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That's why you fasten your seatbelts. It takes roughly 3 seconds, can be adjusted to feel comfortable and is constantly mentioned to passengers. Is it really worth it not to follow this simplest instruction?
@@stevencooke6451 If the company of your flight has competent cabin crew, you indeed need to have fastened it. But if you're stubborn, you can undo it once they themselves are seated, of course....
Yes the guy who didn't wear his seat belt , he became a projectile on impact slamming into the overhead compartment, all he has to do was click his seatbelt on and survive like all the other passengers , it's sad but sheer stupidity that he died
@@stephenpersic9474 Although I agree people should wear their seatbelts, maybe we still shouldn't judge dead strangers _too_ harshly. For all we know, he was so fat that it didn't fit (which some meds can cause), or had a healing cut from appendicitis, or some other legit reason to not wear it. Like, even though the chances are slim, maybe we should still keep in the back of our minds that we don't know the _full_ circumstances? After all, I think that, if he had been able to know/look back on what happened, that he would have regretted it. So perhaps most of all a lesson for us to always wear it :) (or you can just call me a softie and keep judging, haha)
@@MrNicoJac THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU SAY, IF HE CAN'T WEAR IT THE PLANE CANNOCT TAXIE LET ALONE TAKEOFF IF HE DOES NOT WEAR IT, AND THEY DO CHECK ON THERE FINAL COUNT THAT ALL ARE WEARING THEM! SO YES IT;S SAD, BUT IT;S HIS FALT.
I'm curious about the recommendation to Honeywell to change the audible warnings. What are they supposed to change if the pilots completely ignored repeated warnings of "glide slope" and "sink rate", with alarms blaring? What does it have to say to make them understand? "Impact with water in 3, 2…"?
My understanding is that glide slope, sink rate or ground proximity warnings are loud and very clear. This sounds like a case of terrible cockpit resource management.
when i saw this the first time a while back, it was funny for me how one of them was literally recording the attempted landing in the cockpit, and then the ocean just pops up into sight and the plane just crashes. their distraction led to ignorance and then the rest is history. 🤦♂️
It seems the modern planes have so much automation built in, and so many layers of redundancy, that a bad pilot can continue flying for years without any unpleasant incidents ocurring. Ofcourse sometimes the luck just runs out when true airmanship becomes necessary instead of optional.
it's stunning to learn that piloting an airliner demands such extreme levels of vigilance, training, experience, discipline and quick reactions and then the level of incompetence shown by some pilots dealing with the exact situations they are trained for and supposed to handle to save the passengers.
loving the extra details in this one, like with the title card and the close ups of the instruments! same for the footage (which i imagine there'll be more of in more recent and future accidents?), was a fun watch, as always :)
I spent about 10 months living in Chuuk in 2011-2012. When we landed when I got there I swear we were just barely over the water and landed right at the end of the runway. And taking off was even scarier as I felt asleep in the ground and then there was just water underneath us almost right away. I observed many landings and takeoffs while I was there as the main road ran right past the airport and I was always scared that someday this type of thing would happen.
When you said "a name I highly approve of" after reading one of your patreons, made me appreciate your content and hard work on this channel so much more than I already did. Thank you
Ahh my old (childhood) stomping grounds (Goroka) back in the mid '70's~early '80's. Lots of fun flights on Air Niugini and Talair. Great video again, thanks. And Happy New Year to you too, all the best.
This is strikingly similar to the Lion Air incident. Pilot error and maintenance related aviation accidents do my head in as they are completely avoidable.
I agree 100% on the maintenance; what happened on 261 makes my blood boil 😠. But I think as long as pilots are human, pilot error will always be an issue unfortunately
I never heard of this one. Thanks for doing this video. Now I'll go watch all the videos related to this incident. Non related to the content but it seems the Patreon list is getting too long to be read out loud, no? 😅 It's good seeing you're getting so much support and that it's increasing.
@@andrewstevens1442 that changes nothing. If you're lucky enough to survive, get the heck off the airplane. That 5 seconds it takes you to grab your laptop out of the overhead could mean the difference between someone living or dying.
What can be more valuable than your own life? If you are wealthy enough to fly on a plane, I am sure you have enough to buy new clothes. I mean what else does anyone carry in their bags,(they cant even access their cargo luggage, so we are just talking about the hand luggage), what can be there thats so valuable that you put your own life in risk (i didn't mention other people's lives, because i assume such people don't have any regard for that)
Oakland Center, located in Fremont (25 miles from Oakland, lol), also covers 18.u million square miles of the Pacific Ocean. That is the largest Area Control Center in the world by controlled surface area.
It’s interesting that ditching is one of the hardest things to do as a pilot but these pilots put the plane in the water by accident and the plane managed to be in good condition all things considered.
I have seen a ton of crash videos, and hardly anyone ever survived a crash into water. I guess the benefiting factor here must have been the fact that the airplane was in an almost configured for landing mode. The angle of attack almost parallel to the surface, reduced speed, and extended flaps etc.
Hi. Thanks for the great content as usual! Can you perhaps do Saudia flight 163 please? I think it’s a very important (especially for CRM) and sad one where a fire-stricken plane landed successfully but unfortunately no one made it out
@@alunchisholm481 a lot of these island airports are uncontrolled too, they don't have a tower and it's up to the pilots to communicate with other aircraft, with other aircraft doing the same. It works for lightly trafficked airports and small general aviation fields.
why did the plane go off it's profile in the first place? downdrafts? misconfiguration? just Pilot Error at control inputs level? is this a case of CFIT or is there more to it?
As a passenger, you should always listen to the cabin crew... even though you've heard it on numerous occasions. You are also politely ordered to do things for a reason, even though you might not like it, they are to give you the best chance of survival if an incident or accident happens, even though this is highly unlikely to happen. You should also look around and see where the emergency exits are and select which one is the closest to where you are seated. I've flown a lot and I STILL listen to the cabin crew during briefings, I still look for the nearest emergency exit to me, I read the card and make sure I know where my life jacket is and those of my family, think about what I will do, look at the passengers around me and see who I might have to help out. I'm not paranoid about flying at all, I absolutely love it, but I want to make sure I have a plan in my head should I need one.
Another well done video. I wish I were in a position to patronize your work. I'm just not. Sorry. But I do enjoy your content and appreciate the effort it requires to produce it so well. All the best to you.
This is really odd. You are using the reg # of P2-PXC in the video, it's also on the plane that crashed and when I traveled to Australia last year with a stop in Nadi, Fiji, there was an Air Niugini plane on the ramp with P2-PXC on its tail.
The poor discussion of missed approach is not to be seen as wrong if you have the situational awareness to notice this is a remote low population island, I don't think there's more than 1 plane per day, maybe 1 every few weeks ! So missed approach doesn't need to be restricted, just fly higher wherever you like
I was in Pohnpei when it was called Ponape, good times, was there for a week at the expense of the government.. Even met Ponape Rose, Admiral Yamamoto's Mistress, the history lesson she gave of the Admiral is not in any history books. Ponape Rose was the Tokyo Rose of the South Pacific.. Which is not in any History books.
I guess they must not have been published for their own safety. Imagine being that Indonesian guy's family, who died. Wouldn't they want to go and take revenge against the two motherfjers who were busy with their phones instead of flying.
can you make video about the accident of the IL76 algeria air force from 2018 its still unknowen and i'd like to hear the reason from your chanel keep it up hope you reach 1M
It's such a simple thing, and I'm sure there were people out there rolling their eyes about virtue signaling, but I just wanted to put out there onto the internet that mentioning you support trans rights actually means something. I personally have a sort of constant subconscious awareness that there's a chance a creator might be disturbed by my mere existence in their audience. I never really notice it until I feel the relief of hearing otherwise. Being part of a "controversial" group means spending a decent amount of time trying to gauge how the people around you feel about you as a political issue, so it's such a relief to just hear unambiguous answers sometimes. Anyways, thanks! I hope you have a great 2022!
'Loss of situation awareness' sounds very much as blaming somebody for doing mistakes. WHY did they not follow std procedures, why did they continue the APP, why did they discuss so many different landing configurations? This is where we can learn from this accident and not from 'they did a bad job'.
What was a .U.S. naval vessel doing? It strikes me that a foreign warship discovere in such cle proximity to their own territories would not be tolerated.
I fly at least twice a month and anytime I am on an airplane I always have my seatbelt on, and if my family flies with me then have theirs on the whole time too. Idc if the sign says you can take them off. Also, I only fly airlines out of the USA, I don’t trust these other countries.. stuff like this happens all the time in these other countries. Not enough money spent on training
Please try to check , how many planes are in the sky , Wright now ! … more than five thousands …… around the globe 🌎✈ … , it's always the most secure way to travel … ( I speak English , badly , sorry …) anyway : no one is infaible & bad things happen …
9:58 Verbal is the correct terminology. Its a verbal alert not an oral alert you seem to constantly make this mistake on ylur videos just thought id help out no hard feelings
lol my uncle used to fly out of port moresby. he used to tell us kids about the local fuzzy wuzzy ground crew whom were practically just window dressing.
@@232K7 oh, yes, i forgot that in current year, that no matter how many lives it might cost, we can never ever ever be honest about primitive ground crew training and 3rd world standards. my bad. i hope more people die so you don't get offended by colloquial terms that have no malice attached, just an understanding of the skill level to be expected and planned for. I hope your vaguely pointed question has been answered.
@@232K7 but tip the tragically poor locals anyway, its hardly their fault that they live in one of the poorest most dangerous and corrupt places on earth. Just don't bet your life on their mechanical excellence
Sounds like a good ol' case of drunk pilots to me. My uncle used to fly for a major airline in the 70's and 80's and said it was common to drink before and while flying. These guys just seem like they were drunk to me.
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Thank you, I have watched every aviation channel...lots of them anyway, for years. I enjoy watching yours. (I'm not a pilot}
That's why you fasten your seatbelts. It takes roughly 3 seconds, can be adjusted to feel comfortable and is constantly mentioned to passengers. Is it really worth it not to follow this simplest instruction?
Again, from my limited flying experience it's usually impossible to get away with not fastening seatbelts during descent.
@@stevencooke6451
If the company of your flight has competent cabin crew, you indeed need to have fastened it.
But if you're stubborn, you can undo it once they themselves are seated, of course....
Yes the guy who didn't wear his seat belt , he became a projectile on impact slamming into the overhead compartment, all he has to do was click his seatbelt on and survive like all the other passengers , it's sad but sheer stupidity that he died
@@stephenpersic9474
Although I agree people should wear their seatbelts, maybe we still shouldn't judge dead strangers _too_ harshly.
For all we know, he was so fat that it didn't fit (which some meds can cause), or had a healing cut from appendicitis, or some other legit reason to not wear it.
Like, even though the chances are slim, maybe we should still keep in the back of our minds that we don't know the _full_ circumstances?
After all, I think that, if he had been able to know/look back on what happened, that he would have regretted it.
So perhaps most of all a lesson for us to always wear it :)
(or you can just call me a softie and keep judging, haha)
@@MrNicoJac THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU SAY, IF HE CAN'T WEAR IT THE PLANE CANNOCT TAXIE LET ALONE TAKEOFF IF HE DOES NOT WEAR IT, AND THEY DO CHECK ON THERE FINAL COUNT THAT ALL ARE WEARING THEM! SO YES IT;S SAD, BUT IT;S HIS FALT.
I'm curious about the recommendation to Honeywell to change the audible warnings. What are they supposed to change if the pilots completely ignored repeated warnings of "glide slope" and "sink rate", with alarms blaring? What does it have to say to make them understand? "Impact with water in 3, 2…"?
XD
“Hey! Listen!”
"Idiot, pay attention, pull up" "You will die, pull up"
My understanding is that glide slope, sink rate or ground proximity warnings are loud and very clear. This sounds like a case of terrible cockpit resource management.
20000 flight hours no less... truly incredible this happened at all.
when i saw this the first time a while back, it was funny for me how one of them was literally recording the attempted landing in the cockpit, and then the ocean just pops up into sight and the plane just crashes. their distraction led to ignorance and then the rest is history. 🤦♂️
It seems the modern planes have so much automation built in, and so many layers of redundancy, that a bad pilot can continue flying for years without any unpleasant incidents ocurring. Ofcourse sometimes the luck just runs out when true airmanship becomes necessary instead of optional.
@@indianfan1029 just peak sloppiness when it actually becomes necessary the one time you need it 😅
it's stunning to learn that piloting an airliner demands such extreme levels of vigilance, training, experience, discipline and quick reactions and then the level of incompetence shown by some pilots dealing with the exact situations they are trained for and supposed to handle to save the passengers.
loving the extra details in this one, like with the title card and the close ups of the instruments! same for the footage (which i imagine there'll be more of in more recent and future accidents?), was a fun watch, as always :)
I spent about 10 months living in Chuuk in 2011-2012. When we landed when I got there I swear we were just barely over the water and landed right at the end of the runway. And taking off was even scarier as I felt asleep in the ground and then there was just water underneath us almost right away. I observed many landings and takeoffs while I was there as the main road ran right past the airport and I was always scared that someday this type of thing would happen.
When you said "a name I highly approve of" after reading one of your patreons, made me appreciate your content and hard work on this channel so much more than I already did. Thank you
I haven’t heard of this accident! Considering the amount of footage I’m surprised I haven’t heard of it! Anyways great job on this video!
Thanks!
@@DisasterBreakdown no problem! I started watching your channel around this time last year, congrats on gaining so many subs!!
This is the first I'm hearing of it also. Surprises me.
I can absolutely see why the aft exits are blocked during a ditching on the 737. The entire back half is underwater because of its heavy tail!
Ahh my old (childhood) stomping grounds (Goroka) back in the mid '70's~early '80's. Lots of fun flights on Air Niugini and Talair.
Great video again, thanks. And Happy New Year to you too, all the best.
Very calm, factual, concise, and precise narration.
I’d have loved to see the complex operation of getting that aircraft out of the water!
This is strikingly similar to the Lion Air incident. Pilot error and maintenance related aviation accidents do my head in as they are completely avoidable.
I agree 100% on the maintenance; what happened on 261 makes my blood boil 😠. But I think as long as pilots are human, pilot error will always be an issue unfortunately
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I think the main problem was the poor communication between the two pilots.
This was a weird one. I first saw it courtesy of Avinations. Didn't realise this was practically the first ever viral air crash!
I never heard of this one. Thanks for doing this video. Now I'll go watch all the videos related to this incident.
Non related to the content but it seems the Patreon list is getting too long to be read out loud, no? 😅 It's good seeing you're getting so much support and that it's increasing.
Yeah we're gonna have to look at that soon
"A rubber ducky in the bath"
"A 737 in the ocean"
If you think I will wait behind you while you collect your cabin baggage after a crash landing, I have a surprise for you
you should know that some locals were later seen stealing luggage from the plane after it sank...
@@andrewstevens1442 that changes nothing. If you're lucky enough to survive, get the heck off the airplane. That 5 seconds it takes you to grab your laptop out of the overhead could mean the difference between someone living or dying.
What can be more valuable than your own life? If you are wealthy enough to fly on a plane, I am sure you have enough to buy new clothes. I mean what else does anyone carry in their bags,(they cant even access their cargo luggage, so we are just talking about the hand luggage), what can be there thats so valuable that you put your own life in risk (i didn't mention other people's lives, because i assume such people don't have any regard for that)
mum left me in Best Buy lmao
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where are my cheetos
Never heard of this incident, thanks for the great vid as always.
Happy new year!
I'm very confused how SFO ATC was somehow involved in this?!
As far as I understand the United States are responsible by treaties with pacific island countries for the ATC over vast areas of the Pacific Ocean.
@@felixstieger9039 They must have excellent binoculars.
A good chunk of the Pacific is controlled by the Oakland Air Route Traffic Control Centre.
Oakland Center, located in Fremont (25 miles from Oakland, lol), also covers 18.u million square miles of the Pacific Ocean. That is the largest Area Control Center in the world by controlled surface area.
This incident mostly seems to come down to poor pilot and general cabin crew training.
I love your channel so much despite me knowing absolutely nothing about aviation
Thanks for the upload. Have a great new year!!
The crash is similar to Lion Air Flight 904 in 2013 at Bali
I absolutely love your channel!!
It’s interesting that ditching is one of the hardest things to do as a pilot but these pilots put the plane in the water by accident and the plane managed to be in good condition all things considered.
I have seen a ton of crash videos, and hardly anyone ever survived a crash into water. I guess the benefiting factor here must have been the fact that the airplane was in an almost configured for landing mode. The angle of attack almost parallel to the surface, reduced speed, and extended flaps etc.
would love for you to cover jfk jr’s crash! amazing video as always
Excellent video as always DB! Loved the trans rights shoutout as it fit the situation.
So, just saw the video you posted on NYE... so incredibly proud of you!! Trans Rights Babey!!!
Amazing video, happy new year!
Hi. Thanks for the great content as usual! Can you perhaps do Saudia flight 163 please? I think it’s a very important (especially for CRM) and sad one where a fire-stricken plane landed successfully but unfortunately no one made it out
Another great report …. Happy new year !
Happy new year. Great video to start off 2022.
Very informative, thanks for the effort, enjoyable in data and lessons learnt.
If they’ve done an ILS approach would the situation be different?
Unlikely. There are few navigational aids, and no "glide slope" broadcast from the runway.
@@alunchisholm481 a lot of these island airports are uncontrolled too, they don't have a tower and it's up to the pilots to communicate with other aircraft, with other aircraft doing the same. It works for lightly trafficked airports and small general aviation fields.
why did the plane go off it's profile in the first place? downdrafts? misconfiguration? just Pilot Error at control inputs level?
is this a case of CFIT or is there more to it?
Do you think you'll ever do a video on TAP Flight 425? Not much information on that one here on UA-cam.
As a passenger, you should always listen to the cabin crew... even though you've heard it on numerous occasions. You are also politely ordered to do things for a reason, even though you might not like it, they are to give you the best chance of survival if an incident or accident happens, even though this is highly unlikely to happen.
You should also look around and see where the emergency exits are and select which one is the closest to where you are seated.
I've flown a lot and I STILL listen to the cabin crew during briefings, I still look for the nearest emergency exit to me, I read the card and make sure I know where my life jacket is and those of my family, think about what I will do, look at the passengers around me and see who I might have to help out.
I'm not paranoid about flying at all, I absolutely love it, but I want to make sure I have a plan in my head should I need one.
This is honestly terrifying, absolute sheer neglect by the pilots in this instance
As great video as always 😍
Wait. Why were they talking to San Francisco control?
Another well done video. I wish I were in a position to patronize your work. I'm just not. Sorry. But I do enjoy your content and appreciate the effort it requires to produce it so well. All the best to you.
This is really odd. You are using the reg # of P2-PXC in the video, it's also on the plane that crashed and when I traveled to Australia last year with a stop in Nadi, Fiji, there was an Air Niugini plane on the ramp with P2-PXC on its tail.
nice video! :)
Thanks!
Please do the Electra whirlmode crashes. Northwest 710 and Braniff over Buffalo, Texas.
I've never heard of that one and I used to spend alot of time with my grandparents in buffalo. How long ago was it
Are those 2 of the crashes where the wings kept falling off and they couldn't figure out why
Okay 2022 is gonna be our year. I got an upload from like EVERY of my favorite smaller channels!!
And here we have an early contender for dopey comment of the year award.
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Tool
The tower at 5:15 looks like LAX. Am I wrong?
Another holiday, another video~ you don't disappoint! ^^
Happy New Year!
really enjoying your content, keep up the good work! but seriously tho where are their cheetos 😂
Airplane: boop...boop..PULL UP..PULL UP...
Captain: "Hold my beer..."!!
The poor discussion of missed approach is not to be seen as wrong if you have the situational awareness to notice this is a remote low population island, I don't think there's more than 1 plane per day, maybe 1 every few weeks ! So missed approach doesn't need to be restricted, just fly higher wherever you like
Plane taking a bath: 2018 colorized
I was in Pohnpei when it was called Ponape, good times, was there for a week at the expense of the government..
Even met Ponape Rose, Admiral Yamamoto's Mistress, the history lesson she gave of the Admiral is not in any history books.
Ponape Rose was the Tokyo Rose of the South Pacific..
Which is not in any History books.
What are the names of the captain and his first officer?
I guess they must not have been published for their own safety. Imagine being that Indonesian guy's family, who died. Wouldn't they want to go and take revenge against the two motherfjers who were busy with their phones instead of flying.
can you make video about the accident of the IL76 algeria air force from 2018 its still unknowen
and i'd like to hear the reason from your chanel keep it up hope you reach 1M
I wonder how in the world that they eventually have to remove the plane. It would be daunting.
can you cover the story on Air India Flight 855 s crash
Another video great
Thanks again!
It's such a simple thing, and I'm sure there were people out there rolling their eyes about virtue signaling, but I just wanted to put out there onto the internet that mentioning you support trans rights actually means something. I personally have a sort of constant subconscious awareness that there's a chance a creator might be disturbed by my mere existence in their audience. I never really notice it until I feel the relief of hearing otherwise. Being part of a "controversial" group means spending a decent amount of time trying to gauge how the people around you feel about you as a political issue, so it's such a relief to just hear unambiguous answers sometimes. Anyways, thanks! I hope you have a great 2022!
How Is it still in contact with SF
Another Quality DB video.❤
How come you have never done a 9/11 video?
Because it's been done to death by many others and isn't exactly a low profile incident like many of the incidents he covers are
'Loss of situation awareness' sounds very much as blaming somebody for doing mistakes. WHY did they not follow std procedures, why did they continue the APP, why did they discuss so many different landing configurations? This is where we can learn from this accident and not from 'they did a bad job'.
If you cant see the landing site, don’t bother
#15. I am moving up the list. Most must be still asleep from new years eve.
What was a .U.S. naval vessel doing? It strikes me that a foreign warship discovere in such cle proximity to their own territories would not be tolerated.
Richard, Papua New Guinea is one of the most primitive countries on earth. They need all the help they can get - from ANY nation. 😏
The US has an extremely close relationship with Micronesia, including providing defense, search and rescue, etc.
What are they gonna do, throw sticks at it
Just glad everyone survived except the one guy who didn't have his seat belt on
Darwinism at its finest 👌
I say let them try to go in and get there stuff. If they have a death wish let em.
Sounds like that passenger earned himself a Darwin Award...
I fly at least twice a month and anytime I am on an airplane I always have my seatbelt on, and if my family flies with me then have theirs on the whole time too. Idc if the sign says you can take them off. Also, I only fly airlines out of the USA, I don’t trust these other countries.. stuff like this happens all the time in these other countries. Not enough money spent on training
Imagine flying a nation's airline that says "the fk with you" to its own correct spelling.
Had that passenger had on his seat belt there would have been no fatalities
20000 hours, and piss poor skills!!!
The captain was formerly in the Papua New Guinean military as a pilot.He had too much experience.
thanks
Please try to check , how many planes are in the sky , Wright now ! … more than five thousands …… around the globe 🌎✈ … , it's always the most secure way to travel …
( I speak English , badly , sorry …)
anyway : no one is infaible & bad things happen …
Sneeds Feed and Seed
Formerly Chuucks
Another completely preventable accident
amd same incident that happen with boeing 737 is happen like this in indonnesia,lion air 904
Engine out checklist... 1/youtube camera
This was so avoidable smh
Clearly another pilot error
Mission failed we get them next time
im likin xplane being used here
serious brain fog moment
Sorry, but RNAV is not around for 50 years..... rather 15 years!
Where are that guy's cheetos?
9:58 Verbal is the correct terminology. Its a verbal alert not an oral alert you seem to constantly make this mistake on ylur videos just thought id help out no hard feelings
lol my uncle used to fly out of port moresby. he used to tell us kids about the local fuzzy wuzzy ground crew whom were practically just window dressing.
Genuinely curious, what do you mean by this?
@@232K7 oh, yes, i forgot that in current year, that no matter how many lives it might cost, we can never ever ever be honest about primitive ground crew training and 3rd world standards. my bad. i hope more people die so you don't get offended by colloquial terms that have no malice attached, just an understanding of the skill level to be expected and planned for.
I hope your vaguely pointed question has been answered.
@@232K7 but tip the tragically poor locals anyway, its hardly their fault that they live in one of the poorest most dangerous and corrupt places on earth. Just don't bet your life on their mechanical excellence
@@rationalbacon5872 they'd quite merrily fix an aircraft with a hammer and a pair of pliers if not stopped from doing so..
@@232K7 m
GA with jets!
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11:15, you've said this twise now, but who's "they"? This is one single Indonesian man, correct?
Sounds like a good ol' case of drunk pilots to me. My uncle used to fly for a major airline in the 70's and 80's and said it was common to drink before and while flying. These guys just seem like they were drunk to me.
These pilots hated each other. PNG and Aussie. No surprise there
runway the most infortant to airline
My girl
I'm not surprised if the deceased passenger was Indonesian. My people are careless and underestimating safety.
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