First review I see that is not overhyped. Is great when you see a review that is honest and can really help you to know the game better in order to see if the game is for you.
Mike, you always talk sense. I just don't hear succinct pros and cons from anyone else. You are insightful, too. I was disappointed that I missed this game release - but not so much, now. I have games still in their wrappers calling out to be played! A big thumbs up for this review. 👍
I think the best thing about the game is that all the issues are pretty easily house ruleable. For example I’ve heard people complain about the fact that you have to get rid of your skills at the end of each round but you can simply decide not to. Some complain that you don’t get to keep anything you’ve discovered between each campaign and again you can choose go just pick a few things to keep. Some complain combat is too hard because enemies attack after each person attack then all attack again at end of round. Again easy to just ignore that extra attack at end of round. I love the game and think it’s by far one of best games of its kind and for me miles better than Tainted Grail
Great points Erik, and yeah, for me too, TG is a distant memory compared to SG. Tainted Grail REQUIRED house ruling in my opinion, and even then was kind of a slog, whereas even by the book this one is generally a pleasure for me.
I'm in the midst of a playthrough with my daughter at the moment and this one sure is a table hog! But we are enjoying it so far. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thank you for sharing. I agree with all 5 of of your points. And, you're right - it's tough to distill the game into 5 points, but you did great in doing so. Sleeping Gods was my most anticipated KS for 2021 and I started playing it as soon as it arrived and played through a campaign (by campaign I mean I played for a set time/actions). I enjoyed almost everything about the game. But, although I did enjoy the game a lot I found it lacking. The aspect that I found lacking was major for me. It's probably just me, but I wanted an epic story that tied most everything together (however long that might take), but that wasn't what I found. I found a lot of great short stories. That is okay and see that some may prefer a game like that. Play through some stories, put it way, play some more stories later, rinse and repeat. During my 'campaign' I found an ending to some stories, but many I didn't because the campaign time/action count ran out. If I played another campaign I would replay some stories, find new stories, but once again wouldn't have time to finish all the stories. I didn't want that.
Yup, totally agree. It's got that open world thing going on, for good and bad. It reminds me of Fallout or Skyrim, but where you never pursue the main quest, but just bounce around having little adventures.
Really insightful review as usual, 7C and Tainted Grail are among my all time favorites, I haven't played Sleeping Gods yet but I didn't realize it could be compared to these two games
YOU DO SUCH AN EXCELLENT JOB, MIKE 👏😊 of encapsulating the key points of any game & presenting them in a coherent & logical fashion - & in a commendably concise manner - thereby allowing any would be purchaser to decide whether it’s a game for them or not. 🤔 That is NOT always an easy task - especially with some of the more complex & involving games… which makes the job you do all the more impressive & very much appreciated! 🏆🥇 WELL DONE & MANY THANKS! ~ LOUIS C.
The 15-hour campaign is appealing to me on paper. I kind of burned out on huge campaigns the size of Gloomhaven. I'm hoping each SG campaign is satisfying in its own right and feels complete. I think I'd be ok putting 6 months or a year or two between campaigns. How did you find setup/teardown?
Set-up and teardown can be annoying, depending on your storage situation, because you have to keep track of all the upgrade cards and such you had and reset them for the next session. It's comparable to 7th Continent in this, if you've played or seen that. As for each campaign feeling satisfying on its own, one potential issue is that, because each quest is mostly its own discrete story, you might not feel like the campaign overall is cohesive enough. It didn't bug me much, but I can see it not working well for some.
I've been debating between this and 7th Continent and I think the table sprawl of this is just too much. Really like the depth of this short review though.
@@OneStopCoopShop 7th Continent contains the sprawl mainly between the Itemstacks and character hand, so I find it much more manageable. Sleeping Gods just... gets everywhere.
@@OneStopCoopShop True but I feel like the sprawl for 7th Continent is at least related to the exploration as opposed to just the set up of a 9 player co-op Solo game.
thankyou Michael for all these great succinct reviews. much appreciated! are you planning on covering the upcoming Adventures of Robin Hood by Kosmos? i think at some point i will choose between getting that and Sleeping Gods. Happy Easter
Dice Throne Adventures, and the Season 1 collected fighters box. Season 2 fighters are to the left, but I bought them separately, so no big collection for them :)
The idea of having to reset upgrades within a campaign just to do it again just irks me. My inner JRPG New Game+ fan boy is screaming no on this one. I’ve been intrigued by the gameplay, but I might find an online campaign play through to experience the core story.
We were really disappointed with Sleeping Gods, probably because we played multiplayer and it is evidently best played solo. I really disliked the art on the fatigue tokens as well. It felt like assigning a 'piddle puddle' of sorts, i.e this character has managed to wet themselves....🤷♂️
LOL, I never paid attention to the fatigue art, but that is HILARIOUS! And yeah, I think I mentioned it in my review, but this is very much one of those games where multiplayer is basically just taking solo and divvying up the elements between people. I like that best with 2 players, and find it more annoying with more.
On some other you seems to be calmer.. and your buddy Colin is joy to listen. I am not saying you are not having anything to say - quite opposite - I subscribed for very good content. This American way of overenegetise speaking throws me back. Colin seems to be also more careful of what he says. Your audience comes from different places in the world so it is worth to consider.. Just a bit of constructive criticism.
I do get more excited about some games than others. Another thing to try if some videos are tougher to follow. The closed captions UA-cam does automatically tend to be almost 100% accurate to what I am saying, if you're the type of person who doesn't mind subtitles :)
Sorry, that's just how I talk (and how I've been talking on the channel/podcast for the past 3 years). You can lower the volume and slow down the playback speed if it helps :)
0:00 - Introduction
0:32 - Almanac Movement
1:29 - Combat
2:26 - Quests and Replay
3:43 - Exploration and Narrative
4:32 - Challenge Grab Bag!
6:20 - Final Thoughts
First review I see that is not overhyped. Is great when you see a review that is honest and can really help you to know the game better in order to see if the game is for you.
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
The review that I have been waiting for! You're my solo game guru. :)
Thanks Drew! Hope it was helpful.
Mike, you always talk sense.
I just don't hear succinct pros and cons from anyone else. You are insightful, too.
I was disappointed that I missed this game release - but not so much, now.
I have games still in their wrappers calling out to be played!
A big thumbs up for this review. 👍
Thanks so much! And yes, the new hotness deserves our love, but so do all our other games ;)
Wonderful review. Love the condensed version. Great points and not longer than it needs to be
Glad you liked it!
I think the best thing about the game is that all the issues are pretty easily house ruleable. For example I’ve heard people complain about the fact that you have to get rid of your skills at the end of each round but you can simply decide not to. Some complain that you don’t get to keep anything you’ve discovered between each campaign and again you can choose go just pick a few things to keep. Some complain combat is too hard because enemies attack after each person attack then all attack again at end of round. Again easy to just ignore that extra attack at end of round. I love the game and think it’s by far one of best games of its kind and for me miles better than Tainted Grail
Great points Erik, and yeah, for me too, TG is a distant memory compared to SG. Tainted Grail REQUIRED house ruling in my opinion, and even then was kind of a slog, whereas even by the book this one is generally a pleasure for me.
I'm in the midst of a playthrough with my daughter at the moment and this one sure is a table hog! But we are enjoying it so far. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Awesome! My wife loved it, and I want to try it with my son too.
buy a bigger table
Lol, always the logical choice… 😅
Thank you for sharing. I agree with all 5 of of your points. And, you're right - it's tough to distill the game into 5 points, but you did great in doing so.
Sleeping Gods was my most anticipated KS for 2021 and I started playing it as soon as it arrived and played through a campaign (by campaign I mean I played for a set time/actions). I enjoyed almost everything about the game. But, although I did enjoy the game a lot I found it lacking. The aspect that I found lacking was major for me. It's probably just me, but I wanted an epic story that tied most everything together (however long that might take), but that wasn't what I found. I found a lot of great short stories. That is okay and see that some may prefer a game like that. Play through some stories, put it way, play some more stories later, rinse and repeat. During my 'campaign' I found an ending to some stories, but many I didn't because the campaign time/action count ran out. If I played another campaign I would replay some stories, find new stories, but once again wouldn't have time to finish all the stories. I didn't want that.
Yup, totally agree. It's got that open world thing going on, for good and bad. It reminds me of Fallout or Skyrim, but where you never pursue the main quest, but just bounce around having little adventures.
Aw, I was hoping for an epic tale too. Do you have recommendation for the one with epic stories though?
Was really looking forward to your thoughts on this one!! Thank you :D
Thanks for watching!
Really insightful review as usual, 7C and Tainted Grail are among my all time favorites, I haven't played Sleeping Gods yet but I didn't realize it could be compared to these two games
If you enjoy both of those I imagine you’ll like SG too ;)
YOU DO SUCH AN EXCELLENT JOB, MIKE 👏😊 of encapsulating the key points of any game & presenting them in a coherent & logical fashion - & in a commendably concise manner - thereby allowing any would be purchaser to decide whether it’s a game for them or not. 🤔 That is NOT always an easy task - especially with some of the more complex & involving games… which makes the job you do all the more impressive & very much appreciated! 🏆🥇 WELL DONE & MANY THANKS! ~ LOUIS C.
Aw, thank you so much!!!
Thank you. Great Review!!!
Thanks for watching!
ah man someone else beat me to the down thumb! LOL
Their hate burns stronger!
It looks like it plays similarly to Sunless Sea.
Haven't heard of that one!
The 15-hour campaign is appealing to me on paper. I kind of burned out on huge campaigns the size of Gloomhaven. I'm hoping each SG campaign is satisfying in its own right and feels complete. I think I'd be ok putting 6 months or a year or two between campaigns.
How did you find setup/teardown?
Set-up and teardown can be annoying, depending on your storage situation, because you have to keep track of all the upgrade cards and such you had and reset them for the next session. It's comparable to 7th Continent in this, if you've played or seen that.
As for each campaign feeling satisfying on its own, one potential issue is that, because each quest is mostly its own discrete story, you might not feel like the campaign overall is cohesive enough. It didn't bug me much, but I can see it not working well for some.
I've been debating between this and 7th Continent and I think the table sprawl of this is just too much. Really like the depth of this short review though.
Thanks for watching. Not sure 7th Continent has better sprawl once you get exploring a bunch, just to warn you ;)
@@OneStopCoopShop 7th Continent contains the sprawl mainly between the Itemstacks and character hand, so I find it much more manageable. Sleeping Gods just... gets everywhere.
@@OneStopCoopShop True but I feel like the sprawl for 7th Continent is at least related to the exploration as opposed to just the set up of a 9 player co-op Solo game.
@@Alex-mf8qm can't argue with that! :)
Is this new intro music? It's sweet!
I've started switching the song for each review. Glad you enjoyed this one!
The "sprawl" is the main reason why I'm not grabbed by this game. It kinda feels as if I'm 9-handed soloing it, and it's just too much.
Yup, can definitely see that, though since characters don't have individual turns, it's not as bad as it might seem.
thankyou Michael for all these great succinct reviews.
much appreciated!
are you planning on covering the upcoming Adventures of Robin Hood by Kosmos?
i think at some point i will choose between getting that and Sleeping Gods.
Happy Easter
Thanks for watching, and happy Easter to you too!
We have reached out to Kosmos about a potential review copy, so we will see!
I'm super curious. What are those two games on the shelf behind you with boxes that look like books?
Dice Throne Adventures, and the Season 1 collected fighters box. Season 2 fighters are to the left, but I bought them separately, so no big collection for them :)
The idea of having to reset upgrades within a campaign just to do it again just irks me. My inner JRPG New Game+ fan boy is screaming no on this one.
I’ve been intrigued by the gameplay, but I might find an online campaign play through to experience the core story.
You are in luck. Colin is most of the way through one on our channel
Wait aminute...about 5 minutes...7 minutes...i feel lied to
Sacrifices were made for the epic-ness of the game
We were really disappointed with Sleeping Gods, probably because we played multiplayer and it is evidently best played solo.
I really disliked the art on the fatigue tokens as well. It felt like assigning a 'piddle puddle' of sorts, i.e this character has managed to wet themselves....🤷♂️
LOL, I never paid attention to the fatigue art, but that is HILARIOUS!
And yeah, I think I mentioned it in my review, but this is very much one of those games where multiplayer is basically just taking solo and divvying up the elements between people. I like that best with 2 players, and find it more annoying with more.
On some other you seems to be calmer.. and your buddy Colin is joy to listen. I am not saying you are not having anything to say - quite opposite - I subscribed for very good content. This American way of overenegetise speaking throws me back. Colin seems to be also more careful of what he says. Your audience comes from different places in the world so it is worth to consider.. Just a bit of constructive criticism.
I do get more excited about some games than others. Another thing to try if some videos are tougher to follow. The closed captions UA-cam does automatically tend to be almost 100% accurate to what I am saying, if you're the type of person who doesn't mind subtitles :)
OGH! That is actually amazing idea! Volume on 0 and captions! I definitely prefer captions! Next episode “with Mike” I’ll give it a try!
@@m.muzinski7842 awesome! Hope it's easier to digest that way ;)
Mike.. please don’t shout.. slow down a bit..
Sorry, that's just how I talk (and how I've been talking on the channel/podcast for the past 3 years). You can lower the volume and slow down the playback speed if it helps :)