Marlee Matlin on Cochlear Implants and Deaf Culture
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2019
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The translator, or orator (I don't know the nomenclature), is amazing. Able to read and instantly speak with the perfect inflection. I could have been convinced he was just speaking his own words. I admire that skill in actors and they have practice, but this is basically sight reading perfect intonation. Very impressive.
Her interpreter since she is 19.
He is with her all the time, and he is marvelous
It's "interpreter" but yes he is awesome; they have been together for a long time and seem to have a great relationship.
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Thank you both for the correction. It was a seemingly subtle difference given they both translate, but I now know the words are very well delineated. Cool.
@@theherkI know your comment is a year old, but maybe worth adding for those seeing the video later: translating is with static information such as videos and books, and interpreting is for real-time communication, such as conversations and presentations. Now if a presenter provided the text to the interpreter beforehand, the interpreter translated it and made notes or glossed it, you could argue that its translation rather than interpretation. But probably the presenter would be off script sometimes, and that is interpretation.
Well, yes. Not all of us can afford a professional translator everywhere we go. Getting implants isn't self shaming. Its just hearing. If you want to try to hear, go for it. If you are fine the way you are, perfect.
My Roomate was Deaf and even after 2 semesters of ASL, I learned more from her about the Deaf culture and how they view the hearing, and even when some get the implants, or even the hard of hearing. It’s such a trip. Many Deaf people have not been treated very good by the hearing, so I get it.
OMG! I love this woman she's such an inspiration to our Deaf and Hard of Hearing community. Watching from London UK.
Tudor Miller She can speak and she had cochlear implants years ago. She is being disingenuous. The problem with deaf education is that they never read above a third grade level and their math is never above the 5th grade level. When the graduate from Gaulladet University, they have to move back in with their parents bc they can’t get a job. Being deaf is an educational disaster.
@@shadrach6299 Wow.......so much misinformation in your comment. I'm 98% deaf. I learned how to read and write in French, WITHOUT hearing aids or cochlear implants. I took advanced English in high school. I'm now almost 50 years old, been driving for 30 years, am married and have hearing children. I also build aircrafts for a living and operate machinery and tools, all without hearing. How shocking! Oh, and I'm currently learning how to read and write in Spanish. Please check your audism.
And I want to add, I never went to Gaulladet. Plus, there are many other Deafies who are very successful in their lives.
@@shadrach6299 she hasn't been CI so you're just joker.
Does anyone know if this will ever get proper subtitles/captions and not just the auto-generated ones?
I am Deaf, so the audio is no use to me, but my sign language is BSL so not the same as ASL used by Marlee. Would love to understand what is being said properly.
I just finished adding the subtitles, they're up for review and hopefully they get published soon!
@@laycieg2461 Dude, thank you!
Also the auto generated subtitles are mainly accurate!
@@laycieg2461 where sorry? Thanks. I ‘m also Deaf but BSL
I was today years old when I learned that BSL and ASL are very different! 😮 I figured it was kind of like with American and British english, similar, but different nuances.. But reading your comment I now realise they are very different!
the episode of Seinfeld she was in, "The Lip Reader", is an alltime fave
BINGO
I am studying Auslan (Australian Sign Language) at the moment, including a subject on Deaf Culture. I teach many non-verbal children so am already very familiar with non-verbal communication systems including some Key Word Sign.
I have already learned so much in this course, and have more and more appreciation for the Deaf community and Deaf culture, as I learn more. Love this clip - my current assignment has some questions on the Deaf community's attitudes towards cochlear implants. Prior to this, I was not aware of some of the controversy and some of the negatives of cochlear implants. I have always loved Marlee as an actress - what a fantastic ambassador for her community, and to us all.
I'm not sure that "non-verbal"is the word you want.
I agree with Marlee Maitlin that ASL is our visual sign language. We depend on our eyes to see ASL. way to go Marlee Mailtlin for outspoken.
My cousin was staunchly opposed against cochlear implants, until his mother pleaded with him to get one since she wanted him to hear music and his family's voices. Now he says that he still sees why so many deaf people are opposed to them, but he believes they too would change their minds "if only they truly knew what they were missing."
Well, that's not necessarily accurate. I know a few people who have cochlear implants but either don't use them at all or just use them occasionally, for many different reasons. I'm not trying to say that people actually regret getting implants incredibly often, I honestly really doubt that's true (especially since most adults get them willingly) but the idea that everyone would change their mind about not wanting an implant "if only they knew what they were missing" is a bit one-sided. Many people wouldn't change their mind, some people decide not to use implants after they get them because they realise they're not for them, others love them and use them all the time. Everyone has a different experience.
i’m so intrigued with the deaf world, i really want to learn sign language (would be BSL as im british), but i’ve been introduced to this mainly by Tasha Ghouri from love island, the first ever deaf contestant. although she has a cochlear implant, and got it at the age of 5, she is still very much involved with the deaf community and even did an advert using sign langauge. her raising awareness of this prompted my memory of being extremely interested in “the silent child”, when i was only around 10 or 11. i have always been, and always will be a major supporter of the deaf community and look up to everyone who is involved!!
I have heard about the side about the deaf community which is proud it. I also hear about the toxic side of the community which gets quite upset when parents decide to chose implants for their children, or attack those who manage to get their hearing back, because they dont consider it a disability. I came snooping to learn more from both sides, because u know reddit isnt always the best source to trust
I came here whilst researching more of the toxic side that I have heard of
Yea I was reading a book today with a deaf protagonist and they were upset at their partner for suggesting a implant because deaf is not a disability. That seriously confused me. I'm trying to separate the dictionary definition of disability with deafness and my mind and it's hard. I get deaf culture is important I just don't see what that has to do with the implant? It's not forced right? Other then parents choosing for their children but parents choose everything for their children so the implant isn't unique? Sigh ...
@@sharmai Facts, facts, and more facts!
I'm with you on not knowing the exact definitions everyone is using, but not having the 3rd most important (to humans) of the five basic senses is surely, like, not an IDEAL thing...??
@@TheDylls3rd? I'd say hearing is the SECOND most important sense right after sight.
@@mystique592 Tell that to people born without a sense of TOUCH! That one is REALLY terrifying. You have to check your mouth after you eat anything, just in case you bit off a piece of your tongue and couldn't feel the blood running down your face
Everyone one shld be proud of their culture and language skills they possessed, whether its spoken or sign, but no one shld deny another persons right to learn another language or culture!
Edited Something is not right here, what was the question, why only a short clip of the conversation? I think its unfair to give a fair comment without the full context of the conversation!
Deep Recce spoken language is NOT a language for the deaf community, thank you.
This deaf culture very cherished with a visual and sign language very skillfully artist.. your hearing world very idiots need an education. Know what I want to said all hearing people fucking mentally retarded period
@@skunkbrave777 then why can’t you write proper sentences without sounding like a caveman?
@@skunkbrave777 Robbing someone of one of their senses is barbaric. It's mindblowing to me that you're shaming deaf people for taking actions that will allow them to hear. How can you be so bitter and selfish?
@@itspriscillabieber hey that my deaf's English. And your hearimg must must must prefect English. So I suggest you learn sign language that my request. If u don't then fuck respect on deaf world. Fuck you heari g world
Her signing seems to be crisp & clear.
She was featured in Quantico Season 3. Really loved her scenes.
But where i have trouble with this is when some deaf people, take note of the word some you oh so righteous warriors of the net, who think that if a deaf person gets an implant that they have somehow 'betrayed' themselves or even worse the deaf community. If it must be your choice to not get an implant then you must also totally honor the choices of those who get the implant. Do not preach to them about how they should have been proud to be deaf. I have seen these conversations happen. They do exist.If you do not wish to hear that is your choice, if someone wishes to hear, honor that choice and leave it alone. Do not tell them how wrong they are or how you think they have turned away from the deaf community.
I was born profoundly deaf in 1991, the technology back then was very basic so I didn't say my first word until I was 7. I spent my childhood as part of deaf culture as well as mainstream culture.
That changed on the first day of high school, my fellow deaf students bullied every day, to the point of distancing myself from deaf culture.
I spend the rest of my high school years with mainstream students, I learnt how to talk convincly without a deaf accent. But still I struggled through my 20's, I couldn't hold a job cos employers saw my hearing problems as lack of intelligence.
By the time I was 30 I had a cochlear implant and it changed my life. In the year after my cochlear implant I gained a counterbalance licence, telehandler licence and a hgv licence..
I don’t understand why people would think you weren’t intelligent. All they would need is your test scores and give you a chance to prove yourself. Kids bully for all sorts of reasons. I was first bullied in first grade first day of school for wearing glasses.
@@naturemommyandchildrenanda3836 Cos I don't have my test scores on me all the time. All people need to hear is me saying "what?" Or "Say that again" to make them roll their eyes at me. These same ppl wouldn't ever look down on a blind man when they can't see their pics and all.
There's something about asking ppl to repeat themselves that has an effect on their brains, I say this cos EVERYONE does it, no matter how considerate they are. It's like every time I say "What?" a chunk off their respect for me gets chipped off
@@jamesmcdaid1260 Well, not everyone is that way. But we are in times where people are more and more ugly.
@@naturemommyandchildrenanda3836 I think the ugliness has always existed. Only today's generation can spread the ugliness all over the world through the internet
@@naturemommyandchildrenanda3836 I think the fact that I often ask people to repeat themselves has an effect on their brain. Literally EVERYONE treats me as if I'm stupid, no matter how good natured they are.
I recently had surgery to get an implant. I lost my hearing in my right ear. I'm deaf in my left ear.
I was recently activated in the last few weeks and I'm happy that I did it. I'm able to understand speech and I'm able to lead a normal life again.
Yes it is true that these aren't an official cure for deafness but damn it it's pretty damn close.
I still hear some robotic tones with speech but that is slowly going away.
I don't consider myself deaf. I consider myself as being whole again and being able to do things as I did before I lost my hearing in my right ear.
If someone chooses to be deaf or remain deaf that's fine.
I would also think that for people who were born deaf, their brain has developed differently than people who were born hearing I would think that the brain's ability to process sound and make sense of it for a person who has never heard sound would be different than for a -person who started out hearing and then lost that ability. The ability would probably be correlated with the age of the person..... She is right . There are many different factors to evaluate. You can't just assume that hearing sound would always be the best option especially for older deaf people. And we can't just assume that the brain would process sound the same way that it does in hearing people....
No one would be assuming anything. This will all be researched and well understood before it was implemented in people. If Mary doesn't want the treatment then she doesn't have to get it. How is this even debate? Are people really questioning if we should cure deafness.
@@acetate909 I wasn't debating. I was just 'thinking out loud''on a topic that I have never actually thought about before. M comments were thoughts and realizations that I was having for time. My comments reflects only on me. I am sorry if it sounded like I was talking about what anyone else might think.
Actually, from what I have learned, this is completely true. Beyond a certain age, chochlear implants start to drop in usefulness as the brain structure adapts to life without hearing. Though the person will be able to hear noise, things like language comprehension are no longer possible. The brain's language center has adapted to life without hearing, so it has no framework for interpreting sound into language. Thus, the person will hear sound but not be able to understand spoken language.
Omg finally I understand what a cochlear implant is and how its not like regular hearing. I heard that once and couldn't understand what that would even mean.. It's still
Difficult to wrap my head around but its somewhat there now
@@gabrielblack5805 Language comphrension is not limited to audio-based language. Deaf children stand a much better chance at language acquisition through sign language than they do through spoken language. Unfortunately, audism has proven to be too big of a barrier to this pathway for Deaf children.
The translator is so smooth
Bravo Marlee Matlin
Well said ms. Matlin. I am deaf.
I so like Marliee Maitlin. Whether it is a movie or discussion. She doesn't use put downs for anyone. She just presents a positive attitude about the improvement of society. What she says can be be transfered to an attitude of improving the surcumstances and contibution of everyone, whatever our weakness. (we all have them. whoever we are). *I wish I knew her language*
Getting closer every year.
Love the world being inclusive for all people. My 1st girlfriend was deaf and signing is still apart of my life. Treat everyone as they're perfectly normal. Don't be afraid to use your cellphone to talk with Deaf humans.
She is inspiring lady
i love her insight!! i love her in general! saw her first in deaf west’s spring awakening and loved her ever sense!
I've recently tried canal hearing devices and they sound like an intercom, and while the person's voice was clear, their voice seemed to come from a completely different direction, and it's difficult for me to calibrate. I'm learning sign for under six months and it's an amazing journey, and quietness adds immensely to the experience~
Hey! I am a student pursuing my bachelors in audiology. Do you have a bilateral loss? if so, do you use hearing aids for both the ears? Localising sounds becomes difficult when you use hearing aids only in one ear!
My mom is right side deaf, she says it rotates-moves the perceived location a little. For me, both sides match nearly exactly, intertwining on the graph. My ears face a little forward and it's especially difficult to pinpoint things behind me any time. If I found something I could wear comfortably, then maybe I'll try it again. Now I'm learning sign for a year and a half, acing the intensive beginning class, still, it helps me tremendously fill in the gaps of online learning.
Beautiful video! This was shown in my Neurobiology Fundamentals class at UC Davis.
Avni Suri and how did everyone respond and what did your professor say about this?
Marlee, go, girl. I agree
If a child is born deaf with hearing parents, they need to decide for their child to have a cochlear implant because the earlier they have it, the better chance that they can develop speech. When Marlee was little, implant wasn’t an option, so that’s that.
Second comment. Absolute cudos to the interpretor. Incredible.!!!
Because They don’t know they are not deaf ! I’m not fully deaf I’m moderate to severe hearing loss! So I basically hear with hearing aids 😎
I love this video❣️ I’ve been watching this women since I was a teen ,and I never knew I would be faced with this lifestyle ❣️ hard of hearing and being deaf is a lifestyle as well 🦋🦋🦋
Just don't insult deaf people and don't put stone in front of blind people.
This in credible! How can a person "sign" such complex words and phrases. INGENIOUS!
I am losing my hearing and ive got to say this, im a passionate martial artist. I competed in Muay Thai and win or lose, it gave me the strength and discipline to overcome things in and out of the ring. Especially out of the ring, including my brain timor i was later diagnosed with.
If i lost my hearing before i trained Muay Thai and became a fighter and got thr cochlear implant, i wouls have never become a fighter and never had the wonderfule experiences kd being a fighter.
In the end, id have rather done that thibg deaf than never have done it at all. The fact of the matter is that it isnt just a prosthesis, but a way of life not even those with hearing can understand.
I cannot believe this woman is 54 years old she is still incredibly beautiful.
Simp
Sure she is beautiful so are many other women her age.
Age is not a determinant of beauty - an 80-year-old woman can be as beautiful as a 20-year-old woman, and a 20-year-old woman can be as beautiful as a 2-year-old woman. There’s more than one kind of beauty ❤️
It's interesting that she is making an argument that we hearing people don't know what's best for the deaf because we don't know what it's like to be deaf - But the same could be said for the opposite. Who are the deaf to decide that NOT hearing is better, especially if they've never experienced hearing?
I think you're missing a lot of information about how cochlear implants work and the intricacies of the deaf community. It is very serious invasive brain surgery that does not fully restore hearing. The technology, though it is better now, still isn't great and doesn't produce organic natural sound. Even with cochlear implants, the majority of people are still largely hearing impaired, and there isn't any way to improve upon that hearing as the nerves are severed in the brain. Cochlear implants do not equal hearing. Cochlear implants equal strange robot noises and require many years (if not a lifetime) of therapies to acclimate and understand hearing. So yes, hearing people shouldn't not be making that very expensive and dangerous choice. It is a huge gamble, and with implants many people are not taught sign language or introduced to the deaf community. It's very common for people that get implants to decide to just be deaf instead. Please do more research on this subject, it is very complex and cannot be summed up with "well they don't know either". That is an infuriatingly ignorant statement.
@@JentasticJohnson amen!
The Deaf community is not trying to tell the hearing community that everybody should be deaf because it is better. There is just a strong sense of pride in the culture, and that is okay. I know that I think it is better to be me than to be someone else. Just because I don't want to be like someone else doesn't mean I don't have a strong love and respect for other humans beings. It is best for me to be me, but I am no better than anyone else. I think that is what is missed a lot of the time: celebrating the beauty of culture and differences, and loving one another for being human beings. Respecting others' decisions is a huge part of that.
I am hearing, my mom introduced me into asl and it is so horrible how people think that cochlear implants is a priority and to decide if our kids have to go through this. Why can’t hearing parents take that effort to communicate with their children instead of suffering through a surgery? “Because it’s for their own good” I keep hearing. I may have a bad analogy to this but it’s like we have to wait until we make our own choices. Either good or bad that what we have to deal with as adults. Sign Language is a beautiful language. Yes, cochlear implants can help but not everyone wants it. Everyone is unique and have their own strength what they choose.
Because cochlear works best for the brain to learn sound when very small. The younger the easier for the brain to learn.
I wish there more videos not cut short conversation .
Marlee slays. She communicates so eloquently. Btw, who was the woman on the panel who spoke at 2:05 ? I found her quite jarring and not at all empathetic.
First, Marlee signs like she’s a starling in one of those murmurs you see in the sky so fast and fluent wowo. The interpreter is incredible to keep pace with beautiful intonation. Amazing connection there. I have seen and heard them in person. Her parents did this right!! Rare to see this. My folks were in denial most of my life until I was about 50. No lie. It was bad though it could have been worse. They did some things right in the beginning by holding me all the time and I learned to talk because of that. Which is good since they did not know anything until I was five years old when doctors fitted me with hearing aids. Yeah… still very very deaf.
I still don’t sign and I want to learn. But it will cost me money.
I agree that this is a decision for every individual to make if they are an adult, however, I do somewhat have a problem with those who are deaf and have children that are deaf believing that a cochlear implant shouldn’t be an option for their child. Deaf people sometimes view cochlear implants as a sort of “cancellation” of their culture. They are highly offended at the idea of making a deaf child (or a deaf adult who chooses a cochlear implant) hear. They don’t view deafness as a disability. The documentary “Sound and Fury” was amazing and eye opening when it came to this topic.
I believe that sign language should be taught much more widely than it is. I think that it should always be an option for those in the deaf community and that children born deaf should learn to sign regardless of whether they get a cochlear implant. I also believe that parents should want their children to have a better quality of life and more options than they had, and if they can give their child the ability to hear, they shouldn’t keep them deaf because of misplaced pride.
at only 21 years old you most likely will not beat out the type of powerhouse actresses that marlee had done"
marlee is top two most "alluring" actresses in any era...
Why in the world wouldn’t someone want to hear their loved ones if they could? I received my implant in my 60’s & it was one of the happiest days of my life! So,with her views on signing WHAT HAPPENS when she loses her vision,as I am doing due to macular degeneration? You can’t sign then!
I'm glad you were able to receive yours and I agree with you, but I see her as having made her fame from her condition, so she wouldn't want to change that.
Because some deaf people don't have the desire to get one? Just because it worked for you, doesn't mean every deaf person will like one
did you not listen to what she said😭😭😭 I'm glad it worked for you, but it clearly doesn't work for everyone. like she stated.
She had a choice for sign language and speak too. because she likes to speak to hearing person. I can speak English in second language but, but not professional speak. I had my American sign language in first language because I used my visual to understand pictures to explained and I can read too. I have level reading of 19 right now. I graduated from high school level reading of 15. BUT we already development ASL already for since childhood for long time. It is matter to us can hear or not. We have a right chosen by ourselves to be comfortable and satisfied. I am so lucky because I had my right chosen so, no one take me down for my identify. I know that they tried taken control powerful to us but some of us we did overcome them and right to speak up. Doctor should not be creativity to disabilities individual as assume on their option. I think this is very damaged on the brain surgery to lose taste, paralysis, damaged nervous, and more etc. It can be cause from CI. I did lecture about deaf community supports and against CI and also, explained to CI what looks like inside for CI in my Comp 1.
Wow so it has bad side effects? I wonder if there has been a study done to show what percentage of people w/ ci have had which negative effects. P.s. keep working on your writing.
@@naturemommyandchildrenanda3836 Your last sentence, don't be rude.
Sign Language is not international.... so... where are then the subtitles?
@@pcamnesty7518 this is autogenerated subtitled. It's not very accurate
I agreed with her on some point however the last line I have a disagreement you don't need to be deaf to understand deaf issues. She gets a translator to communicate with the host not everyone knows ASL this is the reality we are dealing with so I see cochlear implant and ASL as another language same as we learn English and Spanish. I whould say why not both.
I'm not deaf, but I'm a bit confused. Why wouldn't you be able to learn ASL and be part of the same community and get a cochlear implant?
I mean I totally agree that we shouldn't force anyone, but I'm just a bit confused as to why you would lose your culture.
Bc 90% of deaf kids are born to hearing parents with no knowledge or ASL... and since Hospitals push the implant as a cure all there isn't a reason for it. Most audiologist will actively dissuade the use of ASL based on outdated research that it stunts CI adaptation.
9/10 if hearing parents give a child cochlear implants its because they have zero interest whatsoever of their child being deaf. They most likely have never even met a deaf person and have no interest in wanting their child to be associated with deafness or be apart of the deaf community. they will only communicate through talking and make the child talk as well. The child will know nothing else
Divide and conquer. Same thing between white and black. There’s always that ugly divide and conquer.
From what I heard ( the irony I know) deaf folks often gather together and that what they enjoy is something slightly different on the whole than being a hearing person. And that some folks in that community are bothered by the eradication of deaf folks as the implant spreads. ( I read lots of stuff that suggests they are also somewhat detached from their hearing families but hope that’s not as prevalent as in the past. But the implants work better if they go in as babies and the neurone pathways grow with it and so the decision is made by parents
It’s Emmett’s gorgeous mom ❤
Well said Marleen!!!! Hearing people should have knowledge by now, why have to be repeating over and over again to education them. Lordy have mercy.
Cant you sign and hear?
I didn't see her mention the fact that she uses hearing aids to communicate with the hearing world, her co-workers and her hearing husband and children. She needs to be more transparent as to what kind of assistive devices she uses and not condemn the choices of other people. She is also post-lingually deaf and had access to spoken language before becoming ill and then partially deaf. Her story and experience is different from many of us deaf people who were born deaf.
Janet Johanson so? She sign ASL, nonetheless.
She never condemned anyones choice for the implant.
@@kathleenbrockway1954 Janet clearly didn't pay attention to the video, Marlee never condemned anyones decision to get the implant.
@@yulandatross3110
I think there is an important point here.
CI are most targeted at babies born deaf.
She was under two years old. I wouldn't consider it post lingual.
Can't you still sign with cochlear implants? Not being able to hear Is dangerous.
As a CI user no, it is not dangerous.. Next time let's do better and not speak for other's experience.
I’m glad we got to see Marlee’s opinion on how she feels about cochlear implants!
Wow!!!! Way to go =D
She is beautiful 😍🤩
She's pushing the stigma of getting help
How so? She said that she's not againts others getting cochlear implants, but that she wouldn't herself. I don't see how this is stigmatizing.
I always come back to this. I love Marlee's message and her interpreter does a fantastic job to emphasize her emotions and ideas. All around fantastic video.
What's the general opinion of deaf individuals who've had cochlear implants since a young age?
declup Now that’s an opinion, that no one looks into.
People who are implanted very young; the majority are very successful and excel well in the hearing world. As one of those people I realize all the opportunities CIs can provide me that I would never have if I signed. I have never been part of the deaf culture, but I don’t need to be. While I don’t need sign language, I am making the effort now to learn it.
It's mixed. Of the three people I know who got them as young children, one feels ambivalent and the other two wish they hadn't gotten them. I know there are plenty out there who like them and are okay with the downsides/trade-offs, though.
@@jfm14 Did they get them under the age of one? And were they mainstreamed in school. Speech and and spoken language is crucial to the success of CIs. Lack of Early intervention and strong support system weakens the effectiblity of CIs.
@@theleighton Lack of early intervention and strong support system by other Deaf peers contributes to the isolation of those who grow up with CIs. Why would one need to undergo hundreds of hours of speech therapy at the expense of missing class hours, spend thousands of dollars on assistive technology, be limited in physical activities (football, scuba diving, high altitude skydiving), rather than be provided the rightful accommodations that society can offer?
K D K D I myself went through this, and yes I played football at my high school. I was an avid athlete. Never needed therapy past age 8. Graduated high school a year early and currently in college. I have never been isolated or missed class hours. I don’t need asl or the deaf community thrive, I’m doing very well without it and I have had opportunities I would never ever receive had I not had early identification and strong support by my parents.
Somewhere I saw a film on a town where deaf people lived together. When two parents wanted to get an implant for their baby, the grandmother objected. He complaint was that in the future she would have no one to sign to. Also, not every deaf person is as wealthy as this actress and has all the support she can have.
Who exactly is discouraging kids or anyone to not learn sign language? In 57 years, I've never encountered anyone who thinks that.
John Chappell it might shock you, but parents that have had their child implanted. Deaf friend of mine invited a family with an implanted daughter to Deaf Festival, and they feared she would abandon the CI and use ASL only. He’s asked every year, and every year it’s the same answer. Nope.
She means they're being discouraged from learning sign language _instead_ of getting implants/hearing aids. And that's extremely common, since most hearing people view deafness as a problem to be corrected rather than a natural characteristic to be adapted to.
It is rare to see audiologists favor american sign language or alternative options than to CIs. You'd be surprised at the statistic of audiologists who don't know sign language (the natural language of deaf people) compared to those who do.
Doctors would, people who done Cochlear Implant: surgeons, the people who are the one who suggested it would discourage the parents not to let the kids to use ASL and not allow them to be Deaf because “This is the hearing world”.
Rob Brady I have a CI, and I don’t want to learn ASL at all. Yes I am deaf but I’m not a part of their community and I’m not going to be held down by the low standards they set for Deaf people. The Deaf community is more insulting to people w/ CI’s than the hearing community is to us.
Deaf. Culture means. How we. Live. In what. Light. Language common tendency around the world Same beliefs and values. In our world visual lanuguage. Identity in Linguistically cultural minority.
I think ASL is beautiful. There is a school near where I live. Deaf students fill the coffee shop in the evenings. Its full 9f people, but very quiet. Everyone having animated conversations in sign language. Its a very honest language. No words to hide behind!
Unfortunately people glorify disabilities and say that they should be disabled
Still fine till this day
Remain deaf see if I care
Technology is only getting better. Refusing hearing correction will one day be like a deaf person refusing cybernetic hands after they lost them in some accident. The deaf community's continued campaign against technology is a losing battle that they will regret when community members shrink to nothing.
I would rather have the cochlear implants then help others that want to hear music and their environment while teaching those that are still deaf my super cool way of doing sign language while deciding if they want to hear or not. I'm just saying.
who cares what you’d rather have ?
If it was a choice of my child hearing and speaking or not... I would choose hearing and speaking.
I understand that they work better if they go in at infancy
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Iam deaf, but I have 2 cochlear Implants 🥺
Alina 14 Thats okay! I studied ASL in high school, so I know that a majority of the Deaf Community are not very accepting of cochlear implants, but I believe you have the right to choose what you want to do. Never let anyone say you made the wrong choice, or that you won’t fit into their world. You will.
@@hannahrozenberg3411 Hey babe
Hey babe
@@hannahrozenberg3411 Studying ASL is not the same as being Deaf. I'm Deaf and know many other Deafies who do accept those with cochlear implants. Don't speak for the Deaf community if you're not Deaf. We are a diverse group of people, some of whom wear hearing aids (like my husband does) and some of whom wear cochlear implants (like a few of my co-workers.) Then there are those of us who wear neither, like me. Nothing wrong with any of that.
I wish could see her define Deaf culture more.
I am saying that no deaf person(s) can speak for us
@00:30 Funny coming from a person who needs to have someone translating for you so you can effectively communicate with a large audience. How many deaf people can afford that? The real question is how do you best integrate a fractional minority of people into a larger society, when they cannot effectively communicate with most people? The most obvious way is to help them in the area where they are most deficient, which is giving them hearing, which hopefully develops into language and higher literacy. Sadly, this means that many older deaf people will not benefit. And this is the reaction to that- claims of erasure.
This is just a modernized form of eugenics you’re trying to push. Deaf people have no obligation to do what’s “easier” for society as a whole. NO ONE has an obligation to fit into the perfect mold of society. If you think that way, would you rather we live in a dystopian world where uniqueness is strictly forbidden and everyone must bend to the will of society/government? It’s ENTIRELY up to the individual when it comes to matters like deafness, period. They don’t have to do anything for the easiness of others. They do what makes them happy and comfortable, end of story.
@@elliefuller3667 nobody cares what deaf people do or don't do. In my years working retail, I can tell you deaf people were a challenge, but frankly it was more their inconvenience than mine. If they want to live their lives writing notes to communicate (if they can even read and write) then go ahead. But for most that means living a marginalized life, with little opportunity for a career or self-sufficiency. That's not "uniqueness". That's burdensome. And yes, society only works insofar that the individuals within it agree to share common values. The fewer the commonalities, the less cohesion. Thus why deaf people are alienated. And I doubt that they are happier for it.
It's unrealistic to expect the whole society to learn sign language for such fractional minority. Having a shitty attitude about it, and hanging on to bad culture just for sake of "uniqueness" doesn't help deaf people. Besides, there are other ways to stamp your individuality on life that don't include "identity".
@@ExceptionalPleb The fact that you said “if they can even read or write” says SO MUCH about what kind of person you are. I hope you’re ready for hell, because with how you VERY clearly view a disabled community, you will certainly be going there. I can tell Satan will loooove your company.
Check your audism.
I'm 98% deaf and do not use hearing aids or cochlear implants. It's rather insulting that you view people like me as having low literacy skills. I took advanced English and beginners French in high school. I'm currently learning how to read and write in Spanish. Hearing is not required to pick up on these skills. And the use of interpreters in no way lessens a Deaf person's ability to communicate. If anything, interpreters are there for the hearing people, as they are the ones that are deficient in how to communicate with Deaf people. People with viewpoints like yours are why Deaf people face barriers in this world. Please educate yourself on the true abilities of Deaf individuals. I work, I volunteer, I raise a family, I drive, I paint, and so much more. I highly suggest that you check out the channel, Seek The World.
@@lisabudinich4371 good for you. But your anecdote doesn't change the facts. You aren't doing deaf people any favors by advocating for their deficiency. The best way to help deaf people (especially when they are young) is to get them hearing (🙄 DUH!).
If it's possible to make people of color white. Should be it allowed? Is it moral? I mean it would make their life better right? That's the argument for implants.
If my baby is born deaf and an implant will help .. yes that baby will get one
Human: Hey I am deaf
Doctor: Hey so this will make you not deaf most likely if it doesnt we tried
Human: why are you suggesting I want to hear?
Doctor: ..............
Doctor: Table flip.
Leandro Garcia that’s gold! That’s pure perfect way to say it. That’s how I feel for everything what hearing people think they “know” what’s best for Deaf babies.
I do find it a little heartbreaking when hearing parents will take that choice away from their deaf babies. Removing them from a culture just because they don’t want to work to be a part of that culture, it’s a really good way to ostracize your deaf child from the hearing and the deaf
Why should a parent decide to keep his child handicapped when we have a way to "fix" it? Should you go the other way around and destroy an healthy kid ears so that he can be deaf and be part of deaf culture?
Also being hearing doesn't mean you cannot learn sign language and interact with deaf people and deaf culture. All other thing being equal, there are no positive to being deaf, it's only a limitation on your capabilities (I'm not saying that this cannot be compensated or that deaf people are less worth than hearing ones). As an earing person I can plug my hear and decide to be deaf if I want for as long as I want, deaf people don't have that choice.
@@t3st1221 As mentioned in the video there is a specific culture attached to being deaf. Hearing people are almost never truly part of it. (The only exception I know of are CODAs - children of Deaf adults).
Many Deaf people do not consider themselves 'handicapped' or in need of 'being fixed' and would be offended by your use of those words. Why? Because amoung people who sign their langauge Deaf people have no more trouble communicating than you do in English. It's where the Deaf and hearing worlds rub up against each other that there are problems, but probably no greater ones than you would have if you where dumped somewhere with a different language and no English speakers.
@@Ruthavecflute The fact that many deaf people don't consider themselves handicapped doesn't change the fact that they are by definition. This ofc doesn't mean they cannot have a fulfilling happy and productive life like anybody else as you can go around this handicap as you mentioned.
But while I understand that a deaf person may want his child to experience life as he did, it is still cruel to deny him a cure for his disability. It's like if someone forbade his child from learning any foreign language to force him to learn his culture and not another. If the kid want to experience deaf culture, he can still do it as an hearing person.
And for the morality aspect: would it be OK to destroy the perfectly fine ears of an healthy kid to make him deaf? No, of course not. So why would it be OK to do the same by inaction in denying a fix for a curable disability.
Finally no it's not better to let the kid be deaf and chose later if he want the implant or not, because the brain will have already lost some capacity to adapt to the implant. On the other hand a kid with an implant could always chose to turn off or remove the implant if he decided that being deaf is what he wants.
I do not mean to insult deaf people but refusing your child to be helped by modern medicine is just wrong. Now for adults it's your body your choice, I'm only talking about newborn that could be greatly helped by implants
@@Ruthavecflute CODA here. That's extremely accurate, however, our spouses and children are also included into the Deaf community. This can lead to its' own set of problems. A close friend of mine that I've been trying to be with recently told me that ASL isn't even a real language (which is extremely offensive to the deaf). If we were to get together, and my deaf relatives and friends were to find out she thought like that, it'd definitely cause some issues, since her conduct towards the community reflects on me.
@@Ruthavecflute I didn't even know this was an issue until recently. I never imagined that there could be deaf people who are barbaric enough to shame and guilt parents who aren't willing to rob their child of their sense of hearing.
I'm a musician. Why are you advocating that that child never become a part of *my* community? Why are you making that choice for them? The musical community also has its own language and culture that that child will never be able to participate in. Hearing people can choose to make music a part of their life. They can choose not to. Many don't. But it's a decision they make on the basis of their own feelings, and their own reaction to music. Why do you think so many people love music? Why do you think so many people want to be musicians when they're young? Because music is incredible. It's the greatest form of art humans have ever produced, and we shouldn't be permanently robbing children of this experience just so we can force them to learn sign language and participate in deaf culture.
I hope you'll excuse me if this is an offensive suggestion, but this really seems like sour grapes. Like, these deaf people who are ineligible for medical procedures *want* children to remain deaf, as if that proves that deafness isn't a disadvantage (or makes them avoid feeling left out by watching a luckier person [in this case an actual child] gain their sense of hearing).
She literally shoots her own argument in the foot by the fact that she needs someone to interpret for her. a high billed actress might be able to afford an interpreter that follows them around constantly, but the average joe has the option of a few thousand dollars for an implant or what??? Hoping that the entire population decides to learn sign language. Considering the most people in the world aren't willing to learn either english, spanish or french ie the most common languages that you might encounter, i find that highly unlikely.
She doesnt need an interpreter to sign for her, hearing people need an interpreter to understand her. ;)
@@lauraalexander3617 exactly. Most people can't understand her language.
It's the equivalent of my parents raising me to only speak Dutch and we happen to live in the USA where almost no one speaks Dutch fluently. Is it really fair that you and everyone around you need to learn a new language just to speak to me.
Its not.
If, like in her case, she can't get her hearing back then yes we should try to be more accommodating. But if a simple procedure can restore her hearing and she insists on making the life of everyone else around her more difficult then that's on her.
@@zaffarismail1508 realistically your interpreter would be a hearing person you know for free. implants are more expensive.
@@stripedninja realistically no one is going to follow you around being your full time interpreter for free. While the national health service might pay for you implants
@@zaffarismail1508 yeah maybe, but you should still respect people's choice as to whether they want to get them or not. deaf culture is a thing and many deaf people are very opposed. it's a divisive issue though.
I don't see why a parent would choose to not get their kid an implant. I think that they should still learn sign bc batteries die and shit happens but... like if my kid was born without legs and they made luke Skywalker legs that were as good or comparable to bio legs would I say no no. Wheel chairs are so much better for the legless community..?
Forcing CI implants on babies that cannot make an informed decisions for themselves is wrong and treating a child as a piece of property instead as a individual is also wrong.
A child should be allowed to grow into adulthood and decide if he or she wants to have the CI implant(s) or not after receiving a full understanding what's involved in the procedure and the risks involved (such as meningitis) even while under heavy medication, the risk is still there.
A 40 year old deaf janitor received a CI and underwent heavy medication in hopes to avoid getting meningitis post surgery and still contracted the disease whereas he died 3 days later. In fact, any type of surgical procedure all involve risks, but the risks should be left to a fully adult individual to decide whether or not they want the surgical procedure, especially when the procedure involves invasive inside the human body.
When a child is born deaf, they should be allowed to be left "as is" because they were born that way and is healthy as any other child. The only thing is missing is their hearing and it is not life threatening. They should not be treated as "broken" or "defective" or treated as "sub-human" because he or she cannot hear.
There is educational options such as access to sign language and they do have the same access to read and writing as hearing people do. Oral lip reading is also another option as well.
It's not the end of the world for them. But to force a CI implant on a child born deaf is wrong. They should be allowed to grow into adulthood and allow them to make a decision for themselves if they want the procedure, as long as they are fully informed of what entails in the procedure and the risks involved.
Children, whether hearing or deaf, are not "property", they are all human beings with some amount of rights involved in their lives. Unless a threat to their lives warrants an emergency procedure to save a life. Being deaf is not life threatening and anyone that says so otherwise is being an idiot.
Spoken by someone who seems to not have children themselves. Or if you do, has a decidedly and horrifyingly Anti-Vaxxer stylized perspective to the world at large. A parent has the right to administer to any condition a child suffers from, life threatening or otherwise. And in the case of life-threatening conditions a legal obligation to the treatment options available. Not possessing all five senses can in fact lead to unintentional self-harm. Children are not property, but it is the parents who get to decide what is best for their children. If you have issues with this, I fully well expect you to take umbrage with parents who circumcise their children, or pierce their daughters ears, as passionately as you argue against a parents rights to administer to their deaf children (or a child with ANY disability) to the best of their abilities. The two examples above, at the very least deserve the argument that it should be up to the child's personal choice. My personal opinion? If you see your child has a disability that can be rectified and you allow them to remain 'untouched' because of some rapturous love of a culture they know nothing about, I would call into question your worthiness to think about the long-term wellbeing of another human being who requires you to think about them first for their continued survival. Adults can speak for themselves. Parents speak for their children. Get used to this fact.
Wrong
@@raxamonbathory8633 Being deaf is not life threatening. But apparently, in your own so called, "logic", you believe it to be so.
@@TheYizuman it hinders the child to be deaf. Helping a kid hear better is not harming the kid but helping
@@babecat2000 Oh you're soooooo ignorant. Being deaf does not hinder us at all. We can SEE!!!! and we can still communicate!!!! You're BLIND to see that, it also has HINDERED you from from understanding that.
You don’t need to be deaf to learn sign language
You cannot deny the extraordinary EFFICIENCY and mindblowing SPEED of sign language. For someone who had no hearing from birth, a cochlear implant might well be a retrograde step for their communication.
Giving them an extra tool will NOT hinder their progress or ability. Stop glorifying disability. Talking is faster any day of the week.
Sign is just as fast as speaking? Also, its nit glorifying disability. No cochlear implant will ever recreate the full hearing experience. Its adding an extra sense for deaf people to live with after living without it their whole lives. Some people cannot adjust to cochlear inplants and i don't see why everyone else can't just accept that and accommodate them.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with wanting the 5 senses we should have. Smh
Glorifying disabilities. So cringe 😢
She can speak. She also has a cochlear implant.
Unless there is neurological or physical damage all deaf people can speak, some just choose not too. Mostly depends on the level of speech therapy they had and if it was encouraged or forced. She doesn't have a cochlear. I've seen her use hearing aids in the past but those are not at all the same thing.
I consider myself center/left... but that was some extreme lefty drivel.
She has cochlear implants.
"Yes. I wear hearing aids and they are fabulous. I am proud to be working with the Starkey Hearing Foundation to raise money to donate hearing aids to needy people. I told Oprah that if I were offered a cochlear implant today, I would prefer not to have one." - Marlee Matlin
Why is a man interpreting for her?!
Maui Caui what?
M Sullivan Good interpreters are few and far between. I’m in the UK, so it might not be exactly the same in America, but i, and many others, struggle to book an interpreter for events or meetings. Even weeks in advance.
And not every interpreter can interpret for every deaf person. This guy is conveying more than just what she’s saying, but a lot of how she’s saying it.
Deaf people definitely can have favourite interpreters, or even have people close to them who know them well interpret for them. This interpreter is getting her message across so well and so fluently. I don’t think it’s just a random interpreter guy they’ve put with her, but I could be wrong.
Ouch Mouse I actually thought about that after I posted. Feminism vs accessibility! I guess I can’t have it all, all the time! Thank you for your kind, respectful, helpful response.
M Sullivan You’re very welcome! The next video I clicked on (by CBS New York), they’re working together again, so I think she’s picked him, they definitely have some sort of professional relationship with each other
M Sullivan He has interpreted for her for YEARS.
These people are insane.
Well, all comments are opinions.
But I stand by my comment. That whole craziness stems from the standpoint theory. Restoring lost ability (sight, hearing, walking) or giving it to people who never had it due to birth defects is a good thing. But these people treat is as if someone is trying to harm them. This is in no way different from people who say that longevity research is evil, because dying is "part of our culture".
And some even take it further. Google "transabled", if you like rabbit holes.
@ read my comment...my mother's brother and sister are deaf and I grew up around deaf people...your "opinion" is correct...and fuck that guy.
@@moonboots1003 shut the fuck up
@@moonboots1003
"Breeding chambers for ideology?"
So the ideology would be; healing tragic human deficiencies is a good thing? Your text appear to be serious but the subtext seem absolutely ridiculous. Your point is that an online comment didn't offer enough empirical evidence for its assertion? Is this your first day on the internet?
Not everyone is a candidate for a cochlear implant. Shock huh?
She was not in a position to express her opinions without having had the experience of having a cochlear implant.
Karen A Hill obviously you didn’t comprehend what she said. She said it’s up to the individual. She is comfortable being Deaf and knowing ASL. Rewatch the video but at a slower speed.
Karen A Hill hah and MY mother who has a CI said she encourages my two daughters to not get one. She regret getting it, period. So it is my mom’s word. She agrees with Marlee.
@@kathleenbrockway1954
I am sure your mom got CI when she was older and I am sure your daughters are as well.
CI work better when done from infancy. Humans, deaf or otherwise, can barely acquire a language after the age of ten.
@@kundakaps ASL is a language
@@hnh45467
So?
If one is not spoken to as a child, they will struggle to learn any spoken language.
Therefore, a CI works well for children & not adults.
My ears are eyes that can see round corners. I pity this woman.
:Dan Pope she is famous, and you are?
@@robbrady3086 Being famous does not make you right or happy.
And I pity you, for your lack of understanding, curiosity, and moral imagination.
@@jfm14 A lack of curiosity or moral imagination is not something thats been ascribed to me before and never would be by ppl that send any time with me.
I'm sure there are things deaf ppl can appreciate that I can't. But that doesn't justify shaming ppl by claiming they are killing a culture.
This woman is nothing new. Her line of thinking has been used many times before.
@@danpope3812 how would you know she’s not?
Why is this woman still around? She won an Oscar that Sigourney was robbed of eons ago and has done nothing since. You peaked in your 20s Marlee. Go away.
and where exactly is sigourney? still oscar less
Way to jump on the victim train, good job.
Get the fucking implant, and stops being a burden
I had cochlear implants but do not wear them anymore. Too much cost of medical bills and replacement of new mapping, batteries, rechargeable, microphone, and filter. It's pain in the @ss. Speech therapy is difficult and made me so exhausted from voice use and brain. I took CI OFF. It made me a headache. I feel like AVT, CI and Agbell are very slavery. I stopped wearing CI and I'm comfortable with ASL for communication as freedom from CI slavery.
Your English isn't too good. Deaf education, huh?