I use CV gate of 5 stylophone 350S units for my awesome productions. Total cost when buying second hand units for me was two pounds seventy-three pence. I wouldn't be where I am today without legendary Rolfs input......................................which is currently Belle View Retirement Home..................For the elderley................and whiffy............... clinically insane...................... and demented.................broke...............fekked orf...............with tinnitus sounding just like my beloved 5 stylophone 350S units.................... that won't chuffing go away.........................and I is only 8 years old...................but...............if I could do it all again......................I wouldn't change a fekking fing........................honest!........................NNNNGGGGAAAAAARGGGHHNNNGGGGG!...............*BITES FIST AND WALKS OFF.................TO GET MEDICINES LIKE*
I want also add - arpeggiator at very high speed makes a polyphonic effect and also fast delay with feedback of course, or both ways together...my Bass station 2 was a great teacher due to this limitations...
Hi! I tend to use another interesting technique that consists on using an arpeggiator with a super fast rate through a reverb with a 100% of just the wet signal. This gives you a pad-like sound, which is specially great on the Grandmother because of its built-in spring reverb that gives a lot of character to the sound. Great video by the way! :)
thanks for the information that was essentially during the 70s- 80s . but people genuinely forget about theses tips and tricks. multi track a monosynth with different timbres and portamento / glide and you get evolving space like textures!!
Not sure exactly how effectively this would work, but for a somewhat authentic paraphonic sound, you could multisample the raw waveforms, bypassing the filter, with a basic on/off envelope, put it into Ableton sampler, take care of the amplitude envelope/pitch LFOs there, then route the sound from Ableton back into the grandmother and use the filter envelope which should still be triggered by the keys. I think it would work for basic chords, it would only suffer if you would want busy polyphonic textures with a lot of retriggering before a note fully dies away
I recorded Bass Station Rack demo (on my channel) with midi (so my hands are free for knob manipulation) multitracking and stereo effects. I personally prefer this method.
Dude just by using reverb (i recomend Eastwest spaces 2) together with haas effect you will see that after all,polysynths are mono sounds that were used with effects like reverb and haas effect (i mean not exactly the haas effect,but the time when none understands that haas effects exists)
The only "real" method is the poly chain, and you even didn't mention it!! It's the "real one" because you can play in real time with polyphony without recording/overdubbing. It is worth mentioning also because nowadays most musicians got more than one synth. I hope you update the video or got an idea for another one!
I did something similar with The Legend (minimoog emulation) and TAL's Sampler, although any sampler would do. I recorded a single note, slow attack, sustain all the way up and short decay, and threw it into the sampler. I made it so the sustained part of the note would loop indefinitely when held, and then created two more layers with the same sound, same envelope but slightly detuned. Now effectively, I have a three oscillator detuned polysynth. It sounds gorgeous. The only downside to this method is that the higher notes would have much faster attack and the lower ones would take a lot longer to reach the sustain portion, because of the way sampling works. As a plus, you can throw in a nice filter and sampling lo-fi effects in TAL's Sampler.
Hey man, have watched every GM you've made and am so close to pulling the plug on one! One question- could I use this a second keyboard to control the B Panel of my Nord Stage 3? I'm thinking I could still have a line out of both the Moog and the Nord, and so use the GM for true analogue when desired. However, if for a song I needed a separate keyboard to control a section of the Nord, I could keep midi plugged in, and just turn the master volume of the moog down and use it purely as a midi keyboard?
Aren't there plugins or so that send the first note of your chord to the synth, then receives the synth in one audio track. And then duplicates that track in how many voices you have and pitches each track (in real time) to all other notes of your chord?
has anyone done a mono to poly multi-timbral midi tracking plugin yet?, would be good if you could split the incoming signal and pitch the mono source according to the keys being played without sacrificing the adsr envelope.
There is also a midi note splitter that you can use to automate the process of converting a chord into various voices. type on youtube: GB.OnlyNNotes - Max For Live Device
I love monophonic synths, I use them in the commercially licensed music that I write and record. I have a Arturia Microbrute and a Behringer Cat, Crave and MS-1... Not just for making chord progressions but also with playing and recording along in a acoustic track. It give the tracks more depth.
While all of these methods work it is a long and complicated way to do things and is of no help to anybody who might want to play live . So is there a solution that is easier and more effective? Yes there is !!! I have an MS20 mini and being a guitarist also means that I have pedals that can be used. Running through a pitchshifter is the answer. Using a Whammy DT pedal I can have an octave above or below added for thickness of sound on one side of the pedal and set intervals of 2,3,4,5,6 or 7ths on the harmony side of the pedal creating big fat juicy chords live when pressing one key on the synth. If that is too complex or expensive then also there is the Zoom MS-70CDR pedal (which is awesome for synths) where you can dial up more than one pitchshifter in a program. Not only is thisso effective but it is a quick permanent solution and can truly make any mono synth sound fat and delicious :) Not seen anyone do this on You Tube yet either :)
Nice that sounds like a cool trick. Are the intervals bound to a scale? The only problem I have with static shifting (or pitching extra oscillators as intervals) is that they don't follow a scale. So if you create a major chord, you will get all major chords even as you play up the scale.
I find it strange, that monophonic synths for extremly high prices are still sooo accepted, although electronic hardware prices are constantly going down (well, if their isn't a global crisis at least). Sure, they have their space and you can have such workarounds for chords but I think the synth community still isn't giving enough backlash for many companies' tactic of weighing each voice in gold. If they want more than 1000 or 2000 bucks they should be expected to offer more than one damn voice. Without Behringer - despite their sometimes shady behaviour - (and also to some extent Novation) we probably would still resort to sampling mono synths and using 4 voice crutches insteads of actually affordable analog poly synths.
I do this lots of time with my ms20, mostly the first or the midi tracking method. But its never came to my mind to make a sample library. How dumb I'm!? Thanks for the video!
Does anyone happen to know if Grandmother can send and receive MIDI CCs with the knobs/knob functions? I'm guessing not, but you never know. Using the third technique would be better if you could.
hey hi. how i can set the midi channels on the grantmother?? there is a key combi but i don't know which one. what if i want to set the GM on all midi channels?? thx
Your videos are so cool. I wish I knew how to use music software. Is Abelton Live the same as Abelton 9 or 10? (New at this recording in DAW stuff. Used to using 4 track tape recorders back in the 1980s.)
Thanks again for some more entertaining tips. What is your name if you don’t mind me asking? Been doing a bit of this on my Dig-attack but I haven’t really needed to do it for the track I’m working on. I layered 2 samples on separate tracks just to try it and got a surprisingly weird result when the two triggered at the same time so I look forward to some future experimentation. To bad I can’t buy myself more free time. Hopefully I’ll get my weekends back soon w/ my job. Split days off suck.
At 4:19 when you recorded a sample and used the keyboard as just a midi, you forgot to put the sound output back through Grandmother, to get Hyperphony. btw i`m extremely curious how 8 linked Grandmothers would sound, against 1 Moog One.
Is it possible to play chords into Ableton, while also using the Arpeggiator on the Grandmother at the same time? I suppose you could just use Ableton at that point to do both, but just curious
Seems like everything has poly-chain now, so why don't these companies simply make modules to add on? It wouldn't need knobs, or a keyboard, just a black box.
If you know basic music theory, you can feed the output audio through a harmonizing pedal like the BOSS PS-6 Harmonizer. Instant chords! You do need to know what key you're playing in, which is probably a bummer for some of you synth-heads.
@@jzolghadr no just one for all of them. What's your problem? Are just single keys out of tune? If so, this could help you. www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/moog-grandmother-calibrate-and-update/
But those are samples created with the synthesizer no? So yeah after sampling it you use the keyboard basically like a midi keyboard, but the sound was created originally by your own synthesizer, what I find cool. (I am very new to these topics, sry if I understand sthg wrong)
If you're like me and came here trying to do this for software plugins, you can use Unify's PolyBox as demonstrated here: ua-cam.com/video/eIRyj5XFpWg/v-deo.html (This requires owning Unify which costs $80. Also I don't believe this will work on AAX plugins)
You title is a bit misleading as with these DAW tips you are of course not really turning a mono into a poly synth. But I wasn’t really expecting a chiptuning and soldering workshop ;-) And there are some really good ideas in your video. However, my personal favourite how to do that is to use Omnisphere’s fab hardware integration which currently supports approx 30 synths. It’s real fun to play poly patches on my BS2 ! Mind you, of course you are still playing Omni‘s VA patches. But with realtime synth controls that far exceed simple midi learn mappings. Last point: the idea of a mono synth is, well, being a mono synth. The playing technique is different from polys, there is no padding out of sounds but instead full enphasis on those mighty bass, lead and experimental sounds that only a good mono synth can produce. Of course you know that as with Moog’s Grandma you have such a mighty beast at your fingertips :-)
Another, far easier method is to simply buy 5 Grandmothers and play them in unison. You're all welcome.
brilliant
SAVAGE HAHAHAHAHA
You could always add a Blue Lantern Polyphobos to your rack if you have eurorack.
Hahaha love your way of thinking. 😅😅😅😅
I use CV gate of 5 stylophone 350S units for my awesome productions. Total cost when buying second hand units for me was two pounds seventy-three pence. I wouldn't be where I am today without legendary Rolfs input......................................which is currently Belle View Retirement Home..................For the elderley................and whiffy............... clinically insane...................... and demented.................broke...............fekked orf...............with tinnitus sounding just like my beloved 5 stylophone 350S units.................... that won't chuffing go away.........................and I is only 8 years old...................but...............if I could do it all again......................I wouldn't change a fekking fing........................honest!........................NNNNGGGGAAAAAARGGGHHNNNGGGGG!...............*BITES FIST AND WALKS OFF.................TO GET MEDICINES LIKE*
Pepe Guardiola you are a Genius! Thanks
I love your clarity and creativity. Missing your new videos and cyber musical presence.
Dude, I don't know what you eat for breakfast but the quality of the content you're putting out lately is amazing.
brady daniell-smith 😂
This was great! I had a quick go: this is the first time I've heard polyphony from my Dreadbox Hades. Thanks for the video.
I want also add - arpeggiator at very high speed makes a polyphonic effect and also fast delay with feedback of course, or both ways together...my Bass station 2 was a great teacher due to this limitations...
oh you're right! I often play "chords" by dubbing delay echos, forgot to mention that lol.
Hi! I tend to use another interesting technique that consists on using an arpeggiator with a super fast rate through a reverb with a 100% of just the wet signal. This gives you a pad-like sound, which is specially great on the Grandmother because of its built-in spring reverb that gives a lot of character to the sound. Great video by the way! :)
Great simple explanation of sampling synths! Applicable to all types of samplers.
But you missed one approach! Buy multiples and poly chain them :D
It sounds pretty good. Another advantage would be not loosing the fat low end sound you have with this moog mono synth!
Good video :)
Awesome tips, I need to try this with my Bass Station 2.
bass station needs some polyphonic hints, yyyess
thanks for the information that was essentially during the 70s- 80s . but people genuinely forget about theses tips and tricks. multi track a monosynth with different timbres and portamento / glide and you get evolving space like textures!!
yep ive been messin with these ideas in logic with the 37 and this video is spot on for theory.
Using an arpeggiator and some reverb also works.
I kept my roland jp8000 for over 20 years. I used it so little that I forgot to sell it. Now I am glad that I didn't.
You are à genius thank you so much
Just what I was looking for thanks mate
Best synth entry video on UA-cam. Short, well branded, great sound. Oh and your video content is also amazing :)
thanks!
Not sure exactly how effectively this would work, but for a somewhat authentic paraphonic sound, you could multisample the raw waveforms, bypassing the filter, with a basic on/off envelope, put it into Ableton sampler, take care of the amplitude envelope/pitch LFOs there, then route the sound from Ableton back into the grandmother and use the filter envelope which should still be triggered by the keys. I think it would work for basic chords, it would only suffer if you would want busy polyphonic textures with a lot of retriggering before a note fully dies away
You know I'm all about east coast synthesis. Moog is hand built here in my home-town, Asheville NC.
I recorded Bass Station Rack demo (on my channel) with midi (so my hands are free for knob manipulation) multitracking and stereo effects. I personally prefer this method.
so openminding; thank you!!
Dude just by using reverb (i recomend Eastwest spaces 2) together with haas effect you will see that after all,polysynths are mono sounds that were used with effects like reverb and haas effect (i mean not exactly the haas effect,but the time when none understands that haas effects exists)
This is a great video, thanks for sharing.
Wow this can be done with the korg monologue too! Nice video!
Great tip :) another tip from my side: you can multi-sample extremely quick and accurate with Mainstage and the auto-sampler ;)
Das stimmt.......also, If I'm not mistaken, it auto samples different velocities?
you can multi-sample different velocities, there is a velocity layer feature in the interface ;)
Always learn something new... thanks!
nice! I do this with the sub37 all the time but I'm finally going to use the multi sample zone thing in simpler. thanks!
nice, just wanted to say i enjoy your app, my modular is still small but having few lfo's out of your app is very nice! (i'm using MI cv pal).
Great tip, thanks!
Thank you! It was helpful info for me!
nice, glad it was helpful!
Damn I need to get Ableton and a laptop. I'm using FL studio rn but I got a few hardware synths
The only "real" method is the poly chain, and you even didn't mention it!! It's the "real one" because you can play in real time with polyphony without recording/overdubbing. It is worth mentioning also because nowadays most musicians got more than one synth. I hope you update the video or got an idea for another one!
Whatcha mean?
Cool tips, I've been doing the sampler notes and using Ableton on my bass station 2, but I might try your other tips
Using Moog to play sampled Moog.
I did something similar with The Legend (minimoog emulation) and TAL's Sampler, although any sampler would do.
I recorded a single note, slow attack, sustain all the way up and short decay, and threw it into the sampler. I made it so the sustained part of the note would loop indefinitely when held, and then created two more layers with the same sound, same envelope but slightly detuned. Now effectively, I have a three oscillator detuned polysynth. It sounds gorgeous. The only downside to this method is that the higher notes would have much faster attack and the lower ones would take a lot longer to reach the sustain portion, because of the way sampling works. As a plus, you can throw in a nice filter and sampling lo-fi effects in TAL's Sampler.
awesome that sounds cool. I love these kinds of franken-synths that combine layers with slight changes in params.
It's one of the things that makes samplers so interesting to work with. I even made a polysynth out of an old rumbling fridge!
Hey man, have watched every GM you've made and am so close to pulling the plug on one! One question- could I use this a second keyboard to control the B Panel of my Nord Stage 3? I'm thinking I could still have a line out of both the Moog and the Nord, and so use the GM for true analogue when desired. However, if for a song I needed a separate keyboard to control a section of the Nord, I could keep midi plugged in, and just turn the master volume of the moog down and use it purely as a midi keyboard?
Aren't there plugins or so that send the first note of your chord to the synth, then receives the synth in one audio track. And then duplicates that track in how many voices you have and pitches each track (in real time) to all other notes of your chord?
has anyone done a mono to poly multi-timbral midi tracking plugin yet?, would be good if you could split the incoming signal and pitch the mono source according to the keys being played without sacrificing the adsr envelope.
Any videos on how to turn a monophonic vsti to a polyphonic? That's all I'm looking for But no videos about the software
Thanks for the recap! I'll try on neutron and matrixbrute, no more money for any poly Synth left anyway :)
MPC's autosampler does all this
Nice overview!
There is also a midi note splitter that you can use to automate the process of converting a chord into various voices. type on youtube: GB.OnlyNNotes - Max For Live Device
great and multiple tip :) thanks
great tutorial!
thanks Ryan
Would a extreamly fast apregiator be a better solution?
I love monophonic synths, I use them in the commercially licensed music that I write and record. I have a Arturia Microbrute and a Behringer Cat, Crave and MS-1... Not just for making chord progressions but also with playing and recording along in a acoustic track. It give the tracks more depth.
While all of these methods work it is a long and complicated way to do things and is of no help to anybody who might want to play live . So is there a solution that is easier and more effective? Yes there is !!! I have an MS20 mini and being a guitarist also means that I have pedals that can be used. Running through a pitchshifter is the answer. Using a Whammy DT pedal I can have an octave above or below added for thickness of sound on one side of the pedal and set intervals of 2,3,4,5,6 or 7ths on the harmony side of the pedal creating big fat juicy chords live when pressing one key on the synth. If that is too complex or expensive then also there is the Zoom MS-70CDR pedal (which is awesome for synths) where you can dial up more than one pitchshifter in a program. Not only is thisso effective but it is a quick permanent solution and can truly make any mono synth sound fat and delicious :) Not seen anyone do this on You Tube yet either :)
Nice that sounds like a cool trick. Are the intervals bound to a scale? The only problem I have with static shifting (or pitching extra oscillators as intervals) is that they don't follow a scale. So if you create a major chord, you will get all major chords even as you play up the scale.
And this is why these forums are awesome. Thanks to both of you guys for the amazing tips. I’ll be firing up the ole ms70 tonight.
I find it strange, that monophonic synths for extremly high prices are still sooo accepted, although electronic hardware prices are constantly going down (well, if their isn't a global crisis at least). Sure, they have their space and you can have such workarounds for chords but I think the synth community still isn't giving enough backlash for many companies' tactic of weighing each voice in gold. If they want more than 1000 or 2000 bucks they should be expected to offer more than one damn voice.
Without Behringer - despite their sometimes shady behaviour - (and also to some extent Novation) we probably would still resort to sampling mono synths and using 4 voice crutches insteads of actually affordable analog poly synths.
I do this lots of time with my ms20, mostly the first or the midi tracking method. But its never came to my mind to make a sample library. How dumb I'm!? Thanks for the video!
how do you enable the note back? pressing zero?
But how can you do this without PC???????
Does anyone happen to know if Grandmother can send and receive MIDI CCs with the knobs/knob functions? I'm guessing not, but you never know. Using the third technique would be better if you could.
I wonder if the beginning of little red corvette chords are recorded in this manner, the first or second one I mean, it has a very similar effect
Is it there any cheap hardware polyphonic sampler out there ?
Хорошее дело делаете, товарищ ))
hey hi. how i can set the midi channels on the grantmother?? there is a key combi but i don't know which one. what if i want to set the GM on all midi channels?? thx
Your videos are so cool. I wish I knew how to use music software. Is Abelton Live the same as Abelton 9 or 10? (New at this recording in DAW stuff. Used to using 4 track tape recorders back in the 1980s.)
You can daisy chain synths to increase polyphony too right?
Thanks again for some more entertaining tips. What is your name if you don’t mind me asking?
Been doing a bit of this on my Dig-attack but I haven’t really needed to do it for the track I’m working on. I layered 2 samples on separate tracks just to try it and got a surprisingly weird result when the two triggered at the same time so I look forward to some future experimentation.
To bad I can’t buy myself more free time. Hopefully I’ll get my weekends back soon w/ my job. Split days off suck.
At 4:19 when you recorded a sample and used the keyboard as just a midi, you forgot to put the sound output back through Grandmother, to get Hyperphony.
btw i`m extremely curious how 8 linked Grandmothers would sound, against 1 Moog One.
Is it possible to play chords into Ableton, while also using the Arpeggiator on the Grandmother at the same time? I suppose you could just use Ableton at that point to do both, but just curious
Can you get polyphony by using a midi controller like the arturia keystep?
I thought you'll show how to mod a physical synth to play as paraphonic. Your technique is known for centuries...
You can simulate polyphony with delay.
I kept shouting "use the auto transpose on your DAW" on 3 staged tracks before the wailing metronome made me do this....
Seems like everything has poly-chain now, so why don't these companies simply make modules to add on? It wouldn't need knobs, or a keyboard, just a black box.
Haven't heard about the Simpler on Ableton before, it seems great! Does anyone know of a similar plugin for Logic?
you could do the same sort of thing with exs24
Get the minimoog vst, it has a polysynth switch.
Funny, it'd be easier to buy a Matriarch.
matriach monmo
The Matriarch is paraphonic, not true polyphonic though, so.. kinda. Plus it's like twice the price.
If you know basic music theory, you can feed the output audio through a harmonizing pedal like the BOSS PS-6 Harmonizer. Instant chords! You do need to know what key you're playing in, which is probably a bummer for some of you synth-heads.
Any idea how to get microtuning out of this bad boy?
Micro Tuning? There's a little fine tune knob in the back where the outs and ins are. If that's what you mean
@@valentingramm5801 One for each key?
@@jzolghadr no just one for all of them. What's your problem? Are just single keys out of tune? If so, this could help you.
www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/moog-grandmother-calibrate-and-update/
just use Ohnisphere
Sure, sample it and turn your $1000 synth into midi keyboard.
The rest are good advices, though.
Sell the samples in a pack and pay for your next $1000 synth
But those are samples created with the synthesizer no? So yeah after sampling it you use the keyboard basically like a midi keyboard, but the sound was created originally by your own synthesizer, what I find cool. (I am very new to these topics, sry if I understand sthg wrong)
If you're like me and came here trying to do this for software plugins, you can use Unify's PolyBox as demonstrated here: ua-cam.com/video/eIRyj5XFpWg/v-deo.html (This requires owning Unify which costs $80. Also I don't believe this will work on AAX plugins)
Too much work but I can dig it.
You should have hooked Ribn up to simpler during this video
heh true, I need to start using it more in my vids
I thought we were done with this masterclass commercial: "Cheech Cheech Cheech Cheech...I look for a tone."
Sarcasm mode on: “Oh it would never have occurred to me to do that”.
the grandmother is in my top 10 favorite synths but i like it less because its 900 dollars and you cant play chords with out cheating the system.
I hate Monopoly, it's remind me of bad Christmas with my family
That, or use a soft synth
That's one clickbait-y title you got there, mate. But good video nonetheless. Thanks.
Saam you watch the video though?????
You title is a bit misleading as with these DAW tips you are of course not really turning a mono into a poly synth. But I wasn’t really expecting a chiptuning and soldering workshop ;-) And there are some really good ideas in your video. However, my personal favourite
how to do that is to use Omnisphere’s fab hardware integration which currently supports approx 30 synths. It’s real fun to play poly patches on my BS2 ! Mind you, of course you are still playing Omni‘s VA patches. But with realtime synth controls that far exceed simple midi learn mappings. Last point: the idea of a mono synth is, well, being a mono synth. The playing technique is different from polys, there is no padding out of sounds but instead full enphasis on those mighty bass, lead and experimental sounds that only a good mono synth can produce. Of course you know that as with Moog’s Grandma you have such a mighty beast at your fingertips :-)