1999 Honda Cr 125 vs 1990 Honda Cr 125 (YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS RACE!!!)

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  • @2vintage
    @2vintage  4 роки тому +13

    So who predicted the outcome of the race correctly??!! Let me know.
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    • @backwheelbandits2.0
      @backwheelbandits2.0 4 роки тому +1

      Keep up the grind man 👊

    • @dwaynecluett8220
      @dwaynecluett8220 4 роки тому +1

      Clutch is slipping on the 1990. All the older 125s were all 6 speeds.

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +3

      Chuck be honest you were sand bagging just to maintain little brother status!

    • @kevinAuman1
      @kevinAuman1 4 роки тому

      Hey brother, go and checkout "DARKSIDE STUDIOS" they make some pretty badass, very thick graphics kits for most anything offroad

    • @blackisback74
      @blackisback74 4 роки тому

      @@dwaynecluett8220 my 1989 is only a 5 speed but as fast as lightning

  • @ace_moto6909
    @ace_moto6909 4 роки тому +66

    Yes your clutch is definitely slipping, when u shift it sounds like an automatic

    • @imdunna2463
      @imdunna2463 3 роки тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing I came straight to the comments

  • @bryantucker6725
    @bryantucker6725 4 роки тому +102

    Sounds like ur clutch’s isn’t grabbing all the way

    • @S400K177
      @S400K177 Рік тому

      That and the fact the gearing is all off by a mine. My mate had the same year and model as this and was lightning fast compared to this. The give away is the bike sounding like its in the same gear all the way through :-/

    • @jeremykerrins7344
      @jeremykerrins7344 Місяць тому

      Need to losen the lever adjustment or clutch is gone

  • @connorschooling5375
    @connorschooling5375 4 роки тому +42

    Clutch slipping like mad! How do you not realise

  • @pybson1278
    @pybson1278 4 роки тому +44

    clutch RIP [*]

  • @kuntrybruh296
    @kuntrybruh296 4 роки тому +50

    I’m looking for the fellow named WD-40 Everything

    • @skyb8687
      @skyb8687 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah that dude rules! Shout out to wd 40 everything 🙌

    • @skyb8687
      @skyb8687 4 роки тому +1

      @Tom Bateman what up Tom Bateman, how you doing today bro,thanks for the 3 thumbs up

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +4

      @KuntryBruh WD-40 Everything is in da house! What do you need bud?

    • @jordanmoore4159
      @jordanmoore4159 4 роки тому +3

      @@wd-40everything65 No, heroin

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +2

      Woah J M you lookin to get a feller thrown in jail? No Dope Here!

  • @ThingsWithMotors
    @ThingsWithMotors 4 роки тому +21

    “I don’t think my clutch is slipping I think I just have short gears” LOL what? How clueless can somebody be? 🤣

    • @PaavolanSigma
      @PaavolanSigma 2 роки тому +1

      Sounds like a 2stroke 50cc scooter💀 it really is slipping that bad

  • @athomerecordschannel
    @athomerecordschannel 4 роки тому +23

    I called it the very first day you purchased it. I loved racing those 1986 tru 1990 Honda CR125's with the 1988 thru 1990 being my favorite years (1990 was when they switched over to that Cylinder). No matter what you do the the 1998 and newer Honda CR125's they will never get faster than the 1990 thru 1997 Honda CR125's with the same mods.. It is because when they switched over to the Aluminum Frame they choked the motor with the Airbox Design and nothing you can do to fix it. Ignition curve on the 1998 and newer Honda CR125's is way off too and if you over port them they will pop on Top End and cut out at Rev's. That 1990 Honda CR125 works well with Pro Circuit Porting and Pipe or just with a FMF Gold Series Pipe (the Standard one) and Boyesen Rad Valve with 13/51 gearing.

    • @neal24v29
      @neal24v29 4 роки тому

      athomerecordschannel false, the best ignition they ever had was 01

    • @athomerecordschannel
      @athomerecordschannel 4 роки тому +1

      @@neal24v29 On the 125? Yeah, If you say so.

    • @blackisback74
      @blackisback74 4 роки тому

      I just bought a 1989 and I was told that the 1986, 1987 models were some of the fastest CR125 and then in 1988 they did some type of new design that lost some horse power and performance but then they went back to the 86 design in 1989 but then in 1990 they went to the newer design or some new design but it was with less performance than the 89.
      Thus the 1986, 87 & 89 were the best years for performance, or so I was told. So is that not accurate?

    • @BDauto86
      @BDauto86 4 роки тому

      The late 80s into 90s was great years for 2 stroke bikes. Built And tuned correctly they're very fast and powerful.

  • @keithlucia9415
    @keithlucia9415 4 роки тому +7

    You beat him needing a clutch. Whats that say about chucks bike lol. Fix your stuff man. It woukd be alot more interesting to watch and follow

  • @JT_8283
    @JT_8283 3 роки тому +15

    Nothing beats the sound of a two stroke

  • @Mr410sg
    @Mr410sg 4 роки тому +13

    I feel like the 90 is not hitting powerband completely has a kinda weird sound to me but I’m not sure could be how the 90’s sounded

    • @gager.6590
      @gager.6590 4 роки тому +1

      I agree, the bike sounds flat to me when he gets on the throttle, a lot more potential with it through jetting in my opinion

    • @lukecombs5659
      @lukecombs5659 4 роки тому +3

      Gage R. And that dent in the expansion chamber will also alter the power curve dents that big will change the power curve

    • @gager.6590
      @gager.6590 4 роки тому +3

      Josh Frank no stock exhaust would make the bike flat on the top end, the thing should rev hard as hell before sounding flat and even when it does flatten out it’s much more high pitched like a screaming 2 stroke, with the 90 it almost sounds like a bog

    • @tyberardbike4561
      @tyberardbike4561 4 роки тому +2

      it sounds like his clutch is slipping 100%

    • @matteo_syd7271
      @matteo_syd7271 4 роки тому +1

      @@gager.6590 The fact that it beats the 99 easily with Joe riding it proves that you should just stfu. Thanks.

  • @Atriphiix
    @Atriphiix 4 роки тому +20

    Not a fan of the front restyle kit plastics on the older Honda Cr,s

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 2 роки тому

      I'm still a fan of my 92 Cr125.
      ua-cam.com/video/XVVGgCjX64U/v-deo.html

  • @jodyhakamaki5602
    @jodyhakamaki5602 4 роки тому +3

    Instead of thinking that you are the best rider on this planet please let your Younger brother show you how to shift a motorcycle... By the way he let you win.. If you think you can ride better than him let's see a wheely contest..

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +1

      That would be entertaining and in the early 70s in Europe they had dead starts where the rider had to keep his left hand on his helmet until the starter shot his gun in the air to begin the race. Joel Robert would leave his hand on top of his helmet to the first turn doing a wheelie all the way!

  • @henrykind4544
    @henrykind4544 4 роки тому +4

    I swear I drove past your guys house on my way home from the trap club last night lol

  • @raccoonhuntersc1994
    @raccoonhuntersc1994 4 роки тому +4

    Lol the 90 goes weep instead of braap🤣🤣

  • @JamesSmith-wv3fx
    @JamesSmith-wv3fx 3 місяці тому

    Correct me if im wrong but i get this feeling that your buddy struggles with some level of depression and you seem like a great friend who knows how to get him out of his head. Ive struggled with depression for years and still do but my dirtbike makes me feel so much better when i ride. Not trying to sound crazy but i can sense that your buddy is going through some personal things and i hope yall stick together and continue to ride like yall do.

  • @damianchavez5667
    @damianchavez5667 4 роки тому +12

    U guys should go in a trail ride with both bikes keep up the good content😄

    • @skyb8687
      @skyb8687 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah I agree joe,Joe to up those skills

  • @Builditathome-Restoration
    @Builditathome-Restoration 4 роки тому +8

    Love the videos every time Now Iam going to buy bikes to and make videos i have only 20 subs but i will keep on going ;)

    • @joostjoost3852
      @joostjoost3852 4 роки тому +3

      Cool man you can do it

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +1

      Good content with a bit of humor and subscriber rapport and you will be a winner in no time!

  • @kyleglenn4893
    @kyleglenn4893 4 роки тому +7

    Is the clutch slipping a little bit on the 90 cr is seems to scream straight through the gears a little to fast

  • @felixlamarche8808
    @felixlamarche8808 4 роки тому +5

    Pls do something with that clutch it would be way faster

  • @dublinbikereire
    @dublinbikereire 4 роки тому +8

    Clutch is slipping in the higher gears ⚙️ 👍🏻

  • @James-sir
    @James-sir 4 роки тому +8

    Time for a refresh on Charlie’s bike

  • @wheelietime_
    @wheelietime_ 4 роки тому +5

    Love those bikes dude 👍✌🏻✌🏻

  • @markusza8108
    @markusza8108 4 роки тому

    I just spent the last 2 hours looking for your channel ive last seen ur vids when u where on 2k subs

  • @Ezdubs542
    @Ezdubs542 4 роки тому +4

    Put you're kill switch in between grip and clutch handle.. it will look better..

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +1

      Forget looks it will be easier to get to in a snap or leave it right where it is if you have a 10" long thumb! lol 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @ChickenParm152
    @ChickenParm152 4 роки тому +7

    Joe doesnt understand gearing

  • @roberts2760
    @roberts2760 4 роки тому +3

    hahaha i love the intro

  • @jencas123
    @jencas123 4 роки тому +1

    Not to be rude or anything but I don’t think Iv seen a single *bike/toy *on this channel that has ran right.

  • @tibiriuscromwell8918
    @tibiriuscromwell8918 4 роки тому +3

    To see two brothers enjoying each others company is worth any video. Both bikes "Kill". I see Charlie dyed his hair again . Looks better. Yes, they do sound like two Bees fighting. lol
    Great video. Keep them coming, Guys. My boys love you two. They keep looking for the next video. Stay well and safe.

  • @chancellorboyle3142
    @chancellorboyle3142 4 роки тому +4

    Dude you are redlining it way to much man your gonna blow it up💥 btw love your channel ben a sub since the beginning and you should get a 1981-1983 dr125 there cool bikes and they go fast i have 2

    • @bubaa1218
      @bubaa1218 4 роки тому

      No he’s good it’s a 2 stroke

    • @Heddan1992
      @Heddan1992 4 роки тому

      no his not

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 2 роки тому

      The clutch is slipping.

  • @dylisa
    @dylisa 4 роки тому +4

    Hell yea bro!! Sweet bike that thing ripped

  • @rodeovin
    @rodeovin 4 роки тому +4

    Chuck's bike had the back tire a little bit low, that influences a lot on the speed

  • @bricehale6593
    @bricehale6593 4 роки тому +2

    I got the 89 cr250 its clapped out but runs an drives was a 300$ bike i had 750$ in my 94 cr125 it was pretty nice i miss it but my clean title 800$ 01 yz250f has been my best score yet was a nice deal I couldn't say no to

  • @mattwatkins7333
    @mattwatkins7333 4 роки тому +3

    Your uploading more times than a American series does every week,,,brill lads

  • @kevinrochelle6384
    @kevinrochelle6384 4 роки тому +1

    How did the cr 125 beat the 250 but the yz 250 cant 🤔

  • @ChasingWhitetail32
    @ChasingWhitetail32 4 роки тому +1

    It's definitely not because you have short gears.. you can hear it, somethings not right.

    • @twisted-xh6066
      @twisted-xh6066 4 роки тому +1

      I'm confident saying that the clutch plates are cooked maybe the basket is warped too

  • @Aikenpowersports
    @Aikenpowersports 4 роки тому +3

    Can he not tell his clutch is slipping?😂

  • @bigjunk0451
    @bigjunk0451 4 роки тому +2

    Bro charlie keep ridin like that he gon be real good at scraping that back fender

  • @wd-40everything65
    @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +1

    Here is a video of what these little monsters are capable of and a little history lesson! Open from next reply tab.

  • @that05ktm
    @that05ktm 4 роки тому +6

    First

  • @ace_moto6909
    @ace_moto6909 4 роки тому +3

    Charlie's bike definitely needs a rebuild if a bike that's 9 years older and a really bad clutch beat him

    • @2stroketyson79
      @2stroketyson79 2 роки тому

      Mike Kiedrowski would not like this comment

  • @albertjenkins8121
    @albertjenkins8121 4 роки тому +3

    Think that 1990 needs a new clutch or a good adjustment done for sure! Slippage going on that there bike!

    • @snowfreak207
      @snowfreak207 2 роки тому

      How bad is that to change?

    • @ThAtGuY-u9d
      @ThAtGuY-u9d 2 роки тому +1

      @@snowfreak207 easy job to replace the clutch. Just check basket for wear.

  • @raywalsh5822
    @raywalsh5822 4 роки тому +2

    time for a 250 chuck

  • @jackmtb3098
    @jackmtb3098 4 роки тому +3

    The start of that video was the best there needs to be something like that in every video

  • @patrickdunko8676
    @patrickdunko8676 4 роки тому +6

    Came straight from ig here

  • @kylemurray8840
    @kylemurray8840 4 роки тому +1

    your clutch is slipping so bad

  • @NaneX_YT
    @NaneX_YT 4 роки тому +4

    Charlie stop engine braking

  • @ethanrines3300
    @ethanrines3300 4 роки тому +7

    I love CRs

    • @aitosuomalainen7283
      @aitosuomalainen7283 4 роки тому +1

      I wish Honda would still make 2 strokes

    • @aitosuomalainen7283
      @aitosuomalainen7283 4 роки тому +1

      @Tom Bateman I sold my honda cr 125 1994 to a honda cr 250R 2001, And i LOVE it! Its a blast to ride. And this is my opinion, but i like it more than my friends 2015 250 KTM sx. THATS MY OWN OPINION, dont get mad at me about it.

  • @gokarting1018
    @gokarting1018 4 роки тому +2

    2nt camera angle swarm of bumble bees attacking or engines running?

  • @craigclarke8596
    @craigclarke8596 4 роки тому +5

    Your bike definitely didn’t sound right. I reckon Charlie was holding back to be honest mate, in fact it was blatantly obvious he was

    • @twisted-xh6066
      @twisted-xh6066 4 роки тому +1

      I heard it to! He didn't even tap into the powerband on his bike

    • @paulbrinston3336
      @paulbrinston3336 4 роки тому

      Yep, is is the better rider and he got smoked out of the hole, didn’t make sense bs a bike with a slipping clutch. Plus you see chuck pull to the side then disappear again all while the 90 is clutch slipping hahaha My guess the sandbagging Is for 90 Cr 125 resale purposes, fine show 👌

  • @blackisback74
    @blackisback74 4 роки тому +2

    12:00 to see the race. You're welcome

  • @cambrooks5585
    @cambrooks5585 4 роки тому +3

    Love the content bro your amazing 👏

  • @WheelieFreak
    @WheelieFreak 4 роки тому +1

    That cluch, those gear changes.... cringe.

  • @NaneX_YT
    @NaneX_YT 4 роки тому +4

    Second

  • @lukeshenkle2679
    @lukeshenkle2679 4 роки тому +3

    Love the vids dude keep up the good work!

  • @yeedos61
    @yeedos61 4 роки тому +1

    Well the day arrived and guess what....Joe you whipped Chucks ass !!!!!.Cracking race and those bikes sound fantastic.I often think you have good neighbours !.Canny wait till your next video.Well Done.Chris

  • @budgiemama7698
    @budgiemama7698 2 місяці тому

    Wasn't there a problem with the early 90s cr125s that would cause you to loose a gear in the transmission? And no not lose a gear like it fell out I mean not being able to shift into that gear any longer like you would have to skip over it?

  • @gokarting1018
    @gokarting1018 4 роки тому +2

    1990 needs a clutch bad

  • @speedtv6151
    @speedtv6151 4 роки тому +1

    I have the same bike. Your clutch is definitely slipping and Charlie's bike may need a new top end. His bike should be faster.

  • @budgiemama7698
    @budgiemama7698 2 місяці тому

    Had a 2000 cr125 and a 1986 cr125 hated the way the 86 handled but the motor that thing was quick! The 2000 i loved the way it handled but always seemed underpowered. always wanted to some how put the 86 motor in the 2000 frame
    To me if it were possible it would be a killer on the track.

  • @void_onyx522
    @void_onyx522 4 роки тому +3

    Hey I wanted to be first 😆

  • @lengaming1651
    @lengaming1651 4 роки тому +1

    Clutch is slipping like youre riding a scooter bruh... That oil must smell like crap when you check it

  • @germaineparham9372
    @germaineparham9372 2 роки тому

    So ya cr 98 have work done but still tad bit slower then ya cr 1990 . So ya kx 250 obviously needs work cus ya cr 98 almost won . So take ya cr 1990 vs kx 250 and take ya kx 250 vs ya yz 250

  • @wd-40everything65
    @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +3

    The bike is sounding good you just need to dive into the clutch issues! You are over revving that little motor and need to learn the power curve and how to stay in it! You scored 4 of 5 squirts 💥💥💥💥 on the WD-40 rating scale losing one squirt for pinning it too long and wringing its neck between gears! Still very intertaining though!

    • @twisted-xh6066
      @twisted-xh6066 4 роки тому +2

      Short bursts at wide open.

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому +2

      @Twisted-X H over revving just wastes time and good engines you'll always be faster staying in the power and avoid over revving! It is amazing the abuse these little motors can withstand!

    • @twisted-xh6066
      @twisted-xh6066 4 роки тому +1

      @@wd-40everything65 I can attest to that. I beat my cr 125 hard it put up a good fight towards the end. the majority of the abuse came from hill climbing. Weak bottom end though when you need the extra kick it's not there. Any bike will haul ass on pavement you gotta get it into the sand to see what it truly has

  • @griffithracingteam2412
    @griffithracingteam2412 4 роки тому +1

    Dude please put a clutch in that bike and get the carb tuned a little it'll make a world of difference! Love watching the vids still!

  • @ianmangham4570
    @ianmangham4570 3 роки тому

    You should NEVER pull the clutch in like you do at speed when slowing down, you have no mechanical grip to the road with clutch in. 14:34

  • @timothyjohnston187
    @timothyjohnston187 4 роки тому

    I have a 1991 CR125 motor with a hot rod and vforce 3 reeds ported and polished pro circuit pipe stuffed into a 2004 CR 125 it has torque and top-end

  • @Lee-At-Green-Pheonix-Rc
    @Lee-At-Green-Pheonix-Rc 4 роки тому

    Should sawp the front fenders over hate the the new style like them more curved like on the 99 u have but love the retro style of the old 2smokes put new style fender on the 99 look way better the new style don't look right on the retro bikes

  • @rone8350
    @rone8350 4 роки тому

    Why don’t u homies ever post vids of you rippin trails? Or like a montage or somethin, content needs a bit more spice....

  • @diamondthomas7778
    @diamondthomas7778 4 роки тому +2

    I guess right I know the 1990 Honda was going

  • @marklowther4611
    @marklowther4611 Рік тому

    I have a 89 cr125 it was the fastest production bike in that year but I need to locate a new side case for it mime the water jacket rotted through the case and it doesn't hold water.😂

  • @dealspeed6756
    @dealspeed6756 3 роки тому

    My first bike was a 1989 CR125 yours sounds like its flat on top, maybe jetting? I used to smoke my buddys 95 cr125

  • @grantkozopas8738
    @grantkozopas8738 2 роки тому

    shorter gears??? I can't stop laughing, "made that way for jumping" this clown is hilarious..

  • @codyritchie8236
    @codyritchie8236 4 роки тому

    I don't get how you have had so much toys and still can't shift for dog shit. How does none that shit just blow right up. Talk about rev bombing

  • @a-rod4103
    @a-rod4103 4 роки тому +1

    Millimeter of slack!!!

  • @allanmorton9478
    @allanmorton9478 4 роки тому +3

    The wee think rips m8 well done

  • @gamingzilla187
    @gamingzilla187 2 роки тому

    I just got a cr125r 1990 guy said he rode it and its been in garage for a couple years any suggestions on what i should do first to get it ripping im guessing carb needs cleaned first

  • @glenfrancis3410
    @glenfrancis3410 4 роки тому

    HEY BUDDY I HAVE A 1990 AND PUT A WISECO PISTON AND RING NEVER DRILLED THE HOLES BUT I DIDN'T GET NOTICE WITH THE PISTON THAT I BOUGHT, HEY THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP, AND STILL HAVEN'T STARTED THE BIKE

  • @parkerbrinker390
    @parkerbrinker390 4 роки тому

    Ok I got a 2002 cr 125 v force reeds week only cluch brand new top and bottom end with 30mims on them I wonder if it could win

  • @germaineparham9372
    @germaineparham9372 2 роки тому

    What bout ya slower banshee race ya cr 1990 and ya faster banshee race ya kx or yz 250?

  • @johannesmller3019
    @johannesmller3019 4 роки тому

    I haven't watched your channel for a long time, so i have a question. Is Chuck your brother?

  • @jacobmcmillan816
    @jacobmcmillan816 4 роки тому

    You should get the oem graphics make it look new and put original front number plate and fender

  • @julianr1742
    @julianr1742 3 роки тому

    Chain is loose on that 250 and ur clutch is smoked lol. My 125 is clapped but i would still smoke you

  • @kylereinhard6833
    @kylereinhard6833 4 роки тому +2

    Are you going to sell it?

  • @shart5619
    @shart5619 3 роки тому

    Dude, it's slipping so bad that it doesn't even sound like your making it to the next gear, how do you not notice?

  • @intrepidbiped
    @intrepidbiped 4 роки тому

    Any bike issues aside... you guys should have swapped bikes and raced a few more times.

  • @jasonrutherford1722
    @jasonrutherford1722 2 роки тому

    love chuck nice wheelies brother

  • @Watchdog-jd5pp
    @Watchdog-jd5pp 4 роки тому +1

    Definitely needs new clutch it’s hardly grabbing

  • @snowfreak207
    @snowfreak207 Рік тому

    Hey man can do u kno what parts will fit the 90 off the 97 like the lower link and tank and stuff

  • @gooklogander7
    @gooklogander7 3 роки тому

    How he kicked the 99 over you could tell it literally has no compression. It looked like he kicked a 50cc 2t over

  • @alexmassie361
    @alexmassie361 4 роки тому +2

    Fix that clutch😅👌

  • @ultimatevlogs2894
    @ultimatevlogs2894 4 роки тому +3

    I honestly knew the 1990 cr 125 was gonna win MINT🤟🏽

  • @lukeskywalker3623
    @lukeskywalker3623 4 роки тому +1

    Its suoer hard to watch videos like this when having a cr250 just inpounded

    • @wd-40everything65
      @wd-40everything65 4 роки тому

      @Luke Skywalker what are you doing wasting time on a dirt bike hell I thought you had a spaceship! Let the force be with you!

  • @THatChevyguy91
    @THatChevyguy91 4 роки тому

    when I was 16 I bought a brand new of the show room floor 2006 cr125r and it was a damn rocket of a bike put alot of hours on it and eventually traded it off wish I never did

  • @jeffferguson899
    @jeffferguson899 4 роки тому

    that thing sounds pretty good. Are you keeping it or flipping?

  • @Scott-vz2cl
    @Scott-vz2cl 2 роки тому

    Quick fix for your clutch put a extra metal 1 in, adjust your cable out

  • @joenatoli715
    @joenatoli715 4 роки тому +1

    Wow, amazing race joe, you and Charlie were neck and neck, although I think you might be able to beat him if you get the full power band 😂

  • @MOranstock
    @MOranstock 3 роки тому

    man these things are fast!!! (clutch slipping in every gear)

  • @daniellunsford2708
    @daniellunsford2708 4 роки тому

    Put it in 5th or 6th gear while going slow then pin it an see if it revs up and goes nowhere that how to tell if its slipping or not

  • @jeremiahholmes8972
    @jeremiahholmes8972 3 роки тому

    Those bikes are easily going to hit over 70 I have a little Yz85 that tops at 70