@@iTunsiscool26 17:30 Charizard mills the opponent instead of the player. Mispronounces "Mimicry" at 17:42. Gets it right at 18:00 though. Some of his videos are worse than others though.
NGL, Entei Gold Star sounds pretty insane. Self milling ten cards in a more modern format would be insane, especially with how many decks use things like Battle Compressor in Expanded
You're discarding 10 cards off of YOUR deck, not your opponent's. In that format, if you did 70 damage & mill 10 cards off of your opponent's deck (especially when you're already at an advantage), that card would be busted.
@@RednekGamurz Yeah, I'm comparing it to Battle compressor man. Self Mill on that large of a scale could be super impactful for discard energy acceleration or setting up things like VS Seeker or V-Unions. Not even mentioning if we get more cards like Lost Thunder Giratina and Ho-Oh EX that entirely rely on the discard pile. A card like this would do so much work if it was in a more favorable format
@@munchrai6396 Isn't the main strength of battle compressor the fact that you choose the cards you mill? Even if you're running a discard strategy, there's probably still some cards that you really don't want to accidentally mill.
At least the Gold stars are some of the most collectible cards that have ever been printed, especially nowadays. So they have one good thing going on about them, together with the Rayquaza / latia block
The card art looks really amazing. they're at least worth looking at and that's part of the fun of the card games for those who don't wish to play but just like the chance at seeing some really cool artwork.
I'm completely baffled. They seriously thought these things would be SO OP that they had to be limited to one per deck? They could have been unlimited and most wouldn't have been OP. Seriously, they're so weak or situational I can't imagine how people thought they would need such a limit.
This makes me think there's potentially material for a top 10 list of cards printed in the wrong format, where their traits would've dominated past or future formats but were useless in their own. Obviously not counting big number power creep.
One of the cool things about an ever evolving meta is that sometimes that does happen. Even the regular Pokemon has seen unusual shifts in old generation formats because new players were willing to experiment with overlooked pokemon and found genuine success with them, and it's not just a matter of the new generations mechanics, but rather people taking a second harder look at the old generation and realizing that there was a move/stat combination that happened to perfectly counter the meta on a pokemon that was otherwise easily countered by most other threats. Sometimes it just takes a bit of creativity, or a reminder that these cards even exist. Though powercreep often puts a hard lid on some of these cards if the only thing they offer is power. It was smart of Yugioh to establish that 3000 attack was the highest attack you could get from a normal monster and make monsters either weaker than that but have a positive effect, or stronger but require resources more challenging than mill + monster reborn or stronger but have a negative effect, so in theory, a blue eyes white dragon could always beat most monsters in battle, assuming some other effect didn't destroy it before it got the chance. (Yugioh seems to have the opposite problem Pokemon TCG has, as battle damage isn't really something people worry about when it used to be so fundamental to the game and the reason why powerful monster removal spells and traps were common)
It's always weird to me thinking that a pokemon with an ability to do 10 damage is considered amazing. When I got back into the TCG when Sword and Shield started I saw everyone running Galarian Zigzagoon because it did 10 damage to a pokemon when you put it on the bench and I thought "HP values are so high, how is that going to be useful?" lol
Something worth noting is that the introductory set for gold stars, EX Team Rocket Returns, also introduced one of the most powerful disruptive supporters ever printed in Rocket's Admin, which shuffles both players' hands into their decks and they draw a card for each remaining prizes. I didn't play during this era, but I started in gen 5 and when Rocket's Admin was reprinted as "N" there was absolutely no denying its ability to brutally stall, if not outright shutdown your opponent (and that format was much faster and hard hitting in comparison). The reason this is relevant is that it could've made the comeback components of many of the lesser gold stars much more potent if your opponent got hit with a Rocket's Admin at 1 or 2 prizes and you could continuously bludgeon them with cards like Groudon (or Regirock/Ice if you planned far enough ahead or got enough scoop up heads) while they fumbled to regain their footing.
The fact that Gold Star Torchic. A Fire type Pokémon inflicted Confusion with Spring Back instead of Burn is weird. But I'm also glad that they did it because having it inflict burn seems to obvious. Like that's why I'm hoping we get Dragoon with Eyes of Blue instead of Blue-Eyes White Dragoon.
I'm not understanding why people were running Jolteon over the Flareon when the burn deals 2 damage vs Jolteon doing just 1. You could even switch your active out right away to remove the burn from your side.
Burn worked differently in generation 3 thats why. At the time burn did 20 damage but it was on a coin flip each turn; if you flipped heads you took 0 damage and if you flipped tails you took 20 (burn also persisted inbetween turns until you switched your active). So if you consider averages flareon does the same damage as jolteon, but at the cost of a coin flip it was better to use the more consistent card that always did 10 damage.
And they are very expensive today. Lucky for the people that kept their cards in good condition or just collect them because they was gold. Rayquaza star prices are insane.
The level of power creep between 2007 and 2008 was simply absurd, having played that format with one of my regular play partners being a 2006 world champion finalist. Any of the pokemon* Seeing ANY play in the DPP metagame speaks volumes of how good they were, and indeed, they were THAT good.
I am surprised that Latios and Latias star made the list. I figured having an attack that cause three different energy cards would be a huge detriment.
I never played pokemon cards, but i thought shiny cards were similar to the non-shiny cards and you could just find random shiny prints of every pokemon in a set.
You can now! A lot of cards have much fancier alternate arts, some actually featuring the same art but with the mons shiny palette instead. They function identically otherwise
I know this would never happen in an actual game but What if the player's active Pokémon would be Mew gold star, it would have 1 energy other than water attached and the only opponent's pokémon would be Mew gold star? The player attacks with mimicry, the only Pokémon it can choose to copy an attack of is opponent's Mew. The player cannot copy Rainbow Wave because they don't have energy cost for it so they copy... Mimicry. Mew performs the copied Mimicry, thus it has to copy... Mimicry. Is this an endless loop? The only way out that I can see is the player choosing Rainbow Wave and failing but I am not sure if that's possible.
That's like arguing Crystal Pokemon didn't fail because they brought it back decades later with Stellar Tera. Hell, look at Fossils. They kept bringing the mechanic back. It keeps failing except when it goes against its very concept. A mechanic returning has nothing to do with it failing. Developers can perfectly bring a mechanic back for multitude of reasons in a TCG.
They are not particularly bad (not amazing, but not terrible either) in the games, excluding Regigigas who is the target of some unfunny running joke at GaneFreak. Seriously they gave it Slow Start in a game with literally no abilities. They want it to be bad in purpouse.
@ Okay, so it’s that they are okay, but there’s just a lot of things already competing for that spot? I don’t play the games much, but I’ve seen them get smack talked on them a lot, so I’m not an expert. Thanks for the info.
Depending on the damage, you could probably sell an Umbreon Star for about $1000. Maybe more, depending on who you sold it to. Mint copies go closer to $4000-5000
So umm... it wasn't a failed mechanic then? You start off by saying the entire second wave saw tons of competitive success, and the major issue is the ones that came after is that they needed to be as good as the second wave or better... but that still means the mechanic succeeded to see play in a lot of meta decks. Most radiant pokemon have never really been experimented with, with only two or three ever really seeing competitive play, but you called those fine sooooo... what?
One thing I found out about the Pokemon TCG, rarity dictates the price for a lot of these cards and not playability. Base set Charizard is unplayable in its own format, yet it's the most expensive. Gen 3 Pokemon TCG is when I played the most before dropping it entirely. Pokemon star werent something you were actually wanting to add to your deck.
Factually incorrect. Many cards are desirable, such as alt arts versus trainer gallery, but, the more scarce a card is, the more expensive itll be. Its a mix of desirablity and scarcity. For older cards, think rarity more than scarcity too, not just pull rates, but how many NM copies exist.@@Hachiko96
alakazam star is a terror in the weird format ive been playing with my mom for the past 10 years
Tord did well recently with a list that played Alakazam star!
I'm jealous that you have a parent with an interest in your hobby, that's rad as hell
i love this comment so much thank you
Just wanna say that I LOVE how many TCG channels that Logs has and maintains weekly, absolute legend!
Quantity over quality is not a good thing
His videos are notoriously filled with errors precisely because of that
@@akiradkcnDid I make a mistake in this video? I didn't notice one
He has script writers, even for the Yu-Gi-Oh channel, the card game he has experience in
@@iTunsiscool26 don’t let the sour people fool you, you guys do a great job. Cheers! 🍻
@@iTunsiscool26 17:30 Charizard mills the opponent instead of the player. Mispronounces "Mimicry" at 17:42. Gets it right at 18:00 though. Some of his videos are worse than others though.
Ok, but why is Mudkip the only one here that isn't shiny? Like it has a slight purple hue, but shiny mudkip are normally a bright pink...
Purple at deep levels of water looks blue due to electromagnetic spectrum. Very small niche detail by the artist.
@@jasperlee7011if that is the case then the orange frills shouldn’t be bright orange
NGL, Entei Gold Star sounds pretty insane. Self milling ten cards in a more modern format would be insane, especially with how many decks use things like Battle Compressor in Expanded
You're discarding 10 cards off of YOUR deck, not your opponent's. In that format, if you did 70 damage & mill 10 cards off of your opponent's deck (especially when you're already at an advantage), that card would be busted.
but you're discarding cards from your deck?
@@RednekGamurz Yeah, I'm comparing it to Battle compressor man. Self Mill on that large of a scale could be super impactful for discard energy acceleration or setting up things like VS Seeker or V-Unions. Not even mentioning if we get more cards like Lost Thunder Giratina and Ho-Oh EX that entirely rely on the discard pile. A card like this would do so much work if it was in a more favorable format
@@munchrai6396 Ah I see what you mean now. My mistake.
@@munchrai6396 Isn't the main strength of battle compressor the fact that you choose the cards you mill? Even if you're running a discard strategy, there's probably still some cards that you really don't want to accidentally mill.
At least the Gold stars are some of the most collectible cards that have ever been printed, especially nowadays. So they have one good thing going on about them, together with the Rayquaza / latia block
The card art looks really amazing. they're at least worth looking at and that's part of the fun of the card games for those who don't wish to play but just like the chance at seeing some really cool artwork.
I'm completely baffled. They seriously thought these things would be SO OP that they had to be limited to one per deck? They could have been unlimited and most wouldn't have been OP. Seriously, they're so weak or situational I can't imagine how people thought they would need such a limit.
The real reason is likely due to lore reasons. Shiny Pokémon in the games are very rare and they likely wanted to emulate that in the tcg
i think its because shiny pokemon are supposed to be rare
yeh but not every star card was shiny so idk@@leaffinite2001
This makes me think there's potentially material for a top 10 list of cards printed in the wrong format, where their traits would've dominated past or future formats but were useless in their own. Obviously not counting big number power creep.
One of the cool things about an ever evolving meta is that sometimes that does happen. Even the regular Pokemon has seen unusual shifts in old generation formats because new players were willing to experiment with overlooked pokemon and found genuine success with them, and it's not just a matter of the new generations mechanics, but rather people taking a second harder look at the old generation and realizing that there was a move/stat combination that happened to perfectly counter the meta on a pokemon that was otherwise easily countered by most other threats. Sometimes it just takes a bit of creativity, or a reminder that these cards even exist. Though powercreep often puts a hard lid on some of these cards if the only thing they offer is power. It was smart of Yugioh to establish that 3000 attack was the highest attack you could get from a normal monster and make monsters either weaker than that but have a positive effect, or stronger but require resources more challenging than mill + monster reborn or stronger but have a negative effect, so in theory, a blue eyes white dragon could always beat most monsters in battle, assuming some other effect didn't destroy it before it got the chance. (Yugioh seems to have the opposite problem Pokemon TCG has, as battle damage isn't really something people worry about when it used to be so fundamental to the game and the reason why powerful monster removal spells and traps were common)
It's always weird to me thinking that a pokemon with an ability to do 10 damage is considered amazing. When I got back into the TCG when Sword and Shield started I saw everyone running Galarian Zigzagoon because it did 10 damage to a pokemon when you put it on the bench and I thought "HP values are so high, how is that going to be useful?" lol
I haven't played much but isn't it good just because most attacks leave pokemon with 10-30 hp leftover most of the time?
its like stealth rocks lol
Something worth noting is that the introductory set for gold stars, EX Team Rocket Returns, also introduced one of the most powerful disruptive supporters ever printed in Rocket's Admin, which shuffles both players' hands into their decks and they draw a card for each remaining prizes. I didn't play during this era, but I started in gen 5 and when Rocket's Admin was reprinted as "N" there was absolutely no denying its ability to brutally stall, if not outright shutdown your opponent (and that format was much faster and hard hitting in comparison).
The reason this is relevant is that it could've made the comeback components of many of the lesser gold stars much more potent if your opponent got hit with a Rocket's Admin at 1 or 2 prizes and you could continuously bludgeon them with cards like Groudon (or Regirock/Ice if you planned far enough ahead or got enough scoop up heads) while they fumbled to regain their footing.
But you can’t set up Groudon from the bench? How does this deck prevent Groudon from getting KO’d the turn it uses the energy attaching attack?
21:27 And this is why I am glad Yu Gi Oh constantly releases old cards.
How about a video about the mega evolution mechanic and how they fared? It seems there's so many yet only a few apparently got actually used
Like the actual megaevolution
I feel like Gold Star cards were more like a flex than anything as its a shiny pokemon
They are really pretty.
Ngl I want your take on the delta species cards I have even have few of the gold star cards myself
Man, those torchic, treecko, and mudkip cards are so pretty!
You read that Charazard wrong. Discard energy from the card and discard the top 3 cards of the "opponent's" deck. Not your deck.
The fact that Gold Star Torchic. A Fire type Pokémon inflicted Confusion with Spring Back instead of Burn is weird. But I'm also glad that they did it because having it inflict burn seems to obvious. Like that's why I'm hoping we get Dragoon with Eyes of Blue instead of Blue-Eyes White Dragoon.
i thought that was a April 1st gig but this guy really slaps
I cant forget that voice. Is this the Duellogs guy???
Yes. Hirumaredx
I have a Kyogre that I am avidly keeping
It’s not perfect, but luckily kid me never used it so it’s still in great state!
Rayquaza star won me state championships back in the day.
Same, Drew 12 prizes against mewtrik. Was so satisfying
*My brain a second after hearing your voice* Hey wait a second-
*checks channel name*
*recognizes video title format*
So it’s more than just Dueling
I'm not understanding why people were running Jolteon over the Flareon when the burn deals 2 damage vs Jolteon doing just 1. You could even switch your active out right away to remove the burn from your side.
Burn worked differently in generation 3 thats why. At the time burn did 20 damage but it was on a coin flip each turn; if you flipped heads you took 0 damage and if you flipped tails you took 20 (burn also persisted inbetween turns until you switched your active). So if you consider averages flareon does the same damage as jolteon, but at the cost of a coin flip it was better to use the more consistent card that always did 10 damage.
6:44 I remember thinking that they were smoking crack making meganium weak to grass and fire
I had mew gold star as a kid my all time favorite card for the art
They do look nice :)
As a collector and not a player this is the most important part 😁
And they are very expensive today. Lucky for the people that kept their cards in good condition or just collect them because they was gold. Rayquaza star prices are insane.
These are not failed mechanics more so a few of the cards are really lackluster despite the amazing artwork
I remember my cousin having a Pikachu star and giving his collection to me, that was the easiest 300 bucks I ever made lol
Bet he won't do that again!
The level of power creep between 2007 and 2008 was simply absurd, having played that format with one of my regular play partners being a 2006 world champion finalist. Any of the pokemon* Seeing ANY play in the DPP metagame speaks volumes of how good they were, and indeed, they were THAT good.
I still have a gold star registeel. Amazing card.
I am surprised that Latios and Latias star made the list. I figured having an attack that cause three different energy cards would be a huge detriment.
Song? 👀
9:35 it's _FEWER_ prize cards tho. C'mon, Pokemon.
Can't you evolve the gold star starter trio? surely a basic with more hp would be viable enough to replace a copy of a common basic
I don't think you can, the Star is a part of their name I believe.
I never played pokemon cards, but i thought shiny cards were similar to the non-shiny cards and you could just find random shiny prints of every pokemon in a set.
You can now! A lot of cards have much fancier alternate arts, some actually featuring the same art but with the mons shiny palette instead. They function identically otherwise
I always wanted a Kyogre ⭐ but that shit's expensive
Its cheap for a gold star lol
Stil in my opinion the best version of shiny Pokémon the tcg has done and my favourite type of card overall
I know this would never happen in an actual game but
What if the player's active Pokémon would be Mew gold star, it would have 1 energy other than water attached and the only opponent's pokémon would be Mew gold star? The player attacks with mimicry, the only Pokémon it can choose to copy an attack of is opponent's Mew. The player cannot copy Rainbow Wave because they don't have energy cost for it so they copy... Mimicry. Mew performs the copied Mimicry, thus it has to copy... Mimicry. Is this an endless loop? The only way out that I can see is the player choosing Rainbow Wave and failing but I am not sure if that's possible.
Can you really call it a failed mechanic if they brought it back (be it in a variation) with the prism star cards?
That's like arguing Crystal Pokemon didn't fail because they brought it back decades later with Stellar Tera.
Hell, look at Fossils. They kept bringing the mechanic back. It keeps failing except when it goes against its very concept.
A mechanic returning has nothing to do with it failing. Developers can perfectly bring a mechanic back for multitude of reasons in a TCG.
Why are the Regis so cursed? (Outside Regielectric)
I feel like they seem to be bad, in the games or TCG.
They are not particularly bad (not amazing, but not terrible either) in the games, excluding Regigigas who is the target of some unfunny running joke at GaneFreak.
Seriously they gave it Slow Start in a game with literally no abilities. They want it to be bad in purpouse.
@ Okay, so it’s that they are okay, but there’s just a lot of things already competing for that spot?
I don’t play the games much, but I’ve seen them get smack talked on them a lot, so I’m not an expert.
Thanks for the info.
No mention of Greninja gold star? From celebrations bundle
why would a card that was never legal to play be included in the video?
fuck i wish i knew the price of that umbreon when i had it -.- i think my mom gave it away when she gave my cards away after i moved out
I have an Umbreon Gold Star. How much is it worth nowadays? Its a little bit damaged tho, since I got it as a kid
Depending on the damage, you could probably sell an Umbreon Star for about $1000. Maybe more, depending on who you sold it to. Mint copies go closer to $4000-5000
@@Kaleidophoenixnoice
Top 10 competitive promo cards
I miss my gold star metagross, I unfortunately sold it for far too little...
I almost lost to registeel gold star playing rayler a few days ago lmao
Detonation would be excellent for a milling deck
All out Blast was kind of Berseker Soul
I have both Kyoger and Mew gold star cards. Theyre worth alot right now too.
I have a pokemon world tournament mew gold star, and even that card is worth hundreds of $
i sold mine like a dummy for way too cheap
Your channel would get much better with more GLC content.
Ironically, while most of those cards are not competively viable, alot of them are worth alot of money
Gold stars go hand in hand with crystal pokémon in showing Nintendo's growing pains in developing the TCG themselves.
Sorry, wait, the pokemon TCG has asexual spectrum cards?? That's hilarious lmao
You forgot Greninja
Why did you pronounce Mimicry so wrong? Mehmeh-cry?? Then you pronounced it correctly later haha😅
Always called them shiny cause they are
mimic cry
So umm... it wasn't a failed mechanic then? You start off by saying the entire second wave saw tons of competitive success, and the major issue is the ones that came after is that they needed to be as good as the second wave or better... but that still means the mechanic succeeded to see play in a lot of meta decks. Most radiant pokemon have never really been experimented with, with only two or three ever really seeing competitive play, but you called those fine sooooo... what?
It bothers me that no one can say mimicry correctly. Its “mimic-ree” not “mimic-rye”
Omg.... its u
Wait. This. isn't yugioh
"Failed mechanics"
>Literally the rarest and most sought after cards in the TCG by collectors...
One thing I found out about the Pokemon TCG, rarity dictates the price for a lot of these cards and not playability. Base set Charizard is unplayable in its own format, yet it's the most expensive. Gen 3 Pokemon TCG is when I played the most before dropping it entirely. Pokemon star werent something you were actually wanting to add to your deck.
No one cares about collecters. This is about the game.
@williamkeiser7562 base set charizard isn't rarer then other holo It's just seen as more desirable
Factually incorrect. Many cards are desirable, such as alt arts versus trainer gallery, but, the more scarce a card is, the more expensive itll be. Its a mix of desirablity and scarcity. For older cards, think rarity more than scarcity too, not just pull rates, but how many NM copies exist.@@Hachiko96
@@boxkid759Lots of these cards were playable though.
Hey guys, did you know that in terms of gold star Pokemon cards ....