Definitely gonna keep using my Ellen even tho i did pull Miyabi. Plus i don't wanna rely too much on Miyabi cuz she feels like you're playing with training wheels on ngl
Another great thing imo you should have mentioned is freezing a stunned enemy. Since freeze stops the enemy's stun bar to tick down, it is a great way to extend the stun duration and do full ellen ult on a frozen target without loosing stun duration.
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Unfortunately, this is part of a major negative because you cannot benefit from quick assist buff effects (Starlight Engine and Astral Voice) if you enter roaming state from quick assist because it is not the quick assist attack itself.
2:00 so you're telling me the reason ellen feels bad to play against rapid attacking enemies is... that she's also secretly a rhythm game char like S11? damn.
@@pabloruiz821And people act like they aren’t going to skyrocket enemy HP in the future too, with 2.0 eventually in a few months or whatever. Any time a new DPS sets a new range, it makes it harder on weaker dps to clear content as players have to sweat way more to clear using them. Yes, powerful supports give more of a boost to weaker dps than already powerful ones, but that still means that if you’re not going to pull for the latest and greatest DPS, and want to use old ones, then you need to instead pull for the latest and greatest supports instead and kind of end up in the same situation. So yeah, you can pull for Astra and use her to make your DPS that are at Ellen or below’s level more competitive for a while, but you’ll still HAVE to eventually pull Astra or a similarly powerful support to ensure they can fully clear content by say 2.0’s enemy HP increase levels. And still have to play more precisely to do so. That’s just how all gatcha work. There is no avoiding it. The only variable is how FAST the power creep occurs. We haven’t seen a huge explosion in HP levels yet like HSR has been doing the last couple patches, but once Miyabi and Astra and Evelyn are all setting a new DPS floor don’t be too shocked if we see a sudden spike.
Ellen is much more satisfying to play than Miyabi in Lost Void imo, which is currently the most long lasting endgame mode in the game. She gets much more gameplay changing and interesting upgrades and actually feels really smooth to play there, even without M2. It's not all about character power or clear time.
And that's the only thing where she's kind of more fun and that's miyabis entire gear is extremely minor, just to kind of prop up ellen. You can vouch for her all you want but when it comes down to viability she's null. Ellen and zhu are wasted pulls especially when Astra/Evelyn/qingli/and idols are around her reprint.
@@Kspice9000 That's where you’re objectively wrong though. There is powercreep. It is severe. But powercreep is not the same as and doesn't automatically translate to viability. Ellen can still S Rank all content roughly half a year later, at M0 no less. She can even do it with Lycaon + Soukaku. I have her. I get 25k+ on Deadly Assault with that team at M0. 35k+ with limited character team mates. She's not just viable, she's strong past viability. Are there stronger alternatives? Absolutely. Does powercreep make her not viable? Absolutely not. Don't equate powercreep with viability. You can make this argument once Ellen is A or B clearing content in summer at M0 and barely S clears at M2. Right now she's perfectly viable.
You totally didn't have to re-record the agent intro with Anby and Soukaku, and yet you did, and it looks very stylish ❤ that and the very nice explanations earned you a sub
Be careful, I saw that you used that last ult immediately after pressing EX, which will consume energy but cancel out of the EX special, so you pay the price but don't get the damage. In this run it didn't matter because the ult finished the fight, but it could result in a big dps loss if accidentally done earlier in the fight.
Thanks for this one, fam! It's about midnight where I am, so I'll save the rest of the video for when I can properly understand it. I've been a Day 1 player and Ellen main, and you still taught me a few things I either forgot or didn't discover on my own. Thank you for the short but informative videos; they are truly appreciated!
Powercreep is only a thing if you are not invested in certain character or understand their kit I also thought Grace was powercreep by yanagi until I realized I was using Grace wrong this entire time. Yanagi wants field time where grace want less field time but I was using grace on field all the time and got frustrated at how low her dmg was not realizing she excelled at disorder. so I still enjoy my two disorder teams consisting of on field/less on field/support PiperGraceLucy and YanagiBurniceRina Ellen is also the same thing. Ice team is still lacking in member like Ether, and to say Ellen is powercreep by Miyabi is kinda lame. Because which dps unit isn’t powercreep by Miyabi? Ellen gameplay is based on dmg output and stun, Miyabi is an alternative Attack agent yes but she still relies more on disorder and anomaly to build her dmg output
I am using both Ellen and Miyabi in parallel teams, and quite, quite happy. With Lycaon and Soukaku having their ults now, she seems stronger than ever. And I don't even have her signature, using nekomata's. Ironically, it's Zhu Yuan and Qingyi who happen to be unused most of the time.
btw if u start the chain attack with soukaku you can chain to ellen then skip the next chain attack then quickly switching to someone who can trigger chain quickly (usually i use lycaon's charged basic) u can use ellen's chain attack twice since soukaku's buff lasts very long even after the enemy is no longer stunned
You might want to mention that entering roaming state from quick assist does not grant combat buff effects from Starlight Engine and Astral Voice because you need to land the quick assist attack. Extending her assist follow-up is also not a good idea because it is not powered up by flash freeze stacks. Ellen didn't fall off when Miyabi launched. She fell off when Zhu Yuan was released in the next banner because most enemies that are Ice weak are also Ether weak. Even worse than that, Zhu Yuan's highest MV animations are much faster and safer than Ellen's, who has to commit to lengthy and vulnerable animations. To add insult to injury, one of Ellen's best support pairings in speed clearing, Nicole, also provides additional Ether% buffs to Zhu Yuan.
Great explanation video! I've been an Ellen main since Day 1, and I still use her because her mechanics and gameplay are so fun. Extra tip: Use the Manual Chain Attacks On setting. This will let you get more damage out of BA3 when proccing Stun, because you can hold it longer for more damage and only trigger Chain Attack when you let go. Don't pass up her Signature W-Engine on her re-run, either, free +20% CritRate from its passives makes it easy to get 100% CritRate on Ellen.
Pro tip I just learned yesterday with Soukaku. You can weave another enhanced basic attack after Fly the flag before using quick assist. It's a small thing but in boss fights the damage from it adds up and you don't really spend much time on it since we swap cancel using quick assist.
I just found this channel and oh my god the amount of information that is being presented is insane. Really excited to see what else gets found in this game
I unironically think her c1 is worth the investment more than her wengine. She feels sooo much smoothier that if you got her on her release, make yourself a favor and pull her again, getting 6 stacks with a single hold and 3 with any quick hold makes it so your dps window is not interrupted by having to get more stacks and if you do need more, a fast hold is enough near the end of a dazed enemy state
Her c2 too to be honest. Basically allows you to skip tail swipe, directly to Sharknami. If you do it after a attack 3 for the energy cost of a tail swipe. If you have that, with enough energy you can attack 1-2-3 and then set her on a cycle skarknami/attack 3 over and over. Maker her optimal damage combo much smoother. Honestly c1 - c2 are the only two mindscape that improve her gameplay significantly. C4 is nice but you don't need it if you manage your resources properly. And C6 give a massive damage bonus obviously but it doesn't really change her play style. I thought she was a pain to play at C0. Enjoyable at C1. And really fun at C2.
My first build up team was Lycaon, Soukaku and Ellen and thanks to this guide now I see that I just played her the right way the only thing I didn't knew was the prolonged attack holding the button, good guide.
Due to her core, she is great in handling enemy that only hit once in a while, this allow her to always able to do the charge attack. Or of course, pair her with Lighter to only bring her for big attack is a great choice too
Great vid, have Miyabi but if still love using Ellen, especially with her School Outfit coming out she's still my favorite agent! I've also finally gotten around to farming for better better disk for her and Nicole with the two new set so I'm hoping for some luck there! Keep it up!
What i want to see is alternative skills and "buff" . They already do it in the special hollow so totally possible on the default mode. They could put it behind buying a new skin , that you can visualy activate or not , just like your signature W engine . I'm sure it would be a great way to protect your character from being powercrept too hard.
One important thing you did not mention is Arctic Ambush, Her attack while in Roaming does not use any of her saved Flash Freeze charges. This means you can loop her roaming attack to build charges instead of doing a full hold attack. How to Loop, Any attack in the game for the most part can be canceled with a dodge. Ellen enters Roaming state by holding the dodge key. By canceling Arctic Ambush after hitting with a dodge you can then enter Roaming and do it again. In this way you can build Flash Freeze charges when it might not be safe to do a full hold attack for 3 charges.
I really want Ellen even though I have a M2 Miyabi. I am really tired and over the anomaly playstyle. Nothing beats the classic attacker, stunner, and support teamwork.
missed her sig because I started playing 8 days before her banner expired and rushed her 50/50, but now that rerun is on the table I am 27 pulls away on a guarentee and have 30 in stock. The sig will be mine, and I agree with her flow in combat being so much fun to play. I've never once thought of sidelining her amidst all of the community saying "she's gonna suck after miyabi" and "soukaku bad in modern patches" because They Just Didn't Know The Sauce, also overall really happy I have the ability to use her effectively in modes like DA and Tower. Good video :)
She's te reason I started playing. I would bench my miyabi any time and not use her again if it means extending the fun I'll have with my favorite characters
For me U didn't mention how long ellen needs to hold dash attack for 3 stack. and the main source dos Ellen comes from BA3 so its better to hold button when spam BA3 than tap tap
to be fair, every attacker agent struggles on bringer. bringer was made to be murdered by disorder comps. ellen still comfortably gets 20k plus on the dead end butcher this time around.
I don't really get why they say she got powercrept by miyabi, like yea she somewhat did but end game basically focuses on you as a player having multiple viable team comps, for example in my case i have miyabi and shes stupid powerful so i use her in some team comps that can probably need her hypercarry potential, but in case of my ice team all im really missing is Ellen and it'd be complete and in that sense miyabi doesn't really come into play, so Ellen is insanely useful still if you consider team comps at least, having an ice attacker is already good especially considering we have a long way to go until we get Vlad as another ice attacker
She did get powercrept, just that the contents didn't get hp inflated to compensate for miyabi's power(yet). So day 1 units like ellen are still very much viable.
@@phosphophyllitepansy8516 Yeah i can see that and that's what im aiming towards aswell, also she's a waifu pick so there's that, but waiting a loooong time for something that could rival Ellen (Vlad the ice attacker) is counter productive i guess, at least for the team comp i want to have right now for endgame content
I think Shiyu is endgame content. I see alot of teams using Ellen on the non-Bringer and Bringer side of deadly assault. Miyabi makes it easier without a doubt but Ellen definitely isnt struggling. Just gotta learn the monster mechanics and abuse dodging
I just started to play this game one week ago. I don't pull for Miyabi, cause i don't like her. But Ellen looks very interesting. I wonder should i pull for her or not.
I really wanted to get Ellen (I lost 50/50), but recently I’ve achieved perfection with DPS Lycaon, so I’m sorry, little one, but I prefer the other ice Victoria Housekeeping character (I might still get her if I win 50/50s on astra)
So I have a question. I have missed out on Ellen because I was just starting out with ZZZ and was trying to figure the game out. Now with her finally rerunning I definitely plan on pulling for her but my QUESTION is….should I pull for her Mindscape 1? I plan on using Brimstone W engine for her so that doesn’t go to waste but does her M1 make her a little smoother to play and is it worth it? Thank you for the video too btw! 🙏
I need some input, Up till today I'm still using 4pc polar and 2pc of new disk, blade. Still, I feel my ellen dmg output kinda lackluster. Should I change the 4pc to woodpecker or just stick with the current one? 🤔
Funniest thing is, Ellen at M2 is bananas. Her entire combo changes, and she becomes a monster that can just deal constant damage. EX meter management becomes much easier, and so do her stacks. It literally boosts her to Miyabi M0 level.
When it comes to building Miyabi, you want to prioritise getting her Crit rate to or as close to 80% as you can because her core passive translates Crit rate to additional anomaly buildup 1:1, capping at 80% This in turn helps you generate more anomaly procs It's why everyone should do Woodpecker 2-Set for Crit Rate + Branch and Blade 4-Set. Branch and Blade is pretty much purpose built for Miyabi. Then get yourself discs which have a varying main stat of Crit Rate, Ice Damage and... I think Atk% Or Crit Damage? Crit damage is your secondary priority stat to build up since due to getting her crit rate to such a high number, you tend to proc those crits very consistently. Getting her W-Engine both helps at achieving that Crit Rate goal and to also substantially boost her damage output. For comps you can either do Mono Ice (cheapest approach being Soukaku + Lycaon) or a Disorder Comp (Soukaku/Lucy then Anomaly, usually Burnice, Piper or Yanagi) Mono Ice still can proc Disorders thanks to Miyabi having a unique Anomaly attribute Frostburn so ideally you'd have Miyabi on the field for most of the combat while having Lycaon inflict stun and Soukaku buff Miyabi. As for playing her, she's pretty simple to work around. Usually you try to build up her resource meter to hit 6 Foxfire since that's when you get to proc the flashy, large AOE attack by holding Basic Attack. EX Attack gives you 2 of that resource, Ultimate 3 and proccing Frostburn, the attribute anomaly, grants you 1 (but in a cooldown so you can't suddenly get a dozen of that resource when dealing with a group of enemies). Since Frostburn is easy to proc on small enemies, EX attacking them gives you 3 resources quickly and since you start off with 3/6 of her resource at combat, you can almost immediately open up with her 6 Resource Charged Attack. How I play her is I usually spam Basic Attack to get EX Attacks and Decibels for Ults, which helps me build up to her big attack, then use Lycaon and Soukaku to enable Miyabi more by enhancing her damage output. I am not 100% sure if I play Miyabi ideally to squeeze the most amount of damage from her, but I'm sure the information I provided at least gives you a good foundation to get more value out of her.
Astra weapon or ellen weapon or qingyi character ? I have ellen that need a little bit more DPS I have garentee Astra but is the weapon worth it ? More than the other choice ? Or save for qingyi after pulling Astra (i have Zhu yuan and Nicole C6 build, Astra that will be build, harumass miyabi build, so really good value)
@@hxnslshhax9011 Signature, if you can afford it. Cushion > Marcato > Starlight for the crit rolls and higher damage on base stat with Cushion. If you want to put Cushion onto somebody who needs it more, though, Marcato is really good. Marcato > Starlight because of base crit leading to less disk rng, but Starlight is still uber competitive compared to other options.
Cushion stats a bit higher but the back damage passive leads to some more gameplay considerations which could be a bonus if you're into that sort of thing. Off of a chain attack you ideally come off of a quick charge QA towards the front of the enemy, EXN3 to teleport to the enemys back then ult if you have it.
I mean...at this point, is less of an advanced guide but a beginner guide. People who had ellen probably knew these already. The main problem of ellen is her passive condition: ice or same faction, which mean her stuck with soukaku and lycone, making her unable to access to much stronger teams like Ellen Caesar Lighter and Ellen Lighter Astro. You have to swap one of them to much weaker unit like soukaku and lycone to just activate ellen's passive. Given that she's already falling behind the new characters, on top of that, the new characters are ALL access to these stronger teams I mentioned about. The gap is even larger, so I cant say her fate is not sealed... Also, for some reason, zhu yuan, who is just one banner after ellen, has no upper sutitution for any of her team member....
Ellen does have that weird problem of not having a special ability activation like a lot of other limiteds, but Soukaku is still a great agent that does everything Ellen wants. When a limited ice support is released, Ellen should benefit from them greatly. I consider beginner guides things like builds, teams, and engines. These are for the more nuanced parts of a character that isn’t immediately clear upon first playing them. Supplementary reading I suppose.
Soukaku is not weak, if anything, she is underestimated by the community. Soukaku is in the top 10 agents for Deadly Assault Boss 1. Rina is also great on Ellen, lets you run Grace for Anomaly, Anby/QingYi for stunner, or Caesar for shield/buff.
@@Vasharan "Not weak" is exactly the problem I am talking about. Lets's say we give everybody a strength score and do a over-simplified estimation. Let the meta characters(miyabi, lighter, caesar) be 1(as we compareing to the meta), then ellen is probably .9, lycon and soukaku are about .8. If you can at least use the meta supports, you got 0.9*1*1=0.9, ellen team is just weaker then the meta team by a factor of .1. However, due to her stupid passive, she has to team with at least one of two .8 character. When you put them together, in the best cast, you got .9*.8 = 0.72, in the worest cast, you got 0.576, that's less than 60% strength of meta team. That's how bad when you combined three "not weak" together. It is so annoying to see people keep saying these "not weak" things. Of course if you put them in a team with other meta characters, it is not bad at all. However, a lot of time, they disscuse in the context of puting multiple off-meta characters together and still saying that's "not bad", which is insane.
@@HandleName_CB Well those numbers look great on paper until you actually use them ingame. Everyone doesnt have the exact same team in every scenario. People use different wengines, have cinemas, maxed out abilities. Some players know boss mechanics, character nuances, have different bangboos. Theres just so much variance. Ellen with a non-meta team vs Ellen with a meta team. Whats the REAL difference in clear time? Some people focus way too much on whats better on paper vs whats better in practice. If a team is 60% "worse" than a meta team but can still clear whatever the meta team does comfortably....are they still weak?
Question: do you have plans to show disk sets synegies?, because in my case i'm using Soukaku with Miyabi right now, but some videos say that the Astral set is good with her but others that the Astral set is better in the Stunner to nuke and keep Swing Jazz in Soukaku. i'm asking because right now i have 3 teams, Jane, Zhu Yuan and Miyabi...My Jane is done, but i want to make my Zhu Yuan and Miyabi better your Zhu Yuan video help me understand her timing more, i'm using the same party as the video, and my Miyabi is with Soukaku and Lycaon
@@4nthonyR I definitely think 4pc Astral is better on the stunner, so you can keep 4pc swing on your supports. 4pc impact doesn’t do anything to support the team
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Definitely gonna keep using my Ellen even tho i did pull Miyabi. Plus i don't wanna rely too much on Miyabi cuz she feels like you're playing with training wheels on ngl
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Another great thing imo you should have mentioned is freezing a stunned enemy. Since freeze stops the enemy's stun bar to tick down, it is a great way to extend the stun duration and do full ellen ult on a frozen target without loosing stun duration.
I just wanna say, I love every part of the way you format your videos. From the soundtrack, the intro, this agent shots you do 2:41 , and the overall way you are conveying the message of your videos. I thought youd be on par with some creators like Apel in the content creator scene so im surprised to find out you are under 500 subs. But for the past several uploads you have, they show up in my recommended as soon as theyre out. I see the potential, goodluck and keep up the quality content
@@xestalfer5774 thanks so much
Had her since launch and didnt know she could enter roaming state from quick assists, ty ty
Unfortunately, this is part of a major negative because you cannot benefit from quick assist buff effects (Starlight Engine and Astral Voice) if you enter roaming state from quick assist because it is not the quick assist attack itself.
@@tastykimchiOFDOOM oh that sucks, I did it all the time :c
2:00 so you're telling me the reason ellen feels bad to play against rapid attacking enemies is...
that she's also secretly a rhythm game char like S11? damn.
sure miyabi is way stronger but ppl act like the every boss is suddenly harder to clear with ellen like wtf 😂😂
Kinda is because Miyabi basically is god mode, and I have to learn again how to play dodging and blocking attacks 😂
@@pabloruiz821And people act like they aren’t going to skyrocket enemy HP in the future too, with 2.0 eventually in a few months or whatever. Any time a new DPS sets a new range, it makes it harder on weaker dps to clear content as players have to sweat way more to clear using them.
Yes, powerful supports give more of a boost to weaker dps than already powerful ones, but that still means that if you’re not going to pull for the latest and greatest DPS, and want to use old ones, then you need to instead pull for the latest and greatest supports instead and kind of end up in the same situation.
So yeah, you can pull for Astra and use her to make your DPS that are at Ellen or below’s level more competitive for a while, but you’ll still HAVE to eventually pull Astra or a similarly powerful support to ensure they can fully clear content by say 2.0’s enemy HP increase levels. And still have to play more precisely to do so. That’s just how all gatcha work. There is no avoiding it. The only variable is how FAST the power creep occurs.
We haven’t seen a huge explosion in HP levels yet like HSR has been doing the last couple patches, but once Miyabi and Astra and Evelyn are all setting a new DPS floor don’t be too shocked if we see a sudden spike.
Someone did 34s shiyu clear with m0 Ellen, anybody did the same with miyabi? No, cus she need to stack charged attack or no dmg
@@KahlevNthe zzz is still a new game, im sure they don't go to hsr root
Ellen is much more satisfying to play than Miyabi in Lost Void imo, which is currently the most long lasting endgame mode in the game. She gets much more gameplay changing and interesting upgrades and actually feels really smooth to play there, even without M2. It's not all about character power or clear time.
The extended basic 3 slice should be basket tbh, it feels amazing and I almost hate playing her without it cus it’s so cozy
And that's the only thing where she's kind of more fun and that's miyabis entire gear is extremely minor, just to kind of prop up ellen.
You can vouch for her all you want but when it comes down to viability she's null.
Ellen and zhu are wasted pulls especially when Astra/Evelyn/qingli/and idols are around her reprint.
@@Kspice9000the game is easy, no one cares about meta, play a competitive game :]
Funny thing is even though miyabi is stronger and more flashy, I still find ellen a lot more fun to play
@@Kspice9000 That's where you’re objectively wrong though. There is powercreep. It is severe. But powercreep is not the same as and doesn't automatically translate to viability. Ellen can still S Rank all content roughly half a year later, at M0 no less. She can even do it with Lycaon + Soukaku. I have her. I get 25k+ on Deadly Assault with that team at M0. 35k+ with limited character team mates.
She's not just viable, she's strong past viability.
Are there stronger alternatives? Absolutely. Does powercreep make her not viable? Absolutely not.
Don't equate powercreep with viability. You can make this argument once Ellen is A or B clearing content in summer at M0 and barely S clears at M2. Right now she's perfectly viable.
Shes fun to play and thats all that matters
3:18 Had no idea you could go straight into Soukaku's blizzard from her Parry. Love just how much there is to learn and master in this game.
You totally didn't have to re-record the agent intro with Anby and Soukaku, and yet you did, and it looks very stylish ❤ that and the very nice explanations earned you a sub
4:21 dude the timing is peak.
Be careful, I saw that you used that last ult immediately after pressing EX, which will consume energy but cancel out of the EX special, so you pay the price but don't get the damage. In this run it didn't matter because the ult finished the fight, but it could result in a big dps loss if accidentally done earlier in the fight.
Thanks for this one, fam! It's about midnight where I am, so I'll save the rest of the video for when I can properly understand it.
I've been a Day 1 player and Ellen main, and you still taught me a few things I either forgot or didn't discover on my own. Thank you for the short but informative videos; they are truly appreciated!
Powercreep is only a thing if you are not invested in certain character or understand their kit
I also thought Grace was powercreep by yanagi until I realized I was using Grace wrong this entire time. Yanagi wants field time where grace want less field time but I was using grace on field all the time and got frustrated at how low her dmg was not realizing she excelled at disorder. so I still enjoy my two disorder teams consisting of on field/less on field/support PiperGraceLucy and YanagiBurniceRina
Ellen is also the same thing. Ice team is still lacking in member like Ether, and to say Ellen is powercreep by Miyabi is kinda lame. Because which dps unit isn’t powercreep by Miyabi? Ellen gameplay is based on dmg output and stun, Miyabi is an alternative Attack agent yes but she still relies more on disorder and anomaly to build her dmg output
okay the sync at 4:21 was hype ngl
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I am using both Ellen and Miyabi in parallel teams, and quite, quite happy. With Lycaon and Soukaku having their ults now, she seems stronger than ever. And I don't even have her signature, using nekomata's.
Ironically, it's Zhu Yuan and Qingyi who happen to be unused most of the time.
btw if u start the chain attack with soukaku you can chain to ellen then skip the next chain attack then quickly switching to someone who can trigger chain quickly (usually i use lycaon's charged basic) u can use ellen's chain attack twice since soukaku's buff lasts very long even after the enemy is no longer stunned
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Ellen's character design is just so peak, I can still clear with her so I'll keep using her
wow bro was ready for it
bro got the cool shoutout for his peak team
You might want to mention that entering roaming state from quick assist does not grant combat buff effects from Starlight Engine and Astral Voice because you need to land the quick assist attack. Extending her assist follow-up is also not a good idea because it is not powered up by flash freeze stacks.
Ellen didn't fall off when Miyabi launched. She fell off when Zhu Yuan was released in the next banner because most enemies that are Ice weak are also Ether weak. Even worse than that, Zhu Yuan's highest MV animations are much faster and safer than Ellen's, who has to commit to lengthy and vulnerable animations. To add insult to injury, one of Ellen's best support pairings in speed clearing, Nicole, also provides additional Ether% buffs to Zhu Yuan.
Great explanation video!
I've been an Ellen main since Day 1, and I still use her because her mechanics and gameplay are so fun.
Extra tip: Use the Manual Chain Attacks On setting. This will let you get more damage out of BA3 when proccing Stun, because you can hold it longer for more damage and only trigger Chain Attack when you let go. Don't pass up her Signature W-Engine on her re-run, either, free +20% CritRate from its passives makes it easy to get 100% CritRate on Ellen.
Pro tip I just learned yesterday with Soukaku. You can weave another enhanced basic attack after Fly the flag before using quick assist. It's a small thing but in boss fights the damage from it adds up and you don't really spend much time on it since we swap cancel using quick assist.
an ice defender would be great since it feels like she struggles against super aggressive bosses.
I just found this channel and oh my god the amount of information that is being presented is insane. Really excited to see what else gets found in this game
you are a lifesaver, i was losing faith bc i didnt pull for her w engine
finally understood how to optimize her
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS GUIDE! I DESPERATELY NEEDED IT!!!!
Omg its best zzz youtuber Ethan, talking about hit charecter Ellen. Very cool! Keep up the work!
I unironically think her c1 is worth the investment more than her wengine.
She feels sooo much smoothier that if you got her on her release, make yourself a favor and pull her again, getting 6 stacks with a single hold and 3 with any quick hold makes it so your dps window is not interrupted by having to get more stacks and if you do need more, a fast hold is enough near the end of a dazed enemy state
Her c2 too to be honest.
Basically allows you to skip tail swipe, directly to Sharknami. If you do it after a attack 3 for the energy cost of a tail swipe.
If you have that, with enough energy you can attack 1-2-3 and then set her on a cycle skarknami/attack 3 over and over.
Maker her optimal damage combo much smoother.
Honestly c1 - c2 are the only two mindscape that improve her gameplay significantly. C4 is nice but you don't need it if you manage your resources properly. And C6 give a massive damage bonus obviously but it doesn't really change her play style.
I thought she was a pain to play at C0.
Enjoyable at C1.
And really fun at C2.
My first build up team was Lycaon, Soukaku and Ellen and thanks to this guide now I see that I just played her the right way the only thing I didn't knew was the prolonged attack holding the button, good guide.
Bruh I didn't know you could extend the scissor spin holding the BA, thx for tips bro
2:26 my man 🤝
Due to her core, she is great in handling enemy that only hit once in a while, this allow her to always able to do the charge attack. Or of course, pair her with Lighter to only bring her for big attack is a great choice too
cant wait to get her m1
Ellen Joe is back on the menu
No one can never replace my ellen I'll pull for her
keep sharing in depth contents, liking ur vid
This shark’s still got a bite don’t you know!
Great vid, have Miyabi but if still love using Ellen, especially with her School Outfit coming out she's still my favorite agent! I've also finally gotten around to farming for better better disk for her and Nicole with the two new set so I'm hoping for some luck there! Keep it up!
What i want to see is alternative skills and "buff" . They already do it in the special hollow so totally possible on the default mode. They could put it behind buying a new skin , that you can visualy activate or not , just like your signature W engine .
I'm sure it would be a great way to protect your character from being powercrept too hard.
One important thing you did not mention is Arctic Ambush, Her attack while in Roaming does not use any of her saved Flash Freeze charges. This means you can loop her roaming attack to build charges instead of doing a full hold attack. How to Loop, Any attack in the game for the most part can be canceled with a dodge. Ellen enters Roaming state by holding the dodge key. By canceling Arctic Ambush after hitting with a dodge you can then enter Roaming and do it again. In this way you can build Flash Freeze charges when it might not be safe to do a full hold attack for 3 charges.
I LOVE HER SO MUCH (you can probably tell why)
I love her so much
I really want Ellen even though I have a M2 Miyabi. I am really tired and over the anomaly playstyle. Nothing beats the classic attacker, stunner, and support teamwork.
omg why am i just finding out you can extend her B3 by holding it.....
missed her sig because I started playing 8 days before her banner expired and rushed her 50/50, but now that rerun is on the table I am 27 pulls away on a guarentee and have 30 in stock. The sig will be mine, and I agree with her flow in combat being so much fun to play. I've never once thought of sidelining her amidst all of the community saying "she's gonna suck after miyabi" and "soukaku bad in modern patches" because They Just Didn't Know The Sauce, also overall really happy I have the ability to use her effectively in modes like DA and Tower.
Good video :)
She's te reason I started playing. I would bench my miyabi any time and not use her again if it means extending the fun I'll have with my favorite characters
‼️You can hold down the attack button after parrying into Soukaku to trigger her quick assist ‼️
I just learned this.
I’m getting her M2. The true Ellen.
This is some cool shit, I might end up picking her up tbh.
Thanks for the vid. If possible, I think you should do Billy next
For me
U didn't mention how long ellen needs to hold dash attack for 3 stack.
and the main source dos Ellen comes from BA3 so its better to hold button when spam BA3 than tap tap
I'm almost at 300, I will get Rina, and pull for more Ellen dupes, I wanna see what a PEN% focused Ellen can do, hope it is good.
im just interest with deep sea visitor and i want my Ellen looks perfect with good stat
The free event W engine is good on her also
Nice video👍 if your planning to pull for her this time and don't care about meta too much, ellen won't disappoint!
you can quick assist from skk def assist??? omfg
Would like to see Soldier 11 next
Bringer 8259 points, I accepted her fate, in a team with animalists, no ATK = no damage
to be fair, every attacker agent struggles on bringer. bringer was made to be murdered by disorder comps. ellen still comfortably gets 20k plus on the dead end butcher this time around.
peak ellen guide 💯
It’s better to use nicole or corin than anby if you have no options. Ellen doesn’t need a stunner.
also corin works at zero investment
and it opens up a pretty solid anby nicole harumasa team 2
Finally I can get her and her w engine I've been waiting since 1.2🦈
I don't really get why they say she got powercrept by miyabi, like yea she somewhat did but end game basically focuses on you as a player having multiple viable team comps, for example in my case i have miyabi and shes stupid powerful so i use her in some team comps that can probably need her hypercarry potential, but in case of my ice team all im really missing is Ellen and it'd be complete and in that sense miyabi doesn't really come into play, so Ellen is insanely useful still if you consider team comps at least, having an ice attacker is already good especially considering we have a long way to go until we get Vlad as another ice attacker
She did get powercrept, just that the contents didn't get hp inflated to compensate for miyabi's power(yet). So day 1 units like ellen are still very much viable.
@@phosphophyllitepansy8516 Yeah i can see that and that's what im aiming towards aswell, also she's a waifu pick so there's that, but waiting a loooong time for something that could rival Ellen (Vlad the ice attacker) is counter productive i guess, at least for the team comp i want to have right now for endgame content
she was always goated.
she is still okay in the 'regular' content but for Deadly Assault? Miyabi can't be replaced and Ellen M0 is struggling so bad hitting the 3 stars
@@anatawakimochiwarui I’ve seen people hit 30k with Ellen in deadly assault, but it obviously takes way more effort than Miyabi.
I think Shiyu is endgame content. I see alot of teams using Ellen on the non-Bringer and Bringer side of deadly assault. Miyabi makes it easier without a doubt but Ellen definitely isnt struggling. Just gotta learn the monster mechanics and abuse dodging
Nice guide would love to see a Burnice video. 👉👈
I just started to play this game one week ago. I don't pull for Miyabi, cause i don't like her. But Ellen looks very interesting. I wonder should i pull for her or not.
i wish to at least M2 her but it's so hard when i like every new character and want to pull them,unlike HSR
maybe the next rerun ig 😔
I really wanted to get Ellen (I lost 50/50), but recently I’ve achieved perfection with DPS Lycaon, so I’m sorry, little one, but I prefer the other ice Victoria Housekeeping character
(I might still get her if I win 50/50s on astra)
I have her m0 with w engine, but I’m so bad playing her, hopefully I can get better bc I want her skin xD
What would recommend more her M1 or wengine?
So I have a question. I have missed out on Ellen because I was just starting out with ZZZ and was trying to figure the game out. Now with her finally rerunning I definitely plan on pulling for her but my QUESTION is….should I pull for her Mindscape 1? I plan on using Brimstone W engine for her so that doesn’t go to waste but does her M1 make her a little smoother to play and is it worth it? Thank you for the video too btw! 🙏
I need some input, Up till today I'm still using 4pc polar and 2pc of new disk, blade.
Still, I feel my ellen dmg output kinda lackluster. Should I change the 4pc to woodpecker or just stick with the current one? 🤔
Funniest thing is, Ellen at M2 is bananas. Her entire combo changes, and she becomes a monster that can just deal constant damage. EX meter management becomes much easier, and so do her stacks. It literally boosts her to Miyabi M0 level.
And then she's immediately shit on again with w1 miyabi.
Even in Ellen's best team, miyabi still kicks the ever loving shark shit out of her.
@Kspice9000 you such a hater doomposter, go play different game lmao
How do you try her out if you skipped her?
Miyabi tipsss pls or about disc drives idk juju
When it comes to building Miyabi, you want to prioritise getting her Crit rate to or as close to 80% as you can because her core passive translates Crit rate to additional anomaly buildup 1:1, capping at 80%
This in turn helps you generate more anomaly procs
It's why everyone should do Woodpecker 2-Set for Crit Rate + Branch and Blade 4-Set. Branch and Blade is pretty much purpose built for Miyabi. Then get yourself discs which have a varying main stat of Crit Rate, Ice Damage and... I think Atk% Or Crit Damage? Crit damage is your secondary priority stat to build up since due to getting her crit rate to such a high number, you tend to proc those crits very consistently.
Getting her W-Engine both helps at achieving that Crit Rate goal and to also substantially boost her damage output.
For comps you can either do Mono Ice (cheapest approach being Soukaku + Lycaon) or a Disorder Comp (Soukaku/Lucy then Anomaly, usually Burnice, Piper or Yanagi)
Mono Ice still can proc Disorders thanks to Miyabi having a unique Anomaly attribute Frostburn so ideally you'd have Miyabi on the field for most of the combat while having Lycaon inflict stun and Soukaku buff Miyabi.
As for playing her, she's pretty simple to work around. Usually you try to build up her resource meter to hit 6 Foxfire since that's when you get to proc the flashy, large AOE attack by holding Basic Attack. EX Attack gives you 2 of that resource, Ultimate 3 and proccing Frostburn, the attribute anomaly, grants you 1 (but in a cooldown so you can't suddenly get a dozen of that resource when dealing with a group of enemies). Since Frostburn is easy to proc on small enemies, EX attacking them gives you 3 resources quickly and since you start off with 3/6 of her resource at combat, you can almost immediately open up with her 6 Resource Charged Attack.
How I play her is I usually spam Basic Attack to get EX Attacks and Decibels for Ults, which helps me build up to her big attack, then use Lycaon and Soukaku to enable Miyabi more by enhancing her damage output.
I am not 100% sure if I play Miyabi ideally to squeeze the most amount of damage from her, but I'm sure the information I provided at least gives you a good foundation to get more value out of her.
how did you quick assist after DA with soukaku? immediately hold the ex button?
Yeah, press basic to do the follow up and hold ex before she does the third slam
nom nom shark
Astra weapon or ellen weapon or qingyi character ?
I have ellen that need a little bit more DPS
I have garentee Astra but is the weapon worth it ? More than the other choice ?
Or save for qingyi after pulling Astra (i have Zhu yuan and Nicole C6 build, Astra that will be build, harumass miyabi build, so really good value)
what do you edit on to make your videos?
Davinci Resolve
What is the best Wengine for her? Steel Cushion, Marcato Desire or Starlight Engine?
@@hxnslshhax9011 marcato and starlight are both great options
@@hxnslshhax9011 Signature, if you can afford it. Cushion > Marcato > Starlight for the crit rolls and higher damage on base stat with Cushion. If you want to put Cushion onto somebody who needs it more, though, Marcato is really good. Marcato > Starlight because of base crit leading to less disk rng, but Starlight is still uber competitive compared to other options.
Cushion stats a bit higher but the back damage passive leads to some more gameplay considerations which could be a bonus if you're into that sort of thing. Off of a chain attack you ideally come off of a quick charge QA towards the front of the enemy, EXN3 to teleport to the enemys back then ult if you have it.
I mean...at this point, is less of an advanced guide but a beginner guide. People who had ellen probably knew these already. The main problem of ellen is her passive condition: ice or same faction, which mean her stuck with soukaku and lycone, making her unable to access to much stronger teams like Ellen Caesar Lighter and Ellen Lighter Astro. You have to swap one of them to much weaker unit like soukaku and lycone to just activate ellen's passive. Given that she's already falling behind the new characters, on top of that, the new characters are ALL access to these stronger teams I mentioned about. The gap is even larger, so I cant say her fate is not sealed...
Also, for some reason, zhu yuan, who is just one banner after ellen, has no upper sutitution for any of her team member....
Ellen does have that weird problem of not having a special ability activation like a lot of other limiteds, but Soukaku is still a great agent that does everything Ellen wants. When a limited ice support is released, Ellen should benefit from them greatly.
I consider beginner guides things like builds, teams, and engines. These are for the more nuanced parts of a character that isn’t immediately clear upon first playing them. Supplementary reading I suppose.
Soukaku is not weak, if anything, she is underestimated by the community. Soukaku is in the top 10 agents for Deadly Assault Boss 1. Rina is also great on Ellen, lets you run Grace for Anomaly, Anby/QingYi for stunner, or Caesar for shield/buff.
@@Vasharan "Not weak" is exactly the problem I am talking about. Lets's say we give everybody a strength score and do a over-simplified estimation. Let the meta characters(miyabi, lighter, caesar) be 1(as we compareing to the meta), then ellen is probably .9, lycon and soukaku are about .8. If you can at least use the meta supports, you got 0.9*1*1=0.9, ellen team is just weaker then the meta team by a factor of .1. However, due to her stupid passive, she has to team with at least one of two .8 character. When you put them together, in the best cast, you got .9*.8 = 0.72, in the worest cast, you got 0.576, that's less than 60% strength of meta team. That's how bad when you combined three "not weak" together.
It is so annoying to see people keep saying these "not weak" things. Of course if you put them in a team with other meta characters, it is not bad at all. However, a lot of time, they disscuse in the context of puting multiple off-meta characters together and still saying that's "not bad", which is insane.
@@HandleName_CB Well those numbers look great on paper until you actually use them ingame. Everyone doesnt have the exact same team in every scenario. People use different wengines, have cinemas, maxed out abilities. Some players know boss mechanics, character nuances, have different bangboos.
Theres just so much variance. Ellen with a non-meta team vs Ellen with a meta team. Whats the REAL difference in clear time? Some people focus way too much on whats better on paper vs whats better in practice.
If a team is 60% "worse" than a meta team but can still clear whatever the meta team does comfortably....are they still weak?
hi ethan
Hulloo
Ellen sure is a great.....
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Question: do you have plans to show disk sets synegies?, because in my case i'm using Soukaku with Miyabi right now, but some videos say that the Astral set is good with her but others that the Astral set is better in the Stunner to nuke and keep Swing Jazz in Soukaku.
i'm asking because right now i have 3 teams, Jane, Zhu Yuan and Miyabi...My Jane is done, but i want to make my Zhu Yuan and Miyabi better your Zhu Yuan video help me understand her timing more, i'm using the same party as the video, and my Miyabi is with Soukaku and Lycaon
@@4nthonyR I definitely think 4pc Astral is better on the stunner, so you can keep 4pc swing on your supports. 4pc impact doesn’t do anything to support the team
@@Crashicoot ok, thanks, i'll start the testing