Innocent until proven guilty isn’t a thing anymore. One single person can lie about you and bam, canceled. Career over. No proof. and if you don’t believe them with all the lack of evidence your a bad person and support sexual assault. This current world is insane
And conversely you can tell the truth about someone but if they’re successful it can come right back in your face and do absolutely nothing. Both scenarios happen all the time where the public gets it wrong. Booka was clearly innocent and I feel really bad for her.
I remember when this came out finding the story very fishy. Seemed like everyone jumped to conclusions without ever giving her a chance to defend herself. Really sucks because she was great in MTS.
I actually believe her. It's just too weird for all these messages to get released accusing her of something so damning (and the messages are not even that bad). There's definitely more behind this that we will probably never know. Bet it was another woman who was jealous of Booka getting all the attention, so decided to obliterate her.
@@gunlean7738 it is, but it’s also an artistic endeavor. No one is forced to play with anyone else and if the rest of the band agrees that it’s not the right fit for any reason (even a dumb one like this), you’re out. Otherwise, there would never be bands breaking up for “artistic differences.”
She’s still friends with the vocalist but honestly I wish she wasn’t so easy on them. They weren’t understanding of her, why should she be toward them? She was their friend and they didn’t have her back. It’s cowardice of the band.
I see no indication that she sexually assaulted anyone. It sounds like she just took the initiative and made the first move on a lad. “Taking charge” doesn’t necessarily mean you’re forcing yourself on someone. I hope all of this blows over and the guy comes forward to clear the air for her. With that being said, this is a prime example of what men go through all the time. You can’t say or do anything without people over analyzing and looking for a reason to crucify you.
@@hakametal an ex friend of hers, can't remember her name, they used to live together but obviously it must have been a toxic friendship. Horrible person to do this to Booka.
@@theopinson3851 She was fired from her band because she sexually assaulted a dude and then later made fun of him about it in text messages that were leaked. The band held her accountable for these actions and Booka was asked to leave. Booka is free to pursue whatever job she wants, even if that means joining another band, but her time with this particular one has come to an end. Fixed it for you.
@@levischorpioen then what is “canceling”? You could argue that she was justifiably canceled (Kanye being a great example of this), but it’s pretty hard to argue she wasn’t cancelled at all.
Exactly, I’m so sick of people getting called out for this stuff. Getting no real punishment other than people saying some hurtful things. Then go and act like a victim. She was gonna be kicked out of mts before any of this came to light. People think that people have to go to jail for this shit to be real. So many sexual abuses get off Scott free.
@Monolith_Terminater so someone has to risk their safety for you to believe them? That’s kinda fucked. She was at the height of her popularity. If he made himself known and through himself into the public eye. Then imagine that backlash of all the people who simp for this girl. It’s already hard enough for people to believe it happened to a guy because apparently this stuff is impossible to happen the men. But it does. Your argument makes no sense. Some people don’t want to walk around and be famous for this shit. But you want to destroy their lives along with hers. Why should the victim suffer more just so you can listen. Have fun ignoring the truth lol. There was actually proof.
@Monolith_Terminater also, he said she said? Are you aware the proof was someone took a screen shot of her words?? Like she admitted it too someone and started joking about it. So someone outed her for it. So she destroyed her own career.
@Monolith_Terminater that’s crazy dude. The proof is still out their. But you don’t even try have a look. You’re talking about sexual abuse. Not a parking ticket. Have fun be on the wrong side of sexual abuse
Dude, I'm gonna miss her. Drown With Me will forever be my favorite song from her Make Them Suffer era. Too bad this all happened. She was the "party cake" in the band.
I'm going to miss her in make them suffer. I've read the messages and it seemed like one of those conversatioms between friends that wasnt2saod in a very serious way. But I guess it didn't read the same way for everyone.
Anybody else notice how Aiden Holmes got banished into the dark realm almost immediately after that shit happened? But this woman still has found a way to stay relevant: h o w
When the accusations are unfounded I feel like people deserve to be out in the open. She also literally pointed out how this kind of allegation is worse for men.
Aiden Holmes is a clear rapist piece of shit, he creeped on 15 year olds in my local scene, he slid into so many of my underage mates dms, and has multiple rape allegations from a multitude of women, with backed up legal evidence. Sorry but people who fuck with underage people like that, deserve to be sent beyond the shadow realm.
Innocent until proven guilty isn’t a thing anymore. One single person can lie about you and bam, canceled. Career over. No proof. and if you don’t believe them with all the lack of evidence your a bad person and support sexual assault. This current world is insane
And conversely you can tell the truth about someone but if they’re successful it can come right back in your face and do absolutely nothing. Both scenarios happen all the time where the public gets it wrong. Booka was clearly innocent and I feel really bad for her.
A terrifying situation. I sincerely hope that Booka will leave it all behind and achieve a well-deserved success. I miss that incredible clean voice
Dude she’s amazing and the injustices against her sickens me.
I remember when this came out finding the story very fishy. Seemed like everyone jumped to conclusions without ever giving her a chance to defend herself. Really sucks because she was great in MTS.
I actually believe her. It's just too weird for all these messages to get released accusing her of something so damning (and the messages are not even that bad). There's definitely more behind this that we will probably never know.
Bet it was another woman who was jealous of Booka getting all the attention, so decided to obliterate her.
Is there even a court case or anything. Has she got a csse for unfair dismissal from Make Them Suffer if she was sacked because of the accusation?
Being in a band isn’t a union job.
@@theopinson3851 it's a business bro
@@gunlean7738 it is, but it’s also an artistic endeavor. No one is forced to play with anyone else and if the rest of the band agrees that it’s not the right fit for any reason (even a dumb one like this), you’re out. Otherwise, there would never be bands breaking up for “artistic differences.”
@@theopinson3851 just like a business bro, don't like workin there, it's not a good fit, ya leave 🤷♂️
She’s still friends with the vocalist but honestly I wish she wasn’t so easy on them. They weren’t understanding of her, why should she be toward them? She was their friend and they didn’t have her back. It’s cowardice of the band.
I see no indication that she sexually assaulted anyone. It sounds like she just took the initiative and made the first move on a lad. “Taking charge” doesn’t necessarily mean you’re forcing yourself on someone. I hope all of this blows over and the guy comes forward to clear the air for her. With that being said, this is a prime example of what men go through all the time. You can’t say or do anything without people over analyzing and looking for a reason to crucify you.
Thankfully the guy is on her side - it was a non involved third party that’s caused all this trouble.
@@clubgood Wait so who leaked the messages then? The third party?
@@hakametal an ex friend of hers, can't remember her name, they used to live together but obviously it must have been a toxic friendship. Horrible person to do this to Booka.
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You didn't get "cancelled", Booka. You were held accountable for your actions. There's a difference.
She was fired from her band, had her career ended, over a couple of text messages. I’d say that’s canceling.
@@theopinson3851 She was fired from her band because she sexually assaulted a dude and then later made fun of him about it in text messages that were leaked. The band held her accountable for these actions and Booka was asked to leave. Booka is free to pursue whatever job she wants, even if that means joining another band, but her time with this particular one has come to an end.
Fixed it for you.
@@levischorpioen that’s one version of events, yes. It doesn’t really hold up to even the lightest scrutiny though.
@@theopinson3851 Doesn’t matter. Point is she wasn’t cancelled. That’s not what cancelling is. She is free to do whatever she wants, evidently.
@@levischorpioen then what is “canceling”? You could argue that she was justifiably canceled (Kanye being a great example of this), but it’s pretty hard to argue she wasn’t cancelled at all.
this'll get downvoted or whatever but at the end of the day whether it's a male or female what she did was wrong and yall are simps.
Exactly, I’m so sick of people getting called out for this stuff. Getting no real punishment other than people saying some hurtful things. Then go and act like a victim.
She was gonna be kicked out of mts before any of this came to light.
People think that people have to go to jail for this shit to be real.
So many sexual abuses get off Scott free.
@Monolith_Terminater so someone has to risk their safety for you to believe them? That’s kinda fucked.
She was at the height of her popularity. If he made himself known and through himself into the public eye. Then imagine that backlash of all the people who simp for this girl.
It’s already hard enough for people to believe it happened to a guy because apparently this stuff is impossible to happen the men. But it does. Your argument makes no sense. Some people don’t want to walk around and be famous for this shit. But you want to destroy their lives along with hers. Why should the victim suffer more just so you can listen.
Have fun ignoring the truth lol. There was actually proof.
@Monolith_Terminater also, he said she said? Are you aware the proof was someone took a screen shot of her words?? Like she admitted it too someone and started joking about it. So someone outed her for it. So she destroyed her own career.
@Monolith_Terminater that’s crazy dude. The proof is still out their. But you don’t even try have a look. You’re talking about sexual abuse. Not a parking ticket. Have fun be on the wrong side of sexual abuse
did you actually listen to the podcast? She explains the situation clearly, making your comment redundant
Dude, I'm gonna miss her.
Drown With Me will forever be my favorite song from her Make Them Suffer era.
Too bad this all happened.
She was the "party cake" in the band.
What man on earth would turn Booka down for sex?
Absolutely PLENTY would lmao...
I'm going to miss her in make them suffer. I've read the messages and it seemed like one of those conversatioms between friends that wasnt2saod in a very serious way. But I guess it didn't read the same way for everyone.
Anybody else notice how Aiden Holmes got banished into the dark realm almost immediately after that shit happened? But this woman still has found a way to stay relevant: h o w
this sounds pretty incelish - she clearly didnt do anything sketchy and was smeared by a psycho,
When the accusations are unfounded I feel like people deserve to be out in the open. She also literally pointed out how this kind of allegation is worse for men.
Aiden Holmes is a clear rapist piece of shit, he creeped on 15 year olds in my local scene, he slid into so many of my underage mates dms, and has multiple rape allegations from a multitude of women, with backed up legal evidence. Sorry but people who fuck with underage people like that, deserve to be sent beyond the shadow realm.
Perhaps this is karma for perpetuating false accusations against Bryce?
I just can't see this educated and kind woman could 'assault' someone
Ted Bundy was a respected doctor and seemed kind and aproachable at first...
you'll be surprised my friend,
Never judge a book by its cover