Priest Daniel here from ROCOR, the white collar and the western suit was introduced by Meletios Metaxakis, a rather liberal Oecoemenical Patriarch. People have not recovered since. There is no white collar Orthodox tradition. Could not agree more with Fr. Peter here. We are greeted with absolute joy and astonishment everywhere we go in our cassocks. Just today I was at the store where the worker was complaining how he saw his Cardinal in almost like a jeans attire one day. They were very fond of me wearing the cassock. How many times I’ve been greeted or asked for blessings by various Orthodox people at soccer games, school concerts, and other places. I went to the movie theater the other day with my family where I met parishioners of ours. You never know who will meet you and where. The conversations you start wearing your cassocks are simply unmatched. Muslims are asking you to pray for them or their relatives. The list goes on. Wear your cassocks, Fathers. Don’t be ashamed. This is spreading the Word without talking. This is telling the world we are here. We have not disappeared. We are not dinosaurs.
how true and how wonderful you get to engage in that way. It is like the nuns, I see a nun out, rarely, and I always walk up and say hi and ask what order she is and then ask her to pray for me.
@@theherbalsanctuary811 I’m not sure if you are referring to Orthodox nuns. There are no “orders” in Orthodox monasticism. This is a Catholic custom. Nothing wrong with it, just different custom.
[I am using my husband's phone so the name you see isn't mine. ] Thank you, Fr. Daniel. Abt. TRYPHON spoke in a video about a year ago on the same subject and the absolute importance to him that he be recognized as an Orthodox priest for the kinds of reasons you mentioned. I have had very few conversations with priests who wear the white collar, but I can't tell you that I felt the same hardtoexplain depth that I feel with those I am usually around who have the beards, long hair, and the kinds of garments we see on those like Fr. Peter.. In any case, thank you for your help on this. Linda/ MARY
I am so happy that my orthodox priest do not wear the white collar. As an ex protestant an newly baptized Orthodox was important I didn't see the Roman Catholic Church.
My Greek Orthodox Priest here in the midwest wears the white collar along with the long cassock. The term "modernist" is what Ive heard this style called - shorter hair and beards as well.
@@The.Orthodox.Christian the Greek church under Elpidiphoros is dying and going in terrible directions. Elpidiphoros will lead your church into terrible error such as same sex union and ordaining women, he’s already started the “handmaiden ministry” having little girls wear vestments
Axion Estin, that is: "It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word."
I agree, but another question, some orthodox priests choose to wear a white shirt under their anteri/riassa to make it look similar what is your opinion about this?
I've seen many priests wear white under their cassock. While it's not traditional, I think it's better than a straight dog collar. But no white is best.
I know you’re not asking me, but I thought I should add to this discussion. I’m not one to judge the clergy but I thought it was encouraged for them not to consider their outward appearance in order to conform to some cultural norm, an example being the uncut messy beards.
@@pajcka I’m not sure what your point is. I think that’s what I was saying about them not considering their appearance. Or did you misread what I said?
and there are some protestant denominations that wear the white collar as well, which when most people see it they assume that person is Roman Catholic and they aren't. The cassock is not so much a look that other protestant ministers would adopt.
I started going to an Antiochian church recently. They have a Greek priest who comes every other week to perform Divine Liturgy. He wears the white collar.
There's a lot about the Greek church that is off, the collars, no confession, tons of money, they're also the most xenophobic that I've experienced; I tell people not to bother unless its the ONLY Ortho church near them.
Who said that there is no confession in the Greek Orthodox Church? There might be modernist priests but there also traditionalist priests who promote repentance and confession. Need to stop generalising. We are living in an age of apostasy unfortunately. The struggle now is more mental and psychological than ever and there is more to come with the laying down of the global grid. The plandemic was just a warmup and most people fell for, most in the church but mainly those with no concept of God. Lord have Mercy on all of us!
Orthodoxy is a living and breathing organism and then adapts and changes depending on different factors so there was a Time in America where Protestants would attack Catholic and Orthodox for wearing the traditional black garb so he is orthodox started wearing suits outside of liturgy. Just so we wouldn't be attacked. In the same thing has happened a lot of places in the west I don't personally see it as a problem. For me personally this should be solved by counsel. The Orthodox Church of America and all of its Bishops that are in America and Canada should just come together and talk on these issues so we can finally solve them.
The fact that Saints have worn a white collar shows it's not a serious issue nor an impediment to holiness. There's a funny hermeneutic on this channel where anything the Saints say or do that you agree with is "the Orthodox view" and "you have to follow the Saints," but anything the Saints say or do that you disagree with is "an exception" and "Saints can err." Anyone can see that there is significant cherry-picking here.
Actually, come to think of it, there's Saints who have worn the white collar but *zero* Saints have written against it. So the testimony of Saints is decidedly *pro* white collar.
😢 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." - Some Saint
@@maxprescott9371 I am wondering, my friend, how we can know that The Lord and His Apostles never spoke of these things if not all of it is written down. 🫣
@@ErimitisOnesimus Hello, thanks for sharing… I believe that if clothing for religious purposes was really important, the New Testament would have recorded it,, we run the risk of slipping into Pharaseeism and religiousity by like the Jevvs in Jesus time who loved to be seen in public with their flowing fancy ritualistic robes….. what do you think 💭?
Oh I am SOOO scandalized! Why not ask your own priest rather than an online priest? There may a reason that Fr Peter is unaware of. Are we going to be pharisees straining on gnats?
Typically the grey ones are linen and are a little more breathable in the summer. There's also red and brown ones as I recall. But yes black ones are more traditional. I don't see many priests wearing the different colored ones to be fair.
Wait!!! Not the grey one!! lol 😂 Have you ever been to Bulgaria, or any orthodox county and see the varieties of cassock styles and colors? I’ve seen black, grey, tan, white, and ….RED with amazing embroidery (very beautiful too). It’s a cassock, not a Riassa. Ps… I’ve seen the same here in NY. It’s ok. ✅
It identifies them as a cleric, though I like seeing my priest in his cassock I do understand the "need" to wear a black shirt and collar here in the west. I consider this one of those needless arguments mentioned in recent scriptures for us to shy away from.
what is the need? How does a black shirt and white collar identify as "cleric"? actually heretic cleric we should be saying. In fact a priest is less identifiable that way among the masses, it's easier to go unnoticed and that is probably why some modern orthodox priests dress like that. On the contrary a natural (not fancy cut) beard, head cap, cassock and cross clearly identify as an orthodox priest....
what need is that exactly? Lots of other people who follow other religions such as Islam, Hinduism, etc, wear their religious garb just fine in the West.
@@billybenson3834 You didn't answer the question as to what the need was... and it's not so much the nature of white collar, rather the whole stance of the priest. Ofcourse not saying that white collar condemns somebody but it is characteristic of "εκοσμίκευση" which is the pitfall of todays clergy and laity....
I’m all for traditional Orthodox clerical attire…BUT…give me a priest who has real Christian love though he is clean shaven and wears a collar and shirt and pants ANY DAY over a priest who looks traditionally Orthodox and lacks real love.
Sorry, but you're not traditional, but comforts... To be a real Orthodox priest or layman, you need to be a fighter and put Christ on you, not excuses... All the best! 😉🍷🇷🇸
true for everyone. growing up, born and raised RC but working towards Orthodoxy, we had a priest Father Jennings. He wore the white collar but wore jeans when not teaching at school or saying Mass. He would go work with the troubled youth in our city (washington d.c.) and help the sisters with their outdoor yard work. We always felt we could tell him anything and he would know the answer or know how to fix it. One Christmas he rented a farm truck filled it with hay bales and drove us around Caroling. Then at the end of my 7th grade year he got transferred. We were crushed. The priest who took his place was very stern and dressed very priestly but going to confession to him was intimidating. Come to think of it, I think that is about when I stopped going to confession regularly. huh. Anyway dress doesn't make the priest, but when there is one who is holy on the inside and wears traditional attire that is something special.
Priest Daniel here from ROCOR, the white collar and the western suit was introduced by Meletios Metaxakis, a rather liberal Oecoemenical Patriarch. People have not recovered since. There is no white collar Orthodox tradition. Could not agree more with Fr. Peter here. We are greeted with absolute joy and astonishment everywhere we go in our cassocks. Just today I was at the store where the worker was complaining how he saw his Cardinal in almost like a jeans attire one day. They were very fond of me wearing the cassock. How many times I’ve been greeted or asked for blessings by various Orthodox people at soccer games, school concerts, and other places. I went to the movie theater the other day with my family where I met parishioners of ours. You never know who will meet you and where. The conversations you start wearing your cassocks are simply unmatched. Muslims are asking you to pray for them or their relatives. The list goes on. Wear your cassocks, Fathers. Don’t be ashamed. This is spreading the Word without talking. This is telling the world we are here. We have not disappeared. We are not dinosaurs.
how true and how wonderful you get to engage in that way. It is like the nuns, I see a nun out, rarely, and I always walk up and say hi and ask what order she is and then ask her to pray for me.
@@theherbalsanctuary811 I’m not sure if you are referring to Orthodox nuns. There are no “orders” in Orthodox monasticism. This is a Catholic custom. Nothing wrong with it, just different custom.
[I am using my husband's phone so the name you see isn't mine. ]
Thank you, Fr. Daniel.
Abt. TRYPHON spoke in a video about a year ago on the same subject and the absolute importance to him that he be recognized as an Orthodox priest for the kinds of reasons you mentioned.
I have had very few conversations with priests who wear the white collar, but I can't tell you that I felt the same hardtoexplain depth that I feel with those I am usually around who have the beards, long hair, and the kinds of garments we see on those like Fr. Peter..
In any case, thank you for your help on this.
Linda/ MARY
Absolutely spot on. God bless you who wrote these comments. Thank you so much🕊️
I am so happy that my orthodox priest do not wear the white collar. As an ex protestant an newly baptized Orthodox was important I didn't see the Roman Catholic Church.
My Greek Orthodox Priest here in the midwest wears the white collar along with the long cassock. The term "modernist" is what Ive heard this style called - shorter hair and beards as well.
@@wjckc79You ok?
@@wjckc79I love my greek parish. Why are you pinning Orthodox against Orthodox? We are One.
@@The.Orthodox.Christian the Greek church under Elpidiphoros is dying and going in terrible directions. Elpidiphoros will lead your church into terrible error such as same sex union and ordaining women, he’s already started the “handmaiden ministry” having little girls wear vestments
@@The.Orthodox.Christian Agree. The Liturgy is still The Liturgy regardless of nuances in appearance.
@@wjckc79 We still have Mt Athos :)
Behind every white collar heresy lurks is what i like to say.
It began with Donald McLeod the Scottish Presbyterian.
what is the song at the end of your videos?
The hymn is Axion Esti Άξιον Εστιν (It is Meet) from the Divine Liturgy, and beautifully chanted ❤
Axion Estin, that is: "It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word."
I just follow the monks of greece esp St Paisios.
I agree, but another question, some orthodox priests choose to wear a white shirt under their anteri/riassa to make it look similar what is your opinion about this?
No good.
I've seen many priests wear white under their cassock. While it's not traditional, I think it's better than a straight dog collar. But no white is best.
I know you’re not asking me, but I thought I should add to this discussion. I’m not one to judge the clergy but I thought it was encouraged for them not to consider their outward appearance in order to conform to some cultural norm, an example being the uncut messy beards.
@@FightingMyPassions
Beards don't count. Being a priest is not being a model.
@@pajcka I’m not sure what your point is. I think that’s what I was saying about them not considering their appearance. Or did you misread what I said?
and there are some protestant denominations that wear the white collar as well, which when most people see it they assume that person is Roman Catholic and they aren't. The cassock is not so much a look that other protestant ministers would adopt.
The white collar is also referred to as the Frankish collar in emanated from Frank’s countries many years ago
I started going to an Antiochian church recently. They have a Greek priest who comes every other week to perform Divine Liturgy. He wears the white collar.
The previous Antiochian metropolitan used to wear a white collar.
Sad
Ask him why he does it, humbly. I wonder what his answer is?
If you're in southeast GA that may actually be my priest coming to your parish
@olubunmiolumuyiwa yes i know i woiild.But humbly of course
Saint John martyr of Santa Cruz wore the white collar.
There's a lot about the Greek church that is off, the collars, no confession, tons of money, they're also the most xenophobic that I've experienced; I tell people not to bother unless its the ONLY Ortho church near them.
Who said that there is no confession in the Greek Orthodox Church?
There might be modernist priests but there also traditionalist priests who promote repentance and confession.
Need to stop generalising.
We are living in an age of apostasy unfortunately.
The struggle now is more mental and psychological than ever and there is more to come with the laying down of the global grid. The plandemic was just a warmup and most people fell for, most in the church but mainly those with no concept of God.
Lord have Mercy on all of us!
I attend a Greek parish. Young traditional, cassock wearing priest, must confess regularly, etc
👍
Its a roman catholic thing and its creepy!
In my experience, priests who wear it are very worldly and fixated on attracting persons to Orthodoxy by making it more relatable to secular culture.
Why is the Thumbnail of Fr Maxym Lyssack lol
Orthodoxy is a living and breathing organism and then adapts and changes depending on different factors so there was a Time in America where Protestants would attack Catholic and Orthodox for wearing the traditional black garb so he is orthodox started wearing suits outside of liturgy. Just so we wouldn't be attacked. In the same thing has happened a lot of places in the west I don't personally see it as a problem. For me personally this should be solved by counsel. The Orthodox Church of America and all of its Bishops that are in America and Canada should just come together and talk on these issues so we can finally solve them.
@@PaisiosOfGOAOA
It was resolved a long time ago.
The White Collar is "probably" similar to the men's necktie in office.
the catholic gathering works like a corporation
Fathrr John Karastamatis is photoed with a collar.
Exceptions, as Fr. Peter mentioned, exist. They’re not the rule. They shouldn’t be imitated.
@@OrthodoxEthosSt. Raphael of Brooklyn is also photographed with a white collar.
The fact that Saints have worn a white collar shows it's not a serious issue nor an impediment to holiness. There's a funny hermeneutic on this channel where anything the Saints say or do that you agree with is "the Orthodox view" and "you have to follow the Saints," but anything the Saints say or do that you disagree with is "an exception" and "Saints can err." Anyone can see that there is significant cherry-picking here.
Actually, come to think of it, there's Saints who have worn the white collar but *zero* Saints have written against it. So the testimony of Saints is decidedly *pro* white collar.
It's not cherry picking, you don't understand the context.
I know a deacon who wears one
avoid him
@GhibaGigi-z9z no.
Interesting that Jesus never talked about religious clothing. If it were so important, He or the Apostles would have spoken about it.📚👈
😢 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." - Some Saint
@ From the Gospel of John,,,,, what point are you trying to make ??
@@maxprescott9371 Orthodox Christianity holds to both the Holy Tradition and the Holy Scripture.
@@maxprescott9371 I am wondering, my friend, how we can know that The Lord and His Apostles never spoke of these things if not all of it is written down. 🫣
@@ErimitisOnesimus Hello, thanks for sharing… I believe that if clothing for religious purposes was really important, the New Testament would have recorded it,, we run the risk of slipping into Pharaseeism and religiousity by like the Jevvs in Jesus time who loved to be seen in public with their flowing fancy ritualistic robes….. what do you think 💭?
Hate hate hate this collar. It has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.
@@kingattila506 your silly
We have a reader who's adopted a grey colored cassock and I'm curious why our priest would allow it.
Oh I am SOOO scandalized! Why not ask your own priest rather than an online priest? There may a reason that Fr Peter is unaware of.
Are we going to be pharisees straining on gnats?
Typically the grey ones are linen and are a little more breathable in the summer. There's also red and brown ones as I recall. But yes black ones are more traditional. I don't see many priests wearing the different colored ones to be fair.
Wait!!! Not the grey one!! lol 😂
Have you ever been to Bulgaria, or any orthodox county and see the varieties of cassock styles and colors? I’ve seen black, grey, tan, white, and ….RED with amazing embroidery (very beautiful too). It’s a cassock, not a Riassa.
Ps… I’ve seen the same here in NY. It’s ok. ✅
Our retired priest wore a dark green cassock-a nod to his Irish roots.
:-0
It identifies them as a cleric, though I like seeing my priest in his cassock I do understand the "need" to wear a black shirt and collar here in the west. I consider this one of those needless arguments mentioned in recent scriptures for us to shy away from.
what is the need? How does a black shirt and white collar identify as "cleric"? actually heretic cleric we should be saying. In fact a priest is less identifiable that way among the masses, it's easier to go unnoticed and that is probably why some modern orthodox priests dress like that. On the contrary a natural (not fancy cut) beard, head cap, cassock and cross clearly identify as an orthodox priest....
what need is that exactly? Lots of other people who follow other religions such as Islam, Hinduism, etc, wear their religious garb just fine in the West.
Straining on gnats
@@billybenson3834 You didn't answer the question as to what the need was... and it's not so much the nature of white collar, rather the whole stance of the priest. Ofcourse not saying that white collar condemns somebody but it is characteristic of "εκοσμίκευση" which is the pitfall of todays clergy and laity....
I’m all for traditional Orthodox clerical attire…BUT…give me a priest who has real Christian love though he is clean shaven and wears a collar and shirt and pants ANY DAY over a priest who looks traditionally Orthodox and lacks real love.
How do u come to as u say real love?? How do come to know real love ?
It is through truth.Its all part of that.
Sorry, but you're not traditional, but comforts... To be a real Orthodox priest or layman, you need to be a fighter and put Christ on you, not excuses... All the best! 😉🍷🇷🇸
true for everyone. growing up, born and raised RC but working towards Orthodoxy, we had a priest Father Jennings. He wore the white collar but wore jeans when not teaching at school or saying Mass. He would go work with the troubled youth in our city (washington d.c.) and help the sisters with their outdoor yard work. We always felt we could tell him anything and he would know the answer or know how to fix it. One Christmas he rented a farm truck filled it with hay bales and drove us around Caroling. Then at the end of my 7th grade year he got transferred. We were crushed. The priest who took his place was very stern and dressed very priestly but going to confession to him was intimidating. Come to think of it, I think that is about when I stopped going to confession regularly. huh. Anyway dress doesn't make the priest, but when there is one who is holy on the inside and wears traditional attire that is something special.
@@ЉубомирБошковићRead the Gospel again
@@jovanapleskonjic5726Read the Gospel and find many clues about real love
True Catholic Church and Orthodox Unite
It's one united understanding of Christ after all! Regular flavor Christ, Cosmic Christ... it's all the same !
?!???
@@OrthodoxEthos I'm being facetious.
@@OrthodoxEthos That sad thing is that you rightly could not tell and I understand that.
*throws tomatoes*
The white collar is also referred to as the Frankish collar in emanated from Frank’s countries many years ago