Honestly as a long time fan of ben and this show game informer the final fantasy section had me in stitches because it felt like he was on a verge of a nervous breakdown at any point 😂
Lmaooo, I came in from the audio podcast thinking Janet ironed her hair or had gotten just a new genuine hairstyle. Was not expected a full on sephiroth cosplay wig, hahah
@MargaritoTrevino Well there's only 233 episodes on that playlist, at the time of running the script, Hanson was out for at least 9 because of the baby. So 224 total being about 1.58x an episode seems in the ballpark, but you could be right. We need a supercut.
Hearing that FFVII Rebirth has a scattershot open world with a bunch of weird minigames that don't cohere together thematically and there isn't a whole lot of forward momentum with the main narrative and I'm being like "Damn, they really were very faithful to the middle part of the original FFVII".
Yeah, that's what I was thinking the whole time, and with other reviewers criticisms, it all basically lines up with the stuff that the original was known for. Like, I honestly feel as though even those people who did play and love the original have completely forgotten how it actually plays. The minigames is a huge one. That used to be one of the major talking points about why 7 was so good. People seem to have completely changed their opinion about these aspects being enjoyable or not because they've gotten used to more modern expectations around narrative.
Exactly. In OG after leaving midgar it’s basically just a long Sephiroth chase with silly side stuff to do until you maybe reach temple of the ancients. That’s not a bad thing though. It contributed to the sense of freedom and a vast open world while being lineair in actuality.
The FF discussion was gripping. I was planning on listening while grinding out some missions in Granblue Fantasy, but about 5 minutes in I had to put down my controller and load up the youube video. I couldn't focus on anything other than the FF conversation. The secret sauce for me is the balance between criticism and genuine enjoyment. It wasn't a one sided conversation, which made it more interesting. I didn't feel like the discussion was too ass-kissey or too negative. It made me realize just how much there is to talk about with this game. That's very exciting to me.
my impression was that ben likes it, janet can't say much, cuz she only finished 27% of the game and the other two didn't like it, but didn't wanted to spill the beans, it was way heavier on the criticism side, cuz it was only ben who added the actual positives
@@shro_okee Did we listen to the same podcast? Janet was further along than Ben, and she praised the combat and characters. Kyle and Jacob also had a few positive things to say. The 'criticism/complements' balance isn't nearly as dire as FF diehards are making it out to be.
Ben just to remind you that in 2022, on multiple occasions, you reflected on the absurdity of your fear of these games in light of your experience with Elden Ring. I would encourage you to rekindle that sentiment and not allow fear to dictate whether or not you will engage with Shadow of The Erdtree.
I was also thinking this!! And honestly same thing I felt, with this being my first FS game. I recently jumped back in and was surprised with how much memory I still retained
It’s weird. Giant bomb said they all felt the open world stuff wasn’t required at all. Sean said he did none of it. EXCEPT that there were a few instances of forced mini games.
The devs themselves said numerous times play the game how you want to experience it. Whether that means doing a bunch of side quests and stuff or focusing on main quest and coming back later.... Whatever works for you. I think that's in spirit with the og.
Ben is right about making elden ring your own, something that made me realize I needed to get it asap was like 8 coworkers had just started and they were all talking about different interesting things they found.
Love Kyle but, yeah, that did seem like a bit of a weird complaint, especially coming from someone who loved Ghost of Tsushima which is, respectfully, about as boiler plate open world as you can get.
As much as I appreciate and enjoy this episode-and MinnMax in general-I do wish they'd stop labeling impressions as "Review". It's not indicative of the content and also gets a lot of people worked up in the comments. This is a fantastic outlet that shouldn't feel the need to resort to dishonesty for the sake of SEO.
I think that's a good point. I do think it would be interesting for MinnMax to put together actual reviews, but that doesn't seem like something they're interested in pursuing and I can respect and understand that given how touchy people are about them.
Literally the entire internet agrees it's great but Jacob contrarion geller loves to shit on big aaa expensive games. Only indie games or fromsoft games are allowed to be cool. Remember he shit all over spiderman 2
15:48 "I actually have to play a videogame in order to progress, what a bummer..." what even is that take? like cmon what, like I get it, if one only wants to play the main story, they can and should have the option, but you do have to do the chocobo stuff, because you are going to need those chickens to traverse the world, that was a non-complain at best
Jacob’s comment about how rebirth doesn’t afford a lot of context to people who haven’t played remake is how I felt about remake itself. Felt like there was a ton of fan service in remake and an incomplete story with characters that aren’t well established within the game itself. By the end of remake I was decidedly checked out of the story and had no interest in anything more going forward. This entire remake franchise seems aimed directly at long time fans, and while that is cool, it would have been nice for Square to make these games more accessible/stand-alone for new players.
As a huge OG fan, I still don't know what they were thinking with Remake's ending. It's completely incomprehensible without playing OG, and tbh probably needs CC and AC too. I think there's an assumption OG fans like this new direction for the story because 'it makes the story new even for OG fans', but personally I'd rather have an old great story retold here than a pointless new one created.
The only thing afforded to players of the original when jumping in to remake is being able to recognise when they foreshadow later reveals. That foreshadowing is still mostly in the midgar section of the original game, and you don't learn any of these big revelations until disc two (which rebirth still doesn't get to). I can see the frustration with not having questions answered, but isn't that the nature of a story told over several parts? It's not uncommon for books or movies, and definitely not for tv, so why can't games be allowed to hold back on aspects of their narrative to reveal at a later point?
Great episode guys! Please ignore the comments suggesting it’s somehow wrong to level criticism at a game they haven’t even played yet. The honest, thoughtful discussion is what makes this my favorite gaming channel ❤
@@jupiterofthemonkeyii5569 I don’t particularly like him but he’s chill I don’t know people who dislike CHADLEY give off weirder vibes than him. He’s just a funny awkward dude who gives you materia
9:20 Hanson talking nonsense. Response to _The Two Towers,_ be it by critics, audiences or at the box-office, was completely in line with the other 2 films.
I'm not really concerned (or surprised) about Jacob's negativity towards Rebirth. Can't wait to play next week! Looks fantastic. Based on all the reviews I've seen, it's worth the wait.
Ive been playing og ff7 and the story concerns with rebirth are very apparent. I forgot how little connective tissue there is with this portion of the game. It's literally going town to town for character vignettes without any meaningful story progression until the last couple of areas. Theyre some of the most memorable parts of the game, but yeah, "we're hoping to catch up to sephiroth" isnt a compelling narrative.
Yessss, thank you for saying this! This is honestly why some of the reactions to the criticism confuse me a bit. This isn't really a Rebirth problem, this is an FF7 problem that was there from the start. It's the meandering section of the original story and if Rebirth stays faithful to it, I can totally see it not working for some people.
@PSpiceProof yeah im surprised those familiar with the original aren't clarifying that this IS what this section of the game is supposed to be. I'm 100% on board with the criticism of it though, I can imagine 75% of it feels almost aimless in terms of big picture stuff. Maximillian dood had the best stopping point theory of this game being at the end of the northern crater segment. That would have given a lot more meaningful plot progression and ended set up for the 3rd game starting in the most dire situation possible
It's not really a problem. It's dependent on the person. You basically described Empire Strikes Back in SW. Not much is happening in the grand story. It's just a very character driven plot that delves deeper into its characters. It's not an issue there because we have all three movies. Just like it won't be when we have all three games. For me the character stories are what makes FF7. So getting a game going through each characters stories as they hunt down a person bent on destroying the world is perfect. 😊
@danorganplayer films like empire or two towers are definitely what comes to mind. It's the middle part of a trilogy after all. But I would still argue that a sequence like cosmo canyon or the corel prison don't service the story at all (mostly) in place of character development, where as those films still feel like theyre pushing forward. It definitely varies by person, but unless they're sprinkling in a lot more of the grander plot stuff at this section of the game than the og did, I can see it as a valid complaint to newcomers wanting to see where its all going. I love all this stuff in the og though, so im still very excited. Just sharing my thoughts having recently played the og. Means part 3 will be nothing but absolutely insane shit
@@MRayGames I think it's pushing things forward in the ways it needs to. I think it's pushing it just as much as empire is. Establishing Cloud's past with Sephiroth, establishing Tifa and Cloud's very apparent confusion with each other's stories and the ever growing corrupted cloud by Jenova ....leading to a confrontation at Forgotten Capital where we know what happens. To me that's extremely empire. Hearing Barret and Red's back stories are hugely important because it shows the why in their motivations as to why they'd even bother joining on this adventure. Not to mention everything else that's discussed at Cosmo canyon. To me it's very much fully empire. Nothing huge is happening for much of empire outside of interpersonal development of characters but it's this slow building dread leading to a confrontation where everything turns to shit ....leading to an ominous what is next? That's rebirth. Empire actually received mixed reviews upon release, it didn't become a favorite till it was all done. So rebirth has a leg up :P I can understand people wanted much bigger developments to happen but the middle chapter is all development which to me is actually the most interesting thing in a character driven story. People will grow even more appreciation for rebirth once we get the third entry
I was surprised to hear that Hanson's already at the second stopping point for the Rebirth Deepest Dive a week before the game's release. I can't really blame him, though. I'd probably do the same if I had an early copy of my most anticipated game.
That's fair, but yes I have a tight schedule and want to ensure I'll be ready to go for the second episode. I won't be playing ahead through the entire Deepest Dive though.
Hey, man, you do what you need to do. After hearing how much time the crew has spent on just the first handful of chapters, I'm hoping I can even keep up! @@minnmax
Really liked that Rebirth discussion. Probably helped that I've played both parts of the demo, but just thanks for doing that: exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for!
That Final Fantasy discussion was amazing! Super interested to play it sounds like very high highs but a lot of lows too, I find that interesting ! Thanks MinnMax!
I find it really interesting that the main criticism of Rebirth here is a lack of forward story progression, when I've played 65 hours of Baldur's Gate 3 and I don't know what's happening in the story AT ALL, and 60 hours of The Witcher 3 and I'm still looking for Ciri. I would like to see the same criticisms applied to those games. Which is also interesting when all other reviewers I have watched mentioned the open world stuff being completely optional.
Now now boys, stay on point here. Neither of those things is the criticism here. I could throw it back at you and say FF7's combat is far better than both of those games, but that's not the point.The criticism is "there is a lack of story progression". And I present to you 2 extremely well received games that have the exact same issue, and nobody bats an eye. All open world/huge scale games struggle with this, due to the story content being stretched over 80-100 hours. It's not just a Rebirth problem. I love The Witcher and BG3. But the problem does exist, and people choose to ignore it when it suits them.
+ that is faithful to the original, the very thing many people are afraid that the devs might stray too far away from that path and now even that gets criticized by seemingly the very same people, it's fine, one can criticize it, but og had plotpoints and sidequests that felt non fitting to the overall main story, that is the charm of it, it's supposed to be lighthearted, the calm before the storm, bonding with the group type of situation, but whatever
With the Elden ring worries, my two cents: it was my first FS game, I played through on my PS4 on launch and then a year later I picked up on sale on my steam deck. In 30-ish hours, I did what in my first run took 90. There’s a lot less getting lost, loosing runes, and a lot of the boss attack patterns, even a year later, were still there. Not a thing I’d beat on a first go but definitely in just a small handful of tries. Also based on the trailer dialog “touch the withered arm to travel to the shadow lands” or whatever they said towards the end very much implies you’d do so by touching miquella’s arm in Mohgwin’s palace, meaning - despite his tough boss fight - you could access it as early as Liurnia I believe
The whole conversation about how Ben puts up with builds in FF7 Rebirth had me imagining how it'd be like if he had the same kind of commitment to something like Xenoblade.
Combat is amazing. It’s fun just fighting in the air with Cloud teleporting around shooting sword beams and triple slashing, and never touching the ground. Great action. Then you have the ATB/character management, switching regularly. The pinnacle 50/50 ARPG.
Janet, sh*t comment about it being just a game compared to any other game while also reducing it. Valid opinion. Good for you. But each piece of entertainment can have symbolic power and cultural impact. This one particularly has a nostalgia effect for +10 million people and it was undeniably important for PS as a brand and video games as a whole.
Making a big show of 'fans not being normal' just makes me not want to engage with the content. It just sets up any critical comment, no matter how reasonable, to be followed with 'oh look here come the fanboys, it's not even out yet'. Granted there will always be unreasonable people, but it kills discussion if negative comments are framed that way. Why bother engaging if I'm just going to be spoken down to? I skipped 16 coverage on here for the same reason, despite having my own criticisms of that game.
@@burnout713 it’s even funnier when you realize those people are behaving in the exact same way he claimed FF fans to be, but at the behest of the host.
Janet 🤝 absolutely Sleepcycle. Love the alarm, and even if it’s a little creepy, my partner and I both talk in our sleep, so I have some pretty funny recordings of our incoherent ramblings.
One time I found a conversation where he went “meeeerrrmeerrrr meee meeeee meerrrrmerrrrrr meee meee” and I say “mhmmm” like I’m patronizing a little kid lmao
@@Gameonysusa recent fave was the sound of her rolling over and saying “the theme of the situation is: I’m cold”. She has zero recollection of this. She said it so coherently it woke me up and I was just staring at her to continue before realizing she must still be asleep.
I love Jacobs content and this take of his is just wild to hear, like dude looks between the lines and analyzes everything in video games and then he just says stuff that's so insincere which can even be disproven, cuz it's funny that many ppl actually have complained about the graphics being low res at some points, so he's not even correct on that attempt to undermine the game either for a whole nother reason altogether, which is saying that the game itself is flawed and shouldn't have high ratings, but that was so petty that I think that he is adding way too much personal opinions into this one, that part took me out
I had criticism of FF7 as a whole and made a comment about it on another vid only get get attacked by FF7 zealots. Im glad to see in the Minnmax comment section its actually a lot better (even if it is still not the best).
I don't know what ur opinion is, but I do think that it depends on the type of criticism, if it's smth that has been said a lot and also answered a lot, ppl will always just attack, that's with every fandom
@@shro_okeeI think it has to do with the size of the fan base, the bigger it is the more jerks it also has attached to it. People seem to feel so attached to a product that if I were to say FF7 is a good game, not a great one, the fans take it personally. A lot, not all, of the FF7 fans i have seen remind me of Taylor Swift fans to where they believe the thing they enjoy can do no wrong.
Man, the FFVII section was a great wake up call to me to just distance from video game UA-cam discourse that sinks right into debates and critical detailed discussions and semi-tense conversation instead of just ... having fun with the game, by myself, with a smile on. Holy shit I spent minutes listening to people bothered by sidequests happening.
I really wish the deepest dive had someone on it whos less familiar with ff7 just so theres a wider range of perspectives than just big ff7 fans because i really enjoyed this discussion
Yeah I hope the Deepest Dive doesn't end up being a love-in. It's nice when everyone likes something but I think contrasting opinions make for much better discussions (like in this episode). I don't find it especially engaging to listen to people take it in turns to shower praise on something, so fingers crossed the Deepest Dive grapples with any flaws Rebirth has, rather than glossing over them.
Two things : 1. Reading the reviews for this game and listening to this ...feels like they played a different game lol. 2. Saying the story isn't moving and it doesn't cohere. This is kinda how FF7 was structured. The friends on a globetrotting adventure was the story and its very character driven
Yeah I mean act2 in most stories is a journey/growth arc, but the tricky part is ballooning an act 2 into its own thing. It can easily end up lacking a strong inciting incident, climax and denoument given the fact that just by being an act 2 it inherently doesn’t have that. So it could very well be that the story of this section worksd much better then as part of a larger whole than standalone - and also probably why the smaller story moments with characters are the highlight here
I love that first game, but man I couldn't believe how horrible (and long) that section was. The uncharacteristically horrible music they blast during that section does not help.
i don't have nostalgia for the game but i loved remake so much and everything on other channels has me so hyped for rebirth and i was just shocked at the negativity when clearly it's a good game
Feedback from Jacob and the others seems pretty consistent with what I saw in reviews. Other than the flashback the story seems to be too sparse in the opening dozen hours or so, and in general this isn't a standout open world. But I think if you're in the bag for this like I am (or Ben) that's not going to be a problem at all. The middle part of a single game (not even a trilogy) is tricky too. I do remember with original VII the "what are we actually doing" beyond "chasing Sephiroth" being a little disjointed, so maybe that was just always gonna be a problem.
Yesterday, I was watching this on the side while working and at some point I was just listening on the side. Then I closed UA-cam to go walk my dog. Today I was going to finish watching this so I started at community questions and see the standart black haired Janet and I was like "this is not the one I was watching." I checked some other videos, I didn't understand what other episode could be. Or was this the right one and Garciafiroth was from another one? I was losing my mind! Reality itself was crumbling. They were some hard two or three minutes.
Did a *DiCaprio pointing meme* in real life when Ben said "New No-Nos" and just wanted to make sure he knew another CBB listener was nodding in approval.
Echoing others, but the back-and-forth of the FF7 discussion is great. Everyone's coming from a different place going into this remake trilogy, and hearing out those expectations and thoughts is a lot more engaging!
I wanted to see a full lets play of FF7R but i agree with the cast, it is sooo boring ajd middling. Just a bunch of generic filler content. I just cant force myself to finish watching a lets play at work, much less play it. Glad i didnt pick it up. The constant interruptions between gameplay and chatting would've drove me insane. Think ill just watch the deepest dive to get thr gist of the story
it's crazy to me jacobs opinion cause i love love remake and every thing i've seen about rebirth is how amazing it is with the synergy shit and the open world i'm shocked . Also it's the middle of the trilogy there's not gonna be an arc the same way
On Shadow of the Erdtree's difficulty, yes Miyazaki said there would be Malenia level bossfights, but he specified that they will be optional! From the IGN interview: "And again, to our more hardcore players, they will find optional bosses who have been tuned in a similar way to the likes of Malenia, who I'm sure you remember from the base game, who are not crucial. Interviewer: Oh God Miyazaki: Yeah, you might remember her. They're not crucial to completion of the DLC, but they are an optional extra to help challenge for those who are so inclined."
There's a small contingent of people online trying to push Search Action. Search action ain't ever getting over brother. My suggestion to those who irrationally hate Metroidvania is to try and push Metrovania instead. It takes two root words from the original portmanteaus, Metro meaning a subway or more evocatively a labyrinth of subterranean tunnels, and Vania which comes from Transylvania, which itself means "through the woods" with the root of "Sylvan" which basically means "of the woods" but also has connotations of the super natural and divine. Like forest gods and woods spirits, etc. That way you lose the specific references to named franchises, which always seems to be the main complaint about Metroidvania as a label, and instead you have a word that is etymologically evocative of dark lost places, mysticism, finding you way, etc. Which kind of exactly describes 90% of the genre. Also, because it's just a refined, contracted, version of the word that everyone knows, understands and uses already, people will more likely be receptive to the pitch and also know what the hell you're talking about. This as opposed to trying to forcible rename something wholly differently because you don't like the accepted term for it. Or, you know, just use metroidvania. It's fine and everyone knows exactly what it means. (also all the etymology I spewed above still applies and justifies it) That's how language works after all; that's where new words come from.
Well this certainly tempered my expectations a bit, but hey, maybe that’s a good thing, the hype has just been building and building to semi crazy levels these last few months.
I think it helps having played the original game knowing that this chunk is quite a lot of going town to town chasing down Sephiroth and character development/arcs. As fans we will lap it up, but people playing playing through first time via the remakes might feel a little like things aren't really going anywhere. That said although it was part of one game before it's a section I remember fondly. Do feel like they're being quite harsh on it considering (as far as we know at this time) it seems pretty faithful to og.
During the Elden Ring question, Jacob's arguments around its success is interesting to me. He says mainly it was mostly hype and advertising that got people to buy and that ER wouldve been the biggest Fromsoft game even if it wasnt open world. I defs agree the ER hype machine was loud and Very contagious. Leo asks if GRRM have anything to do with it, Jacob says it doesnt move the needle. That is a little hard to believe. Dark Souls 3 sold 10 million copies and i think at least some part of that is due to Game of Thrones popularity. I think Jacob underestimates influence his name had on normie/non souls heads. Back to the open world point, the amount of people comparing ER to BOTW also provided massive interest. Lastly, Ben mentions how social media played a role in sharing all the neat discoveries the world has to offer and Jacob replies "But you dont know that until you buy it" I find this confusing because Ben's point is that people sharing it online would entice people to buy it? Of course they dont know, this is how they find out. Anyways, good pod as always
Not really surprising because the people on this podcast are far more contrarian than other video game critics. That’s not a dig at them or anything, just an honest observation.
Way too high. Remake was boring as hell to me, story barely kept me going. The combat was awful and most of the character moments fell flat as too goofy and childish. Like I understand I’m supposed to feel something about Biggs and Jessie possibly dying, but their “death”seems were so goofy with no blood, everyone gets 5 minutes to monologue before dying and saying the dumbest most meaningless shit. Couldn’t get into it.
Rebirth - the patch did not fix it 😢 Janet's description of reading the menu during a fight is a bit is how I felt playing the demo xD The rebirth discussion was interesting and fun, thanks!
"Search-Action" Kensaku-Sayo I think? According to Google. Which does sound kinda cool. Search Action sounds like what Google does. Like, "Define Google as a Verb." "Hmmm... Search Action??"
Regarding the "egg" thing and chefs. I believe the iconic chefs hat gets its many frumples/wrinkles/layerings from how skilled a chef is at making an egg in a different way. So if you ever see a chef wearing the crinkliest chef's hat, just know that that mf can tear up an egg in so many ways.
i don't understand why you would ever want to mainline a game this great that takes years and years to make . I'm shocked at the reaction on minnmax of all channels everywhere else is showing so much love for this game
Not everyone plays the same and I ONLY mainline games. I absolutely hate side quests. That being said im sure I won't be as down on this game as the panel was but I also don't think it will be my favorite FF but who knows.
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Hopefully the conversation in this video wasn’t a preview of what to expect in terms of depth, analysis and tone for the deepest dive
Honestly as a long time fan of ben and this show game informer the final fantasy section had me in stitches because it felt like he was on a verge of a nervous breakdown at any point 😂
His discomfort was truly palpable.
Lmaooo, I came in from the audio podcast thinking Janet ironed her hair or had gotten just a new genuine hairstyle. Was not expected a full on sephiroth cosplay wig, hahah
People think Hanson says 'am I nuts?" a bunch but they don't realize "in a big way" has been used 354 times on the podcast playlist.
That number seems low
@MargaritoTrevino Well there's only 233 episodes on that playlist, at the time of running the script, Hanson was out for at least 9 because of the baby. So 224 total being about 1.58x an episode seems in the ballpark, but you could be right. We need a supercut.
Hearing that FFVII Rebirth has a scattershot open world with a bunch of weird minigames that don't cohere together thematically and there isn't a whole lot of forward momentum with the main narrative and I'm being like "Damn, they really were very faithful to the middle part of the original FFVII".
Yeah, that's what I was thinking the whole time, and with other reviewers criticisms, it all basically lines up with the stuff that the original was known for. Like, I honestly feel as though even those people who did play and love the original have completely forgotten how it actually plays. The minigames is a huge one. That used to be one of the major talking points about why 7 was so good. People seem to have completely changed their opinion about these aspects being enjoyable or not because they've gotten used to more modern expectations around narrative.
Exactly. In OG after leaving midgar it’s basically just a long Sephiroth chase with silly side stuff to do until you maybe reach temple of the ancients. That’s not a bad thing though. It contributed to the sense of freedom and a vast open world while being lineair in actuality.
Jacob says the difference between Final Fantasy VII and Yakuza 8 is VII was made with infinite… money. Real missed opportunity there.
The FF discussion was gripping. I was planning on listening while grinding out some missions in Granblue Fantasy, but about 5 minutes in I had to put down my controller and load up the youube video. I couldn't focus on anything other than the FF conversation.
The secret sauce for me is the balance between criticism and genuine enjoyment. It wasn't a one sided conversation, which made it more interesting. I didn't feel like the discussion was too ass-kissey or too negative. It made me realize just how much there is to talk about with this game. That's very exciting to me.
my impression was that ben likes it, janet can't say much, cuz she only finished 27% of the game and the other two didn't like it, but didn't wanted to spill the beans, it was way heavier on the criticism side, cuz it was only ben who added the actual positives
@@shro_okee Did we listen to the same podcast? Janet was further along than Ben, and she praised the combat and characters. Kyle and Jacob also had a few positive things to say. The 'criticism/complements' balance isn't nearly as dire as FF diehards are making it out to be.
Ben just to remind you that in 2022, on multiple occasions, you reflected on the absurdity of your fear of these games in light of your experience with Elden Ring. I would encourage you to rekindle that sentiment and not allow fear to dictate whether or not you will engage with Shadow of The Erdtree.
I was also thinking this!! And honestly same thing I felt, with this being my first FS game. I recently jumped back in and was surprised with how much memory I still retained
JANETROTH!!!
This explains why she hates Chadley.
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*janetroth*
Congratulations JeffM, really happy for you man!
It’s weird. Giant bomb said they all felt the open world stuff wasn’t required at all.
Sean said he did none of it. EXCEPT that there were a few instances of forced mini games.
The devs themselves said numerous times play the game how you want to experience it. Whether that means doing a bunch of side quests and stuff or focusing on main quest and coming back later.... Whatever works for you. I think that's in spirit with the og.
hahaha Janet, lovin' the Sephiroth love
Another lovely MinnMax thursday
Ben - "I'll get this ball rolling."
The gang: Hold on there chief.
perfectly summed up the rebirth portion of the video
Ben is right about making elden ring your own, something that made me realize I needed to get it asap was like 8 coworkers had just started and they were all talking about different interesting things they found.
Kyles like.... I gotta play the game? That rubbed me the wrong way.
Love Kyle but, yeah, that did seem like a bit of a weird complaint, especially coming from someone who loved Ghost of Tsushima which is, respectfully, about as boiler plate open world as you can get.
As much as I appreciate and enjoy this episode-and MinnMax in general-I do wish they'd stop labeling impressions as "Review". It's not indicative of the content and also gets a lot of people worked up in the comments. This is a fantastic outlet that shouldn't feel the need to resort to dishonesty for the sake of SEO.
I think that's a good point. I do think it would be interesting for MinnMax to put together actual reviews, but that doesn't seem like something they're interested in pursuing and I can respect and understand that given how touchy people are about them.
I can already tell that the GOTY 2024 debates are going to be wild. I'm not sure Ben is ready.
It sounds like they all preferred Infinite Wealth except Ben lol
@@JorgeM270I think Kelsey and Sarah might be on Ben’s side
lol Ben vs the world
Literally the entire internet agrees it's great but Jacob contrarion geller loves to shit on big aaa expensive games. Only indie games or fromsoft games are allowed to be cool. Remember he shit all over spiderman 2
@@refugee522studios I think he generally dislikes most Japanese games in general. Which is not a big deal.
15:48 "I actually have to play a videogame in order to progress, what a bummer..."
what even is that take? like cmon what, like I get it, if one only wants to play the main story, they can and should have the option, but you do have to do the chocobo stuff, because you are going to need those chickens to traverse the world, that was a non-complain at best
Hearing journalists complain about not being able to golden path it because they refused to engage with the game is always a treat
Jacob’s comment about how rebirth doesn’t afford a lot of context to people who haven’t played remake is how I felt about remake itself. Felt like there was a ton of fan service in remake and an incomplete story with characters that aren’t well established within the game itself. By the end of remake I was decidedly checked out of the story and had no interest in anything more going forward. This entire remake franchise seems aimed directly at long time fans, and while that is cool, it would have been nice for Square to make these games more accessible/stand-alone for new players.
To be fair, they have made the original game easily accessible on every platform known to man for those that want to original game's context.
As a huge OG fan, I still don't know what they were thinking with Remake's ending. It's completely incomprehensible without playing OG, and tbh probably needs CC and AC too. I think there's an assumption OG fans like this new direction for the story because 'it makes the story new even for OG fans', but personally I'd rather have an old great story retold here than a pointless new one created.
The only thing afforded to players of the original when jumping in to remake is being able to recognise when they foreshadow later reveals. That foreshadowing is still mostly in the midgar section of the original game, and you don't learn any of these big revelations until disc two (which rebirth still doesn't get to).
I can see the frustration with not having questions answered, but isn't that the nature of a story told over several parts? It's not uncommon for books or movies, and definitely not for tv, so why can't games be allowed to hold back on aspects of their narrative to reveal at a later point?
@@MarkPTP7000yeah for me that ending was pretty bad. I was mostly enjoying the game till then.
You could just easily play the original if you want context. It's not gatekeeping
Great episode guys! Please ignore the comments suggesting it’s somehow wrong to level criticism at a game they haven’t even played yet. The honest, thoughtful discussion is what makes this my favorite gaming channel ❤
Facts
Weird. I'm usually laying in the fetal position, crying in the shower.
Edit: Congrats JeffM!
WHY DO PEOPLE HATE CHADLEY THE DUDE LITERALLY DONT DO ANYTHING WRONG
His name is Chadley
Why do you like Chadley?
Chadley made himself a lil shortie...I fuck with bro though
@@jupiterofthemonkeyii5569 I don’t particularly like him but he’s chill I don’t know people who dislike CHADLEY give off weirder vibes than him. He’s just a funny awkward dude who gives you materia
Fail a legendary combat sim on the last few rounds only to have Chadley say something passively condescending and then get back to us
9:20 Hanson talking nonsense. Response to _The Two Towers,_ be it by critics, audiences or at the box-office, was completely in line with the other 2 films.
To be fair response to Rebirth outside of this podcast has been similarly stellar
Will see... I usually don't align with Jacob Geller's opinion so I'm still eager to play the game for myself and see where I land.
Janet must be a huge Sephiroth fan. Her commitment to the cosplay is incredible, it's 1:1. She almost looks as pretty as he does. You go girl!
I love him. He’s cool he’s hot he does it all.
@@Gameonysus
It shows, through and through. Never stop.
I'm not really concerned (or surprised) about Jacob's negativity towards Rebirth. Can't wait to play next week! Looks fantastic. Based on all the reviews I've seen, it's worth the wait.
Ive been playing og ff7 and the story concerns with rebirth are very apparent. I forgot how little connective tissue there is with this portion of the game. It's literally going town to town for character vignettes without any meaningful story progression until the last couple of areas.
Theyre some of the most memorable parts of the game, but yeah, "we're hoping to catch up to sephiroth" isnt a compelling narrative.
Yessss, thank you for saying this! This is honestly why some of the reactions to the criticism confuse me a bit. This isn't really a Rebirth problem, this is an FF7 problem that was there from the start. It's the meandering section of the original story and if Rebirth stays faithful to it, I can totally see it not working for some people.
@PSpiceProof yeah im surprised those familiar with the original aren't clarifying that this IS what this section of the game is supposed to be. I'm 100% on board with the criticism of it though, I can imagine 75% of it feels almost aimless in terms of big picture stuff.
Maximillian dood had the best stopping point theory of this game being at the end of the northern crater segment. That would have given a lot more meaningful plot progression and ended set up for the 3rd game starting in the most dire situation possible
It's not really a problem. It's dependent on the person. You basically described Empire Strikes Back in SW. Not much is happening in the grand story. It's just a very character driven plot that delves deeper into its characters. It's not an issue there because we have all three movies. Just like it won't be when we have all three games.
For me the character stories are what makes FF7. So getting a game going through each characters stories as they hunt down a person bent on destroying the world is perfect. 😊
@danorganplayer films like empire or two towers are definitely what comes to mind. It's the middle part of a trilogy after all. But I would still argue that a sequence like cosmo canyon or the corel prison don't service the story at all (mostly) in place of character development, where as those films still feel like theyre pushing forward.
It definitely varies by person, but unless they're sprinkling in a lot more of the grander plot stuff at this section of the game than the og did, I can see it as a valid complaint to newcomers wanting to see where its all going.
I love all this stuff in the og though, so im still very excited. Just sharing my thoughts having recently played the og. Means part 3 will be nothing but absolutely insane shit
@@MRayGames I think it's pushing things forward in the ways it needs to. I think it's pushing it just as much as empire is.
Establishing Cloud's past with Sephiroth, establishing Tifa and Cloud's very apparent confusion with each other's stories and the ever growing corrupted cloud by Jenova ....leading to a confrontation at Forgotten Capital where we know what happens.
To me that's extremely empire. Hearing Barret and Red's back stories are hugely important because it shows the why in their motivations as to why they'd even bother joining on this adventure. Not to mention everything else that's discussed at Cosmo canyon.
To me it's very much fully empire. Nothing huge is happening for much of empire outside of interpersonal development of characters but it's this slow building dread leading to a confrontation where everything turns to shit ....leading to an ominous what is next? That's rebirth. Empire actually received mixed reviews upon release, it didn't become a favorite till it was all done. So rebirth has a leg up :P
I can understand people wanted much bigger developments to happen but the middle chapter is all development which to me is actually the most interesting thing in a character driven story. People will grow even more appreciation for rebirth once we get the third entry
I was surprised to hear that Hanson's already at the second stopping point for the Rebirth Deepest Dive a week before the game's release. I can't really blame him, though. I'd probably do the same if I had an early copy of my most anticipated game.
That's fair, but yes I have a tight schedule and want to ensure I'll be ready to go for the second episode. I won't be playing ahead through the entire Deepest Dive though.
Hey, man, you do what you need to do. After hearing how much time the crew has spent on just the first handful of chapters, I'm hoping I can even keep up! @@minnmax
Really liked that Rebirth discussion. Probably helped that I've played both parts of the demo, but just thanks for doing that: exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for!
Ben, in the GotY debate I'll be rooting for you as you defend Rebirth lol sounds like the crew isn't too into this one
I like the long podcasts! It helps me get through the workday ☺️
I'm here to see Janet's cosplay!
Malenia is the hardest boss I’ve ever fought in any game.
She's absolutely insane.
I kind of wanted Janet to bring up her experience on the Easy Allies show when Skull and Bones came up... (I know she plugs the podcast at the end)
Wait, Janet was on the EZA podcast?
@@sebastianmauritzell6072 Yep, last week's episode, 100% must watch just for the intro, never laughed so hard.
@@lukemoonwalker8444 thanks! I'll check it out.
Fully unhinged genius from Don on that show
I’ve been listening to every podcast waiting for someone to share my hype for World of Goo 2. Thanks, Ben!
That Final Fantasy discussion was amazing! Super interested to play it sounds like very high highs but a lot of lows too, I find that interesting ! Thanks MinnMax!
Ha! I lost it seeing Janet in that intro.
I find it really interesting that the main criticism of Rebirth here is a lack of forward story progression, when I've played 65 hours of Baldur's Gate 3 and I don't know what's happening in the story AT ALL, and 60 hours of The Witcher 3 and I'm still looking for Ciri. I would like to see the same criticisms applied to those games. Which is also interesting when all other reviewers I have watched mentioned the open world stuff being completely optional.
If FF7 Rebirth has side quests as substantial as BG3, I will give you ten thousand dollars.
This game's story probably isn't as good as those.
Now now boys, stay on point here. Neither of those things is the criticism here. I could throw it back at you and say FF7's combat is far better than both of those games, but that's not the point.The criticism is "there is a lack of story progression". And I present to you 2 extremely well received games that have the exact same issue, and nobody bats an eye. All open world/huge scale games struggle with this, due to the story content being stretched over 80-100 hours. It's not just a Rebirth problem. I love The Witcher and BG3. But the problem does exist, and people choose to ignore it when it suits them.
+ that is faithful to the original, the very thing many people are afraid that the devs might stray too far away from that path and now even that gets criticized by seemingly the very same people, it's fine, one can criticize it, but og had plotpoints and sidequests that felt non fitting to the overall main story, that is the charm of it, it's supposed to be lighthearted, the calm before the storm, bonding with the group type of situation, but whatever
Kyle's initial issues sounds like a skill problem. Thats why he needed higher levels to clear bosses
With the Elden ring worries, my two cents: it was my first FS game, I played through on my PS4 on launch and then a year later I picked up on sale on my steam deck. In 30-ish hours, I did what in my first run took 90. There’s a lot less getting lost, loosing runes, and a lot of the boss attack patterns, even a year later, were still there. Not a thing I’d beat on a first go but definitely in just a small handful of tries.
Also based on the trailer dialog “touch the withered arm to travel to the shadow lands” or whatever they said towards the end very much implies you’d do so by touching miquella’s arm in Mohgwin’s palace, meaning - despite his tough boss fight - you could access it as early as Liurnia I believe
The whole conversation about how Ben puts up with builds in FF7 Rebirth had me imagining how it'd be like if he had the same kind of commitment to something like Xenoblade.
Combat is amazing. It’s fun just fighting in the air with Cloud teleporting around shooting sword beams and triple slashing, and never touching the ground. Great action. Then you have the ATB/character management, switching regularly. The pinnacle 50/50 ARPG.
"They went to the dead space... they were extracted" ... Jesus christ Ben 😂
I see Final Fantasy fans are having a normal one at slight criticism of a game.
Meltdown in the comment section
Of course I am! I have to cancel my preorder now because jacob didn’t like the side content! My day is ruined!
“A level-headed, nuanced discussion about the pros and cons of a highly-anticipated game? Not on my watch.”
I see the MinnMax community is just as overly sensitive as ever.
Came from the audio version to witness Janets 'do and to say congrats to JeffM!
Its impossible for Elden Ring to be too difficult. You just go farm more levels or upgrade your spirits.
Janet, sh*t comment about it being just a game compared to any other game while also reducing it. Valid opinion. Good for you. But each piece of entertainment can have symbolic power and cultural impact. This one particularly has a nostalgia effect for +10 million people and it was undeniably important for PS as a brand and video games as a whole.
Had the same experience as Jacob about the Helldivers extraction theme being eerily close to Spider-Man. Just adds to the game’s mystique.
Making a big show of 'fans not being normal' just makes me not want to engage with the content. It just sets up any critical comment, no matter how reasonable, to be followed with 'oh look here come the fanboys, it's not even out yet'. Granted there will always be unreasonable people, but it kills discussion if negative comments are framed that way. Why bother engaging if I'm just going to be spoken down to? I skipped 16 coverage on here for the same reason, despite having my own criticisms of that game.
You get it
Yeah, it's incredibly insulting. How dare us peasants dare to disagree with something uttered by the great and mighty commentators of this podcast.
@@burnout713 it’s even funnier when you realize those people are behaving in the exact same way he claimed FF fans to be, but at the behest of the host.
Leo tipping his headphones was very funny.
I love Ben. Now drink your damn Tea!!!!!
Janet 🤝 absolutely Sleepcycle. Love the alarm, and even if it’s a little creepy, my partner and I both talk in our sleep, so I have some pretty funny recordings of our incoherent ramblings.
One time I found a conversation where he went “meeeerrrmeerrrr meee meeeee meerrrrmerrrrrr meee meee” and I say “mhmmm” like I’m patronizing a little kid lmao
@@Gameonysusa recent fave was the sound of her rolling over and saying “the theme of the situation is: I’m cold”. She has zero recollection of this. She said it so coherently it woke me up and I was just staring at her to continue before realizing she must still be asleep.
Janet is trying to game the Thirst Council rules by trying to get into Casanova tier via mimicry.
"Rebirth will probably get good reviews because it has good graphics."
Yeah, I'm sure that's why. Get off your high horse, Jacob.
It's wild nobody calls him on stuff like that.
I love Jacobs content and this take of his is just wild to hear, like dude looks between the lines and analyzes everything in video games and then he just says stuff that's so insincere which can even be disproven, cuz it's funny that many ppl actually have complained about the graphics being low res at some points, so he's not even correct on that attempt to undermine the game either for a whole nother reason altogether, which is saying that the game itself is flawed and shouldn't have high ratings, but that was so petty that I think that he is adding way too much personal opinions into this one, that part took me out
Props to Ben for following through on the bit and actually putting a link in the description for JeffM’s GALOT. Also congrats to JeffM!
I had criticism of FF7 as a whole and made a comment about it on another vid only get get attacked by FF7 zealots. Im glad to see in the Minnmax comment section its actually a lot better (even if it is still not the best).
I don't know what ur opinion is, but I do think that it depends on the type of criticism, if it's smth that has been said a lot and also answered a lot, ppl will always just attack, that's with every fandom
@@shro_okeeI think it has to do with the size of the fan base, the bigger it is the more jerks it also has attached to it. People seem to feel so attached to a product that if I were to say FF7 is a good game, not a great one, the fans take it personally.
A lot, not all, of the FF7 fans i have seen remind me of Taylor Swift fans to where they believe the thing they enjoy can do no wrong.
@@joeyisabsb1 aight the taylor swift comparison is a good call, gotta admit that
Fun fact. After this ended I went back to Gerstman’s video from yesterday and the literal first words he said were “I don’t know” 😂
BALATRO SWEEP
15 minutes in, can't wait for them to say something nice about Rebirth. Any minute now.
Man, the FFVII section was a great wake up call to me to just distance from video game UA-cam discourse that sinks right into debates and critical detailed discussions and semi-tense conversation instead of just ... having fun with the game, by myself, with a smile on. Holy shit I spent minutes listening to people bothered by sidequests happening.
yes, the game isn't out yet, so I can't exactly judge their judgemnt of the game, but this harsh criticism doesn't sit right with me either
Ayou'd BETTER be trolling at 1:29:40 to verbally confuse a pillar of the platform like MARKIPLIER with a dang Paul brother...
I really wish the deepest dive had someone on it whos less familiar with ff7 just so theres a wider range of perspectives than just big ff7 fans because i really enjoyed this discussion
Yeah I hope the Deepest Dive doesn't end up being a love-in. It's nice when everyone likes something but I think contrasting opinions make for much better discussions (like in this episode). I don't find it especially engaging to listen to people take it in turns to shower praise on something, so fingers crossed the Deepest Dive grapples with any flaws Rebirth has, rather than glossing over them.
@@Benseventysevenmillion exactly, if it wants to live up to the name deepest dive then it should go deep on the good and the bad
Welcome to your opinions obviously - but glad they’re not on the deepest dive. What a bummer of a conversation from 3 people who claim “they like it”
Two things :
1. Reading the reviews for this game and listening to this ...feels like they played a different game lol.
2. Saying the story isn't moving and it doesn't cohere. This is kinda how FF7 was structured. The friends on a globetrotting adventure was the story and its very character driven
Did you play the game Rebirth or are you just thinking of the original? Things change for the better and worse.
Yeah I mean act2 in most stories is a journey/growth arc, but the tricky part is ballooning an act 2 into its own thing. It can easily end up lacking a strong inciting incident, climax and denoument given the fact that just by being an act 2 it inherently doesn’t have that. So it could very well be that the story of this section worksd much better then as part of a larger whole than standalone - and also probably why the smaller story moments with characters are the highlight here
Those robot hands in pt 1 drove me insane 💀💀💀...things like that are one of the reasons im 2 trophies from the plat still...
I love that first game, but man I couldn't believe how horrible (and long) that section was. The uncharacteristically horrible music they blast during that section does not help.
Dan Ryckert channels his inner Paul Ryckert with his Hanson critique
i don't have nostalgia for the game but i loved remake so much and everything on other channels has me so hyped for rebirth and i was just shocked at the negativity when clearly it's a good game
Came to hear Hanson talk about FF7, but then he got derailed by some harsh critics. Looking forward to the Deep Dive, though
Feedback from Jacob and the others seems pretty consistent with what I saw in reviews. Other than the flashback the story seems to be too sparse in the opening dozen hours or so, and in general this isn't a standout open world. But I think if you're in the bag for this like I am (or Ben) that's not going to be a problem at all.
The middle part of a single game (not even a trilogy) is tricky too. I do remember with original VII the "what are we actually doing" beyond "chasing Sephiroth" being a little disjointed, so maybe that was just always gonna be a problem.
Fellowship > Return > Two Towers
You are out of your mind.
@@burnout713 I assure you I'm not 😂
Bakshi > Jackson
Fellowship is the best. It's a perfect film. Never get tired of watching LOTR.
Yesterday, I was watching this on the side while working and at some point I was just listening on the side. Then I closed UA-cam to go walk my dog. Today I was going to finish watching this so I started at community questions and see the standart black haired Janet and I was like "this is not the one I was watching." I checked some other videos, I didn't understand what other episode could be. Or was this the right one and Garciafiroth was from another one? I was losing my mind! Reality itself was crumbling. They were some hard two or three minutes.
Great show! You all always have great points and fun interactions! Cool wig too!
They should have called it Poker 2
Did a *DiCaprio pointing meme* in real life when Ben said "New No-Nos" and just wanted to make sure he knew another CBB listener was nodding in approval.
Echoing others, but the back-and-forth of the FF7 discussion is great. Everyone's coming from a different place going into this remake trilogy, and hearing out those expectations and thoughts is a lot more engaging!
FF 7 Infinite Wealth Rebirth for GOTY!
I wanted to see a full lets play of FF7R but i agree with the cast, it is sooo boring ajd middling. Just a bunch of generic filler content. I just cant force myself to finish watching a lets play at work, much less play it. Glad i didnt pick it up. The constant interruptions between gameplay and chatting would've drove me insane. Think ill just watch the deepest dive to get thr gist of the story
it's crazy to me jacobs opinion cause i love love remake and every thing i've seen about rebirth is how amazing it is with the synergy shit and the open world i'm shocked . Also it's the middle of the trilogy there's not gonna be an arc the same way
On Shadow of the Erdtree's difficulty, yes Miyazaki said there would be Malenia level bossfights, but he specified that they will be optional! From the IGN interview:
"And again, to our more hardcore players, they will find optional bosses who have been tuned in a similar way to the likes of Malenia, who I'm sure you remember from the base game, who are not crucial.
Interviewer: Oh God
Miyazaki: Yeah, you might remember her. They're not crucial to completion of the DLC, but they are an optional extra to help challenge for those who are so inclined."
Subbed based off the FF7R discussion alone
Oh hey, thanks so much!
No keep the podcasts long! Lol
There's a small contingent of people online trying to push Search Action.
Search action ain't ever getting over brother.
My suggestion to those who irrationally hate Metroidvania is to try and push Metrovania instead.
It takes two root words from the original portmanteaus, Metro meaning a subway or more evocatively a labyrinth of subterranean tunnels, and Vania which comes from Transylvania, which itself means "through the woods" with the root of "Sylvan" which basically means "of the woods" but also has connotations of the super natural and divine. Like forest gods and woods spirits, etc.
That way you lose the specific references to named franchises, which always seems to be the main complaint about Metroidvania as a label, and instead you have a word that is etymologically evocative of dark lost places, mysticism, finding you way, etc. Which kind of exactly describes 90% of the genre.
Also, because it's just a refined, contracted, version of the word that everyone knows, understands and uses already, people will more likely be receptive to the pitch and also know what the hell you're talking about. This as opposed to trying to forcible rename something wholly differently because you don't like the accepted term for it.
Or, you know, just use metroidvania. It's fine and everyone knows exactly what it means. (also all the etymology I spewed above still applies and justifies it) That's how language works after all; that's where new words come from.
Well this certainly tempered my expectations a bit, but hey, maybe that’s a good thing, the hype has just been building and building to semi crazy levels these last few months.
aye this was a great tonic tbh, always enjoy something more when it’s driven by my own experience and not so much the sky high expectations
Jacob's opinion is certainly an outlier so I think it's fair to keep expectations high
As usual, lol. @@Echo__plex
Pretty sure it's an outlier. 92 metacritic. Seems quite positive. remake part 1 had a 87 by comparison.
I think it helps having played the original game knowing that this chunk is quite a lot of going town to town chasing down Sephiroth and character development/arcs. As fans we will lap it up, but people playing playing through first time via the remakes might feel a little like things aren't really going anywhere. That said although it was part of one game before it's a section I remember fondly. Do feel like they're being quite harsh on it considering (as far as we know at this time) it seems pretty faithful to og.
Congratulations, JeffM! 😊
Music to my ears. I need this to sustain me until part 3.
Congrats JeffM!
During the Elden Ring question, Jacob's arguments around its success is interesting to me.
He says mainly it was mostly hype and advertising that got people to buy and that ER wouldve been the biggest Fromsoft game even if it wasnt open world. I defs agree the ER hype machine was loud and Very contagious. Leo asks if GRRM have anything to do with it, Jacob says it doesnt move the needle. That is a little hard to believe. Dark Souls 3 sold 10 million copies and i think at least some part of that is due to Game of Thrones popularity. I think Jacob underestimates influence his name had on normie/non souls heads. Back to the open world point, the amount of people comparing ER to BOTW also provided massive interest. Lastly, Ben mentions how social media played a role in sharing all the neat discoveries the world has to offer and Jacob replies "But you dont know that until you buy it" I find this confusing because Ben's point is that people sharing it online would entice people to buy it? Of course they dont know, this is how they find out. Anyways, good pod as always
Checked the meta critic on 7 cause I thought it must’ve bombed listening to this and I literally shouted “WHAT?!?” At the 93 😂😂
Not really surprising because the people on this podcast are far more contrarian than other video game critics. That’s not a dig at them or anything, just an honest observation.
@@fancypants5782 More critical, perhaps, but contrarian? I've been listening to the show for a couple of years now and haven't picked up on that.
Way too high. Remake was boring as hell to me, story barely kept me going. The combat was awful and most of the character moments fell flat as too goofy and childish. Like I understand I’m supposed to feel something about Biggs and Jessie possibly dying, but their “death”seems were so goofy with no blood, everyone gets 5 minutes to monologue before dying and saying the dumbest most meaningless shit.
Couldn’t get into it.
Really? @@jonathanbaird
@Cyber7777 edgy 14 year old says lil bro when someone insults his favorite japanese dating sim disguised as an rpg.
Congrats JeffM!!
Recore is incredible
Is this Janet's burner account?
Rebirth - the patch did not fix it 😢
Janet's description of reading the menu during a fight is a bit is how I felt playing the demo xD
The rebirth discussion was interesting and fun, thanks!
Love the hair Janet! Love Fromsoftware too!
Boys lookin good too ;)
"Search-Action" Kensaku-Sayo I think? According to Google. Which does sound kinda cool.
Search Action sounds like what Google does. Like, "Define Google as a Verb." "Hmmm... Search Action??"
Have heard “gated exploration” used for the Metroidvania genre
Regarding the "egg" thing and chefs. I believe the iconic chefs hat gets its many frumples/wrinkles/layerings from how skilled a chef is at making an egg in a different way. So if you ever see a chef wearing the crinkliest chef's hat, just know that that mf can tear up an egg in so many ways.
Shadow of the erdtree will get nom at game awards.
2:20:24 for video games, on a meta level, it's probably Envy. Microtransactions rely on people being envious of other people's gear.
Have you thought about making an alternative to Patreon? Because that thing ain't available everywhere.
i don't understand why you would ever want to mainline a game this great that takes years and years to make . I'm shocked at the reaction on minnmax of all channels everywhere else is showing so much love for this game
Not everyone plays the same and I ONLY mainline games. I absolutely hate side quests. That being said im sure I won't be as down on this game as the panel was but I also don't think it will be my favorite FF but who knows.