And yet, Felicia broke up with Peter in Zeb’s run for the exact same reasons that Shay does here: he was depressed most of the time, unreliable, unfocused, unemployed and felt more like a project than an actual Boyfriend. So once again, nothing really changes and Peter either learns nothing at all or relearns lessons that he should already know at his age
No Felicia broke up with him because she felt like they were just settling for each other. When Tombstone daughter told her stuff like how Randy is always on her about committing crimes trying to get her to quit was a sign that he truly cares and loves her, which got Felicia thinking how since she and Peter got back together he hasn't once got on her about stealing. It got her questioning about whether or not they were both really into this. Even if they do love each other it just wasn't the right time to be together.
@ like I said, she told him that she wanted a relationship, not a project. He couldn’t be emotionally invest in the relationship because his own life was a mess due to the mentioned issues. “ I don’t want a project “ equals “ get your act together “. Felicia was carrying him the entire time they were together last time
Honestly I’m getting tired of seeing Peter being miserable and pathetic 24/7. I just miss him being hopeful, getting his life balanced, and actually win a fight without help from others and how smart and clever he is, while being funny again. Great work on the review.
Right? Like, I’m all for Pete and Felicia giving it another go if MJ comes with so many editorial strings attached, but not like this. Genuinely, I think she deserves an apology from Pete after this.
In all honesty, I think it’s kind of gross how Marvel has been treating a lot of of the women in the Spider-Man book. They seem like they’re so disposable and they don’t actually make an attempt to make them feel like real people.
Black Cat must have that magic touch cuz every time Peter’s in a rut she’s been there for the past three runs picking him back up and hopping lol she really loves that Parker boy
You know you messed up when even the black cat fans are mad She's kissing peter, Felicia for years and said she doesn't want to be Peter's rebound girl and they keep making her do it
There are many girls who are much better in every sense of the word than Mary Jane Watson. The main thing is that there are many such women, namely Morrigan, Gwen Stacy (Spider-Woman), Felicia Hardy (Black Cat) and Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel). So Peter Parker has a lot of girls to choose from to become his beloved wife for life!
Peter Parker, at this point, is just the Marvel comics whipping boy they aren't allowed to finally kill off no matter how much I "know" they really want to.
An angle I really wish they would have gone with this is Peter after a breaking event just keeps showing up and fighting crime. Showing up to the trials and winning. He does talk to anyone or banter. He just shows up and wins. A villain shows up unrelated to the event and he just houses them in short order. Call back to that weird island mini where he was breifly without emotions and was terrifying. Just have the attacking baddies getting increasingly spooked because mind tricks have stopped working at all. Then they just freakin' totally recoil in horror when they figure out he's been catonic for several trials and he's just been owning everyone on auto-pilot. He's just instinctively Spidermaning.
Having Peter hooking back up with Felicia right after a recent break up. It feels like we're repeating the same mistakes. The given reasons why it didn't work out last time were things like "She broke up with because he wasn't toxic enough" or "he wasn't over Maryjane", but in truth what happened is actually obvious and they say it themselves "We're just going through the motions." There was no real development in their relationship last time, and I believe that's because Wells and editorial had them get together only just because they needed Peter to have a love interest. Not to see it develop into anything with staying power but just so he can have a girl on his arm and nothing more. Now here we are seeing them make the same mistake.
Maybe after all of this, Cyttorak will see Spider-Man and the X-Men fighting his Cyrons, and he is interested in it, and he reestablishes his deal with Dr. Strange that every year, a champion will face his children, but instead of it just being Dr. Strange like the last times, it will be a new champion every year that challenges his children, like one year Dr. Strange faces him, then another year Hulk faces them, then another year Wolverine or Wolverine Laura Kinney faces them, then another year Magik faces them, then another year Cyclopse faces them, then another year Iron Man faces them, and it goes like that to where multiple heroes take on Cyttorak's children.
Nope. During all this, Spidey will DIE and then be resurrected as Cyttorak's champion!! As for who will be fighting him annually, Marvel's Solicits have not revealed WHO it will be!!!
How is that going to help when he he he have to die and he just went and saw all his friends and stuff die in front of him over and over. That would fuck anybody up except someone like Logan or thor. But you had to be not normal in the head too. Not come out from that okay. He's not like the m c from rezero.
I kinda don’t like the idea of Pete being depressed and then kissing Black Cat especially if it’s not a long term plan so it just feels like he got in his feelings texted his ex and has to wake up with the consequences
I don't blame Shay for leaving Peter at this point, like he keeps missing out on their dates and gives the worst possible excuse. Even then, she still gave him another chance and what does he do ? He ghosted her for another 2 weeks not knowing what happened. Like the character Shay has not been very deep but it's been established she is an overall well rounded person who needs someone can depend on with what little panel time we are given. But the story treats her like an afterthought, that can leave a lot of fans alienated from the new love interest in Peter's life. Peter's life is a chaotic mess, I still wonder why he refuses to not tell his friends and loved ones he Is spider man like miles. We've been already shown secrets in a relationship poisons the relationship and peter should have learned that by now.
6:07 its not exactly a rebound as she is more less flirty abd try to help. i dooubt they will be back together. As peter and shay its implied for preview the relaunch they are together in an apartment.
No, no, NO!!!! WTF is all of this?!? I'm so sick of EVERYTHING they're doing with Spider-Man!! Why is this garbage being greenlit!? WHY ISN'T THE CURRENT EDITORIAL NOT FIRED YET?!?
Batman: “Let me guess a cosmic being had shown a tragedy and death loop. And that everything you’re doing is meaningless and then you go back to your ex lover for comfort in your darkest hour.” Spider-man: “Yeah has this ever happened to you before?” Batman: “Yep, welcome to my world.”
So gross to introduce Black Cat to the story this way. Really weird stuff. When Peter's back to normal for issue 1, I wonder if she'll just up and vanish.
Wait do you dislike ultimate Spider-Man or like it? And are you saying that in the sense of you have a new carnation of the spiderman character to have hope for
@ajayxerx1511 I almost hate it. The writing and the actual narrative are atrocious and this garbage only gets glazed cause its better than wells run in the actual content (it's still worse than basically any other SM run ever)
I knew it, I Flippin knew it! I knew not to give any hope to this book. I’m so sorry Joel, you go through this book for us. I’m a be honest if you just dropped the amazing Spider-Man just focused on the other books. I would totally understand.
Agreed, Joel, this was a very nihilistic, depressing issue of ASM. Which makes you not to want continue reading it anymore and just stick to USM, the best version of Spidey to date, bar NONE!
@@thenewrobin1913 yes. I assume you haven’t read spider-man in some time. She doesn’t appear as frequently in the books today as she did when she was married to Jonah’s father during Dan Slott’s run/ superior Spider-Man though
I gotta agree with you after this review, three issues of straight up nihilism is too much. I was really enjoying it up until then, especially with current events in America right now. This book REALLY hasn't helped my mood.
I think u might be missing the point with black cat. They have a tocix relationship, this why it never works out but she does care about him so it makes sense that he would go to her out of anybody he is close to. I get where ur coming from but I think it's a lil deeperthan that and I'm with u with not doing this "sad spidey" ish again! It's getting old
@@keitarousegawa doubtful. Most likely, Peter will just “ grow” from this adventure and realize that Depression doesn’t have to run his life. I mean, Shay, Felicia and now even Spider-Boy have said those exact words to him for several issues, so it’s safe to assume that that is the lesson for him learn( yet again). It’ll probably take someone to get hurt due to his apathy to bring him to his senses.
You know maybe I miss it but him and Shay didn't really break up so he's a cheater too damn Pete while Ultimate Peter is fighting for his life and family in ultimate savage the main universe Peter needs to get his ding dong wet but he sad 😂 again Joel you are the real MVP to review Amazing Spider-Man I would've quit like I did the book years ago
Spider-Man has been so bad that I don’t wven watch your recaps anymore. With that what is going on in this new series? Why exactly is Peter a Science guy the Champion of Magic?
They have completely destroyed peter Parker Spider-Man character to the point he’s a cheater congratulations marvel you ruined a great character for garbage.
@@Dhampir101980problem we know in the solicitations he’s and stupid shay are going to get back together meaning they didn’t break up by the end of this awful story.
@@Dhampir101980personally for me I don’t give a damn about Shay I just want her gone forever the same way I want Paul gone too, and just let Peter Parker Spider-Man and Mary Jane remember everything they lost and have their daughter mayday Parker spider-girl finally exist on the mainstream marvel universe but that’s just my opinion.
Dude every spiderman fan want that it's just a matter of time for the two of them to find their way back to each other just hope the new writers fix this and don't ruin it any more. It seems that there is little hope, but we still cling to it because everything is changeable ^_^❤@@TevyaSmolka
At least Cyra's doubts and curiosity are making this latest sadsack arc a little more interesting than it might be. Imagine if it's Cain who snaps Pete out of his funk. I can't see how the Spidernaut comes out of this otherwise (edit: in a satisfying manner, Pete "winning" and getting the powers is how it'll go, I know...)
Marvel has confirmed they will NEVER put MJ and Peter back together again (at least until this current generation of higher ups die or leave the company) and Shay proved to be a complete waste of time. Just pair him up with Black Cat permanently then, or have him and Spider-Gwen hook up, it would actually be something interesting they can do with her, since she’s floundering on her own.
And yet, Felicia broke up with Peter in Zeb’s run for the exact same reasons that Shay does here: he was depressed most of the time, unreliable, unfocused, unemployed and felt more like a project than an actual Boyfriend.
So once again, nothing really changes and Peter either learns nothing at all or relearns lessons that he should already know at his age
No Felicia broke up with him because she felt like they were just settling for each other. When Tombstone daughter told her stuff like how Randy is always on her about committing crimes trying to get her to quit was a sign that he truly cares and loves her, which got Felicia thinking how since she and Peter got back together he hasn't once got on her about stealing. It got her questioning about whether or not they were both really into this. Even if they do love each other it just wasn't the right time to be together.
@ like I said, she told him that she wanted a relationship, not a project. He couldn’t be emotionally invest in the relationship because his own life was a mess due to the mentioned issues. “ I don’t want a project “ equals “ get your act together “. Felicia was carrying him the entire time they were together last time
Honestly I’m getting tired of seeing Peter being miserable and pathetic 24/7.
I just miss him being hopeful, getting his life balanced, and actually win a fight without help from others and how smart and clever he is, while being funny again.
Great work on the review.
I'm tired, boss...
Black Cat being Pete Rebound girl. How sad that they reduced her to this now in spidey stories
Right? Like, I’m all for Pete and Felicia giving it another go if MJ comes with so many editorial strings attached, but not like this. Genuinely, I think she deserves an apology from Pete after this.
In all honesty, I think it’s kind of gross how Marvel has been treating a lot of of the women in the Spider-Man book. They seem like they’re so disposable and they don’t actually make an attempt to make them feel like real people.
She's basically DC's Catwoman in all but name
@@matthewschmitt9805that alone tells you how Marvel higher-ups are like, i.e not married
It seems like Joe Kelly is laser focused on Black Cat being with Spider-man
@@robertcorr6971 Ireland wrote this issue but yeah I got the same feeling
Just when you think spiderman can't be more of a joke, he trips over himself
Black Cat must have that magic touch cuz every time Peter’s in a rut she’s been there for the past three runs picking him back up and hopping
lol she really loves that Parker boy
You know you messed up when even the black cat fans are mad She's kissing peter, Felicia for years and said she doesn't want to be Peter's rebound girl and they keep making her do it
There are many girls who are much better in every sense of the word than Mary Jane Watson. The main thing is that there are many such women, namely Morrigan, Gwen Stacy (Spider-Woman), Felicia Hardy (Black Cat) and Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel). So Peter Parker has a lot of girls to choose from to become his beloved wife for life!
Peter Parker, at this point, is just the Marvel comics whipping boy they aren't allowed to finally kill off no matter how much I "know" they really want to.
This isn't Peter Parker, this is Deter Darker this not my Spiderman
An angle I really wish they would have gone with this is Peter after a breaking event just keeps showing up and fighting crime. Showing up to the trials and winning. He does talk to anyone or banter. He just shows up and wins. A villain shows up unrelated to the event and he just houses them in short order. Call back to that weird island mini where he was breifly without emotions and was terrifying.
Just have the attacking baddies getting increasingly spooked because mind tricks have stopped working at all. Then they just freakin' totally recoil in horror when they figure out he's been catonic for several trials and he's just been owning everyone on auto-pilot.
He's just instinctively Spidermaning.
Having Peter hooking back up with Felicia right after a recent break up. It feels like we're repeating the same mistakes.
The given reasons why it didn't work out last time were things like "She broke up with because he wasn't toxic enough" or "he wasn't over Maryjane", but in truth what happened is actually obvious and they say it themselves "We're just going through the motions."
There was no real development in their relationship last time, and I believe that's because Wells and editorial had them get together only just because they needed Peter to have a love interest. Not to see it develop into anything with staying power but just so he can have a girl on his arm and nothing more. Now here we are seeing them make the same mistake.
Imma head out.
Maybe after all of this, Cyttorak will see Spider-Man and the X-Men fighting his Cyrons, and he is interested in it, and he reestablishes his deal with Dr. Strange that every year, a champion will face his children, but instead of it just being Dr. Strange like the last times, it will be a new champion every year that challenges his children, like one year Dr. Strange faces him, then another year Hulk faces them, then another year Wolverine or Wolverine Laura Kinney faces them, then another year Magik faces them, then another year Cyclopse faces them, then another year Iron Man faces them, and it goes like that to where multiple heroes take on Cyttorak's children.
Nope. During all this, Spidey will DIE and then be resurrected as Cyttorak's champion!! As for who will be fighting him annually, Marvel's Solicits have not revealed WHO it will be!!!
Also marvel ITS TIME FOR PETER PARKER TO GROW UP.
How is that going to help when he he he have to die and he just went and saw all his friends and stuff die in front of him over and over. That would fuck anybody up except someone like Logan or thor. But you had to be not normal in the head too. Not come out from that okay. He's not like the m c from rezero.
The only way for him to even get over this for him, too. Forget all of this and everybody else
Marvel editorial: NEVER!😂😂😂😂
I wish they kept Ben as spider-man and let Peter & MJ have their happy life raising Mayday.
Marvel: NO! then he's not relatable to kids and younger readerss, who are the MAJORITY of the his fan base!!
I kinda don’t like the idea of Pete being depressed and then kissing Black Cat especially if it’s not a long term plan so it just feels like he got in his feelings texted his ex and has to wake up with the consequences
There need to be regulations on how depressed writers can make Peter Parker
Comparing Peter Parker's love life to Scott Pilgrims is a very accurate thing i never knew i needed to hear or see.
The death of Spider-Boy will cheer him up
I don't blame Shay for leaving Peter at this point, like he keeps missing out on their dates and gives the worst possible excuse. Even then, she still gave him another chance and what does he do ? He ghosted her for another 2 weeks not knowing what happened.
Like the character Shay has not been very deep but it's been established she is an overall well rounded person who needs someone can depend on with what little panel time we are given.
But the story treats her like an afterthought, that can leave a lot of fans alienated from the new love interest in Peter's life.
Peter's life is a chaotic mess, I still wonder why he refuses to not tell his friends and loved ones he Is spider man like miles. We've been already shown secrets in a relationship poisons the relationship and peter should have learned that by now.
6:07 its not exactly a rebound as she is more less flirty abd try to help. i dooubt they will be back together. As peter and shay its implied for preview the relaunch they are together in an apartment.
No, no, NO!!!! WTF is all of this?!? I'm so sick of EVERYTHING they're doing with Spider-Man!! Why is this garbage being greenlit!? WHY ISN'T THE CURRENT EDITORIAL NOT FIRED YET?!?
I’ll give this a look when it hits Marvel Unlimited
I just hope this means we could see Felicia and Peter get back together, even if it's just for a little while.
Anytime you can throw a Kansas lyric into a review I’m here for it.😊
Batman: “Let me guess a cosmic being had shown a tragedy and death loop. And that everything you’re doing is meaningless and then you go back to your ex lover for comfort in your darkest hour.”
Spider-man: “Yeah has this ever happened to you before?”
Batman: “Yep, welcome to my world.”
Heh. But yes, this
Peter Parker the not so amazing sad man.
So gross to introduce Black Cat to the story this way. Really weird stuff. When Peter's back to normal for issue 1, I wonder if she'll just up and vanish.
So Spider-Man's Depression is contagious? I guess that's why he's my favorite.
Because kids and teenagers can RELATE to him
i see nothing changing for peter unless somebody comes from high to make changes
Peter Parker died in doc ock’s body and this is just a reconfiguration of him formed from otto’s subconscious.
Beat take i’ve seen so far
Or even better. Ben reilly is the REAL Peter and the current Peter is the Clone running around as him
I feel ya on the relationship part. For peter to just break up with his gf, then to just hook up with black cat on the rebound just bums me out.
Zeb wells run completely killed any hopes I had for the future of my favorite comic character. New ultimate run meanwhile burried it for good
Wait do you dislike ultimate Spider-Man or like it? And are you saying that in the sense of you have a new carnation of the spiderman character to have hope for
@ajayxerx1511 I almost hate it. The writing and the actual narrative are atrocious and this garbage only gets glazed cause its better than wells run in the actual content (it's still worse than basically any other SM run ever)
@@tabkg5802awful take
Yup. USM as fast as I'm concerned, is the REAL PETER
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw happy for you but I wasn't praising usm
3:53 you forgot Paul and Rekrap.😂😂😂😂😂
I knew it, I Flippin knew it! I knew not to give any hope to this book. I’m so sorry Joel, you go through this book for us. I’m a be honest if you just dropped the amazing Spider-Man just focused on the other books. I would totally understand.
The 8ths more or less reuse the Circle of Heroism. heroes quest and face a change. the reason it feels the same is due to common tropes be used.
Agreed, Joel, this was a very nihilistic, depressing issue of ASM. Which makes you not to want continue reading it anymore and just stick to USM, the best version of Spidey to date, bar NONE!
Honestly I think my favorite part of this issue was-
Aunt May is still Alive?!
I don’t know the canon status of May Parker
@@thenewrobin1913 yes. I assume you haven’t read spider-man in some time. She doesn’t appear as frequently in the books today as she did when she was married to Jonah’s father during Dan Slott’s run/ superior Spider-Man though
@ I thought she was dead. Maybe I was thinking of Ultimate universe.
To be honest I follow the X-Men more than Spider-Man.
@ ah, okay. Yes, she is dead in the current ultimate Spider-Man book by Jonathan Hickman
@@Dhampir101980 thank you for helping me understand
I gotta agree with you after this review, three issues of straight up nihilism is too much. I was really enjoying it up until then, especially with current events in America right now. This book REALLY hasn't helped my mood.
I think u might be missing the point with black cat. They have a tocix relationship, this why it never works out but she does care about him so it makes sense that he would go to her out of anybody he is close to. I get where ur coming from but I think it's a lil deeperthan that and I'm with u with not doing this "sad spidey" ish again! It's getting old
Nice cover art if nothing else!
At least this book is actually about Spider-Man
Nah, more like depressed sad sack Peter! There is NO Spider-man here!
No Joel we can’t have any else marvel editorial has only 10 ideas on repeat that no one likes.
How does Peter even have Friends, much less able to continue to get girlfriends?
Exactly. It's not realistic at all when you think about it deeply
I think Spidey is depressed because he has never addressed the tragic losses in his life. His recent battles only highlighted this.
Sigh* why the ceo of marvel comics not serious looking into this problem this comic been having for a while we need change big time!
Because the CEO doesn't care as long as it's selling. I mean it's probably the CEO (along with editorial) that's keeping Spider-Man like this.
@ you think because he’s owned by Sony? Like when they cancelled f4 and tried to make the inhumans the new x-men back when they was owned by fox?
@baggin. It has nothing to do with Sony, and has everything to do with marvels stance on Spider-Man since one more day.
@@baggin.Yes
It's going to be VERY jarring to go from this to the typical Spider Man . Do you think he gets mind wiped?
Possibly. I mean, he will DIE and become Cyttorak's servant in the middle and end of this arc as the Solicits revealed it
@@keitarousegawa doubtful. Most likely, Peter will just “ grow” from this adventure and realize that Depression doesn’t have to run his life. I mean, Shay, Felicia and now even Spider-Boy have said those exact words to him for several issues, so it’s safe to assume that that is the lesson for him learn( yet again). It’ll probably take someone to get hurt due to his apathy to bring him to his senses.
Okay, legit I need a series where Pete is on anti-depressants now. But then again, can he afford them in the US?
But also, I still remember when Cat said no to Peter in Wells’ run. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT?!
@@MarvJohnnyEditorial forgot about it
Im tired of this series im just damn tired for now on i get my spidey fix by both cody ziglar and johnny hickman. Im done im done IM DONE.
Me too. To me, USM is the REAL Peter and the one we se in the 616 is the Clone that made a deal with the devil
You know maybe I miss it but him and Shay didn't really break up so he's a cheater too damn Pete while Ultimate Peter is fighting for his life and family in ultimate savage the main universe Peter needs to get his ding dong wet but he sad 😂 again Joel you are the real MVP to review Amazing Spider-Man I would've quit like I did the book years ago
What happened to 616 Peter Parker Spider Man dude….this is just trash
Spider-Man has been so bad that I don’t wven watch your recaps anymore. With that what is going on in this new series? Why exactly is Peter a Science guy the Champion of Magic?
Editorial is the one who decided that
Didn’t she break up with Peter cuz he was depress in the first place at king pins daughters bachelorette party?
No. She broke up with him because she can tell Peter's not over MJ despite her now being with another man (Paul)
so Spider Man comics still suck? 😞
@@Faktor13 ultimate Spider-Man by Jonathan Hickman is great. Read that instead
Yes, just ASM
@@Dhampir101980and Spectacular Spider-MEN
They have completely destroyed peter Parker Spider-Man character to the point he’s a cheater congratulations marvel you ruined a great character for garbage.
He’s not cheating on anyone. He and Shay have broken up, and MJ is with Paul
@@Dhampir101980problem we know in the solicitations he’s and stupid shay are going to get back together meaning they didn’t break up by the end of this awful story.
@ that may be, but for the time being, they are broken up. So technically, Peter isn’t cheating at all
@@Dhampir101980personally for me I don’t give a damn about Shay I just want her gone forever the same way I want Paul gone too, and just let Peter Parker Spider-Man and Mary Jane remember everything they lost and have their daughter mayday Parker spider-girl finally exist on the mainstream marvel universe but that’s just my opinion.
Dude every spiderman fan want that it's just a matter of time for the two of them to find their way back to each other just hope the new writers fix this and don't ruin it any more. It seems that there is little hope, but we still cling to it because everything is changeable ^_^❤@@TevyaSmolka
At least Cyra's doubts and curiosity are making this latest sadsack arc a little more interesting than it might be.
Imagine if it's Cain who snaps Pete out of his funk. I can't see how the Spidernaut comes out of this otherwise (edit: in a satisfying manner, Pete "winning" and getting the powers is how it'll go, I know...)
Marvel has confirmed they will NEVER put MJ and Peter back together again (at least until this current generation of higher ups die or leave the company) and Shay proved to be a complete waste of time. Just pair him up with Black Cat permanently then, or have him and Spider-Gwen hook up, it would actually be something interesting they can do with her, since she’s floundering on her own.