Why Germany Lost the Battle for North Africa (WW2 Documentary)
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The North African campaign of WW2 is one of the most famous ones. The almost mythical story of the British "Desert Rats" defeating Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps. But why did Rommel loose in North Africa?
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The British had broken the Italian and German Naval codes used in the Mediterranean and this enabled the Royal Navy to intercept and destroy the supply convoys that Rommel depended on for reinforcements, weapons, amusement, food, and fuel.
Without adequate logistical support, Rommels campaign ground to a halt.
Rommel was already worn down from 1941 Rats of Tobruk beating him. disgusting USA even claim they are the reson for his defeat when was defeated before this.
USA known for waiting for other's to wear down a enemy before finishing it and claiming the win.
That war
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After the American fiasco in Tunisia in 1943, Rommel was inspecting the American POWs. One of them had a box, inside a cake his mother baked for him. Americans had the logistical power to send a cake from the US to North Africa. According to the legend, Rommel muttered that there was no way Germany could win the war
@@idontthinkso2861 well spottet sherlocke 😄
@@idontthinkso2861 okay?😆
@@idontthinkso2861The true facts. It’s incredible how much of what people think of the war is just regurgitation from the British press of the 1940s.
@@idontthinkso2861 Average? With a German corp he drove an entire British Army across Africa and almost off the continent. The British were only able to defeat him with Ultra and American logistics and supply.
@@TDL-xg5nn almost? Rommel was very far away from total victory in Africa.
Rommel would not be able to do anything without Italian logistics and merchant marine.
Rommel was indeed average, as was shown in Normandy.
The 2 pounder gun used in the Matilda *could* use both armor piercing and high explosive rounds. British quartermasters only issued them armor piercing, though. Because their job was to engage other tanks, so it was felt that giving them a round that couldn't penetrate tank armor was a waste.
Matilda tank crews hated this, because their biggest threat was German antitank guns. Which couldn't be taken out using armor piercing rounds, but were fairly easy to destroy using high explosive rounds
..false , the only anti-tank gun that could penettrate the Matilda A12 was the Flak 88, which far out ranged the 2 pdr that it wouldn't have mattered . British tactical inferiority was due to poor tactics and failure to use combined arms and concentration of force. The British armor, infantry, and artillery would all do their own thing instead of working together. Don't charge anti-tank guns with armor use artillery to suppress it, 2 generations later, the Russians are still making the same mistakes with the same results..
OQF 2pdr guns fired only a solid shot round.
A high explosive round was only developed in 1942, but by October 1942 most Matildas had been lost in action
@@chrisg3517I think there an H E round but it was so bad as to be useless.
2pdr HE would have anemic performance at best anyway. There simply isn't enough volume for sufficient explosive filament.
No. Although a HE shell was available, the bursting charge was so small as to make it almost useless. Actually, the Matilda II was an infantry support, or 'I' tank, rather than a cruiser tank, and the primary role was to operate as part of an Army Tank Brigade in support of infantry, rather than as part of an Armoured Brigade.
In fact, for the 'I' tank role, the Matilda II (CS) tank was better. CS standing for 'close support.' These were armed with three inch howitzers.
His Afrika Corps was completely abandoned by Hitler and OKH when Operation Barbarossa began. I don't think anyone in Berlin realized how crucial the war in North Africa was to the eventual defeat of Italy in 1943, but they certainly would after Sicily when it was far too late.
Absolutely, and they could have won it quickly if they had sent much more much sooner... also, the Italians could have easily taken Malta in June 1940 and completely dropped the ball amd that would have made it all moot and the campaign would have been much easier.
Late to the party, but spot on. The loss of Africa gave Churchill the edge he needed to convince the Allies to attack the "soft underbelly" (Italy) of the Axis powers. The whole war was a clusterfuck. Generals with the heads up their arses and the politicians 'grandstanding'. The only person who knew what he was doing was Stalin.
Well it isn't so much that Rommel was abandoned as it was that the British were consistently braking the German codes and dispatching the Royal Navy to sink his supply ships. The ULTRA code braking remained a secret until 1974, so historians had to find other explanations for Rommel's poor supply situation.
Agree, Malta was the key to secure supply routes.
@@daveweiss5647 Put on your cap of command, and tell us how easily Malta might have fallen. Go.
My Uncle was killed in action at the battle of El Guettar. 9th div, 47th regiment, company B. He was 19 years old. Thank you for your sacrifice Uncle Earl. May you rest in the arms of the Lord of all eternity.
@@gutewasser5900 Patton was right
What Lord?
He died stopping evil scum. May his magnificent soul rest in peace.
He died for our freedoms. It was not in vain
@@TheKeule33 Edgy
When I studied the African campaign some 40 years ago, I had constantly heard about how the Italian units were cowards and lackluster. However, I read one document of an analysis of the Ariete Division's nearly single stand against almost the entire British 8th Army after 2nd El Alamein in order to cover the PAK and XX Corps withdrawal, fighting down to the point where it was assumed the entire division was destroyed (about 4 vehicles, 2 of them tanks, survived and rejoined Rommel west of Benghazi). I had to think, if a single division armed mostly with Semoventi (self-propelled assault guns) and with just 2 companies of M14 tanks (roughly equivalent to the earlier British Cruiser tanks) stood off better than 20:1 odds for almost an entire day, THAT was courageous, not cowardly. My analyses since then have resulted in my view that the primary problem for the RE (Regio Esercito - Royal Army) was 3 fold: 1) Poor Equipment, 2) Poor Leadership, 3) Poor Logistics. There was nothing at all wrong with the Italian soldiers in the field.
Just take in consideration also the Folgore paratroopers division. A desperate resistance in el Qattara depression up to their almost total disappearance
The problem wtth italian that time is Mussolini favor his closest subordinate to become his comander without looking his competance
its like a teacher who favor his smartest Student to run marathon instead his not so smart student but from Gymnastic club
My grandfather said the same thing. The Italians were brave, strong fighters with the command and support lacking.
@@paulmryglod4802 There is a story that says: the italian soldiers were happy to be commanded by Rommel instead of the italian commanders
@@claudiograssi1037 cool to know. Thanks!
Listen.. I've been a fan of Rommel since i was a teenager. I've spent 2 decades reading several books and watching countless videos about his life and military career.
He was an above average commander, able to recognize when oders needed to be disobeyed in order to capitalize on changes happening in real time. His drive through France, his drives through North Africa.. they are undoubtedly impressive.
Its important to note, however, that these impressive drives only occurred against commanders who, often, were unwilling or unable to adapt to a changing battlefield. When he was up against a prepared enemy with competent commanders his successes were greatly diminished.
As others have pointed out, it was in the best interest of Allies (particularly the British) to exaggerate his prowess in order to downplay their own failings and elevate their own victories against him.
Rommel's biggest advantage in North Africa for the largest part of the North African campaign was the information gotten from the interception of the reports filed by US Army Col. Bonner Fellers, the military attache in Cairo. His reports to the US military command were read by Italian and German intelligence and gave them a wealth of tactical and strategic intelligence that greatly influenced Rommel's amazing success. That ended in June-July of 1942 after being discovered by Allied intelligence, with some erroneous information also being distributed. That caused the debacle at Alam el Halfa and led to the British Victory at 2nd Alamein, in spite of Montgomery. Rommel's prescience was more of a result of this information and signals intelligence interception by the organic unit of the Afrika Corps. That drastically was reduced when the unit was virtually wiped out in July of 1942.
Lol he was useless in 1941 and couldn't win against mainly Australian Rats of Tobruk and tried again after knowing those Australian's left to fight Japanese from invading their homeland and you would know this if read his diaries as you so claim.
He was worn down from 1941 and lost a lot of men then and as always USA came in late thinking they did it all when as always someone wears the enemy down before that for them to claim all victory.
"When he was up against a prepared enemy with competent commanders his successes were greatly diminished." - The phrase I often use on this is "Rommel used dash to the wire, its super/not very effective" depending on which commander he was facing at the time. EG in France, super effective, vs the Auk in Operation Crusader, nope.
@@mitchverr9330 I see that you are a man of culture.
I like it lol
@@evananderson1455 Yeah, he is like a pokemon, he had like 2-4 actual tactics and that was it, the main 1 being dash the wire. Whenever he actually had to fight a battle at the level he got promoted to he really couldnt do much more. Very much promoted above his capability imo.
As an Australian I want to add that the stopping at Tobruk for such a long time basically exhausted the Germans and caused their inevitable defeat from their. We call those troops the Rats of Tobruk, outnumbered and outmanned. They dug in and gave it everything for as long as they could.
Edit: they pulled out eventually, they didn’t lose. Then they went to Australia to stop the Japanese invasion with the rest of our troops, and won there as well.
Don't forget, brother, only America won the war. The fact that everyone was suffering from exhaustion means nothing. When you show up fresh and a limitless military supply of men and equipment. Our men did fantastic I too am a very proud Aussie.
@@markinglese3874 we were the first to stop both the Germans and the Japanese advance. We punch much higher than our weight that’s for sure.
@@user-rs9bc4qr2s Absolutely we did and still bloody well do too.
@@markinglese3874Oh, I think the Aussies did, too.
Aussies are a hardcore bunch. That’s known
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Of course the opposite is also true. Allied success against Rommel was dependant on Ultra. If you add to the mix all the supplies that Ultra was responsible for sinking in the Mediterranean, Rommel might very well have taken Egypt.
There is an interesting article (2010) from the BBC's programme From Our Own Correspondent titled "Lethal landmine legacy from battle of El Alamein." As the title states, even today the effects of the battle are still present. Even today people are maimed and killed by land mines in and around the area of the battlefield called "The Devil's Garden."
Before the war, the local men always walked in front, leading the way. Once the minefields were laid and killed a few men, they made the women walk in front.
South East Asia as well.
Can't we just use those mine proof APV To drive over the mines blowing up the mines or did they forget were they put them all ..... Ok just get 600 pedos and force them to run around areas there could be mines can't use anyone useful for that job 😊
Even now, an average of one farmer a year is killed by WW1 ordnance along the Western Front.
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My great grandfather (who was also half german/half british and born in germany but emigrated to the UK before the war) served as a tank driver in the desert rats! There's a video of him marching in front of Churchill after El-Alamein!
Can't believe my great-nan threw away his beret after he passed
It probably didn't fit her ? 😂😂😂
That's a killer. I was given a genuine German Pazershrek bazooka, model 1943 with face shield, by a neighbor, when I was 11 years old. My mother hated it, and started her own campaign to get rid of it. She finally cooked up a phony tag sale, with a couple of other things...and my bazooka, for sale. 5 minutes after we opened, a guy driving by slammed on his brakes, jumped out, and rushed over, buying my precious bazooka for $5.00. My mom has passed away, and I am still mad at her for doing that!
@@freemarketjoe9869 That hurts me just reading that
@@freemarketjoe9869I am sorry for your loss.
I feel you need to acknowledge the strong correlation between Rommel's success and his access to British intelligence. The German's had broken the American codes and were able to monitor reports from the US liaison about British plans. On top of this, Rommel had developed effective signals intelligence and was able to monitor British communication to British units and action the reports faster than the British were themselves. Once these leaks were plugged, denying Rommel access to British intentions, he was far less effective.
Wish I'd read your post before making mine.
Rommel was agreat commander the allied advantages in everything beat him,monty just dithered
Most people tend to perform less effectively without knowing what the enemy is doing.
ULTRA was reading the Wehrmacht's mail on the front in real time. The British weren't comprimised - excuses for Monty not moving. The GIs at the time were not operating anywhere around the 8th Army and didn't know Monty's directives .Look at the massive advantages in men an material. The Afrika Korp had no answer for Complete air supremecy or their own lack of resupply because ULTRA kept the Royal navy and RAF posted on any of their movements and time
The loss of his ability to read US messages was key to his victories and his down fall when he lost that ability.
Great content and presentation.
Another phenomenal video. I really hope you will cover some more of the early-mid war campaigns! Would love some more in-depth coverage of the invasions of Norway and France especially.
It’s actually rubbish. See my comment.
Norway would be amazing!
The Free French of General Marie-Pierre Koenig were also able to give respite to the allies at El-Alamein, by holding the Axis forces for two weeks at Bir-Hakeim.
@tibsky1396 Yes the FFL put up a brilliant fight there
that's Not True After The Germans Overran The Free French At Bir Hakeim they Inflicted a Heavy Defeat Of the British 8th Army At Gazala and Captured Tobruk within 24hours Capturing Tons Of supplies, Ammunition,Trucks and Fuel, and 33k British POWS, El Alamein Didn't Happen Until Like 5 months after Bir Hakeim and Gazala
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- more of a fight they put up for their own country lmao
@@enalb5085not true. They fought as hard as the British and the Russians in the first few months of Barbarossa
@@enalb5085 After the siege of Lille in 1940, the Germans gave the "Honours of War" to the French defenders who held out for multiples days at 1 against 10. This was one of the reasons Operation Dynamo was a strategic success.
Thanks for posting.
Very engaging account, loved the concise, clear style.
I've read a few books on this topic. Its absolutely insane what his corps accomplished with what little he had, and the tl;dr of the eventual defeat was just getting out manned and out produced.
His troops probably on meth…. Just a thought
He accomplished nothing. He was a loser, a poor tactician and a fascist pig.
Another great installment.
This is excellent and very well produced.
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Logistics, logistics and logistics. The army that had the supplies and reinforcements generally had the advantage. Great episode Jessie and company.
IDK if I'd want to intern for you given that outtro. LOL.
A local fellow here in Northern Ontario served with the 8th. His only kit was shorts and a great-coat for the cold nights. You might consider doing a thing on Poopski's Private Army.
Brilliant documentary, excellent viewing.
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One of the most crucial moments in the North African campaign was the rout and regroup of the British 8th Army. Routed by Rommel and having him on their rears, they were given two weeks to regroup and fortify thanks to the 1st Free French Brigade of General Koenig, which held back 35000 Italians and Germans personally led by Rommel, at Bir Hakeim. The respite the British got allowed them to build effective defenses and it'd allow them to eventually win the Second Battle of El Alamein.
exactly, he could have annihilated the 8th british army if the 1st free french brigade didn't held so long, allowing them to refrom the front. And most impressive is that the first free french brigade escape despite being surrounded and heavy outnumbered. this is one of the most impressive battle of this north african campaing;
But Rommel was already stopped by Auchinleck before Monty, reinforcements and new equipment arrived.
Bir Hakeim was part of the Gazala line defences, not the El Alamein defences.
Bir Hakeim not mentioned is foolish
If %100 of the german troops,fighting on the eastern front, had been in north africa,the glorious german army would have scattered the allied troops to million pieces
Rommel was fortunate in the timing of his attacks. When he arrived in Africa in early 1941, a number of British divisions had been withdrawn and sent to shore up Greece. A year later in early 42, troops had been withdrawn and sent to the far east to counter the Japanese advances. Notably a lot of the Australians.. The British also had to deal with other threats in the middle east. Italians in Etheopia, Vichy French in Syria, and pro axis rebels in Iraq. These distractions don't get a lot of attention, but they were all successfully dealt with by the British middle east command.
I would argue the Germans were more distracted than the British, they did have this small country to the east called Russia... Jokes aside, Rommel's only real objective in Africa was to buy time which he did a phenomenal job of, nobody should think of him getting pushed out of Africa as a defeat, he did exactly what he was there to do probably better than any other German officer could have done with the same resources. German command fumbled the Eastern front but Rommel's stalling gave them at least the time to try and win it.
not luck but brilliance of command
justify humiliated defeats for just lucky timing is not appropriate and underestimate great effort of afrika corp
remember that German forces were out gunned and numbered
even Italian forces fighting at its backyard supported German forces in soviet union more than it supported its own troops in Africa or as Mussolini stated " to show fascist solidarity
beside even if Rommel attacks were when his enemies were most vulnerable in timing as you allege initative
The Germans didn't invade Russia until June 1941
@mohamedelghoul4198T here is plenty of luck involved in war, and Churchill stripping Wavell of his strength in 1941 was very lucky for Rommel indeed. Acknowledging that is not a slight against Rommel or the Afrika Korps.
@@mohamedelghoul4198Rommel wasn’t so much brilliant as his opponents were incompetent. Once Montgomery rolled in Rommel had to pack up and call it quits since Monty didn’t fall for the same tricks his predecessor had.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
Thanks for your video.
I observe that the (ground) distance between Tripoli (the main supply port) and Tobruk is almost the same distance as between Warsaw and Moscow. The invasion of Soviet Union was accompanied by repair and re-gauge of Soviet railroads over which supplies, reinforcements and replacements could assist further advances. There was no viable railroad from Tripoli so all supplies, etc., had to be moved forward by truck which expended petrol otherwise needed by the front line troops. The invasion of Soviet Union had its share of logistical problems despite the repair and utilization of railroads so I am not surprised that the Axis in North Africa would also have such problems.
yes ... a study of both side's logistics shows the accounting side of the Allied victory.
Don't forget those supplies had to cross the Mediterranean first before being trucked anywhere. A goodly number still sit on the bottom of the Med today.
It didn't help that the British controlled the ports mainly tobrok.
When the allies were moving toward Tripoli they would have the same supply problems.
@@toms9864 not necesarily. if they had the port facilities (since the Allies had naval superiority, not total control), the Allies could be supplied easier. Not by all that much, but still easier.
I blame Conrad Von Hotzendorf
It was usually his fault.
@@kristianfischer9814 Not "usually,'' ALWAYS!! It was always his fault!!
Rightfully so! Conrad is always to blame
Well done. Very interesting.
Excellent work
The Allies had crushing manpower advantage, and superior supply. I seem to recall Rommel himself thinking, that with the Allied forces he would have defeated himself in a matter of weeks.
First El Alamein battle only had slight numbers advantage for Allies and many units disorganised from retreating and defeats.
It was incredible comeback as a multinational force (including colonial troops) beat back armor attacks and bought time for reinforcements and win second battle which is now far more famous
@@zainmudassir2964 no the Allies had overwhelming numbers and still took heavy casualties.
@@britsareweakWhich was more or less because British tank doctrine was awful.
@@britsareweak British forces were outnumbered for most of their defense in North Africa, it was only when the Americans turned up that the numbers shifted
@@mrcaboosevg6089 no they weren’t, the British had superior numbers for all the conflict
That bit about being outnumbered 20:1 was a contributing factor.
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Will watch but beforehand I suspect Shoigu was in charge of the supplies, am I wrong?
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A British Prisoner of War Desmond Young wrote Rommel's biography in the early 1950's. He interviewed a range of people including officers who served with Rommel in Africa, his wife, son and those who tried to get him involved in the plot against Hitler. Samuel Mitchum wrote another book called Rommel's Desert War which goes into great detail about the material strength of the German and Italian forces in Africa and includes excerpts from his clashes with Goering and Hitler over strategy in North Africa.
No disrespect intended here, but this is ground well covered.
My great-great uncle, Captain Benjamin "Benny" F. Riggs, was shot down over Tunisia on January 19th, 1943. Only 2 members of his crew survived. He flew with the 328th Bomb Squadron, 93rd Bombardment Group, 8th Air Force.
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1:25 - pretty sure the Gespensterdivision name came from OKH, because Rommel led the 7th like it was a Company and he was 40km from his divisional radio for around 24hrs after breaching the Maginot Line, without orders or update. Sure the French couldn’t find him, but neither could von Rundstedt’s staff. Hence why when Rommell was assigned to Africa it was “impossible” for him to take 7th due to their importance in Barbarossa, despite this Division originally being given to Rommel in the Battle for France because they were understrength. Once more Rommel had understrength units in Africa and less popular officers under his command, who earned some outstanding victories.
the french called them "la divison fantome", thats where it comes from.
Enigma code breaking is why Rommel lost. The British were able to intercept Rommel's supplies and reinforcements. However the British used Enigma information sparingly so as not to alert Germany their Enigma code had been cracked.
That was instrumental to saving Malta which was the key for communications for the British and they used it to attack German supplies
the enigma enabled the British to condect 3 operations that denied Rommel resupply, one a bridge destroyed, another the shooting down of the Giant (pronounced gee ahnt) aircraft full of supplies and the sinking of several transport ships. Explained well in Anthony Brown's book " Bodyguard of Lies". It looks to me that you are very familiar with it.
It was actually Rommel’s intelligence breaking that had brought him so much previous success. In this conflict Rommel lost his signals intelligence capability and wasn’t as effective when he didn’t know what the enemy was doing. Just goes to show how important intelligence gathering is to both sides. However, in this instance Rommel overstretched his logistics too.
From what I learned the British use Enigma information against Rommel only after making a visual sighting. So that the Germans knew they had been spotted and not due to breaking the Enigma code.
Outstanding documentary
Just started watching 16 Days in Berlin on Nebula. Phenomenal!!!
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My dad was a rat of Tobruk with the Australian 2/2 machine gun battalion ,he mowed down hundreds of them ,he had survived 1003 days in combat during the war he was in it from start to finish
What a legend.
@@chrisrace744if true, hundreds are you certain.
The war lasted six years...... 6 X 365 is a lot more than 1,003 days 🤔
1942:
"The entire battle of Gazala and siege of Tobruk cost the Germans around 3,360 casualties (at least according to their records), but this did include 300 officers."
@@garymoore2535He said 1003 days in combat. You get days off even in a war!
Was that the pilot"Marseille" at the beginning Rommel was talking with?
At the 6 second mark,I think it was,absolute legend that guy
Yes that was the Star of Africa
An amazing pilot...
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I didn't think crusader tanks were used in operation compass against the Italians in the early days of the north African campaign. I thought it was mostly Matilda's and earlier cruiser tank models.
Correct. The British used Matilda II infantry tanks, and A9, A10, A13 cruisers, together with Light tankis, Mk VIs. Crusaders first appeared during Operation Battleaxe.
What is it with all the North Africa videos all of the sudden? First _The Operations Room,_ then _Kings and Generals_ and now you guys.
Was thinking the same thing, still watched em all tho..
They coordinated lol
I'm subbed to all three of those channels
for us it was mainly based on getting access to the Tiger 131 and the other tanks at the Tank Museum and then we developed a video around that.
@@realtimehistory intreseting
Such a great goddamn channel. Love it
This is so fascinating to watch, especially having played with Vickers and Matilda tanks on the El Alamein map in World Of Tanks
I think the myth of the 'Gespenster' Division has been debunked many times in recent years. The 'Ghost Division' nickname was given not by the Allies, but by German high command, namely the headquarters of the 4th German Army to which Rommel's 7th Panzer Division was initially subordinated to. The division earned this nickname because Rommel failed to communicate his intentions and position as the operation progressed through its early stages. The corps and army HQ did not know where the 7th Panzer was for a considerable time, and because it was stretched along a very long axis of advance, couldn't pin-point its exact location, because even the staff of 7th Panzer divisional HQ did not know where Rommel was located, nor where some of its subordinate units were located.
Rommel was wary that his communication with Headquarters may have been compromised/monitored by the Allies, thefore he does that as a precaution.
08:40 Premindra Singh Bhagat VC cleared 15 minefields over a period of 96 hours working from dawn to dusk!
Thanks!
Brilliantly researched, presented with complete neutrality and clarity.
Everyone forgets that Rommel was in hospital in Italy when the battle of El Alamein began. He rushed back but was quite ill and not his usual self
@@idontthinkso2861 to take on defensive postions it is recommended a 3 to 1 ratio is need Monty did it with a 2 to 1 ratio
Oddly, his health did seen to fail him as events turned against him.
Very many Afrika Korps soldiers suffered from illness due to bad water, bad food, and bad available medicine, namely logistics. Most could not evacuate and just suffered including the knowing fear of being in no condition to fight.
@@johndawes9337 Break your prozac in half he had much more than his predessessors O'Connor or Auchinleck who both won. But Churchill stuck his fat,drunken nose in both of their operations. the dithering Monty never caught Rommel in 1500 miles with every concievable advantage Big Advantages. Try reading Desert Generals,An Army at Dawn or Brute Force fanboi
*The Rommel Papers by B.H.Liddell-Hart page 521 Montgomery was in a position to profit by the bitter experience of his predecessors .While supplies on our side had been cut to a trickle ,American and British ships were bringing vast quantities on materials to North Africa .Many times greater than either his predecessors had ever had.* His principle was to fight no battle unless he knew for certain that he would win it. *Of course that is a method which will only work given material superiority - but that he had.* He was undoubtedly more of a strategist than a tactician. Command of a mobile battle force was not his strong point* British officers made the error off planning operations according to what was strategically desirable ,rather than what was tactically attainable."
Rommel was sick at El Alamein, he was pulled from Tripoli because they needed him to work on the Normandy invasion defense, on the day of the Normandy invasion he was celebrating his wife's birthday. I am seeing a pattern that Goebels was Rommel's PR agent.
The British focus on North Africa was about more than just Churchill's political survival. At the time, and until the Americans arrived in Operation Torch, the region was the only theatre of war where Britain and the Commonwealth & Empire troops and allies were in direct conflict with German & Italian forces. Also, it was imperative to keep the Suez Canal open as a route to India and the Far East and to keep the Germans out of the Middle East and its oil fields.
The British did not use the Suez Canal, except for sending ships to and from the Mediterranean Fleet. They used the longer, safer, Cape route.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 You're correct in part. But after coming round the Cape, or from Australia, NZ or India, they came through the canal to get to Alexandria. That's how my Dad got from the UK to join the 8th Army.
@@davidhyams2769 As I understand it, the ships terminated at Port of Suez, at the southern end of the canal.
Great point. I feel the same way you do on that.
Not exactly true. The Bruits got their first Lanks in 1942 and were widening the air war. This is much more important than commonly recognized. The air war is a major reason that over half of German war output was committed to the Western Front, denying the Ostheer the supplies they needed.
Incredible.
great film from battles - really artistic view in many cases. Wonder who the cameraman was.
My 8th Army Veteran Grandfather told me he didn’t know why he bothered fighting away for 6yrs
When looking at the country in the late 80s
I’m just glad he’s not here now !
Rip Grandad
Life would have been unbearable if Germany had won the war.
The British were very careful not to stretch their supply lines, preferring to sacrifice the tactical gains from moving forward fast in favour of the strategic gains from shoring up solid logistics.
The brilliant tactician (Rommel) lost to the brilliant logistician (Montgomery).
As the saying goes, “the pen is mightier than the sword”.
beautifully said
Not really the daft troll Bernard ignored opening up Antwerp 1st.Then later bitched he couldn't get all he wanted - all after it failed and he never showed up of course
Big wooden! We're have you been ? But Montgomery did take Antwerp! He also took the Sheldt with British commandos and Canadians! Once Montgomery had supplies there was no stopping him ! Odd that they blame Montgomery for not taking Antwerp earlier ? But completely ignore Patton's failure to take 2 French deep water ports? Odd
The British contributed little to the allied successes in North Africa. The Australian’s tenacious defense of Tobruk and the arrival of the U.S. doomed Germany.
@@CncrndCtzn And they came out of a sense of duty to help Britain, their mother country, who by far contributed the most in terms of logistics, materials, men as well as a sustained campaign between 1940 and end of 1942, not just in individual battles.
You can Britbash all you like, but it won’t change the facts.
Very intetesting info. My father was 1 of the South Africans in North Africa and Italy.
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Really interesting episode, although having heard the story of the Desert Fox several times, this still manages to bring some new perspectives and angles to the African campaign.
Really another great example of a commander who were limited by the circumstances, imagine if Rommel got all the supplies he needed and more, one man can definitely change history!
Logistics, Generals and Mashalls often forget about the importance of Logistics
Commander Monty got the nickname 'The Spartan General' , that's badass!!!
What about the quite cools little victories of Free France in Nothern Africa ?
There is really cool battles between Charles Leclerc and Italians, (given the inexistant equipment of French)... There's a video of 'Histoire Appliqué', a French UA-camr that talk about one cool battle. With your visuals it would be so cool !
As a direct descendant of the man, I seek out everything I can and when you guys post something it’s a special treat.
I have always admired his tenacity and drive. He was a great leader forced into impossible situations handicapped by Hitlers plans.
goddamn that's cool
Don't believe every you read on the internet, kid. It's amazing how every one of these videos has kids of the historical figures the video covers
This man used Jewish slaves to clear minefields and called them “ mine dogs”..ahhh how proud you should be!!!
The Afrika Korps and the Italian Fourth Shore armies lost because of logistics.
Even in 1940, both Balbo and Graziani told Mussolini that the Italian Libyan army, which vastly outnumbered the British Egyptian army, was neither equipped nor supplied to conquer Egypt. Mussolini didn't care. Putting a huge army in Libya and not equipping or supplying it for action was a complete waste and the eventual arrival of Afrika Korps did not remedy this waste.
The Axis logistical chain was brutal: (1) Axis European resource priority, (2) Italian home rail, (3) Italian shipping, (4) British interference, (5) Libyan port bandwidth, (6) Libyan ground transport bandwidth (partly consuming scarce fuel). So even if Rommel went to Hitler to complain about (1), or even if some sort of Malta success operation (never attempted) had eliminated (4), it would not have made a key difference. Air could supplement but air also consumed fuel.
Compare Britain in Egypt: (1) Control of the seas, (2) Ample Egyptian port capacity, (3) Developed enough transport network (Egypt is more developed than Libya), (4) Plentiful fuel nearby (in the British Gulf), (5) Better tropical warfare practices by experience including better food and medicine. Plus (6) Fewer competing fronts, indeed the opposite in that Britain had extra troop resources in New Zealand, Australia, India, and Africa available for expeditionary use.
No way were the Axis going to overcome that and conquer Egypt particularly past the easily defensible El Alamein pinch point where British supply was efficient and Axis supply painfully stretched. On a map, an advance to El Alamein looks threatening, but the Axis chance to continue to Alexandria was nil. To conquer Egypt the Axis would need to have waged a different war altogether, with a completely different set of priorities, probably including not attacking the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, or Greece and greatly upgraded German and Italian coordination.
Brian, Thank you for saying this and saving me the effort. I agree with you on every point.
Except not attacking Soviet was not an option. Soviets attack on Germans was iminent in July (Marc Solonin). Soviets greatly surpassed in armor ~5x, and in personell ~2…3x. Stalin was absolutely shure of soviet superiority. I believe it was main reason why Stalin "was shure that Germans would not attack".
@@antasosam8486 It was just a hypothetical. My point is that the logistics commitment to invading Egypt was serious in reality, but the Axis did not take it seriously and expected victory in a deprioritized Egypt while expending resources on other priorities.
They lost because USA was no longer reveling (involuntary) British Military plans to Germany
I agree with everything here except for “British control of the seas” and “Italian shipping”. Italian convoys had a massive success rate into North Africa (over 90% made it), their shipping was not the issue, it was the lack of logistics when they actually arrived to North Africa. The ports were too small and then even when supplies were unloaded they heavily relied on trucks to get things to the front over long distances(as you mentioned.) As for British control of the sea, that heavily undersells the Regia Marina, which, while mostly a fleet in being, was something the British were absolutely wary about and often had to contend with. The central Mediterranean, other than Malta, was firmly in Italian hands from 41-43, and after the Raid on Alexandria, even the Eastern Mediterranean was considered to be under Italian control for several months of the war. Everything else you said I believe is spot on and absolutely correct, just wanted to throw my two cents in though.
Fact after interesting fact. It's not too slow; it's not too fast. I feel richer after having watched -- thank you!
Sie sind ein wunderbar informativer und unterhaltsamer Lehrer. Neben der wunderbaren Art und Weise, in der Sie Ihre Einsichten erzählen, ist Ihre Exposition strahlend.
Ich finde Ihre deutsche Aussprache besonders ansprechend, da Sie sprechen, als wären Sie ein versierter deutscher Bühnenschauspieler.
vielen Dank, Jesse ist Kanadier, aber spricht fließend Deutsch und lebt in Wien, wir müssen ihm nur manchmal den Wiener Dialekt austreiben ;)
@@realtimehistory Mein bester Freund war Bayer und sprach mir oft auf seinen Dialekt, besonders wenn er über Berliner sprach! Ich bin mit den Nuancen und Unterschieden im deutschsprachigen Europa bestens vertraut! Sie machen einen tollen Job mit Jesse. Er fühlt sich auch wie jemand, der in der Vergangenheit im Theater aufgetreten ist.
German high command: Don't attack, just do some recon
Rommel: *Actually attacks French frontlines in France*
*A couple of years later*
German high command: Don't attack, just do some recon
Rommel: *Actually attacks British frontlines in North Africa*
Easy answer. The Qattara Depression. In all the battles in North Africa. When Rommel faced the British. All Rommel did was drive his tanks south of the British defensive lines and the come up from behind their lines to attack them.
When the Battle of El Alamein happened. Rommel had the Mediterranean to his north and the Qattara Depression to his south. The only way to fight the British was to go right through them. Montgomery knew this as well. So the British laid out more defensive lines and littered the area with landmines.
nice
14:41 the spirit matters in combat !
21:47 is it Enigma ?
Respect to the narrator for the German names pronunciation !
The Montgomery citation 9:18 is a cool slogan at the end 29:29
Excellent video! I especially appreciate your focus on logistics in the outcome of the campaign, because that factor is só often overlooked in popular accounts of World War II. Só many of the "turning points" in the war (including the battles of Moscow and Stalingrad in addition to Alamein) occurred at the outer limits of the Germans' supply lines; likewise, Allied victories in Egypt, Tunisia, Kursk, & Normandy were due in no small part to our various logistical advantages (including better supply planning, massive advantage in available resources, & unchecked naval superiority)
The one German NCO basically going "Paradox nerf british artillery >:(" is pretty funny to me.
I think he was saying “Paradox make a goddamn focus tree for Belgium”
Error in the captions when talking about the 6pounder VI Crusader. You have mark IV instead of VI
I remember Rommel used the 88 stationary anti tank guns very well that was a NICe weapon since with a differennt shell it can also be used as a FLAK gun (anti aircraft) or a different shell it can be used as a light artillary piece
Rommel didn't have the resources the British had in Africa.
Obviously a Wehraboo. By the time Rommel set to work the British Army in North Africa had driven hundreds of miles, had worn out equipment and tired troops. Then Churchill intervened and bled off troops sent to Greece. Rommel did what any competent General would do, he harried a hapless enemy and nearly succeeded. I'm guessing you play video games and don't believe "off-board" play such as destroying supplies is fair. Only big tanks and big guns count.
The same is true for the whole axis powers once the giant of the West entered into war mode the axis had little hope of winning the war with the limited resources at their disposal
@@photoisca7386 A valid argument. The sarcasm at the end was unnecessary and off putting.
@@photoisca7386 Rommel did exactly what he was told NOT TO DO, go on the offensive. It takes enormous resources, and almost nothing to just defend against an eviscerated British Army with worn-out equipment and exhausted troops. All the supplies that went to his glorious advance and heroic retreat, and heroic advance, did not go to the important front, the East. "It is magnificent, but it is not war".
@@photoisca7386you are ignorant and a liar.
An army marches on its stomachs, but a Panzer Army needs FUEL (and ammunition and spare parts and replacement tanks) to continue fighting.
Rommel pretty much was in the same situation as Stalingrad after the city got surrounded by the Red Army... getting SOME supplies, but nowhere near enough to keep winning, slowly being pushed back each time they had made some advances.
Pretty much.
One of my uncles was fighting in Rommels troops. He told me, when he was shipped over to North-Africa, there where three ships in the convoy. The first two ships were downed by the british bombers ... only the third ship - on which he was - came through.
In my youth I paid attention, like most, to weapons, tactics, big battles, and leaders; now in my 60s, I see that strategy and logistics were far more important.
The imposal of the Orient Plan on Rommel after the first battle of El Alamein, was the downfall, also, the third rate tanks who the Germans sent to Africa, (until after the defeat at 2nd El Alamein), the broading of the war by Hitler, Italian bad quality, few resources invested by the Axis, etc resulted in an unwinnable war in africa.
Because he was hopelessly outnumbered yet continuously attacked against orders and without any logistical support?
The margins in every battle were tiny and winning this war was almost miraculous when you consider everything. Ie, every win was pretty much a miracle.
..Rommel urged the German High Command to take Malta several times, and was ignored, the Germans were tied up on the Eastern Front. Allied forces in Malta destroyed Rommel's supply lines..
The Germans/Italians had no means of taking Malta. They never had control of the sea and an airborne assault on a small, largely urban, wel-defended island would have been suicidal.
Not least: the Maltese themselves, much like the inhabitants of Gibraltar today, were almost unanimously pro-British.
@@robertcottam8824 Not entirely true. The German paratroopers under Kurt Student took Crete after hard fighting 9admittedly, Freyberg, the New Zealanders' commander, was incompetent). They took heavy casualties and Hitler took the wrong lesson from it. After refining tactics, a paratroops assault on Malta could have worked. Not guaranteed, but worth the effort. Actually, in wargames some of us explored an even more audacious plan - after conquering France and the Low Countries, what if, instead of launching Barbarossa when he did, Hitler had driven through Spain and reinforced Kurt Student's fallschirmjagers and then had ordered a combined land-sea-paratroop assault on Gibraltar? Its success would have turned the Mediterranean sea into an Axis lake. Possibly Egypt would have fallen and the Germans would have had direct access to oil fields...
@@ronaryel6445
Genuinely fascinating. Thank you.
Let's not discuss Freyburg here. 🤔
I'd be intrigued to know more about the hypotheticals to which you referred....
I'm ALWAYS happy to be proved wrong so, from a position of relative ignorance, just HOW would you have taken Malta?
Declaring my hand, if offered the choice of attacking or defending, I'd be inclined to the latter.
Best wishes no matter your response.
In North Africa one commander routinely outstripped his supplies driving his troops to exhaustion, often squandering any positive gains that he had made leaving himself open to counterattack. He also kept pushing his forces beyond the operational range of his air power. That commander was Rommel. Strangely a commander many regard as a brilliant general.
Then we have one that joined later in North Africa that build up his forces, stock supplies and increased the level of inter-service co-operation. He absorbed an attack in his first encounter with Rommel that he had correctly anticipated and planned for, then winning the battle. He then launched an effective counterattack that kicked off the drive that ended in victory, all the while adjusting his strategy on the fly to maximum effectiveness. That commander was Montgomery.
yeah the same brilliant general that had to commit suicide or be shot in the head cause of his blunders lol
Monty was an ankle biter trying to pass himself off as a head hunter
@@bigwoody4704
Rambo, a quiz.
Name the British field marshal who had to take command of two shambolic US armies in the German Bulge attack?
20 points for the correct answer.
if the US was bad, then the British should have stayed home and saved a bunch of Englishmen - after having already using the colonials as sandbags that is. Monty lost a lot. What he won he won with overwhelming superiority in men, materials, and air support. Then barely.. and poorly.
Johnnie perhaps when your ankle monitor is removed the staff at the home will take you to a library
@@bigwoody4704
*BZZZZZT!* Wrong answer.
Rambo, the name the British field marshal who had to take command of two shambolic US armies in the German Bulge attack, was....
🍾🍸🎊 *Field Marshal Montgomery* 🍾🍸🎊
Zero points Rambo. Zero. Better luck next time.
26:54 That Source of Soundtracks
09:55 So the Marmon Herrigton test made it to the final cut after all :)
Dad was a gunner in a B-24 in the first bomb group there, he said it was the loss of romels supplies and the Italians, dad respected Romel