The reason NO ONE buys GARDEN TRACTORS anymore!!!
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Brett and I discuss the reasons that no one is buying garden tractors anymore! #gardentractor #society #change
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I was pricing tractors a while back, a fully loaded Deere X700 series was more expensive than a Deere 1 Series. Also the compact utility tractor can run more attachments, for me it's a no-brainer.
Yup. And most garden tractors just wernt suitable for doing loader work for example. Of course you do see loaders on them. Often homemade loaders, but the lift capacity was what, only 2-300 lbs if that? That’s all the tractors axles could handle. So start making them bigger and you can increase that lift capacity by double or even more. Plus having a rear PTO on the machines for homesteads was game changing.
I just acquired a 1025R and it’s significant bigger than my Deere 425. And the 425 was no lightweight, and did have rear PTO, 3pt and front loader options, but the capacity just wasn’t there for doing bigger jobs.
Makes sense
In the early 70,s I worked for a man who owned Boydville.A home in town on 13 ac.He had a new Case hydrostat and a Farmall cub.You already know which one I used.The farmall cub.
I have 2 tractors, a Gilson GT18HE and an Ingersoll 448, admittedly it's tough to keep just those 2 going all the time, and it would be easier to just buy a new mower. I like tinkering with these old behemoths, and appreciate the versatility that true garden tractors afford, like 3 point attachments, sleeve hitches, plows, blowers, real pulling power, etc. Most of that could not be offered by a single modern lawn mower.
I agree 👍
For me when my dad purchased a Joh Deere 140 it was the best tractor I had ever operated. The ease to change it from a deck to a snowblower…. It had 3 point hitch so we had acc. For the back as well. My grandpa lived on a farm on a big hill 1/2 mile down the road and when he couldn’t get down the driveway with a tractor with a blade on the back plowing snow I drove up it with the 140. My son has two 140’s to this day and still uses them. Probably one of the best garden tractors ever made. They made some really great tractors in the 1960-1970 years…. Not to be confused with lawn tractors….
Definitely a great tractor. Cool story Steve. Thanks for sharing 🙏
Thanks for this video. I recently picked up a 1968 CASE 155 and got it running again. I just love that little machine.
You definitely did an outstanding job on the editing! When we filmed this, I knew it had the potential to be good, but this is truly outstanding, can’t wait to make more!
Thank you son 🥰
My uncle had a fairly big property and he bought a Cub Cadet with the hydrostatic drive brand new. If I remember right I think it was the late 1960's. It lasted the rest of his life, so about 40 years.
Wow imagine being able to buy something today that would last that long
I bet he enjoyed the heck out of that machine.
The IH Cub Cadet built them tough back then. Now, I pass on them. Back in the early eighties, I bought a 20 year old 70 model cadet with a broken rod. I overhauled it, and used it until 96 when I moved. I paid $25 for it and sold it for $400.
For rural property owners you really need two machines, a zero turn for mowing and a compact tractor with FEL for everything else.
You don't need a zero turn for Christ sake. Just another 10k toy, a 25 HP tractor would be enough if you have a lot of acreage, just get a larger mower
@@benjaminwright180710k? Dude I have a Scag Turf Tiger and I paid 5 for it
In 2024 that’s a pretty common combo for sure 👍
@@benjaminwright1807 this was my thinking when I bought my tractor, I did not want another engine to maintain so figured I would just get a mower for the tractor. I could not stand it and bought a zero turn after one season. Having to take the loader and whatever other implements off, then installing the mower deck, then having to do it all over again in reverse when I was done was a lot of work to do each time I wanted to mow the grass, I tried mowing with the loader on but that was a thoroughly unpleasant experience. Plus with the amount of engine hanging over the front of the deck it's really hard to get into those tight places and I found myself having to do a lot of trimming afterwards. You really can't beat a zero turn for mowing. That being said some of the newer tractors with drive over decks and quick attach loaders and what not would make it much easier but old girls like mine really don't make very efficient lawn mowers.
If you have a lot of trees then a zero turn if on trees mow rake and bale it! I can not believe the amount of people that have two to four acre yards😵😵😵
Great video! I was just contemplating this the other day. I think with the popularity of the ATVs and zero turn mowers these were phased out. Also our suburban lot sizes have shrunk substantially reducing to need for such heavy equipment
Yeah, all good points 👍
This Is Truly OUTSTANDING Informative Video and Father and Son Team Work 👌😇👍 Cheers 🍻🍻
Thank you sir 🙏
Great video! I have a 40+ year old Snapper 1855 for nostalgia purposes but a sub compact tractor with FEL and other attachments for practical purposes.
Thank you 🙏
Love the channel guys keep up the good work I love cutting wood and old iron have a 60s round fender John Deere a 48 cub and a newer kubota b series also a fan of the Bauer tool line !
Very cool. Lots of similarities 👍
I have a 4 wheel Simplicity tractor with a lawnmower and snowblower very handy.
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One reason why is people can't afford new ones. The older ones (I have my dad's old Suburban SS12) are either rusted junk heaps or bought up by collectors to sit in a shed, only to be sold for a lot of cash if they ever are. Cost is an entry barrier, as is land. More people don't have access to land to grow a garden or keep/maintain their equipment. Def more true the closer to suburban areas you get.
Even the 1968 Case Garden tractors were really the purchased Colt company designs. I think the Japanese tractors being imported was simply the world market awakening. Americans discovered that someone else was doing tractors better for a particular purpose and choosing that - as opposed to an “invasion”.
Lol. You’re probably right. 👍
Great information, Case and Brett! A 12 page paper on garden tractors would be the only subject that would keep my interest while writing, not controversial bologna they make you write about in school. Moving on from my rant, I certainly think that the fall of authentic garden tractors is all about the money. Manufacturing corporations want you to buy their product every few years. Back in the day, companies were proud to offer a machine that would last a lifetime. I like to call the late 1940s to early 1980s time period "the garden tractor era." What do you guys think of my coined term? Cheers!
Great term Gan. I agree, money ruins a lot of things.
It's pretty easy to slap together a motor and a belt driven powertrain but a diesel engine and integral transmission and drive axles in cast iron is a bit harder and requires more thought and design. Live PTO is another step up. A B/S or Kohler doesn't cut it.
I got a PowerMax9020 with a FEL and dozer, WH 414-8 and WH GT-14....all great toys to play with and restore. I cut grass with 414-8. Picked up a Kubota B7400 last year though to do real grunt work; move mulch around and grade. You should make some restoration videos..
Maybe some day 👍
I miss my ole, 20hp Sunstar. It was an '86 with the Magnum. Tons of power.
They are true brutes 💪🏻 🚜
Nice looking riggs Guy's ! Terrif comes to mind at 5:25 .
The first Japanese tractor I remember was a Yanmar back in the early 1980's ...... Lime green 4 wheel drive with a front loader and rear mounted box blade .. What more could a 12 year old boy want ? LOL
Tariff*... and yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.
Yes, that’s the word I was looking for. Thank you 👍 It’s funny how the tractors we see as young men stick with us in our minds all these years later
My dad had an old sears suburban when i was a kid. That thing was made to work. He sold it before we moved south.
I ended up buying a late 80's ford 1210 and i do all the yard work (besides mowing) with the ford.
My last video before this was on the old Sears line 👍
@@BuildALotAcres oh sweet! I'll go watch it!
You hit the point right on the bullseye. Garden tractors are definitely not what the once were or non-existent. I remember my grandfather had an 8 hp simplicity tractor that he used to mow, rototill the garden, and snow removal with a front blade in the winter with. Now a days, you have to have 20 plus h.p. machines just to be able to do all of this and more, compared to the 1940s to the 1980s units that used to be out, and ou last a lot of the current units of the modern day. It's a real shame everything doesn't last like it used too.
I agree. There's no money in building a lifetime machine. Everything is about the almighty buck 😠
With respect Sir I believe the Phrase you were looking for is 'Import Tariff' :)
Yes it is. Thank you 🙏
Great job I just bought 5 acres and was curious what happened to garden tractors.
Now you know 😁
I have vintage cub cadets I love them all
I have a Cub Cadet history video in the queue 👍
as a kid we had a ? 1978 Massey 1200 still amazed a tractor that small had a mechanical rear PTO .. that was a tank
it was replaced by commercial walk behinds that cut the time in half ...
Great memories no doubt 👍
fathers are smart .... kid ...go drive this around the yard & cut the grass lol
as a kid its like OH Can I Please @@BuildALotAcres
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@@user-kg4eb7nl5b Lol. They knew all the tricks. Bet you can’t split that hunk of wood with this axe
Good one. 👍🏻👋
🙏 Thank you sir
We have two cub cadets that still get used. Late 60s and late 70s
Very cool 👍
One thing that’s missed in this video is prices of a garden tractor vs the small Asian diesel compact tractors. Also look at the prices of the cheaper mass produced new mowers. They’ve all doubled in the last 5-6 years. And the quality sure didn’t go up, nor did the longevity. But the greed sure went up from MTD. Honestly for what they cost now, I’d expect a real metal painted hood, and a real diesel engine instead of a cheap mass produced gas engine from B&S, that blows up in a couple years.
Yeah, everything has doubled in the last 4 years. Another topic altogether 😉
I still use my John Deere 325 , 30 year old garden tractor built very heavy runs like new.
Built to last 👍
The audio sucks.
If they would just have a PTO on the "Garden Tractors" that would be a plus. You could hook up a generator, air compressor, hydraulics. There's nothing in between a riding mower and farm tractor.
I disagree , a riding mower can’t do things a garden tractor can do, they can still have a 3 point hitch and move earth , plow, box blade , disc , tillers, sickle bar mower. Sears suburbans have 100 implements like air compressor and generator. John Deere’s garden tractors have hydraulic attachments. Riding mower just cuts grass, and only weigh 200-300 pounds garden tractors are like 800-1200. But definitely not compared to a regular tractor one of those blows it out of the water.
@@urbanitesgarage3299 That's my point. Just looking for something in between. The riding Mowers/Tractors are 26 HP.
Sorry you didn’t enjoy the video. I do the best I can with my limited equipment and budget. In a perfect world I’d have a sound room and a professional video person.
@@BuildALotAcres Just feedback on the audio. The video is fine. You're in a hollow room so you get echo.
Play it back.
I'm interested in that topic. Outside a Bobcat, there's nothing in between. I think there's a market for something there.
Cub cadet offered a generator for their line. Just remove the deck, install the generator on the sub frame, connect the belt and you were up and running under five minutes.
I have a Kubota L1500 but it’s to broken and run down to be used.
Ingersoll Co (Eastman) is for sale now
I was under the impression they sold off all the remaining Ingersoll product in trailers a number of years ago
Here in Australia lawn tractors are not needed as the average house block now is less than 600m2
That stinks. I couldn’t live that congested
@@BuildALotAcres yeah I agree, the average price for one of these pidgeon boxes is over $900000 now
@@horsehead8306 😯
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I think the word you were trying to say was tariff. They had tariffs on the small tractors in place to protect the garden tractor market.
Yes sir, that was the word 🙏
The rise of Zero Turn, FEL subcompact tractors, and the Steiner and Ventrac subcompact tractors marked the demise of the Garden tractor. Much like the diesel locomotives replacing the steam locomotives.
All great points 👍
Were I live the super a is the one must people want
Popular where I’m at as well.
I don’t understand, there are a lot of garden tractors available or basically lawnmowers with rear PTO and essentially the small Kabota and Mahindra and John Deere compact tractors are essentially a glorified garden tractor and John Deere has been making them for decades and always had them? Maybe I’m missing something in your description but a lot of people are buying them, I moved out to the country about 20 years ago and they’re everywhere. Maybe I’m missing what you mean by garden tractor? I’ve got a zero turn now but I’ve also got a John Deere L1 30 that I’ve had for 20 years, the hour meter broke at about 400 hours and that was a decade ago. I’m not trying to argue, but what do you mean by garden tractor that nobody buys anymore because almost every major manufacturer has small lawnmowers and options with rear PTOs and pretty small compact tractors?
Lawn tractors are not the same as garden tractors, and garden tractors are not the same as sub compacts. The junk you see sold at the big box stores aren’t garden tractors. To the average person they may all seem the same, but they are not
Allis Chalmers 720 was the king when it came to garden tractors
I did a video on the Powermax tractors, one on the heaviest garden tractor ever made, and one on The Biggest, Baddest garden tractors ever made! I agree, they are monsters 👹
@@BuildALotAcres you were correct.
Nobody offered what that series of tractors had as standard features. But they were expensive
@@RJ1999x I hope to get my 9020 up and running soon 👍
@@BuildALotAcres you will love it.
I have a 620 and 720 Allis Chalmers, one diesel, and one has a 30 HP efi twin cylinder
Zero turn mowers are faster and easier to maneuver. I think that has a lot to do with it
I have to admit, for strictly mowing, I really do enjoy my Ariens Ikon. For all other chores, a true GT is hard to beat.
Only problem with residential zero turns is that they are not designed to tow very much weight and you can't add the attachments that the garden tractors can. Even commercial zero turns also have their limitations.
Cost and effectiveness,neet little toys though.
Nothings cheap nowadays 🫨
Now days they want front loader must garden tracters did not have one
The best garden tractor was a super A farmall
B
Cub
People don't buy garden tractors anymore, because they don't make them any more. I sold all the 3000 series Cub Cadet Garden tractors I could get my hands on. They dropped the line. I was furious at the Cub Cadet rep. If you want a five foot deck and a snow blower, tiller, too bad. Get two machines.
Sad but true 😔
Cause very frw people garden anymore!
i think it was the chicken tax
It was definitely sumtin 🤠
There to expensive and if you do need a tractor its cheaper picking up real tractor second hand and having the extra weight power and so on
Great video. 1 small suggestion, Im hard of hearing. Throughout most of your video, all I hear are mumbles and echoes. Perhaps it's time to invest in some personal microphones?
I bought some Rode microphones awhile back, but they won’t connect to my phone. I do all my filming, editing, uploading etc, on my phone.
@@BuildALotAcres I get it, I do; it just makes it difficult to hear for some of us over-the-hill gang. Thanks for the reply.
Because they coast more than real tractors now.
Why buy one when you can have something like a 8N?
Depends on the person i think. Lots of people don't want real tractors. They just want to mow grass with minimal tinkering.
@@BuildALotAcres This might be true. But old tractors like a Ford 9N is not more complex than a IH Cub Cadet, other than the water cooling system and three more cylinders. Just bigger parts but they are cheap because so many were made.
Please do not get me wrong, I love these little yard tractors. But so many people have 50 of them filling up their yard, it has driven up the price.
The 2N,8N,9N ETC are cheaper and have more power and attachments. So this is what I use for now.
Maybe some day I will find a good price on a little yard tractor that has not been sitting next to 30 other ones just to rust away in a back yard.
Heck, I would not even mind so much, If guys would find a good dry place to cover them up. So they do not rust away why they are being horded. 😁😂
@@ironwoodworkman4917 one of my biggest pet peeves is people leaving stuff uncovered outdoors. I always park them under cover 👍
@@BuildALotAcres Good Man 👍😁
Don't buy anything but garden tractors. JD 430 & 455 being used daily
Very cool 👍
We need JD900HC tractors...ain't gonna happen!
I wish high ground clearance 2wd gardening specialists were offered new today with modest pricetags.
Will never hire a lawn service. They do a terrible job. Not worth the money.
I agree. I see them all over the place, scalping lawns, clippings everywhere, always in a rush