Exactly, I actually carry my own second private laptop to work, and I use that for anything personal. After being shafted by a few employers in the past for browsing news articles etc during my lunch break they can all jog on. I also leave my desk and leave my work phone locked in the drawer so ultimately it’s costed them way more in the long run
@@thomascrabtreeon the company’s wifi that is. Tether to your phone. And the number of my colleagues who willingly connect to the company’s wifi on their personal phones instead of just paying a hit more for an unlimited data plan 🤦♂️
I worked for a company in IT. They told people they could use their computers for personal stuff on breaks. All the while using monitoring software that recorded everything. Keylogging and screenshots. Like passwords to everything. Phone calls being recorded. Check. So if you want it private. Use your own phone/laptop.
IT guy here, I have to explain to new people, we can theoretically see eveerrryytthing, but we don't look, but you mess up or get associated with something that goes bad, what you said could get eyeballs on it. Don't use your work anything for personal anything, and vice versa.
IT guy here as well. Any spying is illegal in EU. No one can read your emails even after you've left. Unless there're court orders involved, of course. Yes, the functionality is there in MS365 admin panels even on European tenants, but one mustn't use them. That is what I tell my users.
In 1991 only a handful of academics even knew what email was. It wasn't used for business purposes until late 90's / early 00's. You should watch the movie "you've got mail" which was released in 1998 to get a glimpse into my how email was perceived and be more realistic with your lies in future. I bet you don't even know what Trumpet ****** is or what it was used for, prove me wrong.
@@VoteForBukele prior to windows 95 simply connecting to the internet was a challenge in itself, let alone configuring and running one of the very few email clients. Webmail came much later! People have a tendency to think the way things are today are just a faster version of how things were back then, which simply isn't true.. but an even bigger tendency is for ppl to exaggerate when they lie. If they had said 2001 then that's totally plausible and believable, even 94 whilst a bit of a stretch is possible. But being given *advice* about the content you should or shouldn't put in an email in 91, nope, i call BS. No way that happened. For the record it's not that it's bad advice, it's just the obvious and completely unnecessary lie about it being in 91. Why lie about something like that, it's such a weird thing for someone to do and i'm gunna call it out as there are far too many liars these days...
@@sirtra oh I’ve been on the internet longer than you, kid. I’m absolutely sure the other kid is lying. I just wanted to add a little context. It’s full of liars and insufferable know it alls 😉
If your employer is gathering statistics and micromanaging you like a toddler who needs his nap time set, getting fired might not be the worst thing that can happen to you. Companies should be tracking your output.
Its not about micro managing you in most cases there are regulations that actually require this level of tracking especially around the communications. Secondly if you are doing anything that is not work on a work owned computer then you are more than likely not worth the pay you are recieving because you are too stupid to know that you are being tracked.
Well, .Microsoft gives them that option. The company y that pays you to work is able to track those activities if they want. Some customize for security purposes and privacy. Whatever the case, work time is not your time.
Any respectable company will put these features behind legal blocks and approval policies. People dont just have compliance admin access. This is locked down to only being allowed when needed for legal holds, evidence discovery, etc.
Your Windows 11 is not yours. Nor your computer you.paid for. And not even what's or when is updated on the BIOS Slowly. but steady. 1990 - My Computer 2011 - This PC 2024 - "All your base are belong to us"
@@Bubalupa-g4q I can agree with windows maybe but If I buy PC components and build a fully operational computer, I can virtually do whatever the hell I want with it, so I don't see how it's not mine. And well, If I'm not mistaken, there weren't really BIOS updates in the 90's.
@@LivvieLynn That is why you want to have the job of programming and maintaining the robots. They will fail at some point and will need upgrades and repairs just like anything else in the world. They can become outdated and hackable. Lots of angles on a bot workforce.
@@LivvieLynn ...but can (or will) the robots buy their company's product and services? No workers => no paychecks => no consumption. I wonder if they really think that the very few ultra rich will go on a spending-spree to buy everything from every company to keep them all afloat :D
Speaking as a senior manager I have no interest in how long my team members spent on a call or what they spoke about. I don't care when they were online. I care WHAT you deliver, not how you did it. (So long as you remain ethical). I care that you worked well as a team member, and were accessible to your colleagues in some predictable manner. I care about our intellectual property, company values, & hackers. Thus I would have security monitor for signs of intrusion, and/or malicious activity. However, I don't want to know about any individual unless it appears their account has been compromised.
Agreed. Mrg don't have time for that. My mrg is super busy doing his job I'm sure he could careless. Heck he never even response to Team chat lol imagine checking on our conversation etc.
I always have a separate device for personal use. If I don't want my employer to be privy to it, I use the personal device. Suppose I'm listening to a podcast (like this) while I work. Should my boss know every podcast I listen to? What if I'm communicating with my spouse/partner? If they send me a message that I don't want my boss to see? There are so many reasons to not use a company machine for personal purposes. The problem is when your boss activates the camera on your work device to watch you. This is why I always put something over it and plug in a dead mic. Privacy is important. Just because you're being paid doesn't mean that you should have to fully disclose everything to your employer.
So glad I’m an independent contractor, a 1099 contract employee. I use my own laptop, my own smartphone, and my own private email. I have the option to use a corporate issued email, but I don’t to keep my activity and my records private.
If thats worth only making 25% of the pay you could be, just so you can watch porn on the same device you send emails on, more power to you dude, but for me Im gonna keep using the company laptops.
I don't know how the economy, or math works in your country, but it's usually the 25% you loose by being someone else's slave. Of course that's all you do if it's the only thing you can do.
If a company is going as far to just check whatever you do and dig into the data. Just flag the company on websites for being complete sociopaths/red flag to work for.....
Then you might as well red flag almost every large company in business. Thanks to hackers, ransomware, and AI, companies have major risks now. My company doesn't even let us save data files to our local hard drive or use the USB either. We edit on the network only.
@jeffer2350 you now need to ask permission to download the internal files that let usb work. So that during startup your computer won't read usb. I was on vacation when the update came out and then when I am doing a start up with a usb that is required by my engineering team to use, I had to call IT to get the files on my computer and permission.
@@jeffer2350 let's get started Hacking in general is out of control. But hey, we just predicted putting everything online was a bad, an no one listened.
I used to work in IT. Yes, we can pretty much see anything, but unless instructed too, we're not typically actively monitoring you. But, yeah... we can.
From a security standpoint it's not micromanaging but if there is a business case where certain information is needed or requested, it can be gathered within the Microsoft suite of tools. Normally a security team is only looking at this information for an investigation, an alert gets triggered, or it shows up in a policy / compliance issue.
Very unlikely is the team that is bad, most likely is the boss who is the micromanager. Also, this is not different than security cameras. Are we using them for security or checking if people are working or not.
Imagine being in a meeting of concern because your mouse was idle for an unacceptable amount of time, 10 seconds, 5 times during a 5 minute call. Also never forget, you are never aware of how long your manager has been building a case file against you. You might be able to defend yourself against a couple of things but they have volumes of stuff against you designed to wear you down to the point you can't justify everything. Your manager is never your friend & your colleagues should be just that, usually.
A few things to remember this is company property and software people are working with. As a general rule of thumb it should only have company data on it, us folks in IT don’t want to have to dig up 100GB of family photos or your personal information if you get terminated are leaving the company. IT admins generally have god access and can theoretically see whatever they want on a corporate device so long as it’s online. That said we have neither the time nor care to monitor staff , but if you’re in trouble with your boss they may request access to this information. If it’s something important to track or report on it’s an automated process that spits out an alert or report. Broadly speaking IT is in staffs corner when it comes to privacy and frequently push back when executives try and roll out aggressive monitoring software.
I work remotely. Management is very open about the fact that they record every phone call we make and tap into calls/meetings whenever they feel like it. They also informed us that they routinely check our notes and documentation to see how thorough we are. They've also told us that our direct supervisor monitors each of our computer screens throughout the day to see exactly how all of us are managing our time. I'd image that any remote work team manager who doesn't admit this is only being sneaky. Working from home or even in your private office on location with the door closed gives you only as much privacy as having your company's CEO sit on your lap in front of the computer would give you. I don't care because I don't screw around during work hours. I have a personal computer I use for fun after work. I also have a separate room for my office and keep the work desk inside the closet. But you better believe I shut down that computer, put the headphones in a case inside a drawer, close the closet up, and shut the office door behind me every single evening.
If there's 43000 employee who will monitor 43000 employee no one. IT are not to go into computer without employee knowledge at least this is what I was told by IT. Every time they need to troubleshooting something they asked for my authorization if they go into my computer.
@@glow1815 it only takes software to monitor 43,000 employees Software looks for items or actions that are not and then reports that to whoever is concerned. Every transaction and other interaction with the internet goes through centralized computers.
I imagine the reason much of this exists is for what @ctCJ is saying in the comments. it's for things like legal discovery if something goes sideways. I'm curious how many employers actually use these reports for things outside of that reason. That said, maybe I'm naive as I don't have time to look at this as a boss. -Brian
@@PragmaticWorks I think it is used more often then you think, most likely on a ad-hoc basis, when needed or suspicious or whatever. Or even just in bulk massive surveillance, who knows.?
If you are using the company equipment for personal use, you are putting all of your coworkers at risk. Hackers and AI are at work to do ransomware and steal the company secrets. Go buy yourself a smartphone or tablet to do your personal stuff on 5G at work instead of putting the company network at risk.
Us admins, have enough crap to do on a daily basis and could care less about some joe schmoe is doing on Wednesday. The only reasons this would ever come up is because the owner of the company is suspect of someones performance, which they have the right to be, or for litigation reasons like FOIA requests, or legal cases (lawyers)
@@UGotTheFunk "because the owner of the company is suspect of someones performance, which they have the right to be" Is that a right? What about the right for privacy?
I think its important to trust eachother and if you are a manager you won't have to worry about what your employees get up to if they feel engaged. It's about leading rather than managing.
Nah, trust doesn't scale and the stakes are too high for big companies (or even mid sized companies). I hate spying as much as everyone else and there should be laws that limit the scope but as a company who's paying for all these resources you want to have visibility on them. I've always assumed they can read my messages but seems like that's still limited. I didn't see anything particularly controversial here, the visibility admins get into the state of my machine caught me off guard but that's about it. If you have edge security software running on your machine all the things in this list pale in comparison.
This confirms that watching this at work should be done using 2nd computer. On different network. I am setup with KVM and 2 internet connections. Thank fully.
I worked for an organization that had multiple locations across the USA in the 1990s. We heard about two people who lived in separate locations. They sent each other smutty emails and thought their conversations were private. Instead, they were an example of what NOT to do on a company network!
Universities also. They can access your camera even when you select to "turn camera off" they can view you because of user agreements you signed. Use tape if you plan to be off camera.
This applies very limited to EU workers as we actually have laws that protect our privacy. Really, the M365 dashboard works differently here. GL there in the USA!
Don't connect to the company wifi system with your personal phone and use a VPN. If you do, consider every, text, tweet, email and search going directly to HR.
SNS texting is another ball game though. If you are paranoid you should be using end-to-end encrypted messaging like Signal anyway. I guess in theory your office could have a cell extender in it to increase reception in the office that might leak texts.
The contents of your messages are not visible from the network traffic unless you are sending them over unencrypted websites or services. Text messages are easily intercepted, the SMS protocol was designed long before the concept of online privacy. But when it comes to most apps, the network traffic can show you used a certain service at a certain time, but not who you were communicating with, or the contents of those messages.
My company "deactivated" that stuff (GDPR/european union privacy act exists, you know). While at the same time installing something that when you google it, tells you outright that it monitors everything you do on a computer. This is hell
Yes, usually on company computers all network traffic is monitored, either though use of certificates etc. This monitoring is mostly automated process, and that message is there mostly to scare you not to visit websites that are not sanctioned or work related. All network activity is logged but only suspicious and flagged activity might get you into some trouble. Single visit on sanctioned website is ok.
I just love how Microsoft spied on the company bosses to see that they were spying too much on their employees so Microsoft restricted spying capabilities to those bosses :D
I am in IT, we do not go this deep unless there is a specific reason to do so. By the way, every employer has that much control but no time to check everything every employee is doing
@@VicMansaMusa makes a lot of sense. I’m one of those people that’s highly productive but don’t micromanage me. I’m probably not where I said I’d be lol
When working remotely, I expect there would be some level of tracking / surveillance from the employer - especially websites visited. Major rule is never use the work laptop or device as you would a personal one. I'm sure they can override the microphone deactivation. But I deactivate it anyway, and use that little plastic shield to cover the camera lens.
My opintion is the output is good who gives a flip if they worked for 8 hours that day or someone gigachadded only 8 minutes. If there performance is bad well that is all the info you really need too... I guess in that case you can at least maybe try and "diagnose" the cause for the poor performance but I suspect talking to the person for five minutes about the performance alone is going to yield a better outcome regardless.
I've always assumed I have zero privacy in my workstation. There's so many safeguards running that I have roughly 50% of my RAM available at any given time. I can see log reports automatically generated from some activities, like PowerShell sessions. Even simple consultations sometimes generate a transaction ID. Software I download sometimes end up in the official company repository a few weeks later, so I assume they've analyzed it for security reasons but ended up liking it. So I'd say, don't do anything you'll have a hard time explaining later. Of course, This isn't the type of data managers/supervisors should have access to. It's for security reasons and to support an investigation in case something weird happens, not for micromanaging.
My office does it by default. You can’t do anything install anything access anything email anything look anything up without having to first run it by IT because they have everything locked down so incredibly fucking tight. I got tagged to make a photo archive 690 photos of a project we are working on ….. I couldn’t even download them from the camera to the workstation because connecting devices is disabled. They had to be emailed one at a time.
Even in the US, supervisors beware. If you use this as a method of discovery , you may pave the way to lose your own job. Dont be tempted to single out employees to target for your reading leisure, logs tell on that too.
This is basically why you'd use USB switches for your hardware that can be monitored: Just kill that device. I have done that, and I am not going back. Camera & Mic are only on when I am in a meeting/call, for example.
As a 365 VP AI can tell you that I could not care less about snooping on users. However, once AI is able to monitor content without humans combing through messages, you may find that getting flagged for anti-management discussion, toxic communication styles, or lack of activity may increase.
It won't take long for people to understand how to adapt their language to avoid flagging, or to have some difficult conversations "in person", maybe just outside the premises, or over their personal phones. Those tools will soon become a hefty monthly liability. AI will ultimately turn into the boon of human relationships, not only because of the risk of surveillance, but also because of the deepfakes.
I brought a 14 inch HP Chromebook that i take along to work so that if i need to do anything personal i use that. Even if its just checking closing time of a business i will still use the Chromebook. It gives them absolutely nothing that they can use against me.
Yeah I definitely don’t use it for work purposes and I only use internet from my personal phones hotspot. (Yes I even have 2 phones, one for everything work related and my personal number) I personally would not work for a company that made me BYOD, if you need something to achieve your work being completed they can supply it. Can’t trust any business these days, I have been shafted so many times that I am super paranoid about it all. I even have a full work journal that I log most things in just in case.
This is why universities lost the 5tb storage we had for OneDrive all the way down to 100gb. They needed all the spare space for the data logging. Please Google the word satire before commenting below 😂
No this is because Microsoft has reduced the amount of storage and how it is calculated for education licenses. In the past years two major changes were made: for large orgs, it is at least 100 times smaller now. This information is public: use your favorite search !
If a company takes action against you for activity, without documentation and communication, that is an employment lawsuit my friends. Companies and Managers should be very careful with this technology. If someone commits fraud, crimes or uses of equipment for personal use, then that is a different happenstance. So don’t let these tools cause anxiety if you’re a basic worker.
Here’s something to consider. Does being in meetings 8hrs a day make you more valuable to an organisation? Does typing 8hrs a day make you more valuable? If you monitor all employees e-mails, are you using that to monitor if people are getting bullied or if they’re talking about last night’s game? If you’re not monitoring bullying, why not? If someone is talking about last night’s game, is that a problem? If so, why?
Most important, what are people monitoring doing instead of actually working ? They need to go after doers as through out the human history, It has always been a scam
@@BossFlight - My point here is that it is difficult to measure productivity in a system that doesn’t output widgets or words per minute. Not typing something can be because someone is thinking. Not all thinking is done on Teams calls or in meetings. Being in meetings for many hours a day leaves little time to think or actually do stuff.
Possibly because the people monitoring are doing all the bullying. A lot of Gov Depts don't want people working at home as Managers can't strut about undermining others or trying to assert their unwelcome style on everyone. Deprive them of an Audience and they hate it.
@@Matt-yg8ub - It wasn’t trolling, it was a rhetorical counterpoise to the corporate “monitor everything” thing. It’s not really possible to assess the effectiveness of an employee by the proportion of time online.
I am a manager at a large software company. That admin panel you pulled up is NOT available to your average manager. IT has it for sure, and they could be called if you are doing something really dumb. But as a manager I cannot just randomly go ask for that report. HR would want to know WHY I want to know.
Employer employee relationships should be based on mutual trust, if not just start looking for a new job/employees, it never ends well, be it constant surveillance/monitoring, report "sync" meeting, mandatory RTO,... are just trashy behaviors companies uses out of fear to put themselves in a superior position they lost
As a former IT-admin i can tell you looking through a "private" work correspondence of a former worker is highly illegal as per european law. This also includes Teams and other form of communication, our protocol was to always have someone from a corporate legal team as part of procedure and written consent of ex-employee or legal reperesentative, court order etc. so for mail communications, someone requesting access had to specify in much detail what correspondence he was looking and he was allowed to have access only to that correspondence, everything else was off limits. If we would skirt the rules that would be over for us, as Data protection officers inside&outside company take these things very seriously. We had inTune on corporate phones, theoretically allowed tracking, but due to privacy laws we were not allowed to track phones even if they were lost, much to the frustation of the users. Best we could do is play a sound or send a message, but that's it.
If only I could say or knew that kind of respect/dignity and lawful adherence was present or accessible in South Africa; many employers, especially tech and mobile network companies just issue you a contract that informs you that as part of your contract you have to agree (sign) and avail yourself to the fact that they’ll track and use any of your email etc communications, data as well as submit you to a compulsory polygraph test. So people, especially those just entering the work force, just sign their lives away or ignore it completely figuring they won’t get caught or that they have no choice; it’s accept it and have a job or don’t and never get one
Most bosses don’t have access to the admin center and compliance. There is a robust process that keeps supervisors out of it. Enterprise email is happened in one department.
After Watching this video I’m so glad I don’t have an office job anymore. What an absolute dystopian nightmare that looks like. If I did have an office job, I’d basically be bringing in my own laptop for ANYTHING beyond just the bare minimum company tasks and software installed on the work computer. Just the few official apps with very terse business related messages on the official computer, and I’d use my own (with encrypted tunnelling) for all web browsing, media playback, and all other messages.
That is what you should do. I work in an office environment and we have extreme rules on where we keep data and what we are allowed to do. I am okay with it because it isn't the fault of the company. It is hackers and AI that have caused the harm. This has cost companies millions of dollars trying to deal with the security requirements and protect against AI stealing company intellectual data. Company losses mean lower salary and layoff's for us employees.... Lets protect the data.
corporate networks use 802.1x port authentication to verify devices - you cant' just plug in random devices to open ethernet ports and get on the network. Same goes for wifi. Everything is tracked, on ALL connections
@@woodalexander That is my thought too. My employer won't allow a personal laptop to connect to the network by any method. I can email a few web links for business sites from personal email and that is about it. I suppose someone could use personal laptop in lieu of cell phone for personal use, but a laptop with 5G is expensive.
@@jeffer2350 It seems weird to me that you'd even be allowed to have a personal laptop in a lot of companies, although I have seen them in one case (not sure if they are really allowed though).
I had an O365 license with my school that was active several years after graduating. When it finally got canceled I just downloaded LibreOffice, works great for what I need.
GUIDs aren't not a method of weak anonymity, they're just the Microsoft version of a unique identifier for a user account. UUIDs in Linux are similar. It's a unique, queryable value. If user Djones worked for the company 5 years ago, left, and a new Djones gets hired, you could potentially re-use the user account name, but have unique GUIDs
At my first sales job we were expected to make 80 calls per day with 180 minutes of connected phone time. A report on every employee's call numbers and connected time came out twice a day and was sent to the entire company. The owner would then comment on who did well and who needed improvement. It was kind of nerve-wracking.
I appreciate all the IT honest response and comments. They are absolutely correct. Nobody has time for that unless requested by employee leaderships or reported by someone one or red flag alert than yes they will look onto it. Where i work IT need our authorization to get into employee computer thay can't just pop up out of no where lol plus we have to request a ticket to even an IT will resolve troubleshooting. The ticket has reference numbers to the issues we have to confirm.
Honestly, don’t let this scare you from using your equipment!!! It’s only important if they go looking, but that is rare! I had an it guy do remote observation audits. He would open notepad and saying “Take a break” 😂 never had issues
Fyi when they make you do onboarding or try to nicely make it seem like no big deal to just downloaf their app or login to their workday...or visit their websitw fkr something...READ THE FREAKING TERMS YOU AGREE TO.
Technically, an administrator can make themselves a delegate of yours (a person who can act on you behalf). Then they can see all private appointments easily.
@@PragmaticWorks That's why you when you schedule a block of time on your calendar for personal reasons, simply name the event "Private", with no other details. Then track whatever you need in your personal life calendar somewhere else. What matters is people know that you're busy.
@@atari7001Yeah, the whole laissez faire, “It’s A pRiVaTe CoMpAnY, tHeY cAn Do WhAtEvEr ThEy WaNt” attitude has really shown its limits in the post-“Mexican beer,” brave new world we inhabit. However, companies are just following the example of the government here in US. The Patriot Act passed nearly 23 years ago, and since the 4th Amendment is apparently an analog concept, privacy has essentially been made obsolete in our always online, digital world.
LOL check again... it is not monitoring at all. these tools are available for business continuity purpose and for legal reasons and are definitely there in England. Active monitoring is not allowed in many countries.
As a hacker and engineer I have so much fun with companies who do things like this. It's just so easy to cause chaos and get people in hit water fir nothing
I always put in six point text, white text on white background, in my email signature. Some controversial terms just haphazardly spread around, solely because I knew this type of stuff was going on.
Very informative video. Thank you. I have a question I can't seem to get an answer doing some research. Can an employer be selective in which employees in an office use time tracking software like timecamp? Does project management software need to be applied across all employees in a workplace ? I would imagine this would violate some kind of equal treatment laws no? Also, I'm not referring to time clocking software for paychecks. Specifically referring to project management software to monitor and streamline a company's efficiency.
0:15 this clearly shows a summary of interactions the person who asked the question had with the person who is the subject of the question, NOT what you claim it does (i.e. what they'd been doing today in general). Do you think UA-cam audience is stupid and can't read?
Outside of Microsoft: 1. IT can see all your local files, hidden or not. 2. If you are connected to their network, they see everything you're doing that requires internet. You connected your personal smartphone to the company internet? Then yes, I can tell you what app you used at what time.
If a manager has the time to monitor all their employees, they are babysitter and not a manager. Hire a trusting staff that has clear goals and targets that are measurable and hold them accountable. Measure the output and not the busy work.
Anything owned by your company belongs to them. So if you’re using anything provided by the company, be aware that they can track and monitor it. It’s that simple
I think the problem is that not everyone knows this. It is an invasion if it is not clearly stated HOW MUCH they can do. When an employee signed the contract, it probably didn't say they would be monitored. If it was clearly stated and not implemented in an underhanded manner, then there is a clear expectation that it should not happen outside of what was stated. It doesn't say people will not install cameras in bathrooms on private business property, but " it is the company toilet " doesn't seem like a great excuse to watch someone poop.
I work at a VA hospital and the VA Police searched a co-workers car and he got fired. We never found out why? We think he had stolen hospital drugs, so apparently they can search your car.
If you're tracking mouse clicks and keyboard presses, you're tracking effort rather than results. You need better metrics to determine whether an employee is being productive.
As an engineer who spends a lot of time not using MS office, using 3rd party software, and wandering around a manufacturing site resolving issues, MS thinks I do nothing at all, their "Viva insights" thing literally thinks I do nothing.......... I think this stuff is really bad, because it's all subjective, people sitting in an office judging people by what they do themselves. I didn't sit punching numbers into Excel for the 8 hours that they did, but I created a script and parsed data out of 2 million csv files to populate an Excel sheet, in less than 20 minutes and hit Excels limitation on number of cells, I then imported that data into minitab, at which point i'm no longer using an MS app and as such not doing any work. At what point do we stop judging performance based on how much that person suffered and start judging performance based upon outcomes?
Insider threat analyst here.. we can see everything, doesn’t mean we are monitoring you. Not all managers have access to those admin consoles.. they can get a report from the admin team, but don’t give them a reason to.
Presence is problematic, although it's better now, sometimes you can be online and working and presence doesn't show you as available, especially if you are working from a phone or tablet. You can get a lot done on phones these days
I’m not tech savvy. But this is why I never trusted “work from home” using my personal internet service or computer. I have nothing to hide but I can see where a company boss would put a twist on anything to cause you grief. Oh wait, I don’t trust anyone to begin with.
to any IT guy here, i once logon to a company website, the website was an IP number( is a website that set up by them, taking leave, and etc salary checking site, using my own PC from my home. Since then, i can hear them talking about things i did on my PC. How do i get rid of it? i did format my pc many times, but seems like that thing is still there, i did not downlaod anything, i just login the website using my home PC
That's a full time job. As a manager I don't have time to monitor everyone I'm not paid enough for this. They have IT for a reason Smh. What I care is how you deliver the job. The rest of that I dont care lmao
Never use a company computer for private use!
As a manager you should definitely not use your work computer for personal things. I would never risk it.
Exactly, I actually carry my own second private laptop to work, and I use that for anything personal. After being shafted by a few employers in the past for browsing news articles etc during my lunch break they can all jog on. I also leave my desk and leave my work phone locked in the drawer so ultimately it’s costed them way more in the long run
@@aussiegruber86 They can also track everything you do on your own personal laptop if you're using it inside the office.
@@thomascrabtreeon the company’s wifi that is. Tether to your phone. And the number of my colleagues who willingly connect to the company’s wifi on their personal phones instead of just paying a hit more for an unlimited data plan 🤦♂️
I worked for a company in IT. They told people they could use their computers for personal stuff on breaks. All the while using monitoring software that recorded everything. Keylogging and screenshots. Like passwords to everything. Phone calls being recorded. Check. So if you want it private. Use your own phone/laptop.
IT guy here, I have to explain to new people, we can theoretically see eveerrryytthing, but we don't look, but you mess up or get associated with something that goes bad, what you said could get eyeballs on it. Don't use your work anything for personal anything, and vice versa.
IT guy here as well. Any spying is illegal in EU. No one can read your emails even after you've left. Unless there're court orders involved, of course. Yes, the functionality is there in MS365 admin panels even on European tenants, but one mustn't use them. That is what I tell my users.
@@YS_Productionshoulder surfing is illegal
Spot on!
Thanks IT guys, I knew people didn't sit around and viewed activities, but always knew it's easy to summarize in a report
what about on incognito?
I was told in 1991 "never put an email anything you wouldnt want printed and pinned on the wall"
Good advice.
I never use company computers. I only use my computer, like a chef bringing his own knifes. What you let companies do to you, it is your problem xD
In 1991 only a handful of academics even knew what email was. It wasn't used for business purposes until late 90's / early 00's.
You should watch the movie "you've got mail" which was released in 1998 to get a glimpse into my how email was perceived and be more realistic with your lies in future.
I bet you don't even know what Trumpet ****** is or what it was used for, prove me wrong.
We used email at work in 93-94. I used email in college in 92 - 93. (prodigy/aol). I can’t speak to 91.
@@VoteForBukele prior to windows 95 simply connecting to the internet was a challenge in itself, let alone configuring and running one of the very few email clients. Webmail came much later!
People have a tendency to think the way things are today are just a faster version of how things were back then, which simply isn't true.. but an even bigger tendency is for ppl to exaggerate when they lie.
If they had said 2001 then that's totally plausible and believable, even 94 whilst a bit of a stretch is possible.
But being given *advice* about the content you should or shouldn't put in an email in 91, nope, i call BS. No way that happened.
For the record it's not that it's bad advice, it's just the obvious and completely unnecessary lie about it being in 91. Why lie about something like that, it's such a weird thing for someone to do and i'm gunna call it out as there are far too many liars these days...
@@sirtra oh I’ve been on the internet longer than you, kid. I’m absolutely sure the other kid is lying. I just wanted to add a little context. It’s full of liars and insufferable know it alls 😉
This is truly a dystopian nightmaire. A paradise for micro managers.
If your employer is gathering statistics and micromanaging you like a toddler who needs his nap time set, getting fired might not be the worst thing that can happen to you. Companies should be tracking your output.
Its not about micro managing you in most cases there are regulations that actually require this level of tracking especially around the communications. Secondly if you are doing anything that is not work on a work owned computer then you are more than likely not worth the pay you are recieving because you are too stupid to know that you are being tracked.
Well, .Microsoft gives them that option. The company y that pays you to work is able to track those activities if they want. Some customize for security purposes and privacy. Whatever the case, work time is not your time.
A deal's A Deal.
Crazy how Office 365 itself is essentially bossware.
Any respectable company will put these features behind legal blocks and approval policies. People dont just have compliance admin access. This is locked down to only being allowed when needed for legal holds, evidence discovery, etc.
Never used it, except on the job
Your Windows 11 is not yours.
Nor your computer you.paid for.
And not even what's or when is updated on the BIOS
Slowly. but steady.
1990 - My Computer
2011 - This PC
2024 - "All your base are belong to us"
@@Bubalupa-g4q I can agree with windows maybe but If I buy PC components and build a fully operational computer, I can virtually do whatever the hell I want with it, so I don't see how it's not mine. And well, If I'm not mistaken, there weren't really BIOS updates in the 90's.
Makes me glad I'm not too far away from retirement. We're literally going to be factory robots in the near future.
We already are …
... or else ...
@@LivvieLynn That is why you want to have the job of programming and maintaining the robots. They will fail at some point and will need upgrades and repairs just like anything else in the world. They can become outdated and hackable. Lots of angles on a bot workforce.
@@LivvieLynn ...but can (or will) the robots buy their company's product and services? No workers => no paychecks => no consumption. I wonder if they really think that the very few ultra rich will go on a spending-spree to buy everything from every company to keep them all afloat :D
@@Kudeghraw then you be the only people working when the rest of us are liberated. While you get slaved to the machine.
Speaking as a senior manager I have no interest in how long my team members spent on a call or what they spoke about. I don't care when they were online.
I care WHAT you deliver, not how you did it. (So long as you remain ethical). I care that you worked well as a team member, and were accessible to your colleagues in some predictable manner.
I care about our intellectual property, company values, & hackers. Thus I would have security monitor for signs of intrusion, and/or malicious activity. However, I don't want to know about any individual unless it appears their account has been compromised.
Are you hiring? 😅
Agreed. Mrg don't have time for that. My mrg is super busy doing his job I'm sure he could careless. Heck he never even response to Team chat lol imagine checking on our conversation etc.
Can you be my boss?
I always have a separate device for personal use. If I don't want my employer to be privy to it, I use the personal device. Suppose I'm listening to a podcast (like this) while I work. Should my boss know every podcast I listen to? What if I'm communicating with my spouse/partner? If they send me a message that I don't want my boss to see?
There are so many reasons to not use a company machine for personal purposes.
The problem is when your boss activates the camera on your work device to watch you. This is why I always put something over it and plug in a dead mic.
Privacy is important. Just because you're being paid doesn't mean that you should have to fully disclose everything to your employer.
So glad I’m an independent contractor, a 1099 contract employee. I use my own laptop, my own smartphone, and my own private email. I have the option to use a corporate issued email, but I don’t to keep my activity and my records private.
If thats worth only making 25% of the pay you could be, just so you can watch porn on the same device you send emails on, more power to you dude, but for me Im gonna keep using the company laptops.
I don't know how the economy, or math works in your country, but it's usually the 25% you loose by being someone else's slave. Of course that's all you do if it's the only thing you can do.
If a company is going as far to just check whatever you do and dig into the data. Just flag the company on websites for being complete sociopaths/red flag to work for.....
Then you might as well red flag almost every large company in business. Thanks to hackers, ransomware, and AI, companies have major risks now. My company doesn't even let us save data files to our local hard drive or use the USB either. We edit on the network only.
@@jeffer2350meanwhile I worked at a small company and copied my whole work hard drive and took it home lol
@jeffer2350 you now need to ask permission to download the internal files that let usb work. So that during startup your computer won't read usb. I was on vacation when the update came out and then when I am doing a start up with a usb that is required by my engineering team to use, I had to call IT to get the files on my computer and permission.
@@jeffer2350 let's get started
Hacking in general is out of control. But hey, we just predicted putting everything online was a bad, an no one listened.
I used to work in IT. Yes, we can pretty much see anything, but unless instructed too, we're not typically actively monitoring you. But, yeah... we can.
If it looks at my stuff....I feel bad for them 😂
@@cirelesten😂😂😂
Micromanagement 101
No wonder some people get miserable at work. If you have to micromanage a team, get a new team…or a robot.
Agreed. We will keep micromanaging until morale improves :).
From a security standpoint it's not micromanaging but if there is a business case where certain information is needed or requested, it can be gathered within the Microsoft suite of tools. Normally a security team is only looking at this information for an investigation, an alert gets triggered, or it shows up in a policy / compliance issue.
Very unlikely is the team that is bad, most likely is the boss who is the micromanager. Also, this is not different than security cameras. Are we using them for security or checking if people are working or not.
If you have to micromanage, you shouldn't be in management in the first place.
Agree
Imagine being in a meeting of concern because your mouse was idle for an unacceptable amount of time, 10 seconds, 5 times during a 5 minute call.
Also never forget, you are never aware of how long your manager has been building a case file against you. You might be able to defend yourself against a couple of things but they have volumes of stuff against you designed to wear you down to the point you can't justify everything. Your manager is never your friend & your colleagues should be just that, usually.
A few things to remember this is company property and software people are working with.
As a general rule of thumb it should only have company data on it, us folks in IT don’t want to have to dig up 100GB of family photos or your personal information if you get terminated are leaving the company.
IT admins generally have god access and can theoretically see whatever they want on a corporate device so long as it’s online.
That said we have neither the time nor care to monitor staff , but if you’re in trouble with your boss they may request access to this information.
If it’s something important to track or report on it’s an automated process that spits out an alert or report.
Broadly speaking IT is in staffs corner when it comes to privacy and frequently push back when executives try and roll out aggressive monitoring software.
I work remotely. Management is very open about the fact that they record every phone call we make and tap into calls/meetings whenever they feel like it. They also informed us that they routinely check our notes and documentation to see how thorough we are. They've also told us that our direct supervisor monitors each of our computer screens throughout the day to see exactly how all of us are managing our time. I'd image that any remote work team manager who doesn't admit this is only being sneaky. Working from home or even in your private office on location with the door closed gives you only as much privacy as having your company's CEO sit on your lap in front of the computer would give you. I don't care because I don't screw around during work hours. I have a personal computer I use for fun after work. I also have a separate room for my office and keep the work desk inside the closet. But you better believe I shut down that computer, put the headphones in a case inside a drawer, close the closet up, and shut the office door behind me every single evening.
and since you are told this, there is no need to monitor, because you fear being monitored
If there's 43000 employee who will monitor 43000 employee no one. IT are not to go into computer without employee knowledge at least this is what I was told by IT. Every time they need to troubleshooting something they asked for my authorization if they go into my computer.
@@glow1815 it only takes software to monitor 43,000 employees
Software looks for items or actions that are not and then reports that to whoever is concerned. Every transaction and other interaction with the internet goes through centralized computers.
Thanks for showing. Although I have nothing to hide, this is really going too far and violates my privacy enormously.
I imagine the reason much of this exists is for what @ctCJ is saying in the comments. it's for things like legal discovery if something goes sideways. I'm curious how many employers actually use these reports for things outside of that reason. That said, maybe I'm naive as I don't have time to look at this as a boss. -Brian
@@PragmaticWorks I think it is used more often then you think, most likely on a ad-hoc basis, when needed or suspicious or whatever. Or even just in bulk massive surveillance, who knows.?
If you are using the company equipment for personal use, you are putting all of your coworkers at risk. Hackers and AI are at work to do ransomware and steal the company secrets. Go buy yourself a smartphone or tablet to do your personal stuff on 5G at work instead of putting the company network at risk.
Us admins, have enough crap to do on a daily basis and could care less about some joe schmoe is doing on Wednesday. The only reasons this would ever come up is because the owner of the company is suspect of someones performance, which they have the right to be, or for litigation reasons like FOIA requests, or legal cases (lawyers)
@@UGotTheFunk "because the owner of the company is suspect of someones performance, which they have the right to be" Is that a right? What about the right for privacy?
Big brother is always watching. 👀
Big business is not the government. Though people seem to let them act like it...
@@deadwingdomain you must not be paying attention. Who do you think pays the bribes in the first place?
I think its important to trust eachother and if you are a manager you won't have to worry about what your employees get up to if they feel engaged. It's about leading rather than managing.
“Naive” is all i can say
Nah, trust doesn't scale and the stakes are too high for big companies (or even mid sized companies). I hate spying as much as everyone else and there should be laws that limit the scope but as a company who's paying for all these resources you want to have visibility on them. I've always assumed they can read my messages but seems like that's still limited. I didn't see anything particularly controversial here, the visibility admins get into the state of my machine caught me off guard but that's about it. If you have edge security software running on your machine all the things in this list pale in comparison.
This confirms that watching this at work should be done using 2nd computer. On different network. I am setup with KVM and 2 internet connections. Thank fully.
Pretty much got a split screen on my monitor and have my personal and work computer putter running side by side…
I worked for an organization that had multiple locations across the USA in the 1990s. We heard about two people who lived in separate locations. They sent each other smutty emails and thought their conversations were private. Instead, they were an example of what NOT to do on a company network!
If I want to know what people are doing I just walk through the office. That's how we did it back in the 20th century.
Universities also. They can access your camera even when you select to "turn camera off" they can view you because of user agreements you signed.
Use tape if you plan to be off camera.
This applies very limited to EU workers as we actually have laws that protect our privacy. Really, the M365 dashboard works differently here. GL there in the USA!
the land of the free 😅
Don't connect to the company wifi system with your personal phone and use a VPN. If you do, consider every, text, tweet, email and search going directly to HR.
SNS texting is another ball game though. If you are paranoid you should be using end-to-end encrypted messaging like Signal anyway. I guess in theory your office could have a cell extender in it to increase reception in the office that might leak texts.
Yup.
The contents of your messages are not visible from the network traffic unless you are sending them over unencrypted websites or services. Text messages are easily intercepted, the SMS protocol was designed long before the concept of online privacy. But when it comes to most apps, the network traffic can show you used a certain service at a certain time, but not who you were communicating with, or the contents of those messages.
If my manager looked at my computer usage she'd just see that i spent 10h in the same excel spreadsheet and furiously using copilot
My company "deactivated" that stuff (GDPR/european union privacy act exists, you know). While at the same time installing something that when you google it, tells you outright that it monitors everything you do on a computer.
This is hell
Report them
@@JohnSmith-op7ls you can’t.
Yes, usually on company computers all network traffic is monitored, either though use of certificates etc. This monitoring is mostly automated process, and that message is there mostly to scare you not to visit websites that are not sanctioned or work related. All network activity is logged but only suspicious and flagged activity might get you into some trouble. Single visit on sanctioned website is ok.
If you're only using for work related you shouldn't sound scare. Nothing should be afraid of.
I just love how Microsoft spied on the company bosses to see that they were spying too much on their employees so Microsoft restricted spying capabilities to those bosses :D
I wouldn’t want to work for the boss who has that much time on their hands lol
I am in IT, we do not go this deep unless there is a specific reason to do so. By the way, every employer has that much control but no time to check everything every employee is doing
@@VicMansaMusa makes a lot of sense. I’m one of those people that’s highly productive but don’t micromanage me. I’m probably not where I said I’d be lol
When working remotely, I expect there would be some level of tracking / surveillance from the employer - especially websites visited. Major rule is never use the work laptop or device as you would a personal one. I'm sure they can override the microphone deactivation. But I deactivate it anyway, and use that little plastic shield to cover the camera lens.
My opintion is the output is good who gives a flip if they worked for 8 hours that day or someone gigachadded only 8 minutes. If there performance is bad well that is all the info you really need too... I guess in that case you can at least maybe try and "diagnose" the cause for the poor performance but I suspect talking to the person for five minutes about the performance alone is going to yield a better outcome regardless.
I can confirm this as I'm in eDiscovery, Purview, and Defender XDR daily.
I teach it
Yup, and what you can unearth from e.g. Defender Advanced hunting is pretty amazing.
Our company installed mitm certs. They do track Everything!
I've always assumed I have zero privacy in my workstation. There's so many safeguards running that I have roughly 50% of my RAM available at any given time. I can see log reports automatically generated from some activities, like PowerShell sessions. Even simple consultations sometimes generate a transaction ID. Software I download sometimes end up in the official company repository a few weeks later, so I assume they've analyzed it for security reasons but ended up liking it. So I'd say, don't do anything you'll have a hard time explaining later.
Of course, This isn't the type of data managers/supervisors should have access to. It's for security reasons and to support an investigation in case something weird happens, not for micromanaging.
My office does it by default. You can’t do anything install anything access anything email anything look anything up without having to first run it by IT because they have everything locked down so incredibly fucking tight.
I got tagged to make a photo archive 690 photos of a project we are working on ….. I couldn’t even download them from the camera to the workstation because connecting devices is disabled. They had to be emailed one at a time.
I think we work for the same company!
Even in the US, supervisors beware. If you use this as a method of discovery , you may pave the way to lose your own job. Dont be tempted to single out employees to target for your reading leisure, logs tell on that too.
you might as well force the webcam to be turned on during the shift. time to ditch the corporate world and become solo
In that case you will become the target of hackers and AI just like your employer.
This is basically why you'd use USB switches for your hardware that can be monitored: Just kill that device.
I have done that, and I am not going back. Camera & Mic are only on when I am in a meeting/call, for example.
Over react much? This video doesn’t show anything surprising.
@@mementomori29231not if you just entered the workforce yesterday. There was a time when every keystroke and mouse click wasn't monitored.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or have conversations with your imaginary friend and do psychotic rants and then look at them like they’re the ones that are crazy😂😂😂😂😂
As a 365 VP AI can tell you that I could not care less about snooping on users. However, once AI is able to monitor content without humans combing through messages, you may find that getting flagged for anti-management discussion, toxic communication styles, or lack of activity may increase.
Now imagine having to discuss a bad employee without being able to use any negative adjectives for fear of ending up in HR.
It won't take long for people to understand how to adapt their language to avoid flagging, or to have some difficult conversations "in person", maybe just outside the premises, or over their personal phones. Those tools will soon become a hefty monthly liability. AI will ultimately turn into the boon of human relationships, not only because of the risk of surveillance, but also because of the deepfakes.
I brought a 14 inch HP Chromebook that i take along to work so that if i need to do anything personal i use that. Even if its just checking closing time of a business i will still use the Chromebook. It gives them absolutely nothing that they can use against me.
They told us 'bring your own device' is a thing of the past a few weeks ago
but, you shouldn't use their wifi network for browsing, etc.
@@orangemoonglows2692yea, I hope gruber86 is using their personal mobile on 4G as a WiFi connection!
Yeah I definitely don’t use it for work purposes and I only use internet from my personal phones hotspot. (Yes I even have 2 phones, one for everything work related and my personal number) I personally would not work for a company that made me BYOD, if you need something to achieve your work being completed they can supply it.
Can’t trust any business these days, I have been shafted so many times that I am super paranoid about it all. I even have a full work journal that I log most things in just in case.
@@orangemoonglows2692 yep I definitely won’t use works wifi for my personal devices
Thanks for enlightening the bosses
This is why universities lost the 5tb storage we had for OneDrive all the way down to 100gb. They needed all the spare space for the data logging.
Please Google the word satire before commenting below 😂
No this is because Microsoft has reduced the amount of storage and how it is calculated for education licenses. In the past years two major changes were made: for large orgs, it is at least 100 times smaller now. This information is public: use your favorite search !
@@sashkashurik lol never heard of a joke before? You should get out more.
@@aussiegruber86🧢
mine still had 5tb
@@varunagarwal9922 it’s actually gone back to 5tb, they had a lot of back lash
If a company takes action against you for activity, without documentation and communication, that is an employment lawsuit my friends. Companies and Managers should be very careful with this technology. If someone commits fraud, crimes or uses of equipment for personal use, then that is a different happenstance. So don’t let these tools cause anxiety if you’re a basic worker.
Is there a way to recall my own M365 activity for a day? There is a good side to this where I want to recall the things I’ve actively worked on.
Here’s something to consider. Does being in meetings 8hrs a day make you more valuable to an organisation? Does typing 8hrs a day make you more valuable? If you monitor all employees e-mails, are you using that to monitor if people are getting bullied or if they’re talking about last night’s game? If you’re not monitoring bullying, why not? If someone is talking about last night’s game, is that a problem? If so, why?
Most important, what are people monitoring doing instead of actually working ? They need to go after doers as through out the human history, It has always been a scam
@@BossFlight - My point here is that it is difficult to measure productivity in a system that doesn’t output widgets or words per minute. Not typing something can be because someone is thinking. Not all thinking is done on Teams calls or in meetings. Being in meetings for many hours a day leaves little time to think or actually do stuff.
Possibly because the people monitoring are doing all the bullying. A lot of Gov Depts don't want people working at home as Managers can't strut about undermining others or trying to assert their unwelcome style on everyone. Deprive them of an Audience and they hate it.
@@OH2023-cj9if - Yeah, agreed. Those big bosses get lonely when there’s no audience to be in awe of them.
@@Matt-yg8ub - It wasn’t trolling, it was a rhetorical counterpoise to the corporate “monitor everything” thing. It’s not really possible to assess the effectiveness of an employee by the proportion of time online.
I am a manager at a large software company. That admin panel you pulled up is NOT available to your average manager. IT has it for sure, and they could be called if you are doing something really dumb. But as a manager I cannot just randomly go ask for that report. HR would want to know WHY I want to know.
As an IT man. Let's make this clear. If it is thier PC. They can see anything and everything done on it. If they put in the effort.
Employer employee relationships should be based on mutual trust, if not just start looking for a new job/employees, it never ends well, be it constant surveillance/monitoring, report "sync" meeting, mandatory RTO,... are just trashy behaviors companies uses out of fear to put themselves in a superior position they lost
Best advice here. No mutual trust (and respect), fly away.
Never get stuck in a "golden cage"
As a former IT-admin i can tell you looking through a "private" work correspondence of a former worker is highly illegal as per european law. This also includes Teams and other form of communication, our protocol was to always have someone from a corporate legal team as part of procedure and written consent of ex-employee or legal reperesentative, court order etc. so for mail communications, someone requesting access had to specify in much detail what correspondence he was looking and he was allowed to have access only to that correspondence, everything else was off limits. If we would skirt the rules that would be over for us, as Data protection officers inside&outside company take these things very seriously. We had inTune on corporate phones, theoretically allowed tracking, but due to privacy laws we were not allowed to track phones even if they were lost, much to the frustation of the users. Best we could do is play a sound or send a message, but that's it.
If only I could say or knew that kind of respect/dignity and lawful adherence was present or accessible in South Africa; many employers, especially tech and mobile network companies just issue you a contract that informs you that as part of your contract you have to agree (sign) and avail yourself to the fact that they’ll track and use any of your email etc communications, data as well as submit you to a compulsory polygraph test.
So people, especially those just entering the work force, just sign their lives away or ignore it completely figuring they won’t get caught or that they have no choice; it’s accept it and have a job or don’t and never get one
Geeze. I don't even have a reason to be paranoid, but now I am more paranoid.
Congress should make a law banning people from accessing private messages even you have signed a contract that contract should be null and void.
My work computer has a notice that all activity done is monitored.
I'm well aware of the dangers.
Thank you for sharing 🙏
Awesome, my employer will never know I watched this using their computer, on company time.
Most bosses don’t have access to the admin center and compliance. There is a robust process that keeps supervisors out of it. Enterprise email is happened in one department.
After Watching this video I’m so glad I don’t have an office job anymore. What an absolute dystopian nightmare that looks like. If I did have an office job, I’d basically be bringing in my own laptop for ANYTHING beyond just the bare minimum company tasks and software installed on the work computer. Just the few official apps with very terse business related messages on the official computer, and I’d use my own (with encrypted tunnelling) for all web browsing, media playback, and all other messages.
That is what you should do. I work in an office environment and we have extreme rules on where we keep data and what we are allowed to do. I am okay with it because it isn't the fault of the company. It is hackers and AI that have caused the harm. This has cost companies millions of dollars trying to deal with the security requirements and protect against AI stealing company intellectual data. Company losses mean lower salary and layoff's for us employees.... Lets protect the data.
corporate networks use 802.1x port authentication to verify devices - you cant' just plug in random devices to open ethernet ports and get on the network. Same goes for wifi. Everything is tracked, on ALL connections
What company allows you to use your own laptop at work? Seems more than a little weird.
@@woodalexander That is my thought too. My employer won't allow a personal laptop to connect to the network by any method. I can email a few web links for business sites from personal email and that is about it.
I suppose someone could use personal laptop in lieu of cell phone for personal use, but a laptop with 5G is expensive.
@@jeffer2350 It seems weird to me that you'd even be allowed to have a personal laptop in a lot of companies, although I have seen them in one case (not sure if they are really allowed though).
I think that in general ditching Microsoft is a good idea.
I doubt Google or the other providers aren't any better.
@@PragmaticWorks I think Matrix is much better tho. Or other alternative free and open source products.
Your company or boss determines. Your choice doesn't matter
I had an O365 license with my school that was active several years after graduating. When it finally got canceled I just downloaded LibreOffice, works great for what I need.
@@PragmaticWorks google is no better, they honestly data mine absolutely everything
I am a M365 admin. Yes we can see everything. No we dont unless your boss asks us too.
You left out 1 main thing. Does it track if you are available in teams between PC and mobile versions?
That first screenshot about the boss is just very specific about the boss to employee interactions... not everything that employee is doing
GUIDs aren't not a method of weak anonymity, they're just the Microsoft version of a unique identifier for a user account. UUIDs in Linux are similar. It's a unique, queryable value. If user Djones worked for the company 5 years ago, left, and a new Djones gets hired, you could potentially re-use the user account name, but have unique GUIDs
At my first sales job we were expected to make 80 calls per day with 180 minutes of connected phone time. A report on every employee's call numbers and connected time came out twice a day and was sent to the entire company. The owner would then comment on who did well and who needed improvement. It was kind of nerve-wracking.
I appreciate all the IT honest response and comments. They are absolutely correct. Nobody has time for that unless requested by employee leaderships or reported by someone one or red flag alert than yes they will look onto it. Where i work IT need our authorization to get into employee computer thay can't just pop up out of no where lol plus we have to request a ticket to even an IT will resolve troubleshooting. The ticket has reference numbers to the issues we have to confirm.
Honestly, don’t let this scare you from using your equipment!!! It’s only important if they go looking, but that is rare! I had an it guy do remote observation audits. He would open notepad and saying “Take a break” 😂 never had issues
Fyi when they make you do onboarding or try to nicely make it seem like no big deal to just downloaf their app or login to their workday...or visit their websitw fkr something...READ THE FREAKING TERMS YOU AGREE TO.
Great video, very interesting. What about the details of outlook meetings and calendar entries set to “private”
Technically, an administrator can make themselves a delegate of yours (a person who can act on you behalf). Then they can see all private appointments easily.
@@PragmaticWorksthank you
@@PragmaticWorks That's why you when you schedule a block of time on your calendar for personal reasons, simply name the event "Private", with no other details. Then track whatever you need in your personal life calendar somewhere else. What matters is people know that you're busy.
This monitoring is not legally allowed in the UK/EU.
Yeah the government hates the competition
@@atari7001Yeah, the whole laissez faire, “It’s A pRiVaTe CoMpAnY, tHeY cAn Do WhAtEvEr ThEy WaNt” attitude has really shown its limits in the post-“Mexican beer,” brave new world we inhabit.
However, companies are just following the example of the government here in US. The Patriot Act passed nearly 23 years ago, and since the 4th Amendment is apparently an analog concept, privacy has essentially been made obsolete in our always online, digital world.
LOL check again... it is not monitoring at all. these tools are available for business continuity purpose and for legal reasons and are definitely there in England. Active monitoring is not allowed in many countries.
@@sashkashurikcopilot reports are absolutely active monitoring.
As a hacker and engineer I have so much fun with companies who do things like this.
It's just so easy to cause chaos and get people in hit water fir nothing
Big brother is watching.
I always put in six point text, white text on white background, in my email signature. Some controversial terms just haphazardly spread around, solely because I knew this type of stuff was going on.
I took early retirement to live on social security and Medicare, best decision of my life!
Maybe this should be a question to ask an employer before you accept the job. Who wants to be under surveillance all the time? How draconian.
Very informative video. Thank you.
I have a question I can't seem to get an answer doing some research. Can an employer be selective in which employees in an office use time tracking software like timecamp? Does project management software need to be applied across all employees in a workplace ? I would imagine this would violate some kind of equal treatment laws no?
Also, I'm not referring to time clocking software for paychecks. Specifically referring to project management software to monitor and streamline a company's efficiency.
0:15 this clearly shows a summary of interactions the person who asked the question had with the person who is the subject of the question, NOT what you claim it does (i.e. what they'd been doing today in general). Do you think UA-cam audience is stupid and can't read?
Outside of Microsoft:
1. IT can see all your local files, hidden or not.
2. If you are connected to their network, they see everything you're doing that requires internet. You connected your personal smartphone to the company internet? Then yes, I can tell you what app you used at what time.
If a manager has the time to monitor all their employees, they are babysitter and not a manager. Hire a trusting staff that has clear goals and targets that are measurable and hold them accountable. Measure the output and not the busy work.
Anything owned by your company belongs to them. So if you’re using anything provided by the company, be aware that they can track and monitor it.
It’s that simple
I watch UA-cam all the time 😂 I told my boss I need some background noise 😂.
That is a great idea!, I will tell the same to my boss hahahah
Great info!!
Thanks for watching!
I think the problem is that not everyone knows this. It is an invasion if it is not clearly stated HOW MUCH they can do. When an employee signed the contract, it probably didn't say they would be monitored. If it was clearly stated and not implemented in an underhanded manner, then there is a clear expectation that it should not happen outside of what was stated. It doesn't say people will not install cameras in bathrooms on private business property, but " it is the company toilet " doesn't seem like a great excuse to watch someone poop.
I work at a VA hospital and the VA Police searched a co-workers car and he got fired. We never found out why? We think he had stolen hospital drugs, so apparently they can search your car.
Well, good thing that searching email, even employee email, is forbidden over here due to privacy laws :)
I don't use my work computer for anything personal. That is what my personal phone, chromebook, tablet, and laptop is for.
This shouldn't be news. Absolutely everything you do on a company's computer network can be tracked.
If you're tracking mouse clicks and keyboard presses, you're tracking effort rather than results. You need better metrics to determine whether an employee is being productive.
A lot of people got fired over Slack private messages thinking its pretty hard for the admin to look up conversations.
As an engineer who spends a lot of time not using MS office, using 3rd party software, and wandering around a manufacturing site resolving issues, MS thinks I do nothing at all, their "Viva insights" thing literally thinks I do nothing..........
I think this stuff is really bad, because it's all subjective, people sitting in an office judging people by what they do themselves. I didn't sit punching numbers into Excel for the 8 hours that they did, but I created a script and parsed data out of 2 million csv files to populate an Excel sheet, in less than 20 minutes and hit Excels limitation on number of cells, I then imported that data into minitab, at which point i'm no longer using an MS app and as such not doing any work.
At what point do we stop judging performance based on how much that person suffered and start judging performance based upon outcomes?
I literally saw the thumbnail and thought "He looks like Saul Goodman" then the first image shown the name is "Zane Goodman" 😮😮😮
The reason people should work for themselves only. Corporate environments like this are not healthy even if you are a top performer.
Insider threat analyst here.. we can see everything, doesn’t mean we are monitoring you. Not all managers have access to those admin consoles.. they can get a report from the admin team, but don’t give them a reason to.
Trust me, they can see everything you do on their network. PERIOD. I know from experience.
Presence is problematic, although it's better now, sometimes you can be online and working and presence doesn't show you as available, especially if you are working from a phone or tablet. You can get a lot done on phones these days
Why did you need 10+ minutes to say “everything?” Seriously though, very interesting to see how it is done which makes it much more real
because videos under 10 minutes aren't monetized the same... all about the dolla dolla bills, yo'
Don’t use your bosses computer to talk crap about them.
LOL!!!
This feels wrong, it’s evasion of privacy but at the same time I understand why it is needed
I've seen an application that they can use through the network to access your browsing history.
I’m not tech savvy. But this is why I never trusted “work from home” using my personal internet service or computer. I have nothing to hide but I can see where a company boss would put a twist on anything to cause you grief. Oh wait, I don’t trust anyone to begin with.
And people keep calling the the EU stance towards data privacy “unnecessary limiting”. Brave new world.
to any IT guy here, i once logon to a company website, the website was an IP number( is a website that set up by them, taking leave, and etc salary checking site, using my own PC from my home. Since then, i can hear them talking about things i did on my PC. How do i get rid of it? i did format my pc many times, but seems like that thing is still there, i did not downlaod anything, i just login the website using my home PC
Go to your browser and clear your cookies
That's a full time job. As a manager I don't have time to monitor everyone I'm not paid enough for this. They have IT for a reason Smh. What I care is how you deliver the job. The rest of that I dont care lmao
The big question for me was whether they could hear or transcribe calls.
Or have an ai summary of it right in the report
Copilot saves users' information in one same place in the cloud, not in the devices being used.
Remember, like any tool, it can be used for good or for bad.