Thanks for sharing! It’s important for the community to see that even amaIng pilots like you sometimes have a bad flight. Helps deal with our own failures.
Thanks for sharing the failures too. I think it's easy to imagine that every flight always go as planned for top pilots like yourself, but in the end, sometimes it's just not meant to be :) And that's alright, that's also where some of the excitement and challenge comes from :D
Thanks Dmitry for showing the reality of flying. It might be overwhelming looking at all those great flights, perfectly executed FAI triangles etc. Showing some "failures" gives true view of paragliding.
I have definitely missed timing on launches. I’ve launched and struggled for 20-30 minutes just to land in the bail out then watched my friends launch 15-30 minutes after I landed and fly XC, it happens, nothing to do but learn from it
We really tried.. man that sucked. I know that flying is just for fun, but landing so early on these days with that kind of a forecast just sucks. I got lucky though - i packed my things super quick and the first car that drove by picked me up and drove me straight up to the lake again, where i once again did the hike. I met the others, completely drenched in sweat and hurried up to take off again for a second time. Well, it being so late now, the thermals worked and i was able to do my flight close-ish to what i've planed. I guess if you dont have the patience like we did, then you gotta have it in your legs to do this hike with heavy gear twice 😅
I dont think im a better pilot than you, but you asked for ideas what you and the group could have than better. You told us that the situation at the take off was different from the forecast. Maybe that could be an indicator to wait longer to be sure to get thermals. In that moment you all already knew that the day could not be as good as expected. So to wait longer only means to reduce your risks of beeing disappointed. And: Thank you for sharing so many interesting videos about our great sport :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! This is what we indeed considered. We took off a bit later than planned and also we were not the first pilots in the air - a couple of pilots launched before us and did manage to get some climb. It turned out that they perfectly met the thermal cycle and we totally missed it. And because of the inversion layer and the "wrong" wind we didn't get any second chance. Sometimes it happens!
Nice that you show an example when something is not going as planned. Nice images and good example how this evolved bit by bit directly from the beginning! Sorry, I kind of feel responsible for the video idea😊 Looks like you are quite a bit more pushing for a long and far day. Häppiehh Lähndings
Very valid topic: I only fly XC in areas I know and when the Forecast almost guarantees me to fullfill my plan. Thats a huge Error and limits my flights drastically. I don't have an Issue with landing "somewhere" so I don't know why I don't take a bit more risk and by that enable me to be lucky and get a better flight than expected. Right now I anyway don't have the time but you just motivated me to go for an XC Flight with less favourable Conditions - (not in terms of security but in terms of projected Thermals) - whats the worst that can happen? Exactly - a 8km Flight instead of a 100Km :-)
Well, when you know the conditions are not great, it's really okay if you land shortly after taking off. But when the day promises a huge adventure but you chicken out right at the beginning, that really sucks! I'm glad you got motivated to fly more! Flying in different/difficult conditions is also great, because you can practice a lot. I doesn't have to be a huge flight in km, but it can be a huge flight in terms of skills you get.
Hi Dimi, nice that you also point out the difficult aspects of our sport. Would it have been an option to fly southwest into the Antholz valley? At least you would have had more working height.
Yes, not all flights are a great success, sometimes there are bloopers like this one. The Antholz valley was unfortunately not a good option, the cloud base there was significantly lower, and the pilots who took off at Grente one hour later after us struggled a lot to get to the Staller Sattel.
Caution needed for pilots flying in close to be aware of valley wind and rotor. Years ago a mate of mine was dumped into the trees. Luckily it appeared that there was very little valley wind!
Unfortunately, I can't do anything with the video/audio anymore, UA-cam doesn't allow that. I will consider this for the next video. Is it difficult to understand what I say, is the music too loud? Maybe on a mobile device?
Hmmm I would like to guess two things: - you didn't take off in a thermal cycle, but I can't be sure if thermals were even coming exactly up there - you took off simply too early? What I observed is that pilots who fly long distances take off really early in comparison to others, but also the risk of bombing out is quite bigger. Ciao! Sascha
If you didn't bomb out in the first hour while your friends managed to do an awsome XC adventure day ... Are you even a real XC pilot ? :) Everyone has to get unlucky every now and then :)
Хороший старт. Вроде потихоньку поднимало, но потоки были слабые, чтобы только компенсировать естественное снижение крыла. У меня было такое, при жаре +28, градиент температуры маленький, атмосфера прогрета до 600-700 метров и потоки хилые. Закинули меня парни на лебёдке до 840 метров, а кругом минуса, лишь на 600 м нашел хилый поточек. Поднимался +0,1 +0,3 минут пятнадцать, пока рядом не начал крутить орёл и не показал +1,2. Поднялись с ним до 950м он за несколько взмахов крыльев перепрыгнул в соседний поток, а я не дотянул. Ещё минут 20 поелозил и всё равно бомбанулся.😂
Thanks for sharing! It’s important for the community to see that even amaIng pilots like you sometimes have a bad flight. Helps deal with our own failures.
Totally agree! Maybe I should think about posting more fail videos. But it's important not to overdo 😅
Thanks for sharing the failures too. I think it's easy to imagine that every flight always go as planned for top pilots like yourself, but in the end, sometimes it's just not meant to be :) And that's alright, that's also where some of the excitement and challenge comes from :D
Yeah... When Mother Nature says no, it's a no. But you're right, it's part of the story!
Thanks Dmitry for showing the reality of flying. It might be overwhelming looking at all those great flights, perfectly executed FAI triangles etc. Showing some "failures" gives true view of paragliding.
You are absolutely right, paragliding has its ups and downs. Social media, as usual, shows only the best parts.
I have definitely missed timing on launches. I’ve launched and struggled for 20-30 minutes just to land in the bail out then watched my friends launch 15-30 minutes after I landed and fly XC, it happens, nothing to do but learn from it
Yes, sometimes even 20 minutes too early can ruin your flight. Been there done that!
We really tried.. man that sucked. I know that flying is just for fun, but landing so early on these days with that kind of a forecast just sucks.
I got lucky though - i packed my things super quick and the first car that drove by picked me up and drove me straight up to the lake again, where i once again did the hike. I met the others, completely drenched in sweat and hurried up to take off again for a second time. Well, it being so late now, the thermals worked and i was able to do my flight close-ish to what i've planed.
I guess if you dont have the patience like we did, then you gotta have it in your legs to do this hike with heavy gear twice 😅
If you haven't been disappointed after a flight - have you even been flying enough? *cries in swedish flatlands*
every weekend
You are very lucky to fly every weekend! Really jealous! 😁
😂
I dont think im a better pilot than you, but you asked for ideas what you and the group could have than better.
You told us that the situation at the take off was different from the forecast. Maybe that could be an indicator to wait longer to be sure to get thermals. In that moment you all already knew that the day could not be as good as expected. So to wait longer only means to reduce your risks of beeing disappointed.
And: Thank you for sharing so many interesting videos about our great sport :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! This is what we indeed considered. We took off a bit later than planned and also we were not the first pilots in the air - a couple of pilots launched before us and did manage to get some climb. It turned out that they perfectly met the thermal cycle and we totally missed it. And because of the inversion layer and the "wrong" wind we didn't get any second chance. Sometimes it happens!
For someone less experienced, or someone who hasn't tried it yet, 8k in this amazing landscape would indeed be an epic flight!
Absolutely! However, it still hurts a bit when you think of what could have been possible only if...
Nice that you show an example when something is not going as planned. Nice images and good example how this evolved bit by bit directly from the beginning!
Sorry, I kind of feel responsible for the video idea😊
Looks like you are quite a bit more pushing for a long and far day.
Häppiehh Lähndings
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very valid topic: I only fly XC in areas I know and when the Forecast almost guarantees me to fullfill my plan. Thats a huge Error and limits my flights drastically. I don't have an Issue with landing "somewhere" so I don't know why I don't take a bit more risk and by that enable me to be lucky and get a better flight than expected. Right now I anyway don't have the time but you just motivated me to go for an XC Flight with less favourable Conditions - (not in terms of security but in terms of projected Thermals) - whats the worst that can happen? Exactly - a 8km Flight instead of a 100Km :-)
Well, when you know the conditions are not great, it's really okay if you land shortly after taking off. But when the day promises a huge adventure but you chicken out right at the beginning, that really sucks!
I'm glad you got motivated to fly more! Flying in different/difficult conditions is also great, because you can practice a lot. I doesn't have to be a huge flight in km, but it can be a huge flight in terms of skills you get.
Hi Dimi, nice that you also point out the difficult aspects of our sport. Would it have been an option to fly southwest into the Antholz valley? At least you would have had more working height.
Yes, not all flights are a great success, sometimes there are bloopers like this one. The Antholz valley was unfortunately not a good option, the cloud base there was significantly lower, and the pilots who took off at Grente one hour later after us struggled a lot to get to the Staller Sattel.
What wasn’t a failure is how beautiful that flight was, soaring like a bird low over the trees. Beautiful. I’d be scared to get so close…
Thanks! Indeed, flying close to terrain requires attention and risk management.
Caution needed for pilots flying in close to be aware of valley wind and rotor. Years ago a mate of mine was dumped into the trees. Luckily it appeared that there was very little valley wind!
Absolutely! Flying so close to terrain increases the safety risk, so risk management is important.
Great video, as usual, thanks!
Is it possible to lower volume of background sound a little bit?
Thanks for watching! What exactly do you mean by "background sound"? The wind noise?
@@dymanoid I mean music in the first part of the video.
Unfortunately, I can't do anything with the video/audio anymore, UA-cam doesn't allow that. I will consider this for the next video. Is it difficult to understand what I say, is the music too loud? Maybe on a mobile device?
@@dymanoid It's not a big problem, but I periodically slide volume up or down.
It's just a suggestion to improvement of your already excellent clips!
Hmmm I would like to guess two things:
- you didn't take off in a thermal cycle, but I can't be sure if thermals were even coming exactly up there
- you took off simply too early? What I observed is that pilots who fly long distances take off really early in comparison to others, but also the risk of bombing out is quite bigger.
Ciao!
Sascha
Both points are correct! And there was a third one: wrong wind.
Thanks for sharing failures!
Story of my life 😅
Such a shame! I feel your disappointment! Happens way too often unfortunately. Defereggen in the morning can be a bitch sometimes...
Thank you! Yes, a tricky place. Too bad it can destroy your flight so quickly.
You are doing great educational PG channel ! Spasibo!
how did you integrate speed/altitude/track details in the video? O_O is there an app??
I use a specialized software for that, it's called Telemetry Overlay.
Epic flight failures are so normal for me. I take them for granted!
We are not all Sky Gods are we?
Staller Sattel
That's normal, try again another day ... 😅
Challenge accepted! 😁
Too often 😅
Hope you stay motivated anyway!
@@dymanoid Yess! It's part of the game. Now flying the flats. Very subtle compared to the hills, but managed my first 100k the other day. Thank you!
Succede anche a me dopo giorni a pianificare un volo e controllare la meteo convinto di fare un gran volo mi ritrovo a dover atterrare😢
Può succedere in qualsiasi momento, anche ai migliori di noi. Rimanete motivati!
If you didn't bomb out in the first hour while your friends managed to do an awsome XC adventure day ... Are you even a real XC pilot ? :) Everyone has to get unlucky every now and then :)
Yes, that's the harsh truth about XC paragliding!
So geht’s mir meistens 😂 aber ich liebe Deine Videos. Kann das sein das wir uns letztens gesehen haben. Füssen? DHV
Danke! Ja, ich war auch bei der Regionalversammlung 2024 Süd-Ost dabei.
@@dymanoid schade wollte Hallo sagen war mir aber nicht sicher.
Хороший старт. Вроде потихоньку поднимало, но потоки были слабые, чтобы только компенсировать естественное снижение крыла. У меня было такое, при жаре +28, градиент температуры маленький, атмосфера прогрета до 600-700 метров и потоки хилые. Закинули меня парни на лебёдке до 840 метров, а кругом минуса, лишь на 600 м нашел хилый поточек. Поднимался +0,1 +0,3 минут пятнадцать, пока рядом не начал крутить орёл и не показал +1,2. Поднялись с ним до 950м он за несколько взмахов крыльев перепрыгнул в соседний поток, а я не дотянул. Ещё минут 20 поелозил и всё равно бомбанулся.😂
Better you land at that spot, as 2km further in a tree 😮😂