was Anakin's fear for Padme and deep personal hatred of his former master that made him, if Anakin was truly dead then his past would be buried with him.
So basically we have Vader who has built himself around the pillar of vengeance against the jedi (and ultimately self deception) with Obi-Wan as its central figure, and after all these years steaming in hatred that figure is gone in a second, not even putting up a fight, the old man just kinda giving up with a smile and a cryptic message.
There is no triumph, no vindication just... emptiness, without Obi-Wan, without the jedi, there is no Darth Vader no real goal, just the role of Emperor's executioner, something the Emperor probably knew, that letting Vader build himself as a Sith around the singular minded altar of vengeance would eventually undo him, because once that goal is realized and the source of your hatred and power is gone you've nothing left.
In Vaders case there is nothing left for him but his service to the Emperor and self loathing for Padme's death, basically he trained him wrong on purpose.
Beautifully said. You're insights are most impressive. Obi-wan has taught you well.
.i have another thought. Vaider hated Palpatin as well as Jedi for the stealing his mother from him. He hatred his master obi one but as child has hatred his parents for something. At the time when Luke met his father and teacher he understood that palpatine cheated him sohe understood that that smile was for him. He got that this a signal for him to change sonething and this for a scene for Luke. Because Obi one listed has already his body . It was just a not psysical one
I think that the events in the Obi-wan show actually reinforces everything that is said here. Vader spends many many many years trying to become so powerful he can defeat Obi-wan, to be let down again, and then this third fight same thing. He spends so much time and focus, just to watch Obi-wan disappear. Vader was definitely in the feels, I honestly think that this was part of the catalyst for why he turned back to the light at the end.
Obi-wan had just spent the last decade learning how to move into the cosmic force, he was ready for change, he was ready for the next generation to take over. He knew that both of the twins were ready to take on that challenge.
Maybe Vader just couldn't figure out, until later, of course, what his old master was actually smiling about.(like you said) It's almost as if he knew Obi-Wan so well, that a smile like that meant far worse than he might be willing to admit, which was his(Vader's) own failure in a big way. He reasoned then as you pointed out in the video trying to figure it out. And as time would reveal, he realized that he certainly failed, not in being a sith lord servant and master, but even worse, he failed as a father...so he daddy smacked sithis to oblivion and chose to die in his son's arms surrendering ultimately to the light instead of the dark.
Also, perhaps obiwans ghost following Vader around everywhere served as a life force to a shell of conscience that had been seared by sadness fear and hate, which of course lead to Vader doing the right thing and giant choke slamming sithis
I like to see Vader's motivation for the rest of the original trilogy as the same motivation Obi-Wan had after the death of Qui-Gon.
Obi-Wan's master's ghost followed him for so long. He knows exactly what kind of effect that motivation can have on the psyche.
He looked over at Luke, and in a moment of divine confluence, he saw once and for all that he did not fail Qui-Gon, and in keeping that promise, he did not fail Anakin either.
Here they both were. Father and son. All that time spent keeping them apart, and he realizes the only piece of the puzzle has already been handed to him. The gift Qui-Gon gave his padawan in his death was the promise he made him keep.
It is the longest payoff in the series, and is the best instance of that 'rhyming' we always hear about.
Obi-Wan heard the rhyme of the Force in that moment and it called him to join its chorus. There was no other choice.
Though I can imagine that every time Vader is alone and least suspecting it, Obi wan would materialise as a force ghost, say "hello there" behind his shoulder and vanish before Vader turns around to see who said that. Repeat that over a year or two with Vader almost killing the emperor when he did it just to give a look to Vader and saying "he's been doing it to you too?"
I do like the idea that the Force basically showed Obi-wan the end result of all this fighting, that Luke will end up nodding Anakin to Wake up and come back. Of course that kinda contradicts Obi-wan's later words about how he's more machine then man, twisted and evil but it would be a very emotional moment(Cheesy maybe but humans can be cheesy so who cares).
I was gonna say “why do you keep calling Sidious ‘sithis’” but then I realized it’s not an alias or something, it’s probably just a bad misspelling based on a mishearing of his name haha
@@MerkhVision lmao i love that, he's just such a hardcore sith that at some point he's changed his name to sith-is
the moment when obi wan saw luke and leia were safe and about to escape and smiled was the most beautiful moment on that movie, obi wan completed his mission.
Obi Wan was already dead before he met Luke. As Uncle Owen said. Because of a great disturbance in the force, he used his jedi powers to give himself a corporeal form, in order to guide Luke. Obi Wan taught this to Luke, which is why they both disappeared the same way at their end.
This is what Vader feared. His old and defeated enemies having the power to return to life ... when he could not harness that power himself.
"Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than you can imagine"....Obi Wan was right. He became the powerful force that drove Luke to complete his destiny and bring Vader/Anakin back to the light (as well as destroying the empire). That's why he waited for Luke to see him and then let himself get cut down.
Obi-Wan trolling Vader 24/7 as a Force ghost. Of course Vader would be terrified.
When Obi-Wan became one with the force (because saying vader killed him is a stretch)...
Vader was scared because he realized he had nobody left to hate but himself.
that's the thing with revenge, once you get it the past still stays the same
Sometimes I wonder if allowing Luke to witness his death, did Kenobi risk motivating Luke through revenge. 🧐
The Light Side Debunked…
Well to be honest thats true, but Obi-Wan was immediately able to connect with luke telling him to "Run" before he could make and harsh decisions with vader present.
I like to think that the second vader striked down obi-wan, he sealed his own fate. This allowed obi-wan to guide luke to the fullest potential, telling him to run, telling him to use the force and turn off the computer in the x-wing to destroy the death star, telling him to go to the dagobah system to learn the ways of the jedi from master yoda (who was far more powerful than obi-wan, and could obviously instruct luke better in the ways of the force than obi-wan ever could), showing up on dagobah to guide him tell him the truth that vader is indeed his father and that leia is also his sister. He could not have done all of that if he was still alive, he would have to keep hiding knowing vader was still out for his blood. Because he died and became one with the force he could use the force to guide luke without worry that he would be captured and ultimately luke would be the one to defeat vader and the emperor once and for all. Little did obi-wan know, he underestimated luke and luke managed to turn vader to the light side and convince vader to actually defeat the emperor himself. That is what he meant when he said "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine", but he actually got an even better result than he initially planned for. And because vader had turned to the light side, he got to become part of the cosmic force. a much happier ending for all of them. This is why the original star wars trilogy was so amazing, and why the other sagas pale in comparison.
@@AaronWOfficial well said! I agree
It wasn’t a risk, that was his intention! Remember they no longer upheld the old ways of the Jedi and their apathy/detachment-based perspective.
The last episode of Obi-Wan just adds to this even more. He beat Vader not once, but TWICE before, both times he could have killed him but instead walked away.
You can just imagine how Vader thought he was going to FINALLY win this time. Then obi-wan just smiles, tell him he's already lost, and lets him kill him. Then he just straight up vanishes.
Vader was a terrifying badass, but he could never measure up to Obi-Wans quiet wisdom, and he knew it.
Obi-wan the only Jedi to beat dark Vader twice and in his prime
When you think about it Obi Wan kinda beat him 3 times. Having Vader strike him down was obviously his intent so that he could transcend into a more powerful form.
I mean...I feel like the fact that the old man literally VANISHED would be something to fear. Lightsabers don't exactly do that...they cut you in half, not make a body just disappear.
"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." He then let Vader kill him while smiling and Vader knew it. His body then completely disappeared.
He chose to disappear just like Yoda did as well. They can choose when to go to the other life. This is alleged to be possible for Gurus in India. There is a book written by Yogananda where he talks about the master of his master been able to choose to just cease life whenever he wanted. I believe Obi Wan just chose to do that before Vader could strike him as his mission was over and the torch was passed it on into Luke to fight Vader now.
I find the idea of Vader being so pumped to defeat an old man in combat really funny
(I know why he is but its still funny)
Actually, Obi Wan said, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine". I think thats what probably made Vader upset when there was no body to be found.
I normally don't like a lot of UA-cam StarWars theorizing, but this was great. I think it's because you don't treat Vader as a Star Wars character, but as a human -- a human who, despite of all his power - is susceptible to fear.
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed the video 😀
The Dark Side is all about fear.
When you about to get killed but you quickly log out
Vader didn't kill him. Saber never touched him... Kenobi ghosted him just to mess with him.
Fear is so deeply intertwined with the sith philosophy that they can never really avoid it.
Absolutely cannot wait for the big duel in the kenobi show. Even though we’ll mostly know of the outcome, it’s still going to be incredible to witness it all unfold on screen.
I just want ro see details don't care about the end result. It's like saying who cares about the Old republic because we already knoe the sith get reduced to 2.
@@EmperorFist323 yes very true.
Hopefully they'll remaster the fight between old Obi Wan and Vader!
@@PyroFloe hmmm possibly? Like a post credits scene at the end of the show. After everything is said and done.
@@PyroFloe they don't have to. The rain the fight isn't flashy is due to Vader fighting Yoda in the force while simultaneously fighting obi on the death star. Read the novel from a certain point of view
" your powers are weak old man" proceeds to watch him disappear 😂
i lowkey feel like deep down vader still loved obi wan. i just find it hard to believe that he would set aside everything that obi wan did for him.
No.Literally consumed by hate as he interrupted Anikin sweetalking (w/force chokehoĺd) Padmè into ruling the galaxy w/him.
No love there @ all.
There was actually a psychological profile done on Vader and there's sufficient evidence Vader was a textbook (and perhaps Force-enhanced) case of MPD (multiple-personality disorder). Vader was a persona that slowly built up as Anakin's defense to a lifetime of hardship and trauma that Sidious nurtured. But underneath, however weak, Anakin remained and the two constantly vied for dominance.
Vader hated everything and everyone that Anakin loved. He saw them as the reason for his fall, for his pain and suffering. They survived only because Anakin remained strong enough to stay Vader's hand.
@@nefariousarcher2484 i think bpd is more likely
Not Vader, but Anakin did for sure
No way..He believed Obi turned Padme against him..!!
If Anakin didn’t try it on mustafar, how could the story have changed?🤔
He might just have become the emperor
Same story if padme died. Different story if padme lived
He literally would’ve been a god
@@StarForceOne that was the alternative ending for the revenge of the sith game for Playstation and Xbox
In the epidode 3 game if you beat obiwan carder goes on to kill the emperor and take over
I think the smile from Obi-Wan came from the fact that he knew Luke would prevail and the best way to help him (Luke) was to become a force ghost.
And Luke seeing him be struck down by Vader would also propel Luke into becoming a much more powerful jedi capable of defeating Vader.
@@joaogomes9405 Exactly
I think he also knew Anakin well enough to know his transcendence would shake him as well.
Remember, they were brothers- and all brothers are rivals. This was that finally poke to remind Anakin, “Im the elder brother, I’m the master- you still have much to learn.”
Wasnt rly anything to do with his ghost, Obiwan was saying that by martyring him, it would give Luke the push he needs to claim his destiny. It was a metaphor not a literal statement of power. Luke was still innocent at this point and losing obi wan was what allowed him to let go of his innocence and naivete and become a man willing to do what was necessary. That driving force was more powerful than anything tangible he could have given him.
Obi wan dropping "hello there" in middle of vader meditation 😂
Only six more days Am so excited to see Darth Vader in the Obi wan Kenobi series
Obi-Wan was weak but I have a feeling part of that was on purpose to give Luke a chance to witness something spectacular. A miracle if you will… and also to escape.
He did. Obi Wan was jsut distracting Vader so Luke and Co. can escape. The future lies not with him, but with Luke.
After that final strike, he was truly alone. Every person he ever held dear, was finally gone.
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In my opinion, I don’t believe that Darth Vader was fulfilled with joy by striking down his master, and that overtime it then started to dwell on him harder causing a constant confusion and discomfort. The reason for my opinion in this, is in the continuing moments of that escape scene from A New Hope, you can see Vader continuously move around and if looked closely see him trying to FIND obi wan (after striking him down). When the door closes from Luke firing the button (just to add onto my opinion) Vader takes no notice and is looking at the corner of that room/hall. For me, Vader joy was seconds, but then instantly got disrupted by the misunderstanding of Obi Wan disappearing. And started panicking in confusion. That’s when I believe Vader continued to worry.
I see it that Obi-Wan was reluctant to hurt his old friend again even though he had turned. And had the opportunity to show Luke how far gone his father had to the Dark Side so that Luke wouldn't be as easily turned by false promises
Kenobi always trolling Anakin is just the best 😅
I always noticed something when Vader was a jedi he had a shorter blade liking close distance but after fighting kenobi he can make his blade longer and smaller for both long and short distance battling
Revenge on Obi-wan fueled Vaders rage and hatred, his darkside. After he killed him it probably left him without a purpose. Also the way that obiwan lets vader win, took a lot of the enjoyment out of it I think. Obiwan clearly had the moral ‘highground’ so to speak. And I think even Vader knew after this moment that he had to rethink himself
he didnt kill obiwan. obiwan vanished. duh.
he didn't even get the kill because obi wan vanished before vader could hit him with his saber.
Maybe by training Luke and knowing what happens when an apprentice sees their master die or danger, he knew Luke would become more powerful. Sure there's the whole force ghost thing but maybe all Skywalkers have a boost from justified rage/anger 🤔
Such a cool perspective to see vaders thoughts through this situation and afterwards. Love the video
With how he let's him go in the Obi Wan series. My new view is that Vader doesn't want to kill Obi Wan. He wants him to suffer. Vader is suffering and wants others to suffer too. Hurt people, hurt people. Killing Obi Wan on the death star was more of an accident as he might have assumed that Obi Wan would have defended himself.
This actually makes sense ngl because obi wan didn’t block it
@@yoshiwaffles6682 It could also explain why in Rogue One. Vader was faster and more deadly in the hallway against the rebels. He held himself back because killing Obi Wan was not his goal. Even in Empire Strikes Back. Vader showed much more power against Luke. Because Luke is younger, faster, and over all more powerful then Obi-Wan was during those fights. If that fight against Luke, was Vader holding back. He was definitely holding back against Obi-Wan.
@@SuperShadowKin in the 70s. They didn’t have the acrobats like today
Here’s how I interpreted it: Ben knew he was dying, that’s why he was so willing to face Vader in the Death Star. At that moment when he saw Luke, he stood still and became one with the force before Vader’s blade could make contact.
Nah, Ben knew that he could defeat Vader, but choose not to, knowing that Anakin is the one to bring a balance to force, Palpatine would find another apprentice anyway, maybe through corrupting Luke or Leia. By choosing "losing to Vader" he inspired Luke & Leia to pursue their involvement in rebellion and after all who had any chances in bringing Vader back to light if not his own children?
I wonder why Vader never bothered to ask Sidious about Obi Wan’s disappearance upon being fatally struck down. If I’m a force user and I have a master, I would at least ask if he knows anything.
Vader's dreams every night after killing Obi Wan :
" Hello There"
I always thought it was funny that after Obi-Wan disappears, Vader takes his boot and starts tapping the top of Obi-Wan‘s robe on the floor. Like.. hello, are you there Obi-wan? 😂
There are so many ways to use the force.. it was naive of Vader to assume that the jedis or siths are only ones who know how to use force, when it's used in so many ways amongst different species..eg night sisters use it as a magic..but force powers include: create lightening, cause healing, enhance speed, stealth/concealment, cause pain, usebreath control, mind or thought control, become a force ghost, control battles.. and there's many more.
Imagine Anakin had a moment of realization on Mustafar and he understood what Palpatine had been doing to him, how would the fight have ended…
I think Vader foresaw the prequels and Disney and was filled with despair.
Obi wan became more powerful than he was before even though he did nothing but train Luke with that power
It's a good thing that only followers of the Light Side can become one with the Force. They are much less likely to abuse their immense power and prefer to only influence the physical world in small extend.
I mean, training Luke obviously sufficed.
i summed up all of this in watching them, but you packaged it togeather well. subbed
Too bad Annikin didn't get to do a little more research about what happens to you physically when you try to defy death using Sith techniques. Is not pretty. Lightsider force ghosts is a better way to go. Thank you Mr Obi Wan Kenobi
I like Kenobi's cocky smile, as if to say "We're about to duel, but it's my name your son is calling out."
This scene confused me when I saw it in the theatre a long time ago in a town far far away. It wasn't even explained in the next 2 movies after. It made me wonder why the galaxy wasn't filled with force ghosts.
Maybe the force ghost is a new force ability made by Jedi?
Or do force ghosts only appear to force sensitives they have a connection too…
Definitely need more info
Apparently.. "Before the Fall of the Republic, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn learned the ability to become a Force spirit from the Shaman of the Whills" I heard that Qui-Gon learned it around ep 1, but no other jedi's were aware.. So it is possible that he taught Obi-Wan and or some other jedi's like Yoda.
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine"-Obi Wan Kenobi. His voice through his force ghost prescence even guided Luke during the attack of the death star
'if you strike me down with anger, I will be with you forever'...
This is a wise saying, and true for humans, soldiers and politicians... PTSD
Obi-wan didn’t tell Vader, if you strike me down, I will be with you forever?
He said, “you can’t win Vader, if you strike me down, I will become more powerful then you can possible imagine.”
Good video though. 👍🏽
Yeah wtf, kinda shakes your faith in this being a wholly reliable source of information.
@@justanuff - that and the loads of pure supposition? I knew this wasn't reliable long before that line.
A thought: Anakin/Vader wanted to stop ppl from dying, and there obi wan went, not dying but disappeared into…what? Maybe to Vader, that was a glimpse of something he always wanted, to not die, and he knew it, or may have not just been scared, but upset that he could now never learn the truth from obi wan after sidius lied to him the whole time and never taught him what obi wan just displayed in front of Vader’s very eyes.
I mean, if the notoriously tricky space wizard who taught you most of what you know told you to your face that if you kill him he'll become more powerful that you could possibly imagine and then laid down his weapon for you to strike him only for him to nonchalantly poof out of thin air as soon as you cut him in half with your lightsaber, you'd probably crap your pants and become insanely paranoid too.
Of course he would be scared. He knew Obi-Wan was The Master of trolling. And now, Vader had no way to stop Obi-Wan from trolling him. Ever
I think that he was haunted by by the fact that he killed his best friend and brother at that time, the only remnant of his past as Anakin. We’re led to believe throughout the entire franchise that Anakin was never truly gone, but that he was just lost. That’s why Vader even has his redemption at the end of ROTJ. Everyone and their mom in the galaxy knew how close Obi-Wan and Anakin were, so I choose to interpret it partly as Vader being scared his former master has a final trick up his sleeve, but there’s also a part that, deep down in his Anakin core, regrets killing him and becomes obsessed partly out of sorrow.
Well Obi-Wan didn't teach everything he knew to Anakin. After the Mustafa fight when Vader was already on the dark side, Yoda told Obi-Wan to learn a way to communicate with his old master Qui-Gonn so he did. And that's exactly why he just disappeared being struck down. He can then just appear anywhere he wants to as shown on Dagobah multiple times thus becoming way more powerful than ever before.
Or at least that's what happened in my mind.
Obi Wan: “Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”.
Vader: [Kills Obi Wan]
Obi Wan’s Voice: “It’s over, Vader. Once again…I have the high ground”.
Vader: “Noooooooooooo”!
I thought of Darth Vader in his room all stressed out and jumping at every noise makes me laugh
I hope there are scenes where Obi Wan communes with Qui Gon! I want to see what the training Yoda spoke of at the end of Episode III was! So hyped for next Friday!!!
They Will give you gorgeous shots of the inquisitor apprentice and glimpses of obi wan with ptsd
It airs on Wednesday's not Fridays
@@tonyg20for7 the first 2 ep’s air’d on a Friday. His comment was 2 weeks ago. So he is correct
This is great!! I never really thought of this, it did kinda freak me out the first time I watched it when I was a kid though. Loved your break down.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it :)
So basically Obi Wan was living rent free in Vaders head 😂
You know this connects to Kenobi really well in the line that for Anakin needs to learn to let go and how that is a constant obstacle in his life since he was a child. Even well into his age he could never learn to let go and it wasn’t until his death and seeing his son before him did he release what he held onto and it took all his life to finally move on. A good arc 🙂
The fight in the show was legendary
the smile could mean "i didnt sabe u 20 years ago, now ur own child will save u"
Thanks, Mr. Obi-Wan. The series turned out better than I was expecting and not as bad as I feared.
Last night's Obi-Wan Kenobi episode changes this video quite a lot
Obi won in the end. He was old and knew he didn’t have much time left so he decided to let Vader strike him down with Luke watching knowing this would fuel him to destroy Vader and the dark side as a result. He also tortured Vader in the process.
Everyone gets this detail wrong. He didn’t become Vader when they put him in the suit. He became Vader when he was knighted as Vader by Sideous.
vader one day after he killed obi wan: BODIES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT MAN!!! WHERE DID HE GO??
Obiwans ascension gave him the highest ground possible, he became goku on a cloud
Story aside, can we admit how nostalgia the graphics were in episode IV
The "Old Man" always had Vader's number. Even is that silly Obi-Wan show, the old man ripped Vader a new one. Obi-Wan rocked. \m/
I'd say 1 because he literally just disappeared once hit, and 2 was probably terrified that he would come back to haunt him, not necessarily knowing he became a force ghost but perhaps in dreams or for a final confrontation.
That's just what I think, now on with the video
This was a great video. Thank you. I've never thought of Vader's mental state after the immediate events of Ben Kenobi disappearing. It seemed to me Vader was gloating in the victory regardless how he got it.
The mental anguish of wondering if this was a mind trick and Kenobi could jump out of the rafters of his new space station to kill him, like Kenobi did to General Grievous in the prequels, is entertaining to think about.
Thanks Mr OB 1, right to the end great content
Legend! 😁
erm with the kenobi series out now does this change the opening of what is explained in the video?
What if the whole time he was on the death star he was a force projection like old Luke and was preparing to become one with the force while creating a decoy for Luke and Leia the whole time?
This tells you how spooked Thrawn was when one moment he pulled the trigger and the next Bendu was gone and all he could here was laughter.
So in the end Obi wans consciousness was immortal and Vader was haunted for the rest of his life Obi wan was the true Victor in the death star
Obi-Wan wasn't only immortal but also more power ful than even Darth Sidious. He became a part of the Force itself and could still influence the physical world if he wanted to (and did by teaching Luke).
This is a central point of all of Star Wars: The Sith Code states that you can "break your chains" and become free by accumulating power and following your ambitions. Most Sith try to become immortal and all-powerful because the two things they fear most are being powerless and being dead. Becoming one with the Force would accomplish just that. However, a follower of the Dark Side is unable to become one with the Force. Only Light Side beings can achieve that.
That's why the Sith Code is a trap. It lures in highly-ambitious people and makes them even more ambitious but in the end, they are doomed to be nothing more than a slve of their own ambitions. Whereas the Jedi code teaches to learn about the world, become knowledgeable, help other people, and spread joy. They are the most free.
Star Wars is basically George Lucas telling us about his view on life.
@@seb0rn739 I figure he probably did the heaving lifting when it came to guiding the torpedo down the Achille's Vent in the Death Star. That made him powerful indeed.
Revenge never grants peace...only more pain...
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Can you imagine Kenobi standing beside Vader while he sleep, just standing there menacingly. Would drive anyone mad
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