Pat Esgate and Shantel Smith, thank you for broadening our knowledge on Mariana. It's wonderful to be in the company of folks like yourselves, who place the stories within the time and space where they occurred. Mariana's part of the story is certainly fascinating, and we appreciate you for eliminating some of the judgements we make about these people, by keeping us focussed on the facts that history presents. All in for Anne Lister and her story :)
I recently visited Church Lawton in Cheshire and the Lawton family grave. Nearby are two graves in memory of Lawton servants. One was erected by Mariana to their long-serving housekeeper, Mary Routledge died 1832. The second was to one Harvey William Buckley, died 1905, butler for 10 years to the late W.P.Lawton. (This was a descendant of Charles, Mariana's husband.)
I have never been much of a fangirl. But I must say I am so glad that all of these wonderful people have uncovered so much information on these extraordinary people. Many thanks to you all.
Great job Shantel. I remember talking with u about your Mariana studies, ehem they were very fresh in YT. The cleaning of the graveyards, really touched my heart! I wish you and everyone you love all the best and Pat and wish best of luck for this year, hoping thr Anne bday bash to be able to work. Never know about this Corona thang. Blessings to everyone. Thank you for sharing! Happy New week to all!!!♡♡♡♡♡
This was a great chat, was good to find out more of Mariana and Anne's relationship. They really did go through alot, im glad they managed to stay friends in the end and there may be TeamMariana and TeamAnn, im just TeamLister 🤣 thanks again!
Thanks so much for this interesting discussion which introduces nuance and more background to Mariana's decision to get married. Do we know Mariana's reaction to Anne Listers' death?
wow, this is truly an eye opener. Little we know about women back in 1800's. I think what Marianna's decision to marry Charles was merely to help her family, which i think, there is nothing wrong during her time. She is family oriented and I think she did the right thing. Besides, the Lawtons were not poor at all. They were somehow regarded as middle class so Marianna ending up with the rich guy is given.
Pat Esgate and Shantel Smith, thank you for broadening our knowledge on Mariana. It's wonderful to be in the company of folks like yourselves, who place the stories within the time and space where they occurred. Mariana's part of the story is certainly fascinating, and we appreciate you for eliminating some of the judgements we make about these people, by keeping us focussed on the facts that history presents. All in for Anne Lister and her story :)
I recently visited Church Lawton in Cheshire and the Lawton family grave. Nearby are two graves in memory of Lawton servants. One was erected by Mariana to their long-serving housekeeper, Mary Routledge died 1832. The second was to one Harvey William Buckley, died 1905, butler for 10 years to the late W.P.Lawton. (This was a descendant of Charles, Mariana's husband.)
I will listen to this later
I have never been much of a fangirl. But I must say I am so glad that all of these wonderful people have uncovered so much information on these extraordinary people. Many thanks to you all.
Very interesting info on Marianna's family! Thank you for sharing !
Great job Shantel. I remember talking with u about your Mariana studies, ehem they were very fresh in YT. The cleaning of the graveyards, really touched my heart! I wish you and everyone you love all the best and Pat and wish best of luck for this year, hoping thr Anne bday bash to be able to work. Never know about this Corona thang. Blessings to everyone. Thank you for sharing! Happy New week to all!!!♡♡♡♡♡
Thier story is honestly tragic and heart breaking
I learnt so much🎉
So interesting, thank you for the information and discussion!
Love you Pat!
Let's hope the weekend goes ahead this year. Sending you lots of love. X
👏🏻👏🏻Bravo to Team Gentleman Jack, Pat Esgate & Team Mariana ❤
This was a great chat, was good to find out more of Mariana and Anne's relationship. They really did go through alot, im glad they managed to stay friends in the end and there may be TeamMariana and TeamAnn, im just TeamLister 🤣 thanks again!
Well. think there should not be any teams.They separate folks. Live, laugh, love.♡ Team Lister is a great answer though. Love and light to thee.
Thanks so much for this interesting discussion which introduces nuance and more background to Mariana's decision to get married. Do we know Mariana's reaction to Anne Listers' death?
I don't think we do but she must surely have been heartbroken.
Just for future reference; it isn't Scarbrowe, it is pronounced Scarb'rruh. Great information, very interesting, thank you.
That's the American pronunciation! They don't know how to pronounce "borough". English spelling can be pretty confusing.
wow, this is truly an eye opener. Little we know about women back in 1800's. I think what Marianna's decision to marry Charles was merely to help her family, which i think, there is nothing wrong during her time. She is family oriented and I think she did the right thing. Besides, the Lawtons were not poor at all. They were somehow regarded as middle class so Marianna ending up with the rich guy is given.
Very interesting info on Marianna's family! Thank you for sharing !
Very interesting info on Marianna's family! Thank you for sharing !