Goodbye EF-M? Why Canon's decision is a blessing in disguise.
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15 years from now everyone’s going to make videos about how great this camera is and why it’s relevant in 2038 lol. Bet.
It's still a really great camera, remember folks, you can take great pictures with any camera and lens
Nah, you really can't take great pics with any cam. Any decently working non-specialized camera combo yes, perhaps, but not _any_. I have a almost brand new camera that not only can you not take great pictures with, you cannot take ANY pictures with it, unless you fugg around in a darkroom with it and fiddle a 35mm piece of film in the right place by hand, the transport on it doesn't work - never has. That said I don't give two poops about what Canon does per se, but I hope the EF-M lenses get cheaper for a while, before going stratospherically expensive, so I can complete my collection without needing to rob a bank.
I know right. People always assume the latest and greatest camera will somehow turn them into a better photographer....doesn't work that way.
@@lunatune3714 The graph isn't linear. the latest phone compared to a 300$ Dslr have a huge differences, but from a 300$ Dslr to a $2000 camera, the difference might not be that significant.
Long live FD leases!!!
Yes, but Canon didn't give us time to find our way through the M50. It takes a long time...
But Canon said: Buy this great thing right away and then forget about it and go for another one.
I've been Betamaxed again.
Laughs me too! Beta was better than VHS. 😊
Same
😂 same!
😂same, but hey ho
You’re quite right Mark. There’s nothing wrong with these cameras. I’m using m50, M6 and M200. They all share my arsenal of lenses and I’m very happy with the video quality that I get from them all.
It is curious that Canon are finishing the m series though. The M50 must have been an entry into mirrorless for so many people and Canon even put out a mk2 of that and the M6. They were all at a nice price level for beginners.
I agree 100% Ian. I will be keeping my M50s & M200 for many years to come having spent thousands on gear. It is very odd that Canon should ditch one of their best selling cameras (of all time?) and fail to support the lens range for it, then replace it with a lens range where there are no 3rd party manufacturers with more affordable lenses for beginners. I subscribe to both your and Mark's channel as the pair of you make perfect sense to me. Thumbs up to Mark for his comments. Neither of you are shills like many of the channels who talked rubbish about the exclusive leaks they had about the new M50 II, none of which proved to be true and who ditched the M50 quickly some time ago. Mark has tried to find lenses that have extended the life of the EF-M range while Canon did rather little for M owners. Keep up the great work Mark & Ian.
@@apislapis Thank you. I don’t understand really why Canon did this. The M6 is a lovely little camera and is deadly with the Sigma f1.4 series of lenses for low light and lovely shallow depth of field. I was hoping that Canon might have continued with new models but just to discontinue ………….
I’m looking to get the m6 as my first mirrorless is it fun to shoot photography and learn videography
It’s a really nice camera and I’m really surprised that Canon dropped them.
The Canon M50 is the only camera that I have been unable to walk away from since I got it in 2018. It is the only camera that calls me back whenever I say I'm done with it. It's small, light, and takes fantastic pictures, and once you get used to it, you can even make the battery last longer by switching it off in between shots. I bought it for street photography, but have ended up using it for events, and protests, even vlogs. I've ended up buying adapters for it, and shooting it with vintage m42 lenses… and when I pop a UFO lens on it, it is even pocketable. I've used it so much, all the rubbers are falling off at the back. I've used it in the rain, where it has got soaked and started to spaz out, but after blowing it out, and leaving it in rice, it has sorted itself out on more than one occasion. Because of my back problem, I have considered going full in on the M-system, even buying a second body for more serious work for when I can't lift my DSLRs anymore. I'm still going to do that irrespective of Canon's decision to discontinue this little wonder machine… more fool them.
The M6 MKII is a beast! I'll most likely upgrade to a full frame eventually but this little dude is staying with me. Seriously underrated camera.
I have the M6 MkII as well. I am very happy that I got it over the m50.
I had the M6ii, I stupidly sold it and have missed it ever since, hard to tell the difference from that and my full frame
@@garybeaumont1373 Um idk, I loved my M6Mii but there's definitely a difference between it and my A7c.
If you just use an outdated camera, you won’t know what a beast is!
I love mine. I wish canon made a full frame version in the same form factor.
Still love mine M50 and learning everyday. No need for upgrading anytime soon. Great video as always Mark.
Effing great. Now I have a six month old obsolete camera. Thanks a lot Canon.
Always thought the M6II was underrated; certainly was popular initially but then seemed to lag against others, yet despite this it was always relatively expensive. Some great advice!
The 22mm is something I personally think that everyone should play with at least once. It's not really useful to describe how balanced the lens is without being able to see what it does yourself, it hits a sort of "magical" equilibrium between a sort of fisheye and something like a fullframe 50mm fixed that I at least think is good enough to make it a "must have" on EF-M cameras, if not on the camera it should be in the bag with it. Mine doesn't sit on my EOS-M that often because I have a Viltrox adapter and some other lens on it to get some specific more tele look, but the 22mm is never far.
Yeah, been looking at that one to add to my arsenal...
@@fingereze7202 To me the best thing it does is that pictures with it don't have that "too wide" look if you get what I mean, it takes pictures that look normal unless you go out of your way to push it, like a full picture height vertical object at the edge of frame. It has the look of a 35mm on FF almost exactly. The only real downside is that it doesn't play well with low light, but that's logical. Another big advantage is that it makes the camera look like a plain compact camera, not at all 'intimidating' like a big DSLR tends to be, so people tend to be more willing to be photographed with it - at least in my experience. I often take pictures of things that spontaneously happen, and when I ask if I may take pictures, people always look at my camera. The EOS-M+22mm gets the same reaction that my compact Lumix'es do which is always "Sure" with a smile. If I'm carrying my Nikon with batterygrip etc very often it's a "Nooo..." or I have to explain what I want to do with the pictures first.
Gonna keep my M50 until it breaks or unless my niece needs a camera. The fact that it can use all EF/EF-S lens is great, but the secret sause is the Viltrox Speedbooster. Cheap and a great combo, yes DPAF will still work with the speedbooster.
I agree 100% keeping the M50 - the M50 is a little beast and so versatile with the speed booster or adapter for the EF and EF-S lenses
All good points. I think what most ( or all ) manufacturers are trying to do is force buyers into higher-priced items with fewer features. As much as I like the M6 II, it has no EVF unless purchased separately. Somewhat related, you now see new higher-priced phones with no micro SD slot. For me, it is a signal to start developing my photography skills using budget and vintage gear.
Not haven a useless token EVF was the main M6II selling point for me.
Yep. Take away your choices. And offer you, what they want you to have. It's very sad.
Is it a bummer? For sure. Will I continue to shoot my M6ii for the next decade? Absolutely. I love this camera. With the pancake 22mm, it can go anywhere with little hassle. I’ll probably take this as the time to finally pick up a few lenses I’ve had my eye on: Rokinon 12mm, Sigma 16mm, and a telephoto.
Canon M wasn't a bad idea, but because they went for "smaller, lighter" etc from the start, they had a fight on their hands with every other new release.
Working professionals are not the audience for the modern releases. As you say, people that earn money don't care for 8k video when their clients have never shown any interest in it.
One of the most talented photographers I know uses a Canon 450D, but they use it so very well that absolutely no-one cares.
Well said!
The M line being smaller and lighter was exactly what kept me away from it as I was coming from the canon rebel DSRL line and wanted to upgrade to a bigger DSRL or mirrorless camera. Now after having to lug my 80D around all the time and sometimes with the huge 70-200mm, a second smaller and lighter camera for street or traveling started to sound appealing and I picked up an M6 and I regret being so closed minded about it when they first came out
Sounds like I can pick up some EF-M lenses secondhand for good prices ... 🙂. My M6Mk2 has some good years ahead !!
Love my m50 mkII, I use it semi-professionally for shoots and don't think i'll change anytime soon. I'd rather invest more in the lense system since there are some really cool EF-m lenses out there! I'd actually like to pickup a m6 mkii body soon as a B cam :)
I am going to use my M6 Mk II until it dies. It is my favorite camera ever ❤
I mean, there are a couple of problems with the computer analogy. Have you tried to access the internet with any computer from the 00s or earlier? Lack of security updates, increase RAM requirements, not to mention incompatibility of software with modern standards means using old computers is difficult.
The analogy with -digital- cameras is also problematic because of how much digital camera tech changed in the 00s and earlier.
I think this is much less true today, and cameras from the late 2010s are much more long lasting. So your point is still largely true.
Canon is funny, their lens roadmap is a joke and the current RF lens line up is not even funny. They have some nice bodies, but I can't get any lens I'd actually want.
i own a canon m50 and today picked up a 70-300mm usm mk ii. i absolutely love the images that come out of this combo. its a EF lens and works flawlessly with a adapter. also the nifty fifty is working amazing. this means that there is a ton of lenses out there that will work with the canon m series line of camera's.
What adapter do you have? I’ve been looking cause some people say viltrox adapter may damage the camera mount or have an awful vignette.
@@Random-mx5fx im using a regular viltrox adapter and never had any issues. The images seem sharp and the ring feels solid
I'm not going to give up my M50 or my M6 MII, my Sigma Trio or my other EF-M lenses now or in the foreseeable future. I think these cameras are phenomenal. Besides, I'm still learning how to use all the features and functionality packed into these small mirrorless cameras! I'm satisfied with the quality of the photos and videos they produce. I'm good for now, unless some other fantastic camera in the future catches my eye. 😉I anticipated that Canon would discontinue the EF-M line at some point. It's a shame, but understandable. Perhaps now I can find an EVF for my M6 MII cheaper now. I didn't buy an EVF initially because I thought they were overpriced. Thanks, Mark for the info in this video.
Same here! I'd buy the M6 II body again and again to use it with the Sigma lenses, or the 22mm which is mostly glued to my camera body. Such a great little system.
I’ve had several professional DSLR’s. I did a lot of traveling around town for a job and always packed like travel version of my rig. It was still bulky. I got the M50 Mark II because of how good it is. It’s a sleeper and I honestly use it way more than my pro rig.
God, I love my EOSM stuff. Rarely use my EF stuff anymore
The M50 is the camera that made me fall in love with photography (paired with the Sigma 30mm f/1.4).
It introduced me to your channel and others too of course, but during a somewhat difficult year photography has given me a north to follow up.
As always thanks for your videos Mark!
Love the M6 Mark II
Advice to everybody get one these cameras now before they become a hot item and the price goes up
I sold my M6 Mark II (which is great), all its lenses and bought the Fujifilm X-H2S. The X-H2S is impressive.
Love this opinion! It's very diff from other youtubers:]
I just got a Canon 22mm on ebay for $125 aud on ebay!
There are several key differences between cameras and computers though:
1) Cameras have more moving parts that wear out and will be harder to replace.
2) Camera batteries degrade over time, and the use of proprietary designs (i.e. not the standard AA) will also make them harder to replace.
It is precisely because of these reasons that I am considering grabbing a second M50 so that I can continue using my underwater casing for this particular camera model.
there is plenty of third party battery manufacturers
Mirrorless cameras have even less moving parts that traditonal dslr whose main weak point was the mirror and shutter. So much so that shutter counts are practically irrelevant now.
Not to mention with dummy battery, powerbank is all you need...I don't think powerbanks are going anywhere.
I bought the M50II as an upgrade from my EOS M. It was a massive upgrade.
I then bought a R10 mainly because of the better autofocus especially for animals. Also full manual with silent shutter, more FPS plus the bigger buffer together with UHS-II cards. Also I get access to the RF lens lineup.
Still using the M50II for vintage lenses and as another camera for multicam live productions.
If you’re using a speed booster with EF lenses you can effectively defeat the 4K crop on the M50
How do you, do this?
As someone looking to upgrade from a rebel t6i (nothing wrong with this cam) that’s been looking at used m6ii and efm lenses, (also thinking of adapting efl lenses, thoughts?) I’m happy hah
I just bought the R50 recently
I want to get a lens for it as the kitlens has very narrow aperture
What should I go for? 50mm f1.8 or the 35mm F1.8
I feel burned by Canon, twice over. Not only is the M series no longer supported (I have the M6ii) but after getting the RP couple years ago they are still not allowing third party lenses. The only thing that keeps me with Canon at this point is I’m invested in their glass. I really feel like I should have gone with Sony when I was considering it 2 years ago. Every lens fits every Sony. Canon is finally doing that with RF but their a few inexpensive quality lenses.
Is there a way to adapt the efm lenses to Sony?
who is buying a used m50 for 500 - 600 thats preposterous
still sticking to the ef-m as long as there are lenses and adapters that still exist...
Heart breaker. This had the potential to be the best all around camera system. Magically small with fantastic IQ. I have too many cameras to count, from Pro Full Frame to MFT. My favorite of them all is the M6m2. Simply fantastic with the Sigma Trio.
I just purchased this camera after coming from Sony FF; any tips for a new owner who is also brand new to Canon? I was thinking about buying the Speedbooster and a couple EF-S lenses to start. Thanks!
I use the Viltrox speed booster and the EF 24-105 F4 as my go to Camera. I have more than 20 bodies of all types. Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, and it’s my first choice because of handling and quality.
Mark can you please assist me? I just purchased an EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM lens from Adorama. However, in trying to register it, the Canon website indicates that the serial number should be somewhere on the connection side. However, I can't find a serial number anywhere on this lens, especially where they say it should be located. Do you possess this lens? Can you PLEASE check to see if your copy of the lens has a serial number ON THE LENS? (BTW: Your videos are superb - I love watching them.)
such a great video! you're right, skills matter a lot more than gear. Although it's fun to research gear. the RF line and cameras are amazing indeed, but i just ordered a m6mk2 22/32mm combo that should arrive tomorrow. It's mostly for travel and street photography and snapshots of my children. those 50mm 1.2 85mm 1.2 rf lens are amazing, but the weight for a old guy like myself is just too much. I just share my jpegs to my family and friends and i can bearly tell the difference so i don't think they would be able to also, but i wanted something better than a cell phone quality. I'm going to take this challenge and try not to upgrade until I've used the camera so much that is breaks and I am forced to upgrade. thanks for this video!
I'm curious, in 2024, what system and lens combo would you recommend for travel and street and faimly candids? I think i saw a few fuji videos on your channel
My problem: the M6II isn´t so reliable. The body makes squeezing noises, the down button und the dial isnt´t working and the timekeeper battey died. This happen after only 4 years and about 80.000 shots. Now I´m using only my RP, as fullframe or crop mode.
So on the long term the M6II isn´t as goog as other bodies, the ergonomics are far behind my RP.
I agree with much of what you said here. I still use the original Canon EOS M for video with MagicLantern. More than 10 years old and the image quality is stunning, it even produces raw video. Perfect! I actually don't use it with EOS-M lenses but lenses from other mounts adapted to it. I have so many lenses for other systems that buying native lenses didn't make any sense at all. I've actually been waiting for full frame mirrorless cameras to get out of their constant upgrade cycle for video because I like to keep my gear for a long time. I think we're getting there finally. My main camera for photos is a Leica M6 from 1990 by the way. That's when photography on film reached the peak of that technology. I'm waiting for the equivalent of that for video before I invest in a full frame mirrorless. I'm thinking R8 might already be the ticket if I don't need IBIS.
Yes!! No reason to stop using a camera that still gets results
Less than a month ago I complained in the comments about Canon wasting time introducing the junk EF-M mount when they should have been concentration on the RF mount. This should come as a surprise to ... No One! I seriously considered buying the m50 in 2019 but could never warm-up to the limited lens choices or the issues with using EF-M to EF adatpers.
Hi Mark, Great channel, always sound advice. I have a Canon M5 and have taken your advice and bought a M6 Mark II on eBay. Very pleased with the upgrade!
I wanted to buy the canon m6 mk2, but when the r10 released I couldn't find any store for the M6 mk2, not even online, I live in Malaysia, so I ended up buying the r10, It does have better autofocus, especially for vehicles (because I shoot cars), with 4k 60 cropped, but the lens options are very limited, and I'm jealous of the sigma trio for the M mount🥲, I hope it'll get to the rf mount
I really love the M 50 and the M 50 mark two because they are so small and lightWeight delivering quality images. My videos and stills are really impressive. Of course I want to see something that small in real 4K. I’d also like a headphone Jack.
Heyy i'm still using canon eos M (original M), i bought about 150USD with 18-55 EFM at 2019. And still pleasant to use. Even the autofocus are really slow. But hey, i didn't use it for sport, i mostly use it as a hobby. So i think just because it's an old camera, doesn't mean it takes a bad picture.
Only way im leaving the M6 Mark II is if Canon makes one for a similar price and build with 4k 60p Un Cropped ! #Canon #CanonUsa #M6MarkII
I bought the M3 when it first came out and still use it regularly despite having full frame cameras. It is joy to use with the 22mm f2, small, light and nobody takes any notice when I'm using it.
Thanks for the video! I don't really follow camera news so I wouldn't have known otherwise. It's sad to see this mount go, but in a lot of ways it may be a blessing for M50 users who want to expand their lens arsenal at a discount in the future. I bought my M50 brand new in 2020 at the start of the pandemic and I don't plan on selling it or letting it go until the thing just does not switch on anymore 😂 Like you said with the computer analogy, you can keep using cameras until they quit on you essentially. If you look at the digicam craze, those cameras are well over 20 years old and people are picking them back up to shoot nostalgic photos. Perspective is important! As for video, it's still pretty great for family videos or youtube since most ppl still do not shoot in 4k. Again thanks for the info!
Shooting with a pair of 5DM3s for years. Bought a M50 a few years ago and never really used it. My research into mirrorless had me dust the M50 off and try again. I picked up the Sigma 16mm and a 7Artisans 35mm and have an adapter for my EF lenses. Loved using it on a trip except the controls are lacking for moving focus and adjusting other settings. I did really like the mirrorless more than I thought I would so after returning home, I bought the R6 mark ii. Used it for an engagement session a few days later and love it. I could see my next international trip being all mirrorless.
Not just "D"SLR's
F1n
EOS-1V
P-67
oh, right, that analog stuff... P-67 with Velvia... You couldn't count the megapixels!
Hi Mark discovered your channel and it´s amazing the quality of your content, you have a new subscriber!!. I looking for the 55-200 for my M50 but I cannot find any good deal… any recommendation of lenses that can be similar maybe other brand or with an adaptor for the standard canon lenses?Congrats from Spain
I'm from China, and Sigma refused to produce 1850 and 2314 for efm, which caused many users in China to leave, which really makes people angry.
There is something good about discontinuing the system which are the BARGAINS! I got a full kit including 22mm, 32mm, 11-22mm, m100 altogether for less than a single x100v
I am stuck with the M10, still use it. The only complain with it is just the video autofocus. But for photography, I think I kinda miss the dslrs such as the 50D, or even If I one day have the budget, I have been thinking to get myself a 5d classic. I have been wanting a full frame due to the shallower dof on the same focal length, plus the wider image area. So the old 5d should be great. And also I have heard about its colours, which is somehow closer to film look. But that is another story, IF i one day have the budget.
Loved my little M10! Replaced it with a M6 II and a M50 for the auto focus only, otherwise the M10 was an excellent camera!
@@firefliesandroses oh yesss only thenautofocus. And it would be better if it had some kind of connectivity with a wireless mic
I have no regrets having purchased the M50 mk2. It's a really great, versatile, little camera. Canon has it's reasons for discontinuing the M series, and to be frank, I don't care. Will I move up to a more expensive camera? No! All cameras have their advantages and short comings. Take that into account and you're good to go. I appreciate your willingness to share Mark.
I was into photography years ago and just fell out of the hobby. The Canon M50 definitely brought me back and now I'm looking to by a new higher end dslr. I'll be keeping the M50 as it's an amazing everyday travel camera. For the price it's one of the best you can get!
Haha I knew this was going to happen. I bought an EF lens adapter and EF lenses like the 50mm f/1.8 rather than ef-m because I knewwwwwwwwwww this was going to happen XD
The EOS M50MII was my first real camera. I liked it, but on the advice of my friend Bronson I switched to the Sony A6400. Glad I did it, and did well when I sold my Canon!
You are right in all you say. I own M50II and M6II. I bought all original lenses for them. Beeing very satisfied with the results. The M-system is great for holidays and normal photography. So I will not give up the system. Lightweight, inexpensive, easy to carry with - much advantages.
The only weakness ist, that there are only 7 lenses.
But on the other hand its easy to chose, which one do you use.
Conclusion: I will stay with the M-system because it is good enough.
I just bought the R8 and should sell my M200, but I'm still thinking about it. The M series made me start liking photography as a hobby and the M200 is just fantastic, I carry it more than my phone sometimes. It's really sad to see Canon discountinuing that amazing serie that problably made a lot of people like me to start with photography.
A few questions... is it worth it to move from my EOS T5i body to a Canon M series camera? I would be using it for Astrophotography.
Last question.. are the M series lens better then the EOS kit & nifty fifty lens & a 24mm pancake lenses i use? Wondering if this would be an upgrade? My other option is to move to Sony E series
I traded my M6 Mark II and accompanying lenses for a used (with warranty) Canon 90D. I suppose I could have squeezed a couple more years out of the M6 but decided to sell while the EF-M still had value in the used market. The specs of the 90D are similar to the M6 but is native to the EF lenses in my collection. I'll miss the compact form factor of the M6 but the 90D has far better battery life.
I had my M50 for some years, and got itchy for an upgrade, but after researching and playing around with my M50 to explore unused features, I'm now keen to buy a second body and additional lenses 2nd hand. Absolute beast of a little camera!
Today I am having an incredibly sad day when I found out that I will no longer be able to buy a telephoto lens for the Canon M50 Mark II anywhere. A little while ago I was crying and wailing on your video that you posted 3 years ago.
Thank you for this almost philosophical attitude that eases my pain. You are indeed a wise man. Your vision is more real than my poor lament. But even so, I have to say that Canon shook my confidence. A camera is different than a computer or a car. With a computer, I have to know that it will inevitably grow old and go away - most computers are only for work or superficial entertainment, but a camera is a purely creative, magical thing. The day I get it, probably no one will buy the entire arsenal of all lenses at once - on the contrary, I have to have time to slowly find out where my photos will take me. My journey must mature. However, Canon did not give me the necessary time. With the decision to buy the device, I am also deciding for the entire system, which of course has no continuation. It's a betrayal. I can't afford to keep buying new cameras. The M50 Mark II is still new to my taste and I fell in love with it.
But your look comforts me. I just don't know whether to have the lens sent from Japan via eBay - after all, it can't survive the trip in good health. I may even say goodbye to my dream of a telephoto lens today - maybe it's childish to want to photograph birds somewhere in the distance. Maybe you won me over for the 22mm dream, even though this range is in the kit lens 15-45mm.
You could make the argument that used M50 lens prices might not fall for a while. I just bought a new Canon EF-M 55-200mm lens on Ebay new instead of used for $50 less. (For the price difference why risk a used lens problem? For me a used discount is 50% of new). Being discontinued I had to compete my lens set before they're no available anywhere. As an occasional user I have no interest in spending another $1,000 or so for a non entry level kit only to chose another system that gets discontinued. And, I needed the lens now. Not in a year when it might be at 50% price.
I got the m50 as my first ever camera and have been really loving it. Practicing photography has really improved, and actually opened my artistic eye. I've gotten so many good photos that I've made prints and even ordered full size pictures on walls, to myself and as a gifts.
I got it mostly for it's size and low price point, as I wanted something to take with me for hiking or bikepacking. And it really has been perfect for it.
And that's what it's about! I'm a hobbyist. And too me it's n
There's a lot of really good cameras out there. But it's really about practicing & discovering the lens that make for great pics
The only thing i am disappointed with my M50 is the battery. I bought a third party grip so i can use a third party lithium battery. Amazing purchase.
Man I really wish I could get my hands on a used 55-200mm for my fall vacations on Oct, however I'm short with all the things I need to pay for the vacations.
I have a Canon M50 Mk ii. I am interested in landscape photography and instructional video. Realistically, 1080P is more than adequate for instructional video. There are a lot of Canon M mount bodies out there. I suspect that there are third party lenses in development which will come out in M mount versions. Sigma crop sensor lenses have interchangeable mounts, so there is little reason for Sigma to stop production of M mount in the near term. That said, I already have two of the Sigma M-mount trio. I just ordered a used Canon M6 Mark II body from Japan to use as a second video camera. I also just ordered a 55-200mm M-mount lens. It has image stabilization.
I love my M50 Mark II
I just sold my M50 and lenses and got a Sony A7IV. Canon just lost me, when they let the M-System die. There is no more trust in Canon. The M-System was great for travel. They could just build some more lenses and a better body and so many would stay on that System. Fck Canon!
Not going to sell my M series lenses any time soon. I still have yet to get enough use out of them. I really like compact gear for example I own MFT gear, ZV-1, Sony HX-80, Canon SX-740 and I bought EF-M gear because its also small. I have mobility issues so large heavy gear is a no-no. You didn't mention that you can still adapt EF & EF-S lenses as an alternative. I'm still chuffed with my M50 i & ii and M200 including video. Let's be honest Viltrox, Sigma & Chinese manual lenses have kept the system going for longer. Canon's attitude to the M series and their owners has been nothing short of shocking. I will not be upgrading to Canon RF, I can't trust them anymore. I'm slowly migrating to Sony APS-C. I have the ZV-E10 and few lenses, I love the quality of the 11mm f1.8. Goodbye Canon and your Canon cripple. A blessing in disguise indeed.
I won’t invest in buying lenses for my M50 mark 1 unless I see a cheap 16mm Sigma lens. I’ll probably go with something like the Fuji x-t5 next.
I really love my M50ii. Got it when my Panasonic TZ200 conked out in March 2023. I was aware the EF-M system was on the way out, but it suited my needs and importantly budget. Got the body and kit lense new on special for $800 AUD, a second hand 55-200 mm in Tokyo for $292 AUD and the 22mm prime for $160 AUD (inc postage) second hand on eBay. Probably another $120ish on bag, quick release clips, screen protector and spare batteries. The small size and weight is perfect for bush walks and when I am out on my bike. With 22mm prime it is not much bigger than the Panasonic and probably smaller than my old Canon G12 powershot that took great photos until the lense got scratched. I am hoping that the M50ii will give me many years of fun.
Still using my Canon 6D and along with the M5, i will continue to. Both take great images. You’re right, a good camera doesn’t cease to be so just cos they stop manufacturing them. My 5D is testament to that; 2005 and the images still look lovely! Great video; thankyou!
Recently got a Canon M200 at a discount price brand new. From a well known store, should have known something was up. By the way it shoots great pictures. That said, I went to the nearest big city camera store, where the young sales guy with attitude states you know those are discontinued. Yet wanted to sell me the used 22mm lens for $149.00.
I just bought a "new" Nikon D3000 DSLR, for example.
I own an m50 mk2 for 3weeks now, bought it second handed from a guy that i think never even used it. He had noooo idea how the camera worked. Came with the kitlens. Yesterday i picked up a 55-200mm on sale, so yeah,so far i think the camera will be with me for the next 5-10y. I am not a person that wants a new toy every week.
And with lens adapters i dont see a problem for the future. Humans are very good at solving problems, so it will all be okay
Canon never took the M seriously, like Nikon never took the 1 series seriously. It gave them a bit of experience with mirrorless, but they probably learned more from Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, and Fujifilm than from their own pursuits. I feel sorry for those who spent a lot of money to buy M lenses and bodies. The good news is that they should be able to pick up any M gear they want, really inexpensively, on the used market...
I am not sure I agree with the premise. Yes, the image quality will be the same, and if the product catalog was full featured, I would agree. But you buy into an ecosystem as an "early adopter" with the promise that it will expand. It would be similar to buy the RF-S system right now: you have 3 or 4 lenses available to you, but you buy into the promise that this ecosystem will grow and you will get better lenses, with more useful ranges, or faster apertures, etc. But if you purchase an RF-S now and the system is discontinued, you would be stuck with a "half fulfilled ecosystem". So systems from this giants like Canon or Nikon should, at least, live for 10 or 20 years to allow for users to actually live healthy within the ecosystem. I would be really pissed had I bought into the M ecosystem right now.
As an M50 MkII I'm a little sad. I'll use this camera for as long as I possibly can, though. One day I'll move to their RF series, as it seems like that's their focus now.
Move to Sony bro. Their E-mount system basically guarantees that you won't be shadowed. While at the same time you get "pro level" features on their budget cams like clean HDMI and audio monitoring. I'm keeping my M50 MK1 that I got for 400 w/ kit and 22mm f2, since I feel that I still have a lot to learn/prioritize what features I want for the next upgrade. Although, canon colors are nice and you don't really have to spend post processing.
That's typical, I only bought the M50 in 2021! It's still a great camera and I'm gonna keep it but I'm just gonna have to get adaptors for EF lenses but I'm sure my M50 will last decades like how my Smartphone has last 5 years which to me is quite a shock.
Canon never learned its lesson losing a generation of Canon film SLR users when it left out FD lens from working in Canon DSLRs. This is the reason why I and several others switched to Nikon in the early DSLR days. Nikon never abandoned its film SLR users when Nikon vintage lenses were kept functioning in Nikon DLSRs.
update: I just got a second M6 mark II. I just turned 60 so I most likely will never need another camera, ever.
People forget that 4k is basically 8MP. People put 4k on 80 inch screens and you can't see the pixels.
Although all M cameras was pretty much forgettable, whole EF-M system was just two lens wonder, lovely 22mm and 32mm which was arguably one of the better lens formula of all time, and of any camera system to accompany price, performance, character and size.
I completely agree, a camera that took good photos will continue to do so.
My most modern camera is precisely an m5, and with it I have a compact camera of sufficient quality for the use I make.
I still want an M6 MII.
Interesting and thanks for the info, Mark! I think I will keep my M50Mkii mostly for a great compact travel camera. In the bay area 2 weeks ago and shot a bunch of nice street photos in small towns, plus with a proper filter on the 55-200, got some decent partial eclipse shots. In 2017 I lugged my DLSR to the total eclipse path and was such a pain. I'm not an expert but just having fun. Been looking at other options and always appreciate your content. Thanks for ALL your M50 content!
I talked to a Sigma rep this weekend and they have stopped production on new ef-m lenses
Wow people only recently upgraded to mirrorless mounts and they are already outdated. Does this mean in 4 years nikon will end the Z mount? I'm still using vintage D mount lenses. Damn prices have fell a lot last few years. Wish I had sold everything when they first announced Z mount. It use to be lenses held their value but the bodies didn't. Now every 10 years a new mount...
Really preferred the sleek design language of the EF-M series. Back to chunky cameras we go 🤕
I'm just disappointed with so many canon les mount, I been using canon F and Canon AE-1 film cameras then Nikon F to Nikon F3, my old lens of Nikon still fit on my Nikon DSLR
Auto focus is better on the bigger Canon cameras. At least that is what I saw in the review a few years ago when I was looking into getting an M series.
It would be appreciated if you don’t tell 100 thousand goddamn people where to buy lenses for cheap that a handful of people know about. Ruins the purpose and now prices are sky high on eBay as well.. sell what u need to sell bruh. This helps no one.
M-models? Is this the American branding of D-models in Europe?