"Down the Shot Execution Rabbit Hole" Joel Turner x MFJJ x Tim Connor
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2024
- Joel Turner, MFJJ, and Tim Connor sit down and chat about many things archery including MFJJs recent Las Vegas Experience, proper shot execution and mental game, and a good ol fashioned fireside chat. #archery #podcast
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This episode requires multiple listenings. The way Joel explains things is incredible
was just thinking the same thing.
Mfjj I have bought all my achery gear from
Your online store wish I could come to your shop in person but I live in Tennessee and it’s 24 hrs away I just want to say thank you for all you do for the achery community you are a wealth of knowledge and will always have my support
I tried shooting my bow on one foot once as a handicap shooting with kids.. the most unpleasant and terrifying shot experience ever, shooting a bow! 😳
Been waiting all week for an episode! This one’s going to be a banger.
Just pausing my video to say thanks for having Joel again. I agree with MFJJ, I could listen to Mr. Turner talk for hours.
The next part of Joel's system I need is how to actually turn my focus off from aiming and "watching it like a picture". My execution takes too long (to be not an outright command) and my aim just falls apart after that ~5 second window. I start losing pressure on the draw shoulder, or I start having muscles attempt to go to natural aim/resting position without an actual focus on the target to pin relationship. I can't lock down how to keep focus on the target while also getting my brain to self correct the pin to the target without flipping focus back and forth.
That is the battle we all face my friend, haha. My biggest issue is being comfortable with my pin or dot having some movement and that it is covering the place I want to hit... My mind wants to see the spot I want to hit and I end up stuck in these low holds. What I try to do is tell myself I need to block out the middle for the shot to be ready to go... kind of reverse thinking. I am not trying to look at the middle, instead I am trying to block out the middle. Another trick you can use to see how steady your pin float is in your best case scenario is to draw your bow and aim, but don't shoot the arrow, and then let down. That will remove any tentativeness and anxiety of having to shoot... you can relax and just watch your pin float. I do it every few days, where I will just hold on target for 10-15 seconds letting my float just do its thing and get accustomed to seeing my pin blocking out the center... sometimes I let down, sometimes I decide to shoot. At the very least it shows you what kind of pin float you are working with. I'm at the point now where physically I can make almost every shot a decent one... but my mind cannot get out of its own way, lol...
One bit of advice I can say that is not spoken about enough, is that you need to find your own shot. There are so many people in the archery world telling you how you need to shoot to be perfect... but none of us are perfect and having a cookie cutter style shot may not work for you. Look down the line at the pros shoot and you will see so many styles of shooting and forms. From command, to surprise, and everything in between. Its good to use the mainstream things everyone says as tools to help you, but if you find yourself reverting to something year after year... your body and mind may be telling you something. I tried to change my shot this winter to be more "cookie cutter" and adopt all the "proper" methods and my scores dumped, and after a while I started to revert to old things that felt "right" and my scores went right back up. Experiment with things and listen to what people have to say, but at the end of the day, you need to make the shot, not them. Good luck man.
I've played golf competitively and I found I always performed better in tournaments than practice rounds. The higher the pressure, the lower the rounds. Senses were heightened, adrenaline was up, and that's normal... you just harness it to your advantage. Mind doesn't understand "don't"... whatever you focus on is what you get. You say don't hit it in the water, it's going in the water. Golfers have been using sports psychology and visualization for many years, but in the archery world people seem really new to these concepts. With that said, Joel has a talent for explaining things in a way that makes sense. I bought his course.
It's one of the best episodes ever. Love it
I'm only half way through it but damn! This podcast is pure gold
Awesome episode guys. I always enjoy listening to Joel Turner. I'm trying to figure how to close loop systems my life now!
Excellent show. I learned a lot from this one. Thank you all.
I would love to see video or videos on how to use bow building tools. Also how to properly use a rangefinder with angle compensation. And maybe a possible review of a portable bow press.
This was awesome! I definitely have to implement this.
Joel should put this into his online course, just added something in a very condensed way! I have subscribed only a week ago and (switching from Trad to Compound only a few weeks ago), it helped me so much. Although I enjoy your podcasts a lot, I'd like to see Joel joining you more often, if possible. Btw. thanks for this great format, we do not have anything like that in the german spoken Archery community.
Wow this was deep real cool video thanks guys 🙏🏽
Joel is a genius!! He’s helped me with so much. Great podcast!!!
awesome, interesting, really enjoyed it, wow! Thanks guys.
I run a renovation company & I thought it was stupid that when cutting in (painting). I’m constantly using the open & closed loop control system to control solid straight lines.
Best episode yet
Great info! Also I have a strange hankering for Kirklands shelled pistachios… wonder why😂
Sensei Turner, love this guy.
7K subs.... let's go!
I loooved the sentence : "you'd think we'd figured this $h#t out by now".
Next time I'm forgetting my shot process I'm gonna go : even Joel turner hasn't figured this $h#t out every time😅 great pod ❤
Excellent
I look for a new video from you guys everyday 😅
How about the mental game of keeping your eyes open when you sneeze 🤧. Fun conversation 👍
Where did Tim get that shirt? I need one.
The mental game is so tough. It’s a daily challenge.
Tim, MFJJ I love you both. Bought into Joel’s clicker Onnex and hated it. Time at the range solves the same issues he preaches. I can’t handle listening to him repeat himself over and over.
If everything's a mental game, I'm in trouble.😅
Joel Turner is a tough pill to swallow. Arrogance exemplified.
I'd love to get Josh's opinions on everything that is vanes. I've been testing in super windy conditions here in NC amd somehow the sk3 is quiter and groups the same in wind. I would expect the sk3 to be effected more by wind. I was seeing the sk3 amd the Dca minis group the same in wind out to 60 yards. With exception to the height since the sk3 is a little heavier
When I saw the sk3 was quiter in my first sentence, that is in comparison to thr sk2
When is the TED talk? Keep up the hard work Joel.
Where do I get the" is my target panic showing" shirt
Tell Joel Dr J from Denver says thanks for the harassment at the Bear Creek Archery clinic! Learned a ton, which is great for an old man!
So what I heard, is I have a new team to bet on this year 😜
I’ve noticed before Tim has the micro blink
This guy has developed a language which is supposed to act on your brain. The jury is out for me on his real effectiveness. In other words he has created a niche for himself and is working on convincing everyone that what he says is true. Shooting a bow should not be that big a deal unless of course you are doing it for money.
It also helps those of us that have alot of trouble with target panic which is what this was developed for the pro money part came later as a bonus.
Pretty good 👍 information
God's Blessings
The other thing Josh mentioned in an earlier podcast was that when he was at Vegas he was cognizant about his viewers possibly questioning his credibility if he shot poorly.
Where within archery is the leg lift
Can confirm that being shot at changes every part of your perspective 😂
Josh,
I said something to you on the line in Vegas. I just want to say “I apologize!” Whole heartedly. It was said jokingly. But still…. I didn’t realize you were having issues in the melon. Just hope it didn’t add to your frustrations.
What are you guys sipping on?
The thing I took away from this podcast was "peto-elk". I'm not sure if i want to know more details or to just be happy that ignorance is bliss 🤔😂
Joel, I’m upset! The Phillies are my nemesis and you just made them better. You’re the fixer tho. Asphalt lol
First!
Josh. Is it possible that the reason you constantly wait till the last minute to set up a bow is because you want to have excuses in your pocket if you shoot poorly? Like shit dude, your bow should be tuned going into a competitive environment. Why even go to something like Vegas if your goddamn bow isn’t set up properly? Especially if you’re so good at tuning that you feel comfortable educating people and criticizing other people. No more excuses.
Is it typical for Josh to take his shoes off and put his socked feet on the table during an interview?
Seems a bit disrespectful, unless he's trolling.
The only problem with Joel Turner is his entire personality. I wish he wasn't so insufferable, because he has some good information.
so archery and baseball are the same now? this guy is trying to sell a mental unicorn package ! Go shoot your dam bow and make mistakes and learn like the rest of us did without open loop closed loop BS ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
After seeing countless archers of all styles hold low, snap shoot, punch, flinch, not get to anchor etc etc wouldn't they have all figured it out by now? They've shot for years some decades. Is Joel's method perfect or the most effective? I don't know I haven't bought it but it's not just a simple go shoot your bow or no one would have any prolonged TP.
I agree!