Finally Something Went Right! Farmall MD rockers & oil pump
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Today I'm working on the Farmall MD rocker arm assembly and oil pump, and finally something went right! I disassemble, clean, check the components, and reassemble. As I do the work, I explain how the oil pump and rocker arm assemblies work and what to look for when evaluating them.
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Good choice removing that screen!!! Your DEPTH of knowledge on this rebuild is amazing!
I am always impressed how these tractor engines are built so robust and intentionally under powered for their displacement. Lasts forever.
Enjoy watching you used to restore tractors when I was younger and now I live vicariously by watching you
One of the many farmers I used to know, told me that during the war he’d drain the oil in his tractor and poured it in a paper
Hey Pete I always enjoy your videos I watch them late so when you say hi I'm Pete my sleeping wife growl's hi Pete because I forget to turn the sound down so always a good start keep up the great work 😁 Chris
How can this be SO fascinating to me?? 🧐
New to your channel and I was watching some of your older videos about how you first started and one really hit me about when you talked about the business plan and balancing your happiness not being measured in dollars and cents . I ordered your book today and I can’t wait for it to arrive! Thank you for the content, definitely inspiring to me!
Great method to disassemble and keeping in order, though it's the first time I've heard that it's not necessary to keep pins in order. There's a1st time for everything I guess, great vid!
Great Day in the Shop Pete. Those old engines where built to last.
RECEIVED my coffee mug yesterday, tee shirts this week.
Your knowledge is impressive. I enjoy learning from you Professor Pete. You have no-nonsense smooth delivery. Animals appreciate that too.
Continued: in a paper bag and let it hang until and intact oily bag was left. He poured it back in the tractor engine and added more to bring it to full. It seems that filters was easy to come by but oil was a premium price.
Built like a tank!
Something about the old technology. Tried and true. Of course, I’m getting to be old technology so maybe that’s why I like it so much! 😄
Enjoying the process. This is really interesting
You have made a lot of progress, looking forward to the engine coming back!
Third!! Finally! Always good to not have to have new parts when inspecting something!! Thank you for the attention to detail during this process!! Look forward to more !
Great video Pete thanks. Good thing you took apart pump cleaned screen no stone unturned there will be nothing wrong this engine. You'll have to keep this tractor in the house when all done this is your baby. Thankyou again I enjoy watching learning have a great day.
very interesting. thankyou for showing use
I have enjoyed all these rebuild videos. Thank you
love your videos and I love to watch you work on old tractors
Great video that MD will be running for another eighty years thanks for sharing
You should have been a teacher. For some one that's not a mechanic, you sure have alot of knowledge.
Can hardly wait for assembly and start up. I love engine rebuilding.
Nice video
Awesome! The video went well with my coffee on a Sunday morning
Great catch on that oil screen and taking it completely apart to clean. You are making great progress!
In Aviation we cut open the filters and run a magnet through them. Any metal that sticks is steel or iron and most likely comes from the Cam, Crankshaft or rings. Helps identify the potential source. We also take a sample of the oil at each change and send it for spectrographic analysis. A report is provided showing all the materials and most importantly the level. We watch the levels of all the materials during each oil change to look for any trends or increases. The oil filters can also be sent out for analysis and they can tell you exactly where the wear metals are coming from. The process can even identify a clogged air filter or leak in the induction system by the level of silicon in the oil sample.
Hey Pete, you may want to consider installing an o ring seal on the pickup tube where it slides into the housing. Over the years I’ve built dozens of engines as a professional mechanic and was always careful that there weren’t any leaks in the pickup or gaskets for the tube. The reason for this is to ensure the incoming oil doesn’t bypass the screen and introduce foreign material that could damage the gears. I did this on a super m I did recently and it worked out well. The tube was sealed in the housing and still was able to float. The tractor I overhauled had a big dent in the pan and that floating pickup saved it from being damaged.
That will keep the pick up screen from floating up and down with oil level .
Great video to see that rockers are in such good shape for the age a testament to the good production from IHC. Looking forward to more on the rebuild. IHC FAN!
Great....as always,just noticed today,for some reason,your a lefty? Lucky you......and me!
Another great video! Can't wait to hear it start up for the first time after this rebuild!
Happy Anniversary
Interesting hearing your justification as to why you don't use a media blaster cabinet. And there is nothing wrong with your way of thinking and doing things that works for you. I love my media blaster cabinet and use it a heck of a lot. But I work on items that once blasted, I am ready to finish. So it is personal choice. Oh yes, I do have the parts washer and so many other pieces of equipment to remove crud, paint and rust. But I tailor my cleaning efforts to what I am working on at the time. Thumbs Up!
Pete you are doing a great job.
Enjoyed very much! Thanks Pete!
Interesting to watch this all come together, great video series 👍
Early again love seeing the progress
Hi Pete!
Hi!
Looking good Pete......
Thanks for another great video Pete!
Hey Pete. Finally got my 650D running. Besides a small intake leak at the manifold end caps, the biggest problem was the butterfly valve shaft wasn't tripping over center, so the valves were not fully closed. Big intake leak. lol! I had to manually finish tripping it. Stumbled on this as I was trying to start it by pouring gas in the intake manifold. Due to vibration it tripped over center on its own and away it went. I actually was looking at the trip lever on the shaft when it moved, that is how I stumbled on it. Just need to figure out why it won't go over center on its own. Sticky, or an adjustment.
i love these videos
Sir very good work
Nice birds.
The only thing different that I did was on the rocker shaft, those lifter arms that set on the push rod and the valve top..... if there are some slack in like just one or maybe two, then I find two identical ones and trade places to see what the difference is for tightening up that little that you found on the one at the end. I go till I am satisfied that both are happy trading places. Like you, my sandblast cabinet is having micro dust floating in the air which is your enemy for sure.... so far so good. Wish more metal could be saved but if we saved it all, why make new.... sorta. Bells and whistles is all they add to new stuff.
Great job Pete!
I’m currently rebuilding the engine of a 1950 8n Ford tractor. It’s interesting to see the differences and similarities between your Farmall and my 8n, as well as the methods you employ.
if your checking for play in parts, you normaly don't want to use a lot of grease, preferebly you would use a very light oil to prevent wear, but if you use grease it can mask little dips or cracks in the parts
Great video Pete.
That engine has some serious history .
I wonder if it has 61,000 hours like meter kinda showed.
So if run 3 hours a day, 6 days a week, be 72 hours a month= 864 a year * 30 years = 25920 .
So it is possible .
I know during many months, my Uncles tractors during spring be plowing/disc/harrowing 8-10 hours easy a day.
Hay season , be same. Mow in morning, rake & bale. Easily another long day.
Chopping corn, then picking corn. Tractor on the silage blower ran steady , maybe idled down between loads.
Surprisingly. When only two/three tractors on a farm each gets lots of use.
This tractor to me shows it had lot of work. Seems fairly decent maintenance was done or we see more wear.
Pete this been a enjoyable ride, couple bumps in the road , sharp left once in awhile.
But your doing Great.
Hang in there , we are hanging with ya. 💯‼️
Thanks Mr Vailtown! You added a zero; the meter was at around 6,100 hours. 61,000 hours would be an amazing achievement!
I didn't understand the spec for the oil pump (I'm not a mechanic, so no surprise!). Seems like there would be two specs; top gear/shaft end play, and the assembled end gap for the pickup. The later being the one that would determine whether to use one or stack two gaskets? Maybe that's what you said, I just didn't get it! Great progress, thanks for bringing us along in the process!
I'm not sure how a MD engine is, but on a cub, there are a couple of plugs that can be removed to prime the oil pump. In my case, the pump was always losing prime if it sat a few weeks without running. I'm pretty sure that the cause was a crack in an oil galley caused by a weld in the block. It never did that before the weld.
Maybe a magnet for the bottom of the pan?
Hi Pete! Another great video, I am really enjoying these tractor restoration videos. As luck would have (for us at least!), we are also in the process of an MD engine rebuilt so these videos are mega helpful. Just on the third valve actuator arm, ours was also welded in the same location as yours, and we even have a spare-parts rocker assembly from a second engine and that too was welded in that same location. It must have been a common weak point - or is it possible they came from the factory like that, may be not :)
Hi Bryan, wow that's quite a coincidence. Maybe it was factory, or maybe it's as common as cracked heads on MD's. Best of luck with yours!
Feeding the algorithm.
You gona be able to salvage that piece on the pump? Like the screen.
Usually they call these IHs a thirteen letter shit spreader but these older ones seen to be built MUCH better and it shows. The parts here are in still really great condition, even without their age.
These video of the tractor are very interesting, you sure know your stuff that’s for sure. Don’t you find putting things in a plastic bag that they condensate at all
I've never had a problem with condensation. My shop has very low humidity in the winter.
Things went right?! well ya know what they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while! - Dan, Afton NY
lol thats funny
I don't know if you let your kids play on pcs or xbox or stuff like that but I'f you do I recommend farming simulator 19 for Henry I never thought I would like it but I started playing and now I love it I love having old ih tractors on it.
I have a very random question but I can't get it out of my mind so here it is.
How many of roses descendents do you have on your farm still?
We still have 2 of her female offspring.
Once again, another great video and lesson in patience and organization. Just curious, how long did these 2 projects take you?
Hi Pete, I am Samuel. I want to start collecting the old Farmall tractors. I am 21 years old and don’t know that much about them and the worth of buying them at auction. I have found a Farmall 100 I think it’s a Super A. It runs and operates. In decent condition I was wondering what it’s worth would be.
What solvent do you use in your parts washer? And what is the red stuff you put under the oil pump gasket.
Boy, you must have a photogenic memory! 😁🙄😏🧐
Hi Pete! Great video, as always. I love your videos. I have a question; what do you use to clean your parts? Thank you and stay safe.
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Thanks for the video!
Excellent video Pete :) also if need do engine overall on another try use a 1 quart in Engine Oil of crankcase to add is brand name called Gunk also Engine Flush run through engine on cold or hot but very good do when hot engine warm up better results also run through for bottle says 5 mins and say 10 mins ! Then change engine oil plus filter to also I have seen Oil Pick Up once like had sluge, carbon, metal bits was on V8 motor someone used a cheap brand of recycled engine oil plus dirty oil filter to and rich turn up carb plus leaks! But soon rebuilt was back to normal and if have happened again Pete on Oil Pan Pick screen use a mix of 60% Vinegar & 40% water boil together of hot or warm this mix and let soak in metal tub or pail for 30 mins then use soft old or new brush of tooth brush help clean like power washer to you used to after also! May sound weird but works to and try sometime ! Excellent work Pete :) and hope see more videos soon to!
Nice Calphalon Apron! When you're done with the MD, you'll clean it up, white as new, so you can use it i the kitchen again, right?
I could bury that apron tomorrow and when someone digs it up 1,000 years from now, it would look the same. I've worn it through 3 or 4 of these restorations.
Nic
What! No dad jokes?
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Exactly! Need our Dad jokes
Your videos are amazing. That's all I can say....get your son to help you an maybe learn some more. Thank you for your time.
👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽🙏🏻 Enjoyed!
Pete, another benefit to a wire wheel over sandblasting is that you don't come across sand in the system that you didn't know that got past a certain point.
Yes I didn't mention that. I've had some bad experiences with sand getting stuck in crevices and causing problems.
Same oil pump as A - T D 14
Hey Pete, what do you use in your parts cleaner? Do you use mineral spirits or diesel or something else?
Maybe a dumb question, but is it recommended to mate the same teeth on the oil pump gears? I know transmission gears are usually composed of indivisible combinations of teeth, to promote even wear and avoid noise. I assume that's not an issue in a pump that's constantly bathed in high pressure oil, but the identical gears must have some complimentary wear?
@@michaelowen1750 That's a good point. I hadn't considered the rpm. Also now that I think about it, the only torque those gears see is the resistance to flow by the oil itself, unlike the tremendous point loads you'd see in a transmission or final drive.
Good Stuff! How much longer do you think it will take to get the entire engine out together? (Before Spring??)
Hey Pete, love the show. question If I could.
Do you know much about the old cockshutt 1350s? I have the chance to get one at a good price. I have read they can have govoner problems. any idea how to tell if that's the case? Thanks in advance!
Hi Denn, I have no experience with Cockshutts. Sorry I can't help.
Thanks anyway.. keep up the great work, you have a real talent
I did not see you line up the timing marks on the oil pump gears ? keeps the gears running on the same teeth , they are there for a purpose .
These pumps do not have timing marks.
Hey Pete I’m a HUGE fan and down the road from my house is a old F-20 I’m guessing it’s been sitting on a shipping container for over 15 years I also think it’s a 1935 model and a narrow axle too I was wouldeing if you know how much it would be worth?? Because I really wanna buy it soo I just wanna ask you because I think ur the one who would know????
If the engine is stuck and the tires are shot, it’s not worth much more than scrap value. $500 max.
Thank you so much I’m not quite sure if the engine is stuck or not but I think the tires are shot I’m sure she’s got some water in her because she’s Been sitting so long but it’s on a huge shipping container soo I think no rodents or weeds got to it! Also loved the vid :D
According to my math. 5 thou for gasket minus the 1 thou for gear being proud of housing face would give you 4 thou end play. Seems you added 5 plus the 1.
The gear was beneath the housing, not above it.
My bad, your right
I highly recommend truing up the oil pump cover before you reinstall it in the engine. It'll add about 5 PSI to the pump output and that can make a big difference on an old tractor. I've done it with both of my Farmall B's. You're basically correcting 60 years of wear in about 10-15 minutes of elbow grease. Here's a video that I used as my guide: ua-cam.com/video/Vg6cptSr0Ds/v-deo.html
Warpage on the C113 oil pumps was unique to that series, due to the thinness and quality of the pot metal bottom plate. I have trued the pump covers on my Super A, Super C, and 504 because of leaks to caused by warped covers. The C/D 248 series engines are a whole different animal, without the oil pump cover issues of the smaller engines.
@@JustaFewAcresFarm Thanks again for the info and for documenting your journey through the rebuild/restoration process. I've been keeping an eye out for a project M or 560 to rebuild/restore. Your journey will definitely be a reference I use once I find a good candidate for my project.
Boy good thing you took that pump screen off. That crap could have led to catastrophic failure!
Sure are a lot of Arm Chair Mechanics questioning and trying to find mistakes in what you're doing. 🤓
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I think you have 4 thousands on the oil pump, not 6.
Gasket .005 + gear to body .001 = .006
Engine, motors are electric.
We could debate this endlessly. The original term for a tractor was an "engine." The whole thing was called an engine. The thing powering the engine is its motor. So this terminology remains for tractor motors, unique from other engines.