The F80, is ugly. Ferrari has lost its way in the last few years. The 296 is a V6, If I want a V6 I'll go and buy something different like a flat 6. They do not have a good looking car in production at present. All ugly and only made for posers. Give me a 458 any day
Put a V12 in an SUV but a V6 in a halo car. Ferrari has really lost its spirit. Plus the design just isn't pretty enough, like most modern Ferraris. Who would have thought Porsche would be making some of the most beautiful sports car shapes?
I watched the videos on it this morning, thought to myself I didn't hate it, didn't love it, didn't care for it having a V6 and immediately forgot about it. It just didn't give me that feeling like an F40, Enzo or LaFerrari. I saw a Monza SP2 in real life driving next to me last year and that thing was just incredible. That's what a Ferrari should be.
Not helping case is the fact that the f-80 is probably the worst looking super Ferrari of all time. The la Ferrari was a hybrid but damn it looked incredible. It also had a v12....
There have only been about 6 of them, so "of all time" sounds a bit hyperbolic. That said, I'd probably choose any F## car before the F80 from what they are showing us.
I’ve been buying and swapping sports cars for 20 years, with half a dozen exotics. Unfortunately, the hybrid era marks the end of the passion for me. I just don’t care now.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson on why he doesn't like modern cars, especially hybrids "We have a new hybrid system!" Clarksons response "I just couldn't give a shit!"
You can’t even call it a hybrid because there is never a moment where the car is moving and the engine is off. It’s just electric motors adding power to the V6
Hyper cars care too much about performance and less about drop dead looks and sound. Whole point of a “cool car” is something that is jaw dropping in looks and sound. More dangerous the car the better supercar. Late 80s-early 2000s best supercars.
I miss the 1990s when sports cars had their own unique design. Now, they all have the same basic shape. Corvettes, to McClarens, Lamborghini, they all blend together.
The new F80 is disappointing, no V12 for their flag ship yet the SUV get's the V12. LaFerrari prices will go up now for sure, as will Enzo and the F50.
@@Chris-hw4mq Like GMA did; they were never going to win the spec war so they went for purity (and ended up winning the weight and RPM limit* awards anyway) *Red Bull's 15,000rpm engine isn't in a street legal car and there's no plans to put it in one.
100% worst looking hypercar ever….but you won’t hear the Ferrari guys bad mouth it, they will get their allocations removed after spending millions to get the chance to be offered one for retail.
A mix between social media/ internet shoving new hypercars down your throat and all the rich people that make video/content about them. You used to only see them in magazines but now you can learn all you want about them online.
It seems to me that all car manufacturers are catering towards the consumer that has no interest whatsoever in buying cars that are a drivers car. All this stupid and dangerous self driving technology makes very bad drivers that have no idea how to instinctively respond to hazards on the road.
Hyper cars should be excempted from normal car regulations, just put a limit on production numbers and let the engineers go wild, let the technology evolve without limitations instead of inforcing them.
The F80's V6 also has a lower rev limit than the Bugatti Tourbillion's 8.3L V16 (9200 vs 9500 rpm). Tuning shops in Japan were getting higher rev limits from turbo V6 engines 20 years ago
Hybrid isn't an issue for me. My favorite car is the Porsche 918. The last Ferrari that captured my imagination was the 458. I'd still rather have a 458 than any of the newer ferraris, but unfortunately buyers on the used market clearly agree with me and they really haven't depreciated under the $200k mark.
You are missing the point of the car. This is a maximum performance car, above all else. Right now the way to get maximum performance and meet emissions regulations is with a hybrid powertrain. Personally, I think most of the car does not look very good. I am sure plenty of people will line up to buy these.
This car was a major disappointment. I daily drove a Lexus ct200h for nearly 7 years (fancy Prius). It did its job, but I no longer wanted hybrid throw away problems. The car was deathly slow and only did “ok” on gas mileage. I was miserable in it. Instead of starting to drive one of my other vehicles, I bought a 2011 328i and I’m in love with driving again. Even though it’s slow compared to my other vehicles, it has the dynamics, looks, and availability.
I'm 70 and raised on American made naturally derived horsepower. No turbo's, no batteries. I've had so many cars, can't count them accurately. But, I just got rid of a '23 LT1 with a manual and got a 5.7L plum crazy Challenger. Yep, I've had 2 Corvettes in the past and a Scat Pak as well. Always bought American "made" cars. Now at 70, I need a comfortable car I don't have to pull myself out of and don't need to go 140MPH with my butt dragging on the road. I just love the engine sound of this 5.7L Challenger, with a manual of course. Give me that old fashion pushrod motor, big iron block and enough torque to satisfy any situation I'm in. No electrics here. Keeping this car for a long time.
ive always said. pure ev's should be regulated to city drivers do road trips longer than 3-4 hours buy a hybrid. and if your a gear head... allow us to have our pure i.c.e. and high performance hybrids.
Rob, love how far you've come. I still remember meeting you and the Super Speeders Crew at the LA Auto Show over 18 years ago. Bought Super Speeders 1-3 and the bonus DVD too.
I don’t mind purchasing a E46 M3 and spending 20k on dialing it in like when it came out from factory. The more I see the new line ups, the more I am ok with spending money on the maintenance I used to whine about.
Lightweight high revving naturally aspirated petrol engine with a manual gearbox and well sorted chassis with rear wheel drive. Don't really care about power or engine size. Can't be that difficult.
Being hybrid isnt the issue. The LaFerrari, 918, and P1 are all hybrids too and they are probably the most loved hypercars. I think people dont like the W1 and the F80 bc they lack soul and dont look as good.
I think they should stop chasing the 0.00001s on the imaginary lap-time, and start making those cars look outrageously gorgeous. Both W1 and S80 utterly failed in that aspect. While they look extreme, they don't look good IMO. (And the W1 especially doesn't even look distinct.)
I used to be obsessed with all the new cool cars coming out in the 90s and early 2000s. I read all the magazines, knew all the details and specs, I'd go to dealerships almost every day to look at them, etc, but i just don't feel it anymore. Hybrids and EVs are just so boring to me. I've driven some crazy fast newer cars, but i don't even care about most of them. Losing the manual transmission in most cars changed everything. Hybrids and EVs are boring regardless of power and the hypercars aren't any better.
You can't complain about a hybrid system ruining a car and then name 2 hybrid hyper cars calling them the best like the laferrari and the Porsche Carrera both hybrids
I think you overlooked one major aspect. Modern supercars have gotten too good. The top cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren, even the best 2 year old model... what more can we ask from them? Shave 3 seconds off a lap at the RIng? Another 100hp when it already has more than enough to send you to jail? So what now do you ask from a Hypercar? Now getting to what you said, looks and sounds.
*F80 is a Cyberpunk car. The hybrid system is adding to much weight. Should skip hybrid for the F80. Turbo charge it 1400-1500hp and the car will be 200-400kg lighter.*
The problem is different - we are at peak car technology. Holly grail of old, the 1000 bhp tuned car, are now available as stock super cars, even normal cars with zr1 example. You can’t go faster on the road and there is no need for v10/v12 existence, if turbo v8 gets 1000bhp. Performance? You can’t beat 4x4 wit hybrid assist. Electrics are the fastest on drags on the streets. Agility? BMW m3 can do a lot, 911 gt3 even more. Why buy Ferrari for track driving? And now the big question: who would by an expensive exotic v12 car that is no faster then r6/v8 cars, can’t turn quicker etc Hyper cars were always primarily fast and now what?
V6 is a joke, Ferrari lost the plot. It's too heavy, too complex, too over-styled and too expensive. It's just not a good value for what you get. The v12's are where it's at and naturally aspirated cars are what people want - not this crazy complex hybrid nonsense with small engines.
You're right they're not worthy of our dreams. Every time Ferrari(or some other pretentious brand) rolls out a re-skin for a supercar, I just roll my eyes. This F80 managed to be worse for the V6.
False it's not the Hybrid fact that lost the F80. The Revuelto was exciting & is hybrid. The 296 is exciting & also a hybrid. The 918 was exciting & it is also.a hybrid. The Ferrari F80 looked like we have seen it before in the SP3/12 Cilindri. They need to go back to Pininfarina. Combine that with the fact it's a V6 not the V12 in the Cilindri and you have .......
The F80 not only doesn't look exciting but it has a V6 ! Sure rich collector bought all of them before Ferrari even made them but to the rest of us it's not worth it.
@@Alps6408 If someone feels a car is ugly then fine … but what is the point of disliking a car SOLELY because it is a hybrid?? Personally I dislike all cars that do not have a manual transmission … but I can explain that to myself but >95% of Americans want to drive an automatic transmission … you think those people care if a hypercar is a hybrid?? The explanation that the hypercar market is going to run dry because they have hybrid drivetrains is contrary to the facts of resent car history. Some 30 year old buying a hypercar could have spent his entire life in Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini and never seen a manual transmission … that guy isn’t going to care the car is hybrid he’s only going to care it’s faster than other models. So … what’s the point??!
I could not agree more with Rob's commentary. I have been so completely underwhelmed by both the W1 and especially the F80. The F80 in particular has zero cohesive design language. It looks like one of those fictional hotwheels cars that has some stupid name like "Track Lazer" or some crap. If the halo Ferrari hypercar looks like it was designed by an intern at matel toys, it's a problem. That and it having a v6 hybrid... I do not care if the power train won Lemans... blah blah don't care. Hypermarket should be a showcase of craftsmanship, and sate the desire for the an amazing high strung exotic motor. Performance of cars in general has reached such a high level I think buyers are starting to care less about performance figures and more about the subjective feeling the sum of all the parts of the car gives you.
I kind of feel the same way about most new cars, I don’t know apart from the new M2, I don’t really feel excited or interested in new cars, I have no idea why.
I wonder if "CAFE Standards" are why we're seeing this. Ferrari has been granted exceptions for a few years, but I'm guessing they aren't getting it anymore. I have no idea about Lamborghini, Pagani, or Mclaren and their "CAFE Standard" requirements.
Just too fast to be enjoyed on the road. I think t33t/50 is the way foward. The last holy trinity was already a bit too much. Just on the limit. We need cars back like the f40,f50, carrera gt, f1, light with more managable power and gocart feel. No body says 3.5 to 60 is slow.
A good analog time piece is amazing. Most people have a Fitbit or Apple Watch. Times are changing. New gen doesn’t care about legacy. A V6 hybrid is the current want. Driving down the freeway all I see are trucks, hybrids, and electric cars. They’re influencing the next gen super cars. Hang on to your beloved manual car. Hug your favorite v12. I’d imagine in 50 years we’ll be looking at the Ferrari Enzo the same way we look at a 1957 Belair today.
This is exactly the point. Nobody buys a supercar to "save the planet" and they are BARELY driven. Most supercars you see for sale have like 10k miles on them after several years. Forcing these companies to comply is literally not going to make a difference in emissions.
I’m 30 and love all the Ferrari cars like all of em but that F80 is ugly imo and the hybrid shit is just crap. I want that big NA motor that has the sounds with the enjoyment of driving
Sad part is people will still buy it as they will expect it to go up in value. There is no rrason for these to in resse though as IMO they are not desirable
The path of development of the modern supercar is leading towards a dead end. With where they are currently - you keep hearing guys like Matt Farah say "I can't believe this is something you can just go out and buy" and so on. But for how much longer can they keep the arms race going, how much faster and crazier can they keep making these cars? At some point they're just going to be undriveable at the limit by anybody other than the test drivers. Still looking forward to watching a video of W1 vs F80 (maybe also throw a Chiron into the mix) on, like, carwow or something.
I don't think hybrid is the problem but the simple. La ferrari/p1/918 were cool but now they have gone tesla mode. New trio feels more like a numbers tech fest over passion and fast moving art. Looks are subjective but the f80 not having a proper passager seat... C'mon
The F80 is ugly, it has no feng shui.... and nobody who has the money for an F80 aspires to have a v6. The only supercar that gets away with a v6 is a Porsche 911 and an nsx. Sorry, its not about always about track times, HAD IT BEEN at least a twin turbo v8 hybrid. it would have made all the difference. And lets be honest a hybrid supercar is not "saving the planet". There's something to be said about post modernity and cars its turning them to sh$t.
I'm most pissed off at the fact that when I will finally be able to afford a Lambo, the only options for new ones will be hybrids. Now I'll have to aim for a 10 year old car as my dream car. I hate how my dream car won't even be brand new anymore. I wanted a new one that I spec'd but I don't want the new Lambos for sure. :(
They now have the new SF90 special edition. The 12 Cilindri, and now this F80. All at the same time. 3 hyper-giga-megacars all at the same time. Seems a bit much.
Rob is not only correct, he is speaking what is happening in the real world, look at the 458 market the last true Ferrari V8, it’s absolutely dominating all the new trash they have put out so far.
Cars with hybrid power trains will have horrible residuals. They may stay high for a bit, but then they will crash. Who wants a car with a battery that's about dead? And then if it cost 30,000 to replace a battery on a Hyundai, imagine that on a Ferrari.
i disagree. Hybrids have nothing to do with hyper cars being boring; its just that cars aren't as interesting because manufacturers have to deal with emission laws and other government policies. If Gordon Murray built a hybrid, i wouldn't have a problem with it cause i know he designed the car to have the best driving dynamics. Also, coming to your point about the W1 having a low top speed, the car can easily do more than 218 mph, its just the manufacturers don't advertise it with a higher top speed. Infact, a LaFerrari went 230+ mph on the autobahn even though Ferrari had marketed it as having a top speed of 218
Everyone loved the looks of the F40 and F50. Then the Enzo came out, all the people on the forums were saying it was ugly. Then the LaFerrari came out and everyone said it looked too much like the Enzo. Now most people say the Enzo is beautiful. I think people will be changing their minds when they see the F80 in person... Then in 10 years they'll say it's beautiful. People said the Eiffel Tower was ugly too. I do agree with most your points tho Rob. The hypercars of today have lost the passion. It's too scientific now. Especially the Ferrari's and McLarens. With age everything just becomes shitty. 😂 Bahh humbug. The Ferrari 355/Acura NSX/Lotus Espirt are my favorite automotive designs. Throw in the Gallardo Superleggera in there too.
They’re competing against electric commuter cars now. Can’t have the new V12 hyper car being beaten by an electric sedan. No one’s going to care how nice it sounds if it’s not the fastest too.
And it's V12?... Cmon Ferrari, do better... Now wonder Lambo sales have went up every year for the last 5 years. I understand the V6 has "Le Mans Heritage", but for a Halo Car, 3m car, it HAS to have a screaming V12
@@markusstevensakabiginfinit9523 The V6 is de-tuned for LeMans to meet the 650HP limit as well, so it's not like they took the highly strung racecar engine and made it road legal like AMG did for the One, they took a 296 engine and modified it for LeMans.
Hyundai vision 74 is more interesting that a hyper Ferrari or McLaren, not only is it super cool but it is an attainable car. Hundreds of thousands no millions of dollars required
I'm at a car show I frequent, some guy is driving out in his new Ferrari, dead silent. I thought the idea behind Italian cars was, "Look at me!". The first part of that is the sound of the engine, it's like removing the smells from an Italian restaurant. For me there isn't a car made today I have any interest in. They are all boring, they can be the fastest thing on earth. I could care less, I look for things that are unique in styling. I do not see any of them that are, there is a reason. They all fall under the the same regulations. Which means everybody has to follow the same rules. The designers hands are tied, there is more to it than that. But in the end it means things are just going to stagnate. Which has been happening for a long time. I'm older than you Rob, I remember when R&T and C&D. Would have something interesting on the cover. Today I don't even know if those guys are still around.
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The F80, is ugly.
Ferrari has lost its way in the last few years. The 296 is a V6, If I want a V6 I'll go and buy something different like a flat 6. They do not have a good looking car in production at present. All ugly and only made for posers.
Give me a 458 any day
Put a V12 in an SUV but a V6 in a halo car. Ferrari has really lost its spirit. Plus the design just isn't pretty enough, like most modern Ferraris.
Who would have thought Porsche would be making some of the most beautiful sports car shapes?
they have been all along logwing!.
you saying it like its a v6 from a camry
but its a racing engine from a le mans car
@@NikoMoraKamu v6 from a camry would unironically have sounded better
@@hertzwave8001the Ferrari v6 sounds like a v12 by the way
Only that it's based on the le Mann's winner.
I watched the videos on it this morning, thought to myself I didn't hate it, didn't love it, didn't care for it having a V6 and immediately forgot about it. It just didn't give me that feeling like an F40, Enzo or LaFerrari. I saw a Monza SP2 in real life driving next to me last year and that thing was just incredible. That's what a Ferrari should be.
Not helping case is the fact that the f-80 is probably the worst looking super Ferrari of all time. The la Ferrari was a hybrid but damn it looked incredible. It also had a v12....
There have only been about 6 of them, so "of all time" sounds a bit hyperbolic. That said, I'd probably choose any F## car before the F80 from what they are showing us.
V6 not interested.
It had a V12 where you couldn't put it in electric-only mode, either. Which I like.
@@po.russki You couldn't "officially" put it in EV mode. Few videos going around showing it crawling along on electric power alone.
It’s terrible
I’ve been buying and swapping sports cars for 20 years, with half a dozen exotics. Unfortunately, the hybrid era marks the end of the passion for me. I just don’t care now.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson on why he doesn't like modern cars, especially hybrids
"We have a new hybrid system!" Clarksons response "I just couldn't give a shit!"
You can’t even call it a hybrid because there is never a moment where the car is moving and the engine is off. It’s just electric motors adding power to the V6
Absolutely. The F80 is a disgrace. The design is busy and unrefined, the engine is uninspired and boring.
Hyper cars care too much about performance and less about drop dead looks and sound. Whole point of a “cool car” is something that is jaw dropping in looks and sound. More dangerous the car the better supercar. Late 80s-early 2000s best supercars.
I miss the 1990s when sports cars had their own unique design. Now, they all have the same basic shape. Corvettes, to McClarens, Lamborghini, they all blend together.
Agreed
Saying Koenigsegg is getting a "little bit" involved in the technology side of ultimate performance is a bit of an understatement.
...yes...heard some idiot a few days ago call Koenigsegg "soulless"...
Agreed. Christian is an absolute mechanical genius, along with his team.
The new F80 is disappointing, no V12 for their flag ship yet the SUV get's the V12. LaFerrari prices will go up now for sure, as will Enzo and the F50.
Yeah I’d rather have an F50 any day over the F80
It should have been NA V12 and manual. If you cant outperform a chiron go the other way
@@Chris-hw4mq Like GMA did; they were never going to win the spec war so they went for purity (and ended up winning the weight and RPM limit* awards anyway)
*Red Bull's 15,000rpm engine isn't in a street legal car and there's no plans to put it in one.
@@deanchur Purity means NA engine not hybrid
@@Chris-hw4mq i'd prefer hybrid car but N/A over 1 liter lawnmower engine with 10 turbos per cylinder
I'll stick to good old NA v8s. Still think the 458 is the best Ferrari to own and enjoy.
I like the 430
Stop making hybrids and stop taking away the manuals
100% worst looking hypercar ever….but you won’t hear the Ferrari guys bad mouth it, they will get their allocations removed after spending millions to get the chance to be offered one for retail.
I agree. I feel like the Enzo was the peak for Ferrari, the Carrera GT for Porsche, and McLaren will never surpass the F1.
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A mix between social media/ internet shoving new hypercars down your throat and all the rich people that make video/content about them. You used to only see them in magazines but now you can learn all you want about them online.
It seems to me that all car manufacturers are catering towards the consumer that has no interest whatsoever in buying cars that are a drivers car. All this stupid and dangerous self driving technology makes very bad drivers that have no idea how to instinctively respond to hazards on the road.
SP3 Daytona>F80
Hyper cars should be excempted from normal car regulations, just put a limit on production numbers and let the engineers go wild, let the technology evolve without limitations instead of inforcing them.
The F80's V6 also has a lower rev limit than the Bugatti Tourbillion's 8.3L V16 (9200 vs 9500 rpm).
Tuning shops in Japan were getting higher rev limits from turbo V6 engines 20 years ago
Hybrid isn't an issue for me. My favorite car is the Porsche 918. The last Ferrari that captured my imagination was the 458. I'd still rather have a 458 than any of the newer ferraris, but unfortunately buyers on the used market clearly agree with me and they really haven't depreciated under the $200k mark.
You are missing the point of the car. This is a maximum performance car, above all else. Right now the way to get maximum performance and meet emissions regulations is with a hybrid powertrain. Personally, I think most of the car does not look very good. I am sure plenty of people will line up to buy these.
This car was a major disappointment.
I daily drove a Lexus ct200h for nearly 7 years (fancy Prius). It did its job, but I no longer wanted hybrid throw away problems. The car was deathly slow and only did “ok” on gas mileage. I was miserable in it.
Instead of starting to drive one of my other vehicles, I bought a 2011 328i and I’m in love with driving again. Even though it’s slow compared to my other vehicles, it has the dynamics, looks, and availability.
You should call this channel you now What grinds my gears
I'm 70 and raised on American made naturally derived horsepower. No turbo's, no batteries. I've had so many cars, can't count them accurately. But, I just got rid of a '23 LT1 with a manual and got a 5.7L plum crazy Challenger. Yep, I've had 2 Corvettes in the past and a Scat Pak as well. Always bought American "made" cars. Now at 70, I need a comfortable car I don't have to pull myself out of and don't need to go 140MPH with my butt dragging on the road. I just love the engine sound of this 5.7L Challenger, with a manual of course. Give me that old fashion pushrod motor, big iron block and enough torque to satisfy any situation I'm in. No electrics here. Keeping this car for a long time.
ive always said. pure ev's should be regulated to city drivers
do road trips longer than 3-4 hours buy a hybrid.
and if your a gear head... allow us to have our pure i.c.e. and high performance hybrids.
I don’t even like camry anymore which used to be my go to commuter, because it’s hybrid only now, I can’t imagine how hyper car guys feel
Rob, love how far you've come. I still remember meeting you and the Super Speeders Crew at the LA Auto Show over 18 years ago. Bought Super Speeders 1-3 and the bonus DVD too.
He doesn’t reply to messages, read them, or give a single . about you
I don’t mind purchasing a E46 M3 and spending 20k on dialing it in like when it came out from factory. The more I see the new line ups, the more I am ok with spending money on the maintenance I used to whine about.
Lightweight high revving naturally aspirated petrol engine with a manual gearbox and well sorted chassis with rear wheel drive. Don't really care about power or engine size. Can't be that difficult.
Being hybrid isnt the issue. The LaFerrari, 918, and P1 are all hybrids too and they are probably the most loved hypercars. I think people dont like the W1 and the F80 bc they lack soul and dont look as good.
I think they should stop chasing the 0.00001s on the imaginary lap-time, and start making those cars look outrageously gorgeous. Both W1 and S80 utterly failed in that aspect. While they look extreme, they don't look good IMO. (And the W1 especially doesn't even look distinct.)
I used to be obsessed with all the new cool cars coming out in the 90s and early 2000s. I read all the magazines, knew all the details and specs, I'd go to dealerships almost every day to look at them, etc, but i just don't feel it anymore. Hybrids and EVs are just so boring to me. I've driven some crazy fast newer cars, but i don't even care about most of them. Losing the manual transmission in most cars changed everything. Hybrids and EVs are boring regardless of power and the hypercars aren't any better.
You can't complain about a hybrid system ruining a car and then name 2 hybrid hyper cars calling them the best like the laferrari and the Porsche Carrera both hybrids
Not much in todays car world excites me. thought it was just me
I think you overlooked one major aspect. Modern supercars have gotten too good. The top cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren, even the best 2 year old model... what more can we ask from them? Shave 3 seconds off a lap at the RIng? Another 100hp when it already has more than enough to send you to jail? So what now do you ask from a Hypercar? Now getting to what you said, looks and sounds.
*F80 is a Cyberpunk car. The hybrid system is adding to much weight. Should skip hybrid for the F80. Turbo charge it 1400-1500hp and the car will be 200-400kg lighter.*
The problem is different - we are at peak car technology. Holly grail of old, the 1000 bhp tuned car, are now available as stock super cars, even normal cars with zr1 example.
You can’t go faster on the road and there is no need for v10/v12 existence, if turbo v8 gets 1000bhp.
Performance? You can’t beat 4x4 wit hybrid assist. Electrics are the fastest on drags on the streets.
Agility? BMW m3 can do a lot, 911 gt3 even more. Why buy Ferrari for track driving?
And now the big question: who would by an expensive exotic v12 car that is no faster then r6/v8 cars, can’t turn quicker etc
Hyper cars were always primarily fast and now what?
V6 is a joke, Ferrari lost the plot. It's too heavy, too complex, too over-styled and too expensive. It's just not a good value for what you get. The v12's are where it's at and naturally aspirated cars are what people want - not this crazy complex hybrid nonsense with small engines.
You're right they're not worthy of our dreams. Every time Ferrari(or some other pretentious brand) rolls out a re-skin for a supercar, I just roll my eyes. This F80 managed to be worse for the V6.
You're 💯 percent right Rob!!!
Thanks for taking the luggage in trunk photo for me Rob! 4:15
new cars are soulless.
False it's not the Hybrid fact that lost the F80. The Revuelto was exciting & is hybrid. The 296 is exciting & also a hybrid. The 918 was exciting & it is also.a hybrid. The Ferrari F80 looked like we have seen it before in the SP3/12 Cilindri. They need to go back to Pininfarina. Combine that with the fact it's a V6 not the V12 in the Cilindri and you have .......
Agree on the hybrids but they are still amazing cars.
Rob i hear you, but no sane person picks a speciale over a P1.
Picked up a 2024 R35 GT-R. Has a premium nineties JDM feel to it inside. Large physical gauges. Had to buy the last one before hybrid kills the car.
Should’ve gotten an earlier year Nismo for the same dollar
I just got my 2009. Full carbon fiber 1/1 in canada. And i probably paid half what you did. Plus built stage 2 trans.
@gosharksgo93 not the same car. Someone else's build. I'm good.
@@BigJeezieYou're not good, but we will pretend you are.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again my pockets are deep. I'm good.
f80 is hideous. rob. we are getting old though, apparently.
The F80 not only doesn't look exciting but it has a V6 !
Sure rich collector bought all of them before Ferrari even made them but to the rest of us it's not worth it.
Drivers cars peaked some time ago and it wasn’t until you could count the number of new exciting cars on one hand that this realization set in.
I have a 23 Corvette HTC Z51. I was able to get it for sticker 2 years ago. It thrills me every time I drive it. Keep up the good work Rob.
As far as hypercars go, the only ones that still excite me are Koenigsegg's track focused models
They are making hybrids because they are FASTER not because they are more quiet.
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You're clearly missing the point.
Clearly speed is the primary marketing tool, sound etc is somewhere below that.
@@Alps6408
If someone feels a car is ugly then fine … but what is the point of disliking a car SOLELY because it is a hybrid??
Personally I dislike all cars that do not have a manual transmission … but I can explain that to myself but >95% of Americans want to drive an automatic transmission … you think those people care if a hypercar is a hybrid??
The explanation that the hypercar market is going to run dry because they have hybrid drivetrains is contrary to the facts of resent car history. Some 30 year old buying a hypercar could have spent his entire life in Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini and never seen a manual transmission … that guy isn’t going to care the car is hybrid he’s only going to care it’s faster than other models.
So … what’s the point??!
Not to mention.. a V6... In a hypercar. Gimme a break
I could not agree more with Rob's commentary. I have been so completely underwhelmed by both the W1 and especially the F80. The F80 in particular has zero cohesive design language. It looks like one of those fictional hotwheels cars that has some stupid name like "Track Lazer" or some crap. If the halo Ferrari hypercar looks like it was designed by an intern at matel toys, it's a problem. That and it having a v6 hybrid... I do not care if the power train won Lemans... blah blah don't care. Hypermarket should be a showcase of craftsmanship, and sate the desire for the an amazing high strung exotic motor. Performance of cars in general has reached such a high level I think buyers are starting to care less about performance figures and more about the subjective feeling the sum of all the parts of the car gives you.
I kind of feel the same way about most new cars, I don’t know apart from the new M2, I don’t really feel excited or interested in new cars, I have no idea why.
The V6 is a much bigger problem than the hybrid system.
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I wonder if "CAFE Standards" are why we're seeing this. Ferrari has been granted exceptions for a few years, but I'm guessing they aren't getting it anymore. I have no idea about Lamborghini, Pagani, or Mclaren and their "CAFE Standard" requirements.
All well said. I believe the difference is that they feel the electrified motors in the only way to improve, speed wise, on the past cars.
Just too fast to be enjoyed on the road. I think t33t/50 is the way foward.
The last holy trinity was already a bit too much. Just on the limit.
We need cars back like the f40,f50, carrera gt, f1, light with more managable power and gocart feel.
No body says 3.5 to 60 is slow.
A good analog time piece is amazing. Most people have a Fitbit or Apple Watch. Times are changing. New gen doesn’t care about legacy. A V6 hybrid is the current want. Driving down the freeway all I see are trucks, hybrids, and electric cars. They’re influencing the next gen super cars. Hang on to your beloved manual car. Hug your favorite v12. I’d imagine in 50 years we’ll be looking at the Ferrari Enzo the same way we look at a 1957 Belair today.
I never understand the hybridisation of supercars. They never get used enough to be effective hybrids so why not put the good engine in?
This is exactly the point. Nobody buys a supercar to "save the planet" and they are BARELY driven. Most supercars you see for sale have like 10k miles on them after several years. Forcing these companies to comply is literally not going to make a difference in emissions.
It’s not about the environment, it’s about instant torque
@@threeseven7894 Nope. The EU is forcing car manufacturers to make cars with less carbon emissions.
At least the W1 has a V8.
given its a mclaren v8 it's exhaust note will be a hit or a miss, i doubt it would be as bad as the bmw m8 though
I think most hypercar owners would not be happy getting passed by a $40,000 model 3 with 500 horsepower.
Hybrid cars are like Epcot. Yes it’s an amazing experience, but it’s not the same as traveling the world
The F80 can’t even be put in ev mode because the electric motors are purely for performance. There would be no way of knowing it has them
I agree. My 124,000 mile Porsche is just fun to drive.
I’m 30 and love all the Ferrari cars like all of em but that F80 is ugly imo and the hybrid shit is just crap. I want that big NA motor that has the sounds with the enjoyment of driving
The F90 will be even uglier, with a 3 cylinder quad electric turbo. F80 is UGLY.
They're not beautiful anymore when they lost or they parted ways with that designer studio things change
It deffo doesnt have anything that makes it stand along the lines of the F40, La Ferrari etc
Sad part is people will still buy it as they will expect it to go up in value. There is no rrason for these to in resse though as IMO they are not desirable
It's a lot to do with government regulations. Rest assured though, there will be a lot of wealthy middle-Eastern men buying all the new models up.
I like the thoughts video :)
I'm not sure you are completely right about everything you said, but still it's nice to hear your thoughts
The path of development of the modern supercar is leading towards a dead end. With where they are currently - you keep hearing guys like Matt Farah say "I can't believe this is something you can just go out and buy" and so on. But for how much longer can they keep the arms race going, how much faster and crazier can they keep making these cars? At some point they're just going to be undriveable at the limit by anybody other than the test drivers.
Still looking forward to watching a video of W1 vs F80 (maybe also throw a Chiron into the mix) on, like, carwow or something.
Mr Spaghetti says that these newfangled Zimmer frames are putting him off his meatballs.
I don't think hybrid is the problem but the simple. La ferrari/p1/918 were cool but now they have gone tesla mode. New trio feels more like a numbers tech fest over passion and fast moving art. Looks are subjective but the f80 not having a proper passager seat... C'mon
The F80 is ugly, it has no feng shui.... and nobody who has the money for an F80 aspires to have a v6. The only supercar that gets away with a v6 is a Porsche 911 and an nsx. Sorry, its not about always about track times, HAD IT BEEN at least a twin turbo v8 hybrid. it would have made all the difference. And lets be honest a hybrid supercar is not "saving the planet". There's something to be said about post modernity and cars its turning them to sh$t.
1000% agree
I'm most pissed off at the fact that when I will finally be able to afford a Lambo, the only options for new ones will be hybrids. Now I'll have to aim for a 10 year old car as my dream car. I hate how my dream car won't even be brand new anymore. I wanted a new one that I spec'd but I don't want the new Lambos for sure. :(
The industry has been stuck at that 217 number since at least the Aventador. We’re going backwards.
What's the 217 number?
@@zachjones2346 mph
Enzo is the last one they made that I’d kill for.
2:20 Mr Spaghetti finally reveals how he feels about us by spitting at his audience. 🤣
The new M5 is slower than the replacement, sums up the whole car industry’s now
They now have the new SF90 special edition. The 12 Cilindri, and now this F80. All at the same time. 3 hyper-giga-megacars all at the same time. Seems a bit much.
inb4 3000 hp mega ultra car
Rob is not only correct, he is speaking what is happening in the real world, look at the 458 market the last true Ferrari V8, it’s absolutely dominating all the new trash they have put out so far.
“Pretends like he doesn’t speak English” is the funniest thing I’ve heard 😂
The lip smacking is going crazy lately
Ferrari: plays Forza Horizon
Ferrari: my car is undrivable
Ferrari: makes the car AWD
AWD does not solve all problems pls stop making awd supercars
Cars with hybrid power trains will have horrible residuals. They may stay high for a bit, but then they will crash. Who wants a car with a battery that's about dead? And then if it cost 30,000 to replace a battery on a Hyundai, imagine that on a Ferrari.
i disagree. Hybrids have nothing to do with hyper cars being boring; its just that cars aren't as interesting because manufacturers have to deal with emission laws and other government policies. If Gordon Murray built a hybrid, i wouldn't have a problem with it cause i know he designed the car to have the best driving dynamics. Also, coming to your point about the W1 having a low top speed, the car can easily do more than 218 mph, its just the manufacturers don't advertise it with a higher top speed. Infact, a LaFerrari went 230+ mph on the autobahn even though Ferrari had marketed it as having a top speed of 218
The hybrid system has nothing to do with sound Rob, did you drive that 296 and say this hybrid system really sounds like shit? 🤔
Out of curisity what will you do with car replacements in the future? IE Lambo and Bentley are all hybrid only so will you not buy them?
Everyone loved the looks of the F40 and F50. Then the Enzo came out, all the people on the forums were saying it was ugly. Then the LaFerrari came out and everyone said it looked too much like the Enzo.
Now most people say the Enzo is beautiful. I think people will be changing their minds when they see the F80 in person... Then in 10 years they'll say it's beautiful.
People said the Eiffel Tower was ugly too.
I do agree with most your points tho Rob. The hypercars of today have lost the passion. It's too scientific now. Especially the Ferrari's and McLarens.
With age everything just becomes shitty. 😂 Bahh humbug.
The Ferrari 355/Acura NSX/Lotus Espirt are my favorite automotive designs. Throw in the Gallardo Superleggera in there too.
They’re competing against electric commuter cars now. Can’t have the new V12 hyper car being beaten by an electric sedan. No one’s going to care how nice it sounds if it’s not the fastest too.
I don't know, man.The revolto sounds amazing with an exhaust on it, and that's a hybrid
And it's V12?... Cmon Ferrari, do better... Now wonder Lambo sales have went up every year for the last 5 years. I understand the V6 has "Le Mans Heritage", but for a Halo Car, 3m car, it HAS to have a screaming V12
Kind of the same way AMG marketed the C63 with their F1 4 cylinder engine…an AMG must have a V8
@@markusstevensakabiginfinit9523 The V6 is de-tuned for LeMans to meet the 650HP limit as well, so it's not like they took the highly strung racecar engine and made it road legal like AMG did for the One, they took a 296 engine and modified it for LeMans.
Hyundai vision 74 is more interesting that a hyper Ferrari or McLaren, not only is it super cool but it is an attainable car. Hundreds of thousands no millions of dollars required
I'll keep dreaming.....
I'm at a car show I frequent, some guy is driving out in his new Ferrari, dead silent. I thought the idea behind Italian cars was, "Look at me!". The first part of that is the sound of the engine, it's like removing the smells from an Italian restaurant.
For me there isn't a car made today I have any interest in. They are all boring, they can be the fastest thing on earth. I could care less, I look for things that are unique in styling. I do not see any of them that are, there is a reason. They all fall under the the same regulations. Which means everybody has to follow the same rules. The designers hands are tied, there is more to it than that. But in the end it means things are just going to stagnate. Which has been happening for a long time.
I'm older than you Rob, I remember when R&T and C&D. Would have something interesting on the cover. Today I don't even know if those guys are still around.