Chicago and St. Louis Compared
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Mr. Beat compares and contrasts Chicago and St. Louis, who once competed to be the America's Next Top Model, er, I mean America's Next Top Midwestern City.
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Chicago, Illinois and St. Louis, Missouri
Two American Midwestern cities just 260 miles (418 km) apart, although if you’ve seen Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, you’d think they were a lot further away than that.
Wait, why I am comparing these two cities? Why not Chicago and Houston? Or St. Louis and Kansas City? Doesn’t that make more sense.
Well kind of. But I’m comparing Chicago and St. Louis because those two cities were once in direct competition to become the biggest and most important city in the Midwest. I’m making this video in collaboration with Dave from the channel City Beautiful. On his channel, he has a video explaining why and how Chicago beat out St. Louis to indeed become THE biggest, most important Midwestern city. Be sure to check it out after you’re done watching this one.
Once upon a time, it was actually St. Louis that appeared to be destined to become the biggest, most important American Midwestern city. First of all, St. Louis is older than Chicago. It was founded by the French in 1764, after they lost the Seven Years’ War. Basically, French settlers fled there from the east after the British took over their former territory. For its first 38 years, St. Louis was under Spanish control. So while the French lived there, the Spanish guarded the town during that time. In those early years, St. Louis established itself as a major fur trading center. In 1803, when it had maybe 1,000 people living there, the United States bought Louisiana from France after it briefly took it back over. St. Louis, being in Louisiana, was now an American city, and became the administrative capital of all of Louisiana Territory. After Lewis and Clark left St. Louis exploring this vast territory, others would follow, and the city became a hub for folks on their way out to the “Wild West.”
St. Louis steadily grew, it’s population nearing 5,000 by 1830. In 1833, when St. Louis was 69 years old, Chicago was finally born. I mean, St. Louis was a creepy old man by the time Chicago came around. While St. Louis was mostly a fur trading hub, Chicago quickly became a transportation hub, a way to connect the east, where most Americans lived, to the west. It was the site of the Illinois and Michigan Canal, completed in 1848 to connect the Great Lakes to the Mississippi River. After a couple decades, it became the most important railroad city in the country.
Dave's video: ua-cam.com/video/JyuZi9fHC4Y/v-deo.html
Sami's full, epic rant: ua-cam.com/video/9Z_fN9i6qEI/v-deo.html
I know, I know. Perhaps it seems like I wasn't that fair to St. Louis. But what I'm really saying is that it's a prime time to move to St. Louis. Get in before it gets hot again!
Which two non-American places should I compare next? Which do you like better, St. Louis or Chicago?
Montreal and Toronto
Mr. Beat Compare Columbus, Ohio and Indianapolis, Indiana next. Both are about directly in the middle of their state, both have almost the exact same population. They're less than 200 miles from each other both off of I-70 and they are both state capitals!
São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro? I'd like to see your take on that...
Kinshasa and Brazzaville
You could take "New Cairo" recent idea and do one with purposely-built capitals in the last 100 years, like Islamabad and Brasilia.
Or maybe St. Petersburg and Washington, if you are going to another time-frame.
STL gang like this comment.
Stl gang 💯💯💯💯💯
Gangs ruined St Louis
What high school you from?
Kirkwood
You ain't no thoroughbred mr. Kirkwood
Chicago is basically a compact sized New York while St.Louis is more of old school historic city.
Chicago is a cleaner and less glamorous NYC. Also the people in Chicago are generally nicer too.
Chicago's very historic.
@@vexxevxevvex2622 Chicago is cleaner and does not smell bad like NYC. The Loop is just if not more IMO glamorous than Manhattan (I prefer the Loop) but both are great. The people are more laid back and much friendlier in Chicago. In my experience about half the people (not talking about the south side) are stoic and just keep to themselves but will say excuse me if they cut you off while walking. The other half are very friendly and always want to offer a helping hand. In NYC they bump into you and keep going, and are pretty rude. In all my trips to NYC, never once did a person say excuse me to me. NYC is more trendy in clothing regardless how awful the trend looks on a lot of people and are very commercial. In Chicago there are trendy people but a lot just wear what they want according to their own taste and personality. Overall, I much more prefer Chicago, specifically the Loop and North side of the city the most. NYC is my second fav city specifically Manhattan.
@@notsure6187 True, I love the architecture in Chicago.
Chicago is what NYC would be if it it only consisted of Manhattan and Queens.
St Louis is the current home of the Stanley cup.
Amen to that!
GO BLUES SINGING GLORIA
LGB!!!
💯
Gloria!!! Lets Go Blues!!
It’s funny how they think we cared about the rams.
Exactly
Yea true
You see Cardinals and Blues banners, you see Fredbird Plushes and Stanley Cup 2019 T-Shirts. Would we care about a Rams Super Bowl game? Would we throw parades and parties? Would we scream so loud that some people go deaf? NO! Would we buy Super Bowl T-Shrits? NO! Would we CARE? NO! We’re fine with MLB and NHL teams and don’t need an NFL team.
LA doesn't; care about them. Even when they made the super bowl they didn't care.
whoo what! ??? ohhhhhh yah sports!
St. Louis will always have a special place in my heart.
Wait you're from Missouri????
Dreams Really Do Come True.
Wait why are you here xD
@@xjack9955x you really don't know St. Louis if you think those areas solely define it.
@@xjack9955x I know, i agree with you, but just like any other city, St. Louis has many good parts and many bad parts.
My heart is in Chicago but I moved to central illinois because of my job. Then years later Barnes Jewish hospital in st.louis saves my life from a massive brain tumor. Don't judge me or a city.
Who was you doctor and which one i got someone who needs one removed fr fr 😹
I was born at Barnes Jewish Hospital in 2000
Barnes-Jewish is one of the top hospitals in the nation, if not the world.
My heart is in Austin.
This is because Austin is where I live.
I was born im illinois but moved to missouri when i was four, does that make me true illinois person?
New Orleans and St Louis would've been a more interesting comparison
David Osterberg Colorado
@David Osterberg st Louis park is small suburb of Minneapolis
They're both swamps.
More like New Orleans vs Baltimore.....maybe Tampa/St Pete
@@levimattingly7995 lol what
“Drink the poo water” Sir you’ve clearly NEVER tasted Saint Louis water. It is the best water ever
I actually think it's rated among the best if not the best in the country.
@@papadaddy1103 : I moved away from St. Louis for almost 30 years. I relocated back and I had forgotten how good St. Louis water is.
@@williejohnson5172 I used to be a trucker and went out to New Mexico one time. Ate at a diner and they gave me brown water! I was like WTF!
@@papadaddy1103 : I lived out east for decades and drank almost exclusively bottled water or filtered water. The water was always heavily chlorinated and always had some kind of off taste. I only drink tap water now since I'm back in St. Louis.
I never wanted to taste tap water so bad now cause Chicago tap water is nasty
They talk about St. Louis losing the rams like that's a bad thing, HA!
Especially after the piece John Oliver did that proved having sports teams is actually a negative. (plus I find sports to be boring)
Losing the Rams was an awful thing...losing Kroenke was a godsend.
Periodttttt
I agree, we dont need any racist, anti-American anti-religion NFL team here.
@Susie Long low IQ post
Ahhh Chicago! The city where all the familes in 80s movies live!
Yes sir, John Hughes filmed a lot in suburbs around the city 😀 and that movie Steve Martin did with all the kids. I think they lived in a big house in Evanston
Isn’t Ferris beuller in chiraq?
They filmed the Blues Brothers mall chase scene in south suburban Harvey my hometown....Dixie Square Mall💯
And MARRIED WITH CHILDREN / they lived in Schaumburg Illinois, a Chicago suburb .
Home Alone , the Fugitive , Adventures in Babysitting ...
STL FOR LIFE!!!! stl is very underrated. we have botanical gardens, an amazing zoo, many museums, busch stadium, enterprise center, amazing restaurants and toasted ravioli/bbq, and of course, the arch. we might also be getting a soccer team:)
We also have an XFL team
Chicago has 2x more of what st Louis has
@@johnf.kennedy Okay...does it make it any better? Lol. Don't trash talk about my city of St. Louis
Cookie Monster So does it make it any better? Uhh no shit Sherlock, it does 😂
Cookie Monster So HA! did I hurt your feelings “dumb bitch”? 😂 never said it was a perfect city just saying that Chicago is better than STL . Lmao “St. Louis stand up!” lol what a shit joke, everyone there is too busy fucking their cousins or killing each other.
"Another thing I discovered while researching was that a lot of St. Louis folks talk trash about Chicago, yet Chicago doesn't even pay attention to St. Louis."
Then proceeds to show a minute and a half video of a Chicago folk talking trash about St. Louis.
You didn't research enough lol.
St.louis hate people from Illinois most in the hood parts of you leave your car over their at night and has Illinois plates they breaking in your car and shit
david Frazier Uh no we don’t. We don’t really pay attention to anything in Illinois outside of Chicago tbh. Most people go to Illinois to get their licenses plate over their because it’s cheaper.
Neon Lights I don’t know every time I go down their someone all ways try to break In my shit tho
I live in St.louis and sorry we don’t talk about Chicago. I personally think Chicago is a great place.
@@davidfrazier6536 you must be soft
I believe that St. Louis has more sunny days Chicago definitely has more snow days and St. Louis is about 15 degrees warmer overall than Chicago
You can't beat Chicago's Summers. It might hit 90 degrees and humid for a day or two but then turns on a dime and goes to 75 with low to no humidity with that cool breeze from the lake for a couple of weeks. Another couple of really hot days and then another two or three weeks of 70's weather. I love Chicago's Summers. The Winter, is another story though and you will freeze your ass off.
that's not your belief, it's facts
@@drewmantia you try living next to one of the great lakes🤷🏻♂️
@@heyxylence I used to live one block from Lake Michigan
You’re wrong, most of Chicago’s summer especially in July and August are very sunny, and it’s not sticky heat like it is in St. Louis. St. Louis is brutal in the summer, so humid
St. Louis also has the Largest Bosnian population outside of Europe
animalia555 yeah and they stink
Brad Luck lmao you are fucked up dude smh
@@jamesnoce1686 yes they do of B.O., tobacco and smoked goat.
@@qbanz00 if you are from St. Louis you would know all I stated is fact.
Brad Luck Not all Bosnians are Muslims. The ones that are Muslim are called “Bosniaks.”
Bosnian is not an ethnicity or (obviously) a religion. It’s just a geographical area that was zoned, and is made up of different ethnicities and religions. .
There areSerbian-Bosnians and Croatian-Bosnians, as well. These are the ones that didn’t covert to Islam. The Serbian and Croatian Bosnians are Christian.
Did this man just diss st louis when we have that good crisp aquafina? I didnt think so
St. Louis has some of the BEST surgeons and doctors in the U.S., if not the world.
You Misspelled Houston
@@labgirl3501 it doesn't artificially lower the population, it's the definition of the city. They don't take Cook County for measuring Chicago, they measure just the city limits of Chicago who does have over 2 million within the city limits. If the city and county never split originally, then St Louis would normally include the county, but since they did, it now doesn't, thus the city population is pathetically low (which is why metropolitan regions SHOULD be included in everything since the metro area supports the city).
Yeah, so does every other large US city, what's your point?
Yeah we got some of the best doctors we have one of the best medical schools in the country here people actually come from all over the world to go to medical school in St Louis
US has the best everything in the world, so...
A 14 minute comparison? Epic video, my friend!
Yeah I got a little...carried away. Thanks for collaborating with me for this. I loved your video!
I love both your channels! Been watching them independently for a year. By the way City Beautiful, I live in Vacaville and always love traveling between sac and the bay. It’s cool to know I’m kind of in your neighborhood. You should do a video on sac and convince me to like it. I lived in Tucson for a while so the heat is a non issue but I hate how flat the city is. And forgive me if I’m wrong but I just can’t think of anything unique to Sac. You should prove me wrong in a video! 🤠
How about comparing Cleveland and Cincinnati?
Well he compared Cleveland and Detroit and Hopefully Louisville and Cincinnati
Lived in St Louis for the first 21 years of my life, places like Black Jack, Olivette, and Ballwin...and now I’ve just moved to Oklahoma City. I miss Missouri and my hometown
As a native St. Louisan, I can honestly say we LOVE Chicago while hating the Cubs. Visiting Chicago 2-3 times a year is always fun. 😊
As a Chicagoan I love St. Louis and the people there.
Born n raised in Stl but I love Chicago’s Skyline... GO CARDS
Chicago is better than st Louis
@@hardypele5066 Don't be an ignorant bitch. Stop trying to start drama
I'm from Chicago and got family in st Louis
Enjoyed the comparison. I have spent an inordinate amount of time in both.
The way I describe St Louis to people who don't know it is that St. Louis learned everything the hard way. They had the first urban freeway rammed through a residential neighborhood. I-55 was rammed through Soulard, a neighborhood that looked more like DC's Georgetown, and I-70 jammed through North St. Louis. In the case of North St. Louis, the free way cut off all the residential housing from where the jobs were! St. Louis experienced white flight very early. They lost their transit system to buses and corruption very early. St. Louis also experienced heavy racial injustice and riots much earlier than Chicago did. The East St. Louis riot of 1917 was horrific. Fun fact, East St. Louis's entire black population was originally from just 4 counties in Mississippi, recruited to be strikebreakers against Armour packing.
Culturally both cities have an extraordinary sense of humor and have produced some very funny people. St. Louis has also contributed extraordinarily to musical history (more so than Chicago in many ways). Tina Turner, Miles David, Chuck Berry...the list goes on and on. Chicago, by comparison, has been much more successful in the film world. It reminds me a lot of Pittsburgh and Cleveland, Pittsburgh has virtually no successful musical acts, but is incredible in the film world. Cleveland, the opposite.
Chicago technically has three commercial airports (Gary, ORD, MDW) and St Louis has 2 (STL and BLV). St. Louis had the first enclosed airport terminal in the world, which is what everyone else based their design after.
St. Louis did once have two Baseball teams, NBA Hawks, NFL Cardinals, and NHL Blues.
Neither city is representative of their state's overall cultures. Most Chicagoans came to the city from the East and have very little knowledge of the rest of the state. Many St Louisans came from New Orleans or from the East, same issue, little knowledge of the rest of their state. I think overall, St. Louis is just a lot more interesting and has more topography. Chicago has more going for it economically, but man, all of those suburbs look identical. The St. Louis accent is unrelated to anywhere else in the state or region.
The areas you missed:
Segregation deeply hurt St. Louis as people traveling from Coast to Coast by rail didn't want to have to pass through a segregated state to change trains. Better to go via Chicago.
The Chicago fire killed Chicago's brewing industry which is why St. Louis and Milwaukee succeeded in that industry.
The loss of the TWA hub also deeply hurt St. Louis's competitiveness.
St. Louis county seceding from St. Louis city in 1877 was the key event that caused the population to decline.
The older (I would say more interesting) cities in the Midwest, Detroit, Cincinnati and St. Louis suffered from racial violence and disaster more so than their peers. As a result, boring flat cities like Chicago, Indianapolis, and Minneapolis have grown exponentially at the expense of cities that have contributed more to American culture.
For more info, I'd take a look at "Nine Nations of North America." Thanks for making the video. Adam
Quality comment, Adam. Thanks for sharing. I'm pinning this.
Great analysis. I haven't seen a city with better quality housing stock than St. Louis. I've never been to a city that has the architectural details that the homes St. Louis have.
Brick mansions for literally miles, unfortunately many in decay but still ....The guy in the video was bragging about Chicago being this great architectural playground. And perhaps that true but let any Chicagoan go to the Central West End and they will not believe the staggering opulence of the homes there and their relatively cheap prices.
bigoldhouses.blogspot.com/2014/08/oz-in-st-louis.html
And though this particular section of the Central West End is gated and well preserved you can easily buy one of these types of houses relatively cheap all over the city.
These types of houses are everywhere in the city. And I'm talking not the county (even though Clayton and U city has some of these same types of marvels) but in the heart of the city. Check out the houses in Lafayette Park, Benton Park, Pershing Place, Soulard District, down along Russel and Flora and Kingsbury, and the houses in the Shaw district.
Opps. Forgot Compton Heights
www.stlmag.com/history/the-genius-of-julius-pitzman%2C-designer-of-st.-louis%27-private/
Great recap. When you mentioned The Nine Nations of North America, I thought I'd written this! 😏
Another thing to mention is the bricks made out of Saint Louis clay is supposedly the best in the Midwest. :)
One issue with your comment.
It was St. Louis City that seceded from St. Louis County.
Not the other way around.
"St. Louis was already a creepy old man by the time Chicago came around"
I don't think I've heard many better quotes in a history video.
Haha thanks :)
Nowhere near as creepy as New Orleans.
Come on, we all know Las Vegas is the true perverted old man of major US cities
@@coyotelong4349 Las Vegas is the perverted young man of US cities. New Orleans is the dirty old perverted man of US cities.
@@robertpreskop4425 New Orleans is the creepy French uncle
Stl 314 da lou I'm born and raised
Carlyn Giden 💪🏽💯🙏🏽 yep
And on the playground is where i spent most of my days
STL is the best let that sink in
312. Wassup? Chitown all the way.
Same here fam
St. Louis didn’t “get rid of” the Rams. A man who shall remain unnamed did and he trashed all STL sports fans to do it. I’d love to have the Rams here but how could they ever succeed in the Lou when you have an owner who never wanted them to in the first place?
They always wanted them In LA. They were drug into the ground and then forced to move. It sucks
I'm a Chicagoan myself and totally agree that the city has way more going for it than St. Louis, but it's really not a fair comparison in my opinion. Having visited St. Louis before and thoroughly enjoyed my time there, especially at City museum and the southern neighborhoods, I think it's important to appreciate each city relativistically, and not in absolute terms. I think St. Louis is trying its best to improve, so no need to put it down.
Andy Koteras yeah, we are pretty cool, besides we have a better baseball team..
Ferguson Missouri
Exactly. Cities like St. Louis and Detroit need all the help they can get. When those cities win, America wins. Everyone knows Chicago is a major US hub. Duh.
Andy Koteras yesss I agree. I love my hometown ♥️. One of the most charitable cities in the US. We are trying to improve
Next time you go to St Louis, check out Historic St Charles. It's a quint little walking street that has like cobblestone roads, there are some small businesses, it's right off the Missouri River that you can walk right up next to it, great small cookie business, and other things like a cute little book store, a soda bar or whatever, etc etc. Also a decent cafe is right up the road, a hipster little place called Crooked Tree. It's an overlooked area.
Also forest park is decent.
As someone who grew up in University City (a quarter mile from St.Louis) it’s sad to see the city’s decline, I would rather live here than Chicago because of the weather, and also I think you should have mentioned Forest Park more than just the art museum.
Forrest park is nice as is the science center and the zoo there. But then you can counter with the Field museum, Shedd aquarium, museum of science and industry, Adler planetarium and the beach/park along the whole length of the city along lake Michigan.
devildart I’ve been to all of the things that you mentioned, and they’re nice, but if you include the weather I’d prefer STL I was on the navy pier last June and it had a windchill of like 40 degrees feirenhight, and last April when I went, it was freezing.
@@henrynarkiewicz8778 depends on what kind of weather you like. I like the more mild days in Chicago then the four months in the blast furnace called the St louis summer.
devildart I have a high heat tolerance and a low cold tolerance, I would have trouble living somewhere in the northern US
@@henrynarkiewicz8778 yeah, I live in both cities currently and it is always at least 10 degrees cooler in Chicago.
I actually drove from St. Louis to Chicago last week
Me and my dad drive from southern kansas to northern chicago last month
I have passed St Louis two times in my life but been to Chicago once this year
you forgot to mention lions choice and imos pizza wow smh
Now I want Lion's Choice even though I had it for lunch today
@@katesmith8897 i have to drive 25 minutes just to go to a lion choice but luckily one is getting built 15 minutes from me now
Facts
You'll forgive them for forgetting to mention fast food. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
IMOSSSSS
St. Louis and Kansas City, please?
Do you even live in Missouri?
Kansas City is 10,000,000,000,000 better than St.Louis
Kansas city had tech 9 and puddle of mudd. St. Louis has the urge and nelly
StL has better entertainment and is more densly populated. KC isnt congested and its kinda dull but its a good place to live and raise a family.
St. Louis sucks balls
I am from St. Louis!!!! I love it so much!
TheLapyx ewwwwww why? I’m from there but I moved out and realized how awful it was
britton coil parts of the city are nice places to live, for example I live in a clean walkable part of the city (or county technically by 1/4 mile) with very little crime beyond the occasion car robbery, and it’s a nice place to live.
Henry Nark I don’t mind the county as much but it’s still so boring
britton coil there’s still stuff to do for example most of forest park is free, there are things like the city museum
Why? I could understand loving it 30 years ago but in the past 25 it has become an absolute dump of a city.
St. Louis - located in "The Show Me State"; Chicago - located in "The Show Me the Money State"
Underrated comment
Not going to lie I got super pissed off at the end.
Me too
Me too
As a Chicagoan, I'm deeply sorry for that. Most of us actually have respect for St Louis and aren't unneccessarily egotistical about our city. I actually love your city especially since I have family who live there.
It’s like comparing Louisville to New York
Yeah he looks like a bellend.
Texas and California Compared
Texas vs. Florida would be better.
No, Texas and California would be better.
@@K.B.Williams no comparing Texas and Florida would make more sense especially now with their burgeoning political shift.
Robert Preskop Texaa and California are the only states Ive heard of that could be their own independent superpower countries.
GoTeamTexas
How about Tokyo vs Seoul?
What about Seoul vs Pyongyang instead?
You stole my idea >:-O
Hong Kong vs. Shanghai.
Better Tokyo vs Kyoto.
Hong Kong vs Shanghai?
Being from St.Louis I enjoy how crap our city is.
TubularTybo Is OK but in a good kind of way
Honestly, I mean there are at least a few good things about it...but I don't wanna live here anymore- it isn't safe here
@@meeks569 Anywhere isn't safe. Every city has crime.
@@cookiemonsterso3950 Most cities have much less likelihood of being gunned down by a stranger. I was born in St. Louis and left at 33. I think many people in St. Louis have a version of Stockholm syndrome. If they could get over it, maybe they could turn things around.
@@YSLRD Like I said: Any city that has violence in it, isn't a good city. I was born and raised in St. Louis. I know my city isn't the greatest, but it holds a special place in my heart. People from other cities can't say the cities they're from are better. All cities have violence. If your city is violent, then you can't call it better than any other city
I live in STL Home of the Stanley cup
ARMY!!
Omg me too-
Narumae yess ARMY
@TYRESE MOORE And when's the last time you won it? Lol
@TYRESE MOORE We gotta stop comparing cities. Every city has crime in it. Every city is bad
Wow! Being from Sweden, Europe, I hardly knew anything of St Louis, more than that my grandma used to listen to St Louis blues with an old singer named Alberta Hunter. So this was indeed a great lection for me to learn more about the American history, aswell as your geography. Great video as usual, mr Beat!
Thank you so much! Yeah, I felt that it was important to dive more deeply into the history of these two cities for this one. :D
Personally I've been to both cities but St Louis will always be in my heart.
I appreciate that😀
Nah Chicago because it’s more safer St. Louis is just a dead city and east St. Louis
@Freddy Meissner ok I’m wrong being emotional there actually both dangerous though St. Louis is more dangerous
@@gaming_sportsaaron1365 That’s cap on the “safe” part because Chicago is marked like the first most dangerous city in the U.S
@@nastyrat8978that’s a lie u making stuff up
So we got it finally: St Louis didn't encourage rail growth to protect the river boat industry. Ooopps! Seems like a mistake given the rivers run more north-south & the railroads more east-west. I'm happy St Louis is the smaller, less expensive, less crowded & therefore better place to live. No place is perfect but St Louis is easy-going, welcoming & affordable compared to most cities I've lived in. Thank you St Louis for not being Chicago.
Facts bro
Would just like to say that Chicago is ranked as an Alpha Global City, so Chicago would have a key role with the global economy as a result of it having the infrastructure, services, and more transportation to serve the global economy. And what i can tell from google satellite view is that there are no beaches in St Louis, compared to Chicago which has beaches on the Lakefront. One of Chicago’s suburbs is also home to one of the world’s fee Baha’i Temples. Chicago neighborhoods in the North Side have also gone through gentrification during the 2000s, but the gentrifying neighborhoods are in proximity to the downtown area. The city has more international tourists that come to visit due to the fact that more international airlines and international passenger and cargo flights that operate to Chicago, a hint that Chicago is a global city as mentioned before. St Louis’s Airport only serves passenger and cargo flights within the US-only. In conclusion, Chicago is becoming an important global city that helps contribute to the world’s economy. Also i’m not Polish but Chicago has a large amount of Polish people living in the city, so that means Polish is most likely the third most spoken language in Illinois behind English and Spanish.
I am from ballwin if you know where that is
You can say that again!
@@cookiemonsterso3950 Just opinion sista.
I'm from Saint Louis and the old city leaders kept making mistakes that lead to the decline of our city in the future. They denied the railroad because they wanted to stop the protect the river industry. They also separated St. Louis country freezing the borders. Once suburbanization hit everyone left for the county leaving the city shrinking and causing crime rates. The county refuses it to join back and annex so it frozen in its border losing population. It could have been the size of Chicago if they were constantly shooting themselves in the foot.
You are forgetting one thing. Saint Louis County. The population is just over 1 million people and is slowly rising. So if you want to say Saint Louis, you have to include ALL of St. Louis. County, City, East.
St Louis county chooses to be separate from the city and is one of the biggest reasons we can't compete with Chicago .
soopnotse The gerrymandering politicians in the past made there be so many cities. When I think St Louis, I also think Clayton and Kirkwood and Chesterfield and Soulard. I know at least 30 cities off the top of my head in the county and that’s not even half of it.
Metro area + city itself is a 2.8 Mil
Even Belleville thinks it's part of St. Louis, it's a big place
Yeah the Metro East really adds to the population of STL County and City...not even to mention the western metro with the rapidly growing St. Charles County
Let’s Go Cards
Periodt
All day ⚾
Trevor this is your cousin (if your the right one)
@TYRESE MOORE Nah. Stop.
@TYRESE MOORE Cause we don't need your input brother
ugh. I miss STL a lot. I'm not from there but lived there over two years for law school. it has so much character and history, and beautiful architecture. one of the more magical historical cities in the USA, and people don't even know!
All Europeans: Healthcare is an industry?!
Saint Louis also has the Chess Hall of Fame!
I never knew that!
Actually Saint Louis is the so called "US capital of Chess". The Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis (located across the street from the World Chess Hall of Fame) has been hosting the US Championships and US Women's Championships since 2009.
We do?
Ryan Leick it’s in the central west end, we also have the most grandmasters, and top universities for chess in the US.
WE DO? OMG
GREAT VIDEO.. besides the end lol. I love my city St. Louis so much, so much history behind it. I've also been to Chicago many times and I must say that Downtown Chicago is SO BEAUTIFUL. I hate to see how St. Louis didn't capitalize on the opportunities it had to become bigger than Chicago. I love downtown St. Louis so much as well and I'm always inspired by it. It's a great Major city. I like that it isn't as hectic as Chicago.
St Louis has far more free and budget friendly things to do that are wonderful. On top of that it has one of the best zoos in the country, the city museum, art museum and sculpture parks and so many many countless things. It's very under rated it has so much history and beautiful buildings and homes. If you visit I highly recommend finding someone who actually knows the place well to show you around.
I completely disregarded everything the Guy at the end said when he put on a cubs hat. 11 Series Titles. All that needs to be said.
Exactly but no offense to the cubs I just like cardinals better
I'm sorry how many years did it take you all to get a second world series champ? 108!
@@drpepper8855 Stay stuck in the past lol Cardinals are ass right now bud. Doesn't matter how long it took the Cubs to win their THIRD World Series because it's more recent than the last time STL won one. You guys sound like Yankees fans
@@persontime4569 things are looking a little different now buddy. Not saying we gonna win anything but we certainly do not suck. We almost got to the WS last year without a second star. Now we got one
Grew up in Aurora, moved to Saint Louis. I don't mind visiting Chicago (a warm beer and a cold Chicago dog *no ketchup* at Wrigley, followed by a Giordano's Deep Dish is always a win) l, but the MUCH cheaper cost of living, richer history, more beautiful architecture, and slower pace of Saint Louis, is unarguably superior. So many more attractions are also cheaper (many free) than the Chicago equivalents as well. We have the Arch, a dozen award-winning performance theaters, a major concert venue, Busch Stadium, the Busch Brewery, Grant's Farm, Forest Park, the Art Museum, City Museum, a 250+ year old farmer's market, one of the oldest Basilicas in the country, etc... and almost every one is FREE (2 of them give you free beer too!). The annual Taste of Saint Louis costs abour 1/4 of what you'll spend at the Taste of Chicago, and we have an annual Air Show, just as you do (okay, so we don't have the water part).
I'd take Saint Louis over Chicago, any day.
@Don Comer keep your fantasies out of this.
You didn't even mention the awesome zoo we have. Was there a week ago, paid 4 dollars to pet the sting rays and like 4 more to feed them. They had to practically drag me out of there I had so much fun lol
Tim Decker I went to saint Louis and I am from Chicago. Sorry to say saint Louis is pretty much shit compared to Chicago. Also the architecture in Chicago is state of the art much better then a arch lol.
@Tim Decker Don't get me started on the T(W)aste of Chicago, as food tickets there are excessively overpriced as all f! I personally prefer smaller and more unique festivals myself where food isn't as overpriced, such as Pierogifest in Whiting, IN, and also Taste of Wisconsin in Kenosha, WI. Within Illinois, I really like Taste of Melrose Park a lot. Also Ribfest in Chicago's North Center's neighborhood, is a really great food fest as well.
@Bigsmoke Saint Louis does have great architecture, but you have to look for it. It's more in its neighborhoods, where you find the hidden gem interesting architecture. That said, Chicago(where I live) also has areas where architecture is pretty blah, such as anywhere in Norridge, Harwood Heights, or any of the nearby far northwest side areas. Chicago's Norwood Park neighborhood is nice though, and I'd say the exception to that rule very close to there. Especially in that circle area, a little south of the Norwood Park Metra station.
What can I say, except that all cities have their positives and negatives. Including Chicago with some negatives. Like others said, it'd be fairer to compare Chicago to a peer very big city like Toronto or Los Angeles, in a video. And not've tried to compare both Chicago and Saint Louis in a video....
love me some st.louie,imo`s pizza cardinals anheiser busch,moon river, cows fields,scenic country drives, a mixture of architechtial wonders in every block
The Cards suck tho smh
Go Cubs Go
@@MajorMlgNoob CARDINALS >>>NL 19 wins vs. cubs 11 world series...Cardinals 11 vs. cubs...3 CARDS ARE BETTER
@@irenegronewald7745 Cards are WAY WAY better than shitcago chubs plus they'll never win another World Series until the 22nd century😂
@@irenegronewald7745 well Cubs has a better lineup it doesn’t matter how much people won the World Series
@@gaming_sportsaaron1365 I know they are a strong opponent, but no fun now as covid, I never see them play...sucks
These videos are so fun! Please make more!
I found job in st Louis and I realized that it has a sense of greatness over all the cities except for San Diego
St louis is getting a new office building and hotel. Both will be skyscrapers.
xPARADOX 35 and a couple of complexes attached to Ballpark Village.
@@djtrankilo231 ur point?
xPARADOX 35 adds on to the local economy?
Great, more unused office space.
xPARADOX 35 downtown Kansas City is Growing way faster
Idk I think Toronto and Chicago would be a more interesting comparison
Cooniss yeah I agree, plus Toronto is only like 300 miles from Chicago
Was just gonna comment this, actually. They're very similar yet very different.
Gold Hackz Wut😂
from chicago, live in Toronto. That'd be a cool comparison
DrCluckinstein From Deerfield and live in Oakville and I concur
This made me laugh. As a STL resident and history major, lots of errors in this video, but I love your sarcasm and passion. STL is just more historical. We also have a habit of fucking ourselves out of success lol
Chicago is much more historical and celebrates it by welcoming all cultures into various neighborhoods. STL literally only has black and white and major racism
@@rondas7772 The racism is crazy, I live about 2 hours from St. Louis lived there for a short time and go there sometimes. 80% of the time the blacks are just evil towards me for literally no reason and the whites are extremely snobby if they have even alittle bit of success going on lol.
@@thegeneral1955 unfortunately, I would have to agree with you
He skipped about how the civil war stopped St. Louis’ trade because it was cut off with the Mississippi River leading to the confederacy
born in l.a. i have never understood this " my city is better than your city " idea. i hope to visit your cities someday
I'm from St. Louis and I totally agree
Yeah I agree. I live in Chicago, and I hate when people try to say things like that whether it's Chicago is better or another city is better. I think every city is beautiful and unique. I went to L.A. last year, and it's such a beautiful and lovely city. Very different from the midwest. I haven't gone to St. Louis in a long time, so I'm hoping to go some time soon.
@Evan Wibbenmeyer I respect your opinion. Honestly I'm not a big fan of living in cities because they have a lot of down sides. It sucks that they have huge crime rates, and the city government (whether democrat or republican) isn't very helpful. It can be very problematic at times as well. In the downtown area I've met people who are rude and obnoxious. The only people who are welcoming and nice are usually in the urban and suburban areas. There you don't get many egotistical people like the guy at the end of the video. What also sucks is that the cost of living in big cities are awfully expensive compared to what you could get when you move anywhere else. That's probably why my grandparents and aunts left the city to live in the suburbs. The only reasons I'm staying in Chicago is because I was raised here, and I know many people who live here. Plus I could never see myself living in a small town because I was raised in the city life. I don't think I could ever fit in with people in a small town. Not only that but there's so many small towns that I won't know where to go. Sure I could go out and live in the suburbs with my relatives, but I don't really love the suburbs they live in. I really hope that in the future years I finally make a choice.
@Evan Wibbenmeyer I honestly don't really feel bad for the rest of Illinois. It is true that they don't get much attention, but they do nothing to help them get attention. They should try to bring attention to their cities. They should have one of their cities annex surrounding neighborhoods so the population grows. That way atleast one city will be on the map. Maybe not as popular as well known as major cities, but it will get more attention. Also having our capital as Springfield is not doing us much justice (every state has a city named Springfield as far as I know). As for their vote not mattering, it depends. If they really wanted to vote red well they should move to Indiana. The fact is that Illinois is a very blue state and will most likely not change in future years. That is unless they split from Chicago; however, it seems quite unlikely.
Miami is better than all ur cities... Jk
You didn’t mention Ted Drewes! I am a proudly living in STL and I love it here! Ive visited Chicago..I was impressed but it was too crowded and too fast for my taste. Awesome video!
I was born and raised in St. Louis. I also lived in the westside of Chicago for a year. Both cities has its problems, but St. Louis overall has more history and culture. You have more buildings in Chicago, but St. Louis for a smaller city has tons more to offer without breaking the bank to enjoy it. Before I go. At the end of the video that guy said go Cubs. Lol😂😄😂😄😂. Um. How many World Series titles has the Chicago Cubs won? How many World Series titles has St. Louis won? Yeah. I rest my case.
3:00 St. Louis not embracing changes that are clearly for the better? Sounds about right. Some things never change.
Change is not always a good thing. The heritage of shabby chic is often better than cookie cutter copycatism.
You should compare. Toronto vs Montreal, Calgary vs Edmonton, Whitehorse vs Yellowknife, Beijing vs Shanghai and Sydney vs Melbourne.
Geo Orc Moscow vs St. Petersberg, Hamburg vs Berlin, Johannesburg vs Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro vs São Paulo^^
Great suggestions!
yes Calgary vs Edmonton
Detroit cleveland
Dallas Houston
The dude at the end made me hate Chicago more lol
The guys might not be good looking there, but the girls sure are.
Dude that guy is just gross.
@@IskandarTheWack I heard all the girls in Chicago look like swamp monsters. I'm from St. Louis and my Chicago friend told me that
Wow and in the St.louis metro area its actually possible to own a home and save for retirement without having to pay IL + Chicago taxes
I'm biased if you cant tell
also
LGB!! LETS GO CARDS
Isn't there a T at the end
All I can say is nobody can talk shit on our hockey and baseball team. We won the Stanley and soon we will when the world series.
Compare Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati
Christos Ioannou you can only do two cities. You really mean Cleveland vs. Cincinnati.
It could also be Cleveland vs. Columbus, or Cincinnati vs. Columbus.
Yosef Robinson or Cleveland vs Toledo since both Lake Erie cities are crime infested urban disaster areas. Which one is worse, Cleveland or Toledo?
the Ohio trifecta lol
@@AQUAPHREESH193 how about the Ohio four way, Toledo vs Cleveland vs Columbus vs Cincinnati. We all damn well know that Cleveland will be at the bottom of the barrel among the four Ohio cities.
I grew up near Chicago but STL has my heart. Small enough to have a grip on everything that’s going on, but large enough to feel like you have a solid choice of things to do. The food scene is fantastic for a city its size, and the people are super nice. Weather sucks like the rest of the Midwest though. Of course Chicago is the “better” city.. but St. Louis has much potential to grow and develop into a regional powerhouse if the city government can get its shit together.
It's kinda laughable to even compare the two cities. I mean historically it makes sense to compare, but nowadays they aren't even in the same league. Chicago compared to Toronto and St Louis compared to Kansas City makes more sense tbh. Basically the only thing to compare between the two cities is Chicago has way more going on and things to do but is pricier to live in/near. St Louis has less going on but is more affordable. That is basically it.
I wouldn't even go that far. There is A TON to do in St. Louis. Best of all, most are free. They just aren't very well advertised to tourists. We have the highest rated Zoo and public park in the entire country, both of which are 100% free. Our Fox Theatre is also one of the highest rated venues in the world. The last authentic Italian neighbor is also in St. Louis, and it's not touristy like Little Italy is. It's an actual, genuine community with some of the best Italian restaurants in the United States. Speaking of which, any food blog will tell you St. Louis is the #1 place to be if you're looking to eat. Not only do we have some of the best and more unique restaurants, again they're not very touristy and their prices aren't over inflated. St. Louis also has a new aquarium and ferris wheel opening this December. Grant's Farm is another amazing place to visit in St. Louis. It's like a smaller Zoo, but is owned by the Busch family, sells a shit ton of beer, and is also the farmer home of President Ulysses S. Grant. If you want to go to a Zoo that let's you get REALLY close to the animals, which don't be deceived by the name, they have elphants, moose, camels, zebra, and any other animal you'd typically see in a Zoo, while also being drunk off your ass, that's the place to go. Did I mention that's free too? If you want to know things to do in St. Louis, you can't trust tourist websites. Go to a mall or a restaurant, ask the employees there. They'll give you the best places to visit
@@zachclawges6932 Thanks for summarizing our city. That makes me more proud to be from St. Louis
Love your videos man! Would you do a Denver VS Portland?
Born in St Louis, I live in Chicago
Born in Chicago, raised in St. Louis live in Dallas. Iimagine that but I love all 3 cities!
Chicago metro area has more people then the whole state of Missouri.
Cook county compared to St Louis's metro east and west side it's not even up for discussion, St Louis wins
I live 45 five minutes away from St Louis and 3 hours away from Chicago so I basically love both and really love my home
This comment section is only proving Mr. Beat's point. I literally can't go 2 comments without seeing people from St. Louis talk about how great their city is. Besides baseball, I swear to God we barely mention St. Louis in Chicago. What did Chicago do to deserve this 🤣🤣🤣. And considering no Chicagoan is going to talk about this, I might as well.
- Blackhawks have 6 Stanley cup titles
- Chicago is considerably clean
- Chicago has lost the title of a city with a ton of crime years ago.
- We have almost 120 skyscrapers
- The sears tower has the highest observation deck of any building in the USA
- We have 2 very large Zoos
- many people overlook the fact that less than an hour away, there is a 600 acre botanical garden in, I think the mansion town of Winnetka?
- we have a MASSIVE aquarium
- we have the museum of science and industry
- we have an art museum
- we have a kids museum
- we have multiple historic churches and cathedrals
- when it comes to pizza and hotdogs, no body in the USA does it better than Chicago
- there is the Chicago planetarium
- we have Navy Pier where you can take an architecture tour down the Chicago river and ride around lake Michigan AND ride a 180 foot tall ferris wheel while being right next to what used to be the tallest residential building in the world during the 60s and 70s (it's that black building that looks like a very tall fidget spinner)
- we have some of the best universities in the nation with the university of Chicago ranking as one of the best in the world
- speaking of education, Chicago is also home to some of the best highschools in the nation such as Lane tech, Jones, Whitney young, and Walter Payton college prep
- there are multiple observation decks throughout the city where you can get a bird's eye view of the city
- Millenium park is a modern park that combines nature with sculptures and is home to the famous bean
- the street next to Millenium park has tons of historic tall buildings dating back to the late 19th century.
- you could walk or bike along the side of the beach and visit Buckingham fountain
- Chicago has beautiful beaches considering it doesn't border an ocean.
- Random note: if you like pigeons, we have a lot of those.....
compare London vs Paris. They've been rivals for hundreds of years
London is better
chicago is my kind of town st. louis isn't so bad either
Noticed your view Mr. @usahistory101 is lacking of any greenery......Must be depressing, I can barely see my neighbor through the woods here in STL =)
6:37 all I needed to know, we're smarter lol
then that's not st. louis 🧐🙃
In viewing the actual city populations it is important to note that St. Louis shot itself in the foot when it broke off from the surrounding county to be an independent city. As the St. Louis county became more prosperous than St. Louis, many moved there in the 50s, seriously damaging the city’s wealth as there less people to collect taxes from and population has diminished. Now the city is 360,000 while St. Louis County is 2.5 million.
Separating from the county was the right move in the context of its time. In the 1870’s, the residents of the city were getting double taxed by the city AND the county for the exact same services. The county only had a few small towns and the rest was either farmlands or forests. The city was paying to prop the county up, which they didn’t like. When they left the county, the city flourished. Suburbanization was what made the decision backfire decades later.
This video made me a...
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C h i c a g o a n
(I’am from Chicago)
Chicago ain't the best city tho lol. Still violent
Screw shitcago i live in shitcago and love to move out but just don't know were. Thinking about Missouri
@@cookiemonsterso3950 fuck you bitch don't do my city.
Lurking Shadow Go ahead, you’ll come back soon enough, or maybe NY
Why didn't you talk about how Chicago rose the entire city's buildingings without closing business? Or how Chicago had the first inland aquarium by importing sea water?
Chicago was also the fastest growing city the US ever had.
raney150 even invented skyscrapers
Sejal Khan yes it did! It was also the site of the first nuclear reactor built by the University of Chicago.
Chicago has lots of crazy good accomplishments in the past.
Well the video was already the longest Compared episode yet. What can I say, at some point I have to stop or it could go on forever! ;)
Mr. Beat That's fair haha. Although, I would have watched the longer video :)
Nunovia Gottdamnedbizzness
Sure Chicago isn't doing the crazy for the time antics it used to, but it doesn't really need to.
It just needs to function like a normal major city, and it does.
Something to say about us St. Louisians is that we love to tell people where we are from.
I am more of a Alton IL guy myself but STL chocked our city out a looooong time ago
Ones a river city and the other a lake city.
Do Toronto vs Montreal. I didn’t even know you guys knew each other. I’ve been subscribed to both of you for ahwhile. Cool hwhip.
Gerald Sturgill Toronto and Montreal and, too different to draw many similarities, I think Toronto and Vancouver would be a better comparison.
I have been living in both cities for almost 2 years now. I actually love them both for varying reasons, but I must say that owning and operating a business is FAR more attainable in St. Louis than in Chicago. The acquisition of commercial property is not only more affordable in St. Louis, there are not nearly as many licensing requirements or tax expenses as there are in Chicago. Ex: Cook County (Chicago) requires nearly $12,000 for General Contractor Licensing plus annual maintenance fees. St. Louis City (which is its own county) requires an initial fee of $250 for the same license which must be renewed annually. The license fee increases in St.Louis as a company grows in size.
That said, I thoroughly enjoy most weekends in Chicago and enjoy running a business in St. Louis.
That's fair
I love how this video got recommended to me after I returned from my second work trip to St. Louis from Chicago in two weeks
I live in Illinois but can see the Arch from my house from miles away lol
Compare Columbus, Ohio and Indianapolis, Indiana next. Both are about directly in the middle of their state, both have almost the exact same population. They're less than 200 miles from each other both off of I-70 and they are both state capitals!
Never got that suggestion before, but it's a fascinating idea.
Obviously Columbus is way better and more fun than that giant nap town known as Indianapolis.
Coming from Chicago and now living in indianapolis....indianapolis is a city of transplants kinda like a midwest version of atl because half the ppl here are from somewhere else💯
When he said go cubs my stl heart cringed lmao
Haha
Just keep reminding yourself, "Cardinals, ELEVEN WORLD SERIES TITLES. Chicago, NOT."
As a Saint Louis native, I am finally proud to see my unknown city get some representation
🤡
Great video as always.
Some suggestions:
Santiago vs Buenos Aires (large developed South American cities)
Tallinn vs Helsinki (were originally similar, right near each other, changed drastically after WWII)
Los Angeles vs San Francisco (most famous cities in Cali)
Beijing vs Shanghai (large very relevant Chinese cities)
Mexico City vs São Paulo (cities fighting for domination of Latin America, known for being pretty developed in countries that are not)
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. London and Paris.
In an art appreciation class that I took this year where studied art including architecture and actually learned that Chicago does not have the first skyscraper. The first skyscraper actually belongs to St. Louis, The Wainwright Building. We even went on a scavenger hunt around St. Louis to find it since my high school is in Belleville IL just across the river from St. Louis.
Born and raised in São Paulo, Brazil. Huge city (25mi people) and moved to STL 5 years ago and LOVING! I visit Chicago several times, but I always fells at home in STL. Chicago is a beautiful city indeed, but STL is cheaper and better weather. BTW, just 4.5hrs by car from Chicago. Best of both worlds! Chicago is nice, but it's enough of big cities for me 😊
The reason that the metropolitan areas are similar sizes is because the metropolitan area of St. Louis is defined by the county lines, including large stretches of rural areas. Chicagoland on the other hand pretty much ends at the cornfields. Two very different ways of considering metropolitan areas. If they were judged by similar standards, the difference in sizes would be clearer.
Mike Williams FACTS
Part of the issue is how St. Louis is an independent city. It created a divide between the city/suburbs, so a lot of the "metro" is exurbs instead. Overtime, the exurbs have been engulfed into the city and are why many push for a reunion of the city/county + expansion of the city.
I am from Missouri and it is really amazing I really love this place
St Louis was in a great location it wasn't on the Great lakes like chicago but it had a massive water shed but after the opening of the Illinois in Michigan canal chicago started to catch up with st louis but they won't give permits to build railroad bridges across the Mississippi River trying to protect the river boat industry in when that industry suffered so did st Louis kind like detroit the city was run by dumb democrats who didn't know what to do with a important city like st louis
Thanks for this video. We know more about the interesting history of STL and Chicago!
12:31 "Look at my view" Yayy i would love to have a view of nonstop honking cars and windows
London and Paris
Toronto and Montreal
Australia and New Zealand
Norway and Sweden
Saudi Arabia and Iran
I just got to know City Beautiful a few weeks ago! I've been subscribed to you longer, but that's really cool that you've done a collab! For comparisons, may I suggest: Paris-London, Amsterdam-Hamburg (or Brussels), Tokyo-Kyoto or Seul-Tokyo, Beijing-Shanghai, HongKong-Taipei, Oslo-Stockholm, Milan-Munich, Athens-Istanbul-Rome (any pair would do), Moscow-St. Petersburg, Vienna-Berlin, Bern-Transylvania, Dublin-Belfast, Glasgow-Edinburgh, Budapest-Bucharest, Tehran-Riyadh (or Baghdad), Qatar-Kuwait, Rio-Sao Paulo, Havana-Buenos Aires
Tokyo-Osaka would be better, more fair comparison.
St. Louis actually has the first skyscraper Wainwright Building
The world's first skyscraper was the home insurance building.... In Chicago
when the IKEA opened it was magical 🥰
Oh my god I know