Cleaning the Nastiest Fuel Tank on YouTube with Electricity? Will it work??
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Andrew Camarata has a video on how to disable the sensing feature on a Harbor Freight battery charger.
With the help of a chainsaw. 😉😂
Electrolysis would have worked better if you would have capped off the gas tank and filled only the gas tank with the water solution. Then dangled a chain down the fill hole as the anode. Would have concentrated the action to only the inside of the tank.
I agree
I was also thinking that, that would the electrolysis have getting into the tank as the neck opening was close to the top?
Yup, immediately saw the problem with the blue tank setup... he wants to clean the inside, it has to be done internally. Electrolysis is a 'line of sight' action. The electricity runs the shortest path. Shopdogsam has a good demonstration on this.
I would think that just having an electrode internal of the tank even while submerged like that might have taken care of the inside of the tank. Just a bit of rebar through an insulator hanging down into the center of the tank.
YES
Next time you have a tank to clean out, try tumbling it with gravel (crushed stone with lots of sharp edges) instead of nuts and bolts. It is abrasive like sand blasting and works a lot better. BTW, I agree with others. Put the anode inside the tank for best results with electrolysis.
I ran concrete mixers, the first thing is teach the guys never to hit the drum to remove stuck on concrete. As your say newly crushed gravel is best, plus add a few soft bricks for extra weight and impact. After mixing a load on concrete or mortar, leave the mixer running a while with some sand or stone and some water before shutting it off. Do a full clean at the end of shift.
I had to rewind twice. I was betting mouse when it arrived, but obvious when it left.
What about using a corse sand blasting material and tumble it
Or visit a farm supply/feed store and get some turkey grit. That's fresh-crushed granite chips. Very sharp and very clean.
Wish you had mentioned the electrolysis earlier!
The electrolysis can not clean surfaces that are "shielded" by other elements connected to the same voltage. In order to clean the inside of that tank, you would need to put the sacrificial electrode inside.
That’s what everyone’s telling me lol 🤦🏼♂️ oh well I learned something
@@DieselCreek Also every so often you want to grind off all the rust from your sacrificial pieces in order for the electrolysis to keep working well.
You can always bend a steam wand you know !
Hand painting (with a brush) works better, Texaco hand painted their Tanker chassis for nearly ever.
@@DieselCreek Forget electrolysis. It's too hit and miss. Just make a 70/30 bath of water to vinegar and leave it a week. That's a weak solution but stronger is better. I use that to clean axe heads that have been buried in the ground for 50 years so that should tell you how effective it is.
exactly this
I had a fuel tank from a Cub Cadet that was coated with a layer of crud from a full tank of evaporated gas. No solvent would touch it including MEK or Acetone. I read that expensive tank cleaning solutions used phosphoric acid so I filled the tank with Coke Classic and let it sit. It took it down to bare metal after soaking for 3 days!
I was going to suggest acid, that usually does the job.
I've tried COKE & it's not the miracle solution that many say it is.
Best use for Coke yet.
I'm a Pepsi man 😎
In school I was a grill cook. Burgers, ham and cheese, grilled cheese, eggs, bacon, potatoes etc. Our cleaning routing was diet sprite. Took it to metal and we had to season it over and over, but that grill was sparkling.
But is Coke better than Pepsi?
You can pick up a bottle of 80% phosphoric acid from a hydroponics supplier. Cheaper than Coke and no sugar residue to deal with afterwards.
As stated, electrolysis is "line of sight". Fill it with water and put electrode inside, isolated from touching the tank.
Found this Video today. I think, one of the best adresses to ask fighting against rust might be Mustie 1 on YT. Every time, I see him starting new projekts, they are crusty, crispy and rusty in the begining, at the End he wins. Sorry for bad english, I'm a german guy.
Greetings from Germany
Jo
I like that this guy is learning the same way alot of us do: watch UA-cam videos and read articles on the internet. Always a good video and entertaining.
You don’t understand Russian, I don’t understand English, but I watch your videos and am delighted with your videos, how much technology you have, how much enthusiasm you have. And I translated this text through a google translator, so that at least somehow you would understand me. Sorry if Google translate something wrong
Your first coat of spray paint (whether with a gun or a rattle can) should be so light that it looks like accidental overspray. The second coat should be so light that it doesn't completely cover. The third coat is when you finally get complete coverage. I've been painting things for years this way with excellent results. 👍👍
The first time I saw Andrew use this rag trick I had to face palm myself. Couldn't believe I'd lived my entire life without figuring that trick out.
So I learned same thing you did about electrolysis in the comments. White vinegar outa the jug in the tank soak for 24 hrs. Then add your chains n bolts to put on the mixer might have done same thing. 5% acid content, 2$ a gallon at the dollar store. I've cleaned steel with it before, it's suprising what it does. Basically soak n scrub with abrasive dishwashing scrunchie thingie.
I've also used dead battery acid on sheet metal tanks. The trick there is not to just flush it. Use a baking soda to neutralize the acid before you empty it. It will be effervescent so don't cap it. After foaming stops empty and flush. Battery acid will keep eating all the non submerged parts of the tank without neutralizing it. Even with flushing, what others have told me. I've had excellent results that way too. Thanks for sharing
11:42 occasionally cleaning your sacrificial metal with a hose and bristle brush will speed up the process. Suspending a piece of sacrificial steel down into the tank is the only real way to clean the inside.
Frog bottom left corner at the start of the video!!!! lol
I didn’t even notice that lol
Good eye
at about 0:27; rewinded it 3 times before i figured it was a frog and came to check the comments
It’s a toad.....
@@localcrew Correct you are. I have four toads that live in my garage. Each one hangs out in their respective corner until evening then they come out and help me get rid of bugs.
I did this method before and used epsom salt, just an idea.
Everyone has their method, and most often it’s based on what you have on hand and being realistic.
In the Navy on my ship I had a huge ultrasonic tank for cleaning reduction gear filters...on a duty day my buddy brought in a motorcycle tank from a crusty old Honda he was rebuilding. We filled the ultrasonic cleaner with feed water (very clean distilled water) and kind of forgot we put the motorcycle tank inside, as the duty day took our attention on to other issues. After evening chow we went down to the filter shop after it running for hours (I’d be lying if I said how long, but it was hours) oh that tank was sparkling CLEAN, looked brand new, even his paint came off in one giant piece.
Not many people have a 100 gallon ultrasonic cleaner in their garage though...do what you gotta do.
You're not stupid. far from it. I really enjoy your videos and all your hard work. Thanks.
I was waiting the entire video for you to drop that flashlight inside the tank! Good job bub!
Matt, get yourself an inspection cam, like the ones used to inspect water damage in a wall. You will be able to film the dark recesses of the insides things like this tank.
On a lot of railroad track equipment we rebuild we get some really bad tanks and we fill em with Evaporust and BBs. Strap it to a BBQ spit and let it sit there a few days. Comes out super clean.
Then we add Kreem and spin em again.
Always A Good Afternoon when the sun is Setting and Your opening a Beer Matt 0:10 @Diesel Creek
“Somting Wong” I lost it😂😂😂 good work buddy! Sure turned out nice
I really enjoy watching Andrew Camarata! UA-cam actually suggested your channel to me because I watched Andrew!
I blame my YT habit on AC (and Levi) videos. Bummed when I found I had watched them all.
@@cdouglas1942 same! That's why I started branching out to others like Diesel Creek. But I'll be honest, the first AC video I watched he was pushing a dump truck with a trailer on the back up a hill using an excavator in idle. Then he jumped out and ran up to the dump truck to park it on the road. THEN ran back to deal with the excavator.
I said in my head, then commented on the video, "This guy is an idiot!" But I kept watching and now I truly understand what a genius he really is!
@@morgan0179 Its hard not to watch Andrew and not develop some genuine affection for the guy. His frequency has dropped off a little with the work on the Castle expansion and I imagine COVID has but the kibosh on work availability.
it is a bit frustrating to see how AC is sucessfull with everything, so diesel Geek serves as the reality thing where you see all the unsuccessful and sometimes really stupid mistakes. It takes balls to publish all your failures and total fault of physical knowledge on YT
Tank installed Looks Pretty Good Matt 26:20 @Diesel Creek
I really enjoyed watching you go thru all the different ideas to clean that tank, great video 👍
Personally I would buy a gallon or two of Evpro-rust remover soak the entire tank and the insides if the drum and you might like outcome.
its amazing what that stuff does to rust
Great stuff
Can you EvapoRust with electrolysis?
Pausing at 3:30 my initial thoughts on cleaning the inside of something that large and dirty by electrolysis are thus-: Firstly I'd clean and paint the entire outside of it with something to insulate that part so your amperage isn't wasted on the bit that doesn't matter & secondly I'd want to have the thing submerged in a tank large enough to have it upright with the neck at the top. Also it'd probably work faster/better if you were able to somehow put your anode plates inside the tank without them touching the sides since it works best "line of sight"...
You are a hoot!!! Your approach to all the crazy projects you tackle certainly keeps my interest. Good Luck Laddy!
Good job matt !! I learn something every day from your videos ☺☺
Any time you buy fuel from any gas stations, there is some water in that fuel, specially in winter time
I use bottle of HEET fuel additive regularly to dissolve water in the fuel tank, it works pretty good and it's cheap
ive got a case of it on the shelf lol
I definitely would have opted for the electrolysis seems like a pretty good method ...works pretty good for me in the past just make sure you got a nice old battery charger for it...these new ones don't work right for me
As mentioned, the newer ones dont work without modifications, but an old computer powersupply works well with minor modifications, or pick up a variable voltage power supply with current limiting- cheaper than a new battery charger and works perfectly for electrolysis work (and yes, if you wanted the inside cleaned, you needed to have an electrode inside, insulated from the tank!
I like the toad hopping out from under your ATV at 0:27 in the video. It is in the lower left and comes from behind the tire. It was like you spooked it when you put your hand on the tank. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Great how to video 👍. I've cleaned a few tanks using various methods but never electrolysis.
You definitely have the right idea with the electrolysis. Electricity takes the the shortest path that has the least resistance and flows from neg to pos. That sounds a little counterintuitive, but the reason it flows like that is because negatively charged electrons are smaller and move easier than the positively charged protons. The idea is to remove a small layer of metal from the inside of the tank and by removing that layer it takes the rust with it. Your cathode, the negative lead, is connected to the tank and your anode, the positive lead, needs to be connected to the metal rod rod and placed IN but not touching the tank for the shortest path with the least resistance. If you insulate the the wire where they connect to the anode and cathode it will reduce the amount of corrosion to them or just make sure the wire connections are not in the water.
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Why didn’t you try Evaporust and ball bearings when you had it strapped to the cement mixer
I bought a bunch of VERY rusty tools off a farm and I hear this is the way to go. After seeing how yours turned out I've got to try this.
Thank you. I always appreciate your videos.
One elektrode in the metal tank!
This is what I came here to say you should’ve hung and electrode inside of the tank not touching the sides
I third this. I've done metal fuel tanks in the past and you have to fill the tank with premixed water and washing soda first. Then suspend a diode in the fill cap and attach the negative somewhere at the base. The farther away from the diode the better. It will likely overflow with schmoo so you dont really want to do this on a tank with a nice paint job on the outside.
Ill forth it line of sight
Electrolysis is line of sight. You needed to put an electrode inside tank to convert the rust inside of the tank
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I remember the name of that red stuff G it's called red coat and you don't have to order it and set your local O'Reilly's and probably the other ones too yeah you're going to regret not coating that fuel tank maybe not it'll last a while before it rusts up but it definitely will Rust again. Like I said in the comment with your dog I use that stuff on my motorcycle tank it doesn't come off once it is on. Especially as clean as you got that tank, hats off to you for being so patient with that I know it's a pain in the ass. One thing I can tell you it's not real pricey but then again the motorcycle gas tank in comparison to that tank is a difference I think I paid $27 for a quart and it does several tanks so you would have probably needed two of those like I said it's not real pricey for the results that you get but it is what it is Matt. Stay safe stay well and as always God bless. PS Red Kote!!!
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Dynamite job ya did...worked out great....thanks for sharing
That a Genius Matt Strapping the Gas tank to a tractor Wheel using Chains and Filling with nuts and bolts in it and Just driving the tractor and letting the wheel Do the Shaking and Cleaning Work and using the Concrete Mixer i will need to get a Concrete mixer Now Matt lots of ways to Clean metal and Be Creative 1:00 @Diesel Creek
I hear this is where the cool people hang out
This is where everybody hangs out
Anyone see the frog at 0:27?!
I thought it was a mouse but it is indeed a frog.
@@petercolquhoun2086 same. I'm actually surprised i did, because it obviously jumps like a frog.
@@petercolquhoun2086 Mouse was my first thought too!
Helpful video. Shows exactly what not to do. "Sacrificial" metal in line of sight...anode/cathode in line of sight. So...sacrificial rod inside the tank.
We took our old rusty gas tanks to the raditor shop where they would clean the inside and then apply a liquid plasticote material that would seal rust etc to the tank and thus be good for our clean fuel. Tank would be rough inside but rust was encapsulated. Worked great. Done deal!
I saw Marty t do the electrolysis thing on a big drive chain. It seemed to work good for him.
I prefer the muraic acid thing. It’s no joke, but it works. I was using it once to get and get some alum piston debris from a chainsaw cylinder. I left a cap of of on my bench for a couple hours. Came back and all the tools and metal that were close had rusted over. Crazy stuff.
It’s kind of funny I’m watching this as a have a backhoe tank soaking in muratic acid lol
Imagine how many ants someone had to milk to get a gallon of the acid!
Great job... Can't wait to see the rest of the project. Have a great day.
Citric Acid usaly works well for me... Molasses too if you have the patience :-)
Yessir! The bigger the gob, the better the job, as our favorite British Columbian would say.
Phosphoric acid, the active ingredient in naval jelly. I think your tumbling attempt would have worked better with a metal-cutting tumbling medium.
Added benefit, phosphoric acid is much safer to work with and you can just dump it out onto the ground.
For the longest time when I was a kid I thought naval jelly had something to do with your belly button 🤣
Keep up the hard work and thanks for the awesome content stay safe and take care
“Coral Reef of Rust”! Pure poetry.
I’m glad you mentioned the part about needing to use an old charger-important point.
Might have been better to just fill the tank with solution and dangle a sacrificial anode inside, making sure it doesn’t touch.
Great video!
drink a keg of beer and weld er up to fit . Food grade clean👍🍺
I watch Andrew Camarta also.
I just came across this channel a few weeks ago and have quite enjoyed it, despite (perhaps because) I know practically nothing about mechanical things. I start projects I'm not experienced with or qualified to do -- and appreciate that you do the same. For example, my abandoned church is my house.
I love your side! What I don't like is that you accept your mistakes instead of removing them and getting better!
Your biggest mistake was placing the tank into the bucket, before making turning the water into electrolyte - unlikely that much electrolysis will went on in the inside.
Looks good and Andrew always has some good tips.
Nice job Matt
I've cleaned more than one rusty and cruded tank. I just use sand with some bluestone mixed in. Works every time. I clean my chains the same way putting the bluestone and sand in my mixer and then putting in the chain. Works just like a sandblaster without the work and mess.
Vinegar works very well that’s what I use
Such a cool rehab; motor swap; custom parts fab; paint! You've outdone yourself Matt (name dropping Andrew Cammarata to boot!). On to the last video!
Memorial Day weekend 2021, eating Chili dogs and binge-watching Diesel Creek! Doesn't get any better than this.
when using acids its best to flush them with a base sollution to neutralise the acid.
Thank you for another great content, I learned a lot from this. Indeed, Andrew Camarata is a hero, my DIY journey started from watching his content early this year and now I've subscribed to over 100 DIY/metal work/wood work/engineering channels, including yours. My tools are tripled in numbers lol
I've done all maintenance on my car on my own since then and every repair around the house I've done it myself, saved thousands of dollars which paid for the cost of new tools many times over.
UA-cam has taught me many things as well, I love being able to repair anything and learn what I don’t know
I've used muratic acid to clean out a rusty marine exhaust manifold and you really need to avoid those strong fumes. They can seriously burn your lungs.
Next time dealing with rust try vinegar, usually three or four bottles from most dollar type store or vinegar by the gallon jug at most supermarkets. Also coating the inside of metal fuel tanks definitely a good choice.
Use some of that soda you are drinking, it's amazing what it can do!
Thank you Matt, that is something I will keep in mind as I have ran across that same problem on an old garden tractor. The only thing I could consider was sandblasting and that would create too many other problems.I chose not to pursue the project any further instead.
Glad to help
Came out pretty good.
Just a quick spray painting tip. Before you shoot the paint on your prepared work piece, use a piece of scrap cardboard to test and adjust the sprayer setup. When you first pull trigger and some blob of unwanted material comes out, it will not spoil your work piece. This test method also provides an opportunity to adjust paint and air flow to optimum. Nice job cleaning the tank.
I did clean old horseshoe with baking soda solution. 12V didn't work best and I ended up using 20V battery charger but I was dealing with huge rust blob with the horseshoe inside. Good luck with your project.
Great video Matt. Like what u showed us. Great information.
I am a subscriber to you and Andrew Camarata and about 20 other UA-camr channels that I watch, regularly. I saw the one where he originally demonstrated how to clean an old, irregularly shaped fuel tank with a cloth or piece of paper towel, and compressed air.
Your music on time lapse cracks me up. I love the videos. We have a dairy farm so I can relate to your videos
Much love man.
U the man ,u never give up and u achieve ur goal.
Good idea using the cement mixer I never thought of that I had done the tractor trick before for a fuel tank on a tractor wheel before thanks for the idea I have to try to remember that for next time
vinegar would also have been a good alternative. it takes a little time but works pretty good.
Macro machines did this with a flathead v8, it worked great. You are on the right path
Nice shine up
Looks great Matt! 👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Good show chap. Keep up the channel. I enjoy it very much.
I always enjoy watching your project videos. A little hint concerning the electrolysis. IF you would have installed a metal rod through the center of the top cap opening, the inside would have come out way better. As it is, you only cleaned the outside using that method. And as for the paint gun, you have to clean them after using them so that the next time you go to use them, they work... Thumbs Up!
If the tank is really nasty I use lye for electrolysis. I cleaned a tank from my 1970 Charger that had 30 year old junk gas in it and plenty of rust. Had to solder several rust holes but it has been good for 10 years now. Used a inner coating to seal it. I first used this technique in 1984 on an old ATC 90 I was given. That tank is still good today. You can use the new battery changer as long as you put a battery in parallel with your electrode- just make sure you have a circuit breaker. A pressure washer speeds up the process if you clean off loose rust after a few hours.
Really great video and good job on the tank
Andrew Camarata is a living Legend when it comes to stuff like that, thanks for the video Matt.
Smart option
Nice job. Enjoyed
Great ideas and final solution. Many things get done by can do attitudes! Just a friend Ron
Better than I could've done. Thanks!
That is a good, quality tank and will serve for years, take good care of it.
Don't worry about the paint to much. I had a painter varnish two big rural church doors and prior to varnishing he asked that all outside lights not be turned in until the next day. Everyone forgot about the high pressure sodium light though. In the morning we could have had 10 million bugs stuck to those front doors as the light was directly over those doors. I paid the paint a full second cost to redo and we taped off the breaker for that light.
I was impressed with the results of both the electrolysis and acid
I've had good results with evapo rust but I have only used it on old mower gas tanks that are thinner
You are a very, Very patient person!!
My dad made an anode out of a hunk of threaded rod and stuck it through a cap from a paint can with a nut on top to stop it from dropping through. Set that down into the filler hole on the tank. Filled tank with salty water and hooked it up. I think that helped attack the inside more because my tank was very clean inside after that
Try using Feed Grade Molasses 9:1 (water:molasses), it works better. It's slow, but works perfectly.
The only thing better is sand blasting.
Turned out great!
Matt you've come a long way in a short space of time ,keep what you are doing very entertaining