I've owned the white dial Shogun for the last year. Great watch! I think it has the best titanium case, dial and handset of just about any other seiko. The stock rubber strap was nice but too long. I opted for a Crafter Blue strap and its perfect.
Thats awesome to hear! I really want to see the white dial version in person before i decide which one i prefer bc theres so much to love on the white one. The shape and color of the handset on the white dial version is fantastic. I just wish it came with a bracelet option! A Crafter blue strap on this case sounds amazing, im a sucker for integrated straps😁
Agreed! subdued, but not ordinary is spot on, I'm so happy they decided to go for the gray/black bezel combo. Seiko did a great job on this one and the white dial version no doubt
Great a fellow Pelagos gen 1 owner. ;-) Yes I also have this titanium Shogun and after a very long and hard search it became the perfect watch for a road trip. In 2022 I traveled Europe in a VW van and this watch was the only one I could sleep with (as steel is too clunky and rubber burns my skin) and use for anything anytime anywhere. The look of the watch really grows on you and becomes better every time one sees it. I got it for half the price online and soon found out that it being a true Seiko...the chapter ring is off by miles (which is still something that speaks against Seiko even as I got tons of Seikos). As a occasional wearer I would put it on something else than the ti bracelet which is a bit flimsy looking (not wearing). After 2 years of service it was running 8 minutes slow a day (so not too sure about the 6r movement...) and it needed a thorough service...I had to do it via a jeweler unfortunately and paid 250EUR...but it is as new...ready for the next road trip!
Incredible looking watch no doubt about it I saw one once before briefly but it had quite a presence. The bezel color looks far better here than in the online photos. I sense that this might find is way into your collection at some point!
Yeah I don't know why so many watch companies show watches in such a weird manner. They should at least get the color somewhat close! That brown color will never show up no matter what the lighting conditions are! Lol yeah this watch has really burrowed into my mind and every time I see it and while I was editing this video I get more and more impressed so let's see what happens!
I've never understood why the Shogun doesn't get more love. I own this watch and the previous first generation Shogun. The first generation Shogun is still my favorite watch of all time. I absolutely love the way it looks. It obviously takes it's inspiration from the Rolex Submariner but the case design is much nicer and of course it's made of Titanium which I love. Is the watch perfect, no it definitely has it's flaws but it's still my favorite watch.
A great review TWI. I have I confess I could be tempted... for the white dial version as the watch just looks so good on the strap. I'll be holding of for a while though as my Sister got me a reimagined Alpinist, some differences between it and the one that you have. No signed crown, display case back above the 6R35A, Prospex logo on the sunray green dial, a white date wheel and a 1st in my collection for over 5 decades a cyclops that I done normally go for but it seems to work OK in this watch. My 1st new Seiko for over 5 years, everything lines up and pretty accurate, a keeper although I'll probably swap out that strap at some point. Strap suggestions would be welcome.
I have a sbdc029. Really a great watch. The finishing on the case is amazing. Seiko has always been able to make quality ti watches. Feels so good on the wrist. I have the samurai sbda001. Also an amazing ti watch. The case is amazing, and the indecies are unusual. Only sen them on this model. Seiko rocks ti!
Solid review! A buddy of mine has the Manta Ray Shogun and I agree, it wears way better than you would think given the 44mm size. For me, it’s pushing it (just under 7 inch wrist) but I was impressed with how cool and well built the watch is and the dial was great! I feel like this watch is a rubber strap and NATO monster. If I got this, I’d still want a Tudor of some kind but this is an entirely different wearing experience. This actually makes more of a Seamaster Planet Ocean fighter rather than a Tudor fighter though despite the titanium construction.
My only gripe with this watch is the lack of bracelet choices, and custom bezel options. If strapcode or uncle straps came out with some bracelets options, I’d defiantly purchase.
I've often wondered why there had not been a lot of social media interest in the Shogun. After watching this I'm still unsure. Perhaps it lacks the heritage and perceived Seiko back story of some other SPB models in the price range. Good looking watch.
Yeah the heritage SPB models definitely take up all the attention and they are incredible no doubt but I'm still surprised a watch of this caliber has flown under the radar for so long. And it's more surprising considering that it's Seikos only titanium dive watch outside of the expensive LX line! One things for sure and thats that I'll be sad to send it back 😅
Loooool that would make me way less sad no doubt! But as much as the white dial is calling for me the black dial is just so striking in its own way so I guess the back and forth will go on until it's time to get one!
Not too shabby a Shogun...were I in the market for a diver, this (probably the white-dial version) would make the shortlist. However, the watch that's making me heartsick now, right on the heels of getting my 5 Sports GMT 003 (which I'm still crazy about), is the limited-edition Seiko 5 Sports due to come out in July: It's a total ringer for their very first Seiko 5 Sports release from 1968. Looks like it may *not* be making it Stateside, though. Still want it.
I loved the original, but not sure about this one. It's graet that it has a sapphire crystal, but I'm not a fan of white dials, but it's execution is way better than the black one. I don't get the bronze seconds hand. It's areal shame, because I'd lve a titanium diver from Seiko.
I do like Seiko and am currently wearing one (sumo Pepsi padi) but I’m not paying more than 500 for them anymore as the movements are just too hit and miss. Christopher ward offers much better watches, with better movements, QC and customer care at the 1000 mark. Seikos are beaters only for me. I owned an loved me mm300 and the accuracy was great, but the chapter ring was slightly off. I’ve probably owned every Seiko automatic diver in the last 10 years so I speak from experience, they’re just not consistent enough to be logical choices for a watch at higher prices.
As usual with Seiko divers, the watch looks great and I love the Ti, but at £1400 for a 6R… it’s overpriced and I’m not surprised it’s been “forgotten” and definitely not underrated. I owned an SPB143 which I love and still love the looks of, but after 3 months of ownership, the watch was running at +39spd so I eventually sold it. Very poor performance at those sort of price points for a 6R35.
Yeah had a bad experience with mine also. Thank God I have a certified watchmaker 15.min away. He adjusted it in 5 positions followed by a dry/wet pressure test and it keeping +3 seconds a day.
Lol thank you yeah it bothers me to hear everyone say pelAAAAAAAgos 😂 My AD and good friend is Greek and he way back in the day he heard me say pelAgos and said that the origin is based on the Greek word "pelagos" meaning sea and that its pronounced "pèlagos" like you mentioned as well. That's all the reasoning I needed!!
@@thewatchidiot Your Greek friend is absolutely right! I know it from my father, who used to teach Greek at school. Anyhow, yours is the best, bar-none, UA-cam channel regarding wristwatches. I find your way of reviewing watches very entertaining as well as comprehensive. Not to mention that you come across as a genuinely great guy!
The biggest problem with this for me is the terrible bracelet. I think that’s the biggest problem with seiko and why they can’t be compared. Thankfully Uncle Straps/Seiko exist and hopefully he’ll come out with a bracelet for the shogun🙈
I am not sure about the new bracelet and the quality. Can't imagine that after market will have a better ti bracelet than Seiko. I have an early sbdc029. The bracelet fits and looks great .
Great watch but difficult to find discounts. On a rubber strap you can get the new Citizen titanium watch for only $400. Shogun has better finishing but is a lot more expensive.
Its simpler for sure but the clean edges in person come together in a way that i was not expecting! The MM300/MM200 case is undoubtedly incredible tho, easily one of my favorite case designs out there!
Ive only had the Islander samurai with the MM300 style dial and while the case looks similar on the wrist, I like the simpler execution of the Shogun case a lot more than the Samurai case. And of course the titanium factor is at llay as well lol. But even still the Samurai case is quite special.
I have three of these the original and the white and black dial I love ‘em but they are not a Pelagius I have That one as well. Good review
I've owned the white dial Shogun for the last year. Great watch! I think it has the best titanium case, dial and handset of just about any other seiko. The stock rubber strap was nice but too long. I opted for a Crafter Blue strap and its perfect.
Thats awesome to hear! I really want to see the white dial version in person before i decide which one i prefer bc theres so much to love on the white one. The shape and color of the handset on the white dial version is fantastic. I just wish it came with a bracelet option! A Crafter blue strap on this case sounds amazing, im a sucker for integrated straps😁
YES!!!!! So glad you are showing this watch. I have the first gen shogun with the white dial. Love it so much! Awesome video. Cheers.
How would you compare to the white dialed king samurai?
Dude, what a fantastic color scheme on this watch. Subdued, but not ordinary. That’s a good looking watch, brother.
Agreed! subdued, but not ordinary is spot on, I'm so happy they decided to go for the gray/black bezel combo. Seiko did a great job on this one and the white dial version no doubt
Great a fellow Pelagos gen 1 owner. ;-)
Yes I also have this titanium Shogun and after a very long and hard search it became the perfect watch for a road trip. In 2022 I traveled Europe in a VW van and this watch was the only one I could sleep with (as steel is too clunky and rubber burns my skin) and use for anything anytime anywhere.
The look of the watch really grows on you and becomes better every time one sees it.
I got it for half the price online and soon found out that it being a true Seiko...the chapter ring is off by miles (which is still something that speaks against Seiko even as I got tons of Seikos). As a occasional wearer I would put it on something else than the ti bracelet which is a bit flimsy looking (not wearing).
After 2 years of service it was running 8 minutes slow a day (so not too sure about the 6r movement...) and it needed a thorough service...I had to do it via a jeweler unfortunately and paid 250EUR...but it is as new...ready for the next road trip!
The 51mm lug to lug is too big for a lot of people, I wish there were more SKX013 style options
Incredible looking watch no doubt about it I saw one once before briefly but it had quite a presence. The bezel color looks far better here than in the online photos. I sense that this might find is way into your collection at some point!
Yeah I don't know why so many watch companies show watches in such a weird manner. They should at least get the color somewhat close! That brown color will never show up no matter what the lighting conditions are! Lol yeah this watch has really burrowed into my mind and every time I see it and while I was editing this video I get more and more impressed so let's see what happens!
I've got this watch on the bracelet. It's a great watch. That understated grey dial is favourite.
I've never understood why the Shogun doesn't get more love. I own this watch and the previous first generation Shogun. The first generation Shogun is still my favorite watch of all time. I absolutely love the way it looks. It obviously takes it's inspiration from the Rolex Submariner but the case design is much nicer and of course it's made of Titanium which I love. Is the watch perfect, no it definitely has it's flaws but it's still my favorite watch.
I must say I prefer the older versions of the Shogun (1st generation ) SBDC029/99/07 etc...
Well said, much nicer looking, shame about the Hardlex crystal.
A great review TWI. I have I confess I could be tempted... for the white dial version as the watch just looks so good on the strap. I'll be holding of for a while though as my Sister got me a reimagined Alpinist, some differences between it and the one that you have. No signed crown, display case back above the 6R35A, Prospex logo on the sunray green dial, a white date wheel and a 1st in my collection for over 5 decades a cyclops that I done normally go for but it seems to work OK in this watch. My 1st new Seiko for over 5 years, everything lines up and pretty accurate, a keeper although I'll probably swap out that strap at some point. Strap suggestions would be welcome.
That’s a great looking watch. Thanks for showcasing it!
I have a sbdc029. Really a great watch. The finishing on the case is amazing. Seiko has always been able to make quality ti watches. Feels so good on the wrist.
I have the samurai sbda001. Also an amazing ti watch. The case is amazing, and the indecies are unusual. Only sen them on this model.
Seiko rocks ti!
The polishing on high end Seikos is so good, and to my untrained eye looks really Grand Seiko. And on titanium, even! Amazing.
Solid review! A buddy of mine has the Manta Ray Shogun and I agree, it wears way better than you would think given the 44mm size. For me, it’s pushing it (just under 7 inch wrist) but I was impressed with how cool and well built the watch is and the dial was great!
I feel like this watch is a rubber strap and NATO monster. If I got this, I’d still want a Tudor of some kind but this is an entirely different wearing experience. This actually makes more of a Seamaster Planet Ocean fighter rather than a Tudor fighter though despite the titanium construction.
The Manta Ray dial you're referring to is on the Samurai not the Shogun.
What grade of titanium is this watch?
My only gripe with this watch is the lack of bracelet choices, and custom bezel options. If strapcode or uncle straps came out with some bracelets options, I’d defiantly purchase.
I've often wondered why there had not been a lot of social media interest in the Shogun. After watching this I'm still unsure. Perhaps it lacks the heritage and perceived Seiko back story of some other SPB models in the price range. Good looking watch.
Yeah the heritage SPB models definitely take up all the attention and they are incredible no doubt but I'm still surprised a watch of this caliber has flown under the radar for so long. And it's more surprising considering that it's Seikos only titanium dive watch outside of the expensive LX line! One things for sure and thats that I'll be sad to send it back 😅
@@thewatchidiot perhaps lesson the sadness of returning it by ordering the white version 👌
Loooool that would make me way less sad no doubt! But as much as the white dial is calling for me the black dial is just so striking in its own way so I guess the back and forth will go on until it's time to get one!
@@thewatchidiot All part of the fun! Great content .
Not too shabby a Shogun...were I in the market for a diver, this (probably the white-dial version) would make the shortlist. However, the watch that's making me heartsick now, right on the heels of getting my 5 Sports GMT 003 (which I'm still crazy about), is the limited-edition Seiko 5 Sports due to come out in July: It's a total ringer for their very first Seiko 5 Sports release from 1968. Looks like it may *not* be making it Stateside, though. Still want it.
I loved the original, but not sure about this one. It's graet that it has a sapphire crystal, but I'm not a fan of white dials, but it's execution is way better than the black one. I don't get the bronze seconds hand. It's areal shame, because I'd lve a titanium diver from Seiko.
I do like Seiko and am currently wearing one (sumo Pepsi padi) but I’m not paying more than 500 for them anymore as the movements are just too hit and miss.
Christopher ward offers much better watches, with better movements, QC and customer care at the 1000 mark.
Seikos are beaters only for me. I owned an loved me mm300 and the accuracy was great, but the chapter ring was slightly off. I’ve probably owned every Seiko automatic diver in the last 10 years so I speak from experience, they’re just not consistent enough to be logical choices for a watch at higher prices.
As usual with Seiko divers, the watch looks great and I love the Ti, but at £1400 for a 6R… it’s overpriced and I’m not surprised it’s been “forgotten” and definitely not underrated.
I owned an SPB143 which I love and still love the looks of, but after 3 months of ownership, the watch was running at +39spd so I eventually sold it.
Very poor performance at those sort of price points for a 6R35.
Yeah had a bad experience with mine also. Thank God I have a certified watchmaker 15.min away. He adjusted it in 5 positions followed by a dry/wet pressure test and it keeping +3 seconds a day.
Kudos to you for pronoucing the Pelagos right: it's in fact Pèlagos not Pelàgos as many youtubers say.
Lol thank you yeah it bothers me to hear everyone say pelAAAAAAAgos 😂 My AD and good friend is Greek and he way back in the day he heard me say pelAgos and said that the origin is based on the Greek word "pelagos" meaning sea and that its pronounced "pèlagos" like you mentioned as well. That's all the reasoning I needed!!
@@thewatchidiot Your Greek friend is absolutely right! I know it from my father, who used to teach Greek at school.
Anyhow, yours is the best, bar-none, UA-cam channel regarding wristwatches. I find your way of reviewing watches very entertaining as well as comprehensive. Not to mention that you come across as a genuinely great guy!
Great content! Can you please do a review on the BB54?
Thank you!! And i did a review on it last month, a few videos ago so check it out when you get a chance!
What rubber strap do you have it on? Thank you!
Great Review ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
With all the great Seiko divers I often forget about the Shogun. Btw why does Seiko have such great nicknames for their watches 😅
It's not Seiko, it's the fans that came up with all the great names.
Now excuisite timepieces will sell this as uaed mint for around 800usd?
considering it is titanium, what's the weight?
I recommend integrated rubber bracelet from crafter blue
That would look fantastic with this and I'm a sucker for an integrated strap!
Didn't know that some SPB models still use a stamped hinge on the clasp; pretty embarassing. I thought those were only used on SRP and below.
How much they cost?
The biggest problem with this for me is the terrible bracelet. I think that’s the biggest problem with seiko and why they can’t be compared. Thankfully Uncle Straps/Seiko exist and hopefully he’ll come out with a bracelet for the shogun🙈
I am not sure about the new bracelet and the quality. Can't imagine that after market will have a better ti bracelet than Seiko.
I have an early sbdc029. The bracelet fits and looks great .
Great watch but difficult to find discounts. On a rubber strap you can get the new Citizen titanium watch for only $400. Shogun has better finishing but is a lot more expensive.
I have been looking more into. Seiko of late
That's awesome, there's a whole bunch to see and experience with Seiko! Slightly biased point of view from me considering how many i own lol!
The case is rather plain compared to the Sumo or MM200 Reduced / GMT. Perhaps titanium is more difficult to work with.
Its simpler for sure but the clean edges in person come together in a way that i was not expecting! The MM300/MM200 case is undoubtedly incredible tho, easily one of my favorite case designs out there!
Never had a Samurai?
Ive only had the Islander samurai with the MM300 style dial and while the case looks similar on the wrist, I like the simpler execution of the Shogun case a lot more than the Samurai case. And of course the titanium factor is at llay as well lol. But even still the Samurai case is quite special.
Great watch but too large for most
legibility is not great
Average….