Cleaning the Nastiest Fuel Tank on YouTube with Electricity? Will it work??
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Andrew Camarata has a video on how to disable the sensing feature on a Harbor Freight battery charger.
With the help of a chainsaw. 😉😂
You don’t understand Russian, I don’t understand English, but I watch your videos and am delighted with your videos, how much technology you have, how much enthusiasm you have. And I translated this text through a google translator, so that at least somehow you would understand me. Sorry if Google translate something wrong
Found this Video today. I think, one of the best adresses to ask fighting against rust might be Mustie 1 on YT. Every time, I see him starting new projekts, they are crusty, crispy and rusty in the begining, at the End he wins. Sorry for bad english, I'm a german guy.
Greetings from Germany
Jo
Next time you have a tank to clean out, try tumbling it with gravel (crushed stone with lots of sharp edges) instead of nuts and bolts. It is abrasive like sand blasting and works a lot better. BTW, I agree with others. Put the anode inside the tank for best results with electrolysis.
I ran concrete mixers, the first thing is teach the guys never to hit the drum to remove stuck on concrete. As your say newly crushed gravel is best, plus add a few soft bricks for extra weight and impact. After mixing a load on concrete or mortar, leave the mixer running a while with some sand or stone and some water before shutting it off. Do a full clean at the end of shift.
I had to rewind twice. I was betting mouse when it arrived, but obvious when it left.
What about using a corse sand blasting material and tumble it
Or visit a farm supply/feed store and get some turkey grit. That's fresh-crushed granite chips. Very sharp and very clean.
I like that this guy is learning the same way alot of us do: watch UA-cam videos and read articles on the internet. Always a good video and entertaining.
I had a fuel tank from a Cub Cadet that was coated with a layer of crud from a full tank of evaporated gas. No solvent would touch it including MEK or Acetone. I read that expensive tank cleaning solutions used phosphoric acid so I filled the tank with Coke Classic and let it sit. It took it down to bare metal after soaking for 3 days!
I was going to suggest acid, that usually does the job.
I've tried COKE & it's not the miracle solution that many say it is.
Best use for Coke yet.
I'm a Pepsi man 😎
In school I was a grill cook. Burgers, ham and cheese, grilled cheese, eggs, bacon, potatoes etc. Our cleaning routing was diet sprite. Took it to metal and we had to season it over and over, but that grill was sparkling.
But is Coke better than Pepsi?
You can pick up a bottle of 80% phosphoric acid from a hydroponics supplier. Cheaper than Coke and no sugar residue to deal with afterwards.
Electrolysis would have worked better if you would have capped off the gas tank and filled only the gas tank with the water solution. Then dangled a chain down the fill hole as the anode. Would have concentrated the action to only the inside of the tank.
I agree
I was also thinking that, that would the electrolysis have getting into the tank as the neck opening was close to the top?
Yup, immediately saw the problem with the blue tank setup... he wants to clean the inside, it has to be done internally. Electrolysis is a 'line of sight' action. The electricity runs the shortest path. Shopdogsam has a good demonstration on this.
I would think that just having an electrode internal of the tank even while submerged like that might have taken care of the inside of the tank. Just a bit of rebar through an insulator hanging down into the center of the tank.
YES
Wish you had mentioned the electrolysis earlier!
The electrolysis can not clean surfaces that are "shielded" by other elements connected to the same voltage. In order to clean the inside of that tank, you would need to put the sacrificial electrode inside.
That’s what everyone’s telling me lol 🤦🏼♂️ oh well I learned something
@@DieselCreek Also every so often you want to grind off all the rust from your sacrificial pieces in order for the electrolysis to keep working well.
You can always bend a steam wand you know !
Hand painting (with a brush) works better, Texaco hand painted their Tanker chassis for nearly ever.
@@DieselCreek Forget electrolysis. It's too hit and miss. Just make a 70/30 bath of water to vinegar and leave it a week. That's a weak solution but stronger is better. I use that to clean axe heads that have been buried in the ground for 50 years so that should tell you how effective it is.
exactly this
The first time I saw Andrew use this rag trick I had to face palm myself. Couldn't believe I'd lived my entire life without figuring that trick out.
Frog bottom left corner at the start of the video!!!! lol
I didn’t even notice that lol
Good eye
at about 0:27; rewinded it 3 times before i figured it was a frog and came to check the comments
It’s a toad.....
@@localcrew Correct you are. I have four toads that live in my garage. Each one hangs out in their respective corner until evening then they come out and help me get rid of bugs.
Your first coat of spray paint (whether with a gun or a rattle can) should be so light that it looks like accidental overspray. The second coat should be so light that it doesn't completely cover. The third coat is when you finally get complete coverage. I've been painting things for years this way with excellent results. 👍👍
So I learned same thing you did about electrolysis in the comments. White vinegar outa the jug in the tank soak for 24 hrs. Then add your chains n bolts to put on the mixer might have done same thing. 5% acid content, 2$ a gallon at the dollar store. I've cleaned steel with it before, it's suprising what it does. Basically soak n scrub with abrasive dishwashing scrunchie thingie.
I've also used dead battery acid on sheet metal tanks. The trick there is not to just flush it. Use a baking soda to neutralize the acid before you empty it. It will be effervescent so don't cap it. After foaming stops empty and flush. Battery acid will keep eating all the non submerged parts of the tank without neutralizing it. Even with flushing, what others have told me. I've had excellent results that way too. Thanks for sharing
As stated, electrolysis is "line of sight". Fill it with water and put electrode inside, isolated from touching the tank.
Matt, get yourself an inspection cam, like the ones used to inspect water damage in a wall. You will be able to film the dark recesses of the insides things like this tank.
Always A Good Afternoon when the sun is Setting and Your opening a Beer Matt 0:10 @Diesel Creek
I did this method before and used epsom salt, just an idea.
Everyone has their method, and most often it’s based on what you have on hand and being realistic.
In the Navy on my ship I had a huge ultrasonic tank for cleaning reduction gear filters...on a duty day my buddy brought in a motorcycle tank from a crusty old Honda he was rebuilding. We filled the ultrasonic cleaner with feed water (very clean distilled water) and kind of forgot we put the motorcycle tank inside, as the duty day took our attention on to other issues. After evening chow we went down to the filter shop after it running for hours (I’d be lying if I said how long, but it was hours) oh that tank was sparkling CLEAN, looked brand new, even his paint came off in one giant piece.
Not many people have a 100 gallon ultrasonic cleaner in their garage though...do what you gotta do.
11:42 occasionally cleaning your sacrificial metal with a hose and bristle brush will speed up the process. Suspending a piece of sacrificial steel down into the tank is the only real way to clean the inside.
“Somting Wong” I lost it😂😂😂 good work buddy! Sure turned out nice
You're not stupid. far from it. I really enjoy your videos and all your hard work. Thanks.
On a lot of railroad track equipment we rebuild we get some really bad tanks and we fill em with Evaporust and BBs. Strap it to a BBQ spit and let it sit there a few days. Comes out super clean.
Then we add Kreem and spin em again.
I was waiting the entire video for you to drop that flashlight inside the tank! Good job bub!
I really enjoy watching Andrew Camarata! UA-cam actually suggested your channel to me because I watched Andrew!
I blame my YT habit on AC (and Levi) videos. Bummed when I found I had watched them all.
@@cdouglas1942 same! That's why I started branching out to others like Diesel Creek. But I'll be honest, the first AC video I watched he was pushing a dump truck with a trailer on the back up a hill using an excavator in idle. Then he jumped out and ran up to the dump truck to park it on the road. THEN ran back to deal with the excavator.
I said in my head, then commented on the video, "This guy is an idiot!" But I kept watching and now I truly understand what a genius he really is!
@@morgan0179 Its hard not to watch Andrew and not develop some genuine affection for the guy. His frequency has dropped off a little with the work on the Castle expansion and I imagine COVID has but the kibosh on work availability.
it is a bit frustrating to see how AC is sucessfull with everything, so diesel Geek serves as the reality thing where you see all the unsuccessful and sometimes really stupid mistakes. It takes balls to publish all your failures and total fault of physical knowledge on YT
Such a cool rehab; motor swap; custom parts fab; paint! You've outdone yourself Matt (name dropping Andrew Cammarata to boot!). On to the last video!
Just a quick spray painting tip. Before you shoot the paint on your prepared work piece, use a piece of scrap cardboard to test and adjust the sprayer setup. When you first pull trigger and some blob of unwanted material comes out, it will not spoil your work piece. This test method also provides an opportunity to adjust paint and air flow to optimum. Nice job cleaning the tank.
Pausing at 3:30 my initial thoughts on cleaning the inside of something that large and dirty by electrolysis are thus-: Firstly I'd clean and paint the entire outside of it with something to insulate that part so your amperage isn't wasted on the bit that doesn't matter & secondly I'd want to have the thing submerged in a tank large enough to have it upright with the neck at the top. Also it'd probably work faster/better if you were able to somehow put your anode plates inside the tank without them touching the sides since it works best "line of sight"...
Any time you buy fuel from any gas stations, there is some water in that fuel, specially in winter time
I use bottle of HEET fuel additive regularly to dissolve water in the fuel tank, it works pretty good and it's cheap
ive got a case of it on the shelf lol
Helpful video. Shows exactly what not to do. "Sacrificial" metal in line of sight...anode/cathode in line of sight. So...sacrificial rod inside the tank.
Tank installed Looks Pretty Good Matt 26:20 @Diesel Creek
You definitely have the right idea with the electrolysis. Electricity takes the the shortest path that has the least resistance and flows from neg to pos. That sounds a little counterintuitive, but the reason it flows like that is because negatively charged electrons are smaller and move easier than the positively charged protons. The idea is to remove a small layer of metal from the inside of the tank and by removing that layer it takes the rust with it. Your cathode, the negative lead, is connected to the tank and your anode, the positive lead, needs to be connected to the metal rod rod and placed IN but not touching the tank for the shortest path with the least resistance. If you insulate the the wire where they connect to the anode and cathode it will reduce the amount of corrosion to them or just make sure the wire connections are not in the water.
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I definitely would have opted for the electrolysis seems like a pretty good method ...works pretty good for me in the past just make sure you got a nice old battery charger for it...these new ones don't work right for me
As mentioned, the newer ones dont work without modifications, but an old computer powersupply works well with minor modifications, or pick up a variable voltage power supply with current limiting- cheaper than a new battery charger and works perfectly for electrolysis work (and yes, if you wanted the inside cleaned, you needed to have an electrode inside, insulated from the tank!
We took our old rusty gas tanks to the raditor shop where they would clean the inside and then apply a liquid plasticote material that would seal rust etc to the tank and thus be good for our clean fuel. Tank would be rough inside but rust was encapsulated. Worked great. Done deal!
I've cleaned more than one rusty and cruded tank. I just use sand with some bluestone mixed in. Works every time. I clean my chains the same way putting the bluestone and sand in my mixer and then putting in the chain. Works just like a sandblaster without the work and mess.
Personally I would buy a gallon or two of Evpro-rust remover soak the entire tank and the insides if the drum and you might like outcome.
its amazing what that stuff does to rust
Great stuff
Can you EvapoRust with electrolysis?
I remember the name of that red stuff G it's called red coat and you don't have to order it and set your local O'Reilly's and probably the other ones too yeah you're going to regret not coating that fuel tank maybe not it'll last a while before it rusts up but it definitely will Rust again. Like I said in the comment with your dog I use that stuff on my motorcycle tank it doesn't come off once it is on. Especially as clean as you got that tank, hats off to you for being so patient with that I know it's a pain in the ass. One thing I can tell you it's not real pricey but then again the motorcycle gas tank in comparison to that tank is a difference I think I paid $27 for a quart and it does several tanks so you would have probably needed two of those like I said it's not real pricey for the results that you get but it is what it is Matt. Stay safe stay well and as always God bless. PS Red Kote!!!
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I love your side! What I don't like is that you accept your mistakes instead of removing them and getting better!
Great how to video 👍. I've cleaned a few tanks using various methods but never electrolysis.
It’s kind of funny I’m watching this as a have a backhoe tank soaking in muratic acid lol
Imagine how many ants someone had to milk to get a gallon of the acid!
I saw Marty t do the electrolysis thing on a big drive chain. It seemed to work good for him.
I prefer the muraic acid thing. It’s no joke, but it works. I was using it once to get and get some alum piston debris from a chainsaw cylinder. I left a cap of of on my bench for a couple hours. Came back and all the tools and metal that were close had rusted over. Crazy stuff.
i love that frog/toad which jumped out from behind the left rear wheel when you mentioned imitation beer lol
Thank you Matt, that is something I will keep in mind as I have ran across that same problem on an old garden tractor. The only thing I could consider was sandblasting and that would create too many other problems.I chose not to pursue the project any further instead.
Glad to help
I hear this is where the cool people hang out
This is where everybody hangs out
Why didn’t you try Evaporust and ball bearings when you had it strapped to the cement mixer
If the tank is really nasty I use lye for electrolysis. I cleaned a tank from my 1970 Charger that had 30 year old junk gas in it and plenty of rust. Had to solder several rust holes but it has been good for 10 years now. Used a inner coating to seal it. I first used this technique in 1984 on an old ATC 90 I was given. That tank is still good today. You can use the new battery changer as long as you put a battery in parallel with your electrode- just make sure you have a circuit breaker. A pressure washer speeds up the process if you clean off loose rust after a few hours.
Andrew Camarata is a living Legend when it comes to stuff like that, thanks for the video Matt.
Yessir! The bigger the gob, the better the job, as our favorite British Columbian would say.
Phosphoric acid, the active ingredient in naval jelly. I think your tumbling attempt would have worked better with a metal-cutting tumbling medium.
Added benefit, phosphoric acid is much safer to work with and you can just dump it out onto the ground.
For the longest time when I was a kid I thought naval jelly had something to do with your belly button 🤣
LMAO @11:08 unplugging the charger standing in a puddle and promptly drops the plug into a puddle and then stands on it.. BRILLIANT!!
Next time dealing with rust try vinegar, usually three or four bottles from most dollar type store or vinegar by the gallon jug at most supermarkets. Also coating the inside of metal fuel tanks definitely a good choice.
Anyone see the frog at 0:27?!
I thought it was a mouse but it is indeed a frog.
@@petercolquhoun2086 same. I'm actually surprised i did, because it obviously jumps like a frog.
@@petercolquhoun2086 Mouse was my first thought too!
One elektrode in the metal tank!
This is what I came here to say you should’ve hung and electrode inside of the tank not touching the sides
I third this. I've done metal fuel tanks in the past and you have to fill the tank with premixed water and washing soda first. Then suspend a diode in the fill cap and attach the negative somewhere at the base. The farther away from the diode the better. It will likely overflow with schmoo so you dont really want to do this on a tank with a nice paint job on the outside.
Ill forth it line of sight
Electrolysis is line of sight. You needed to put an electrode inside tank to convert the rust inside of the tank
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That a Genius Matt Strapping the Gas tank to a tractor Wheel using Chains and Filling with nuts and bolts in it and Just driving the tractor and letting the wheel Do the Shaking and Cleaning Work and using the Concrete Mixer i will need to get a Concrete mixer Now Matt lots of ways to Clean metal and Be Creative 1:00 @Diesel Creek
I am a subscriber to you and Andrew Camarata and about 20 other UA-camr channels that I watch, regularly. I saw the one where he originally demonstrated how to clean an old, irregularly shaped fuel tank with a cloth or piece of paper towel, and compressed air.
drink a keg of beer and weld er up to fit . Food grade clean👍🍺
I watch Andrew Camarta also.
I always enjoy watching your project videos. A little hint concerning the electrolysis. IF you would have installed a metal rod through the center of the top cap opening, the inside would have come out way better. As it is, you only cleaned the outside using that method. And as for the paint gun, you have to clean them after using them so that the next time you go to use them, they work... Thumbs Up!
Memorial Day weekend 2021, eating Chili dogs and binge-watching Diesel Creek! Doesn't get any better than this.
Your biggest mistake was placing the tank into the bucket, before making turning the water into electrolyte - unlikely that much electrolysis will went on in the inside.
I bought a bunch of VERY rusty tools off a farm and I hear this is the way to go. After seeing how yours turned out I've got to try this.
I've used muratic acid to clean out a rusty marine exhaust manifold and you really need to avoid those strong fumes. They can seriously burn your lungs.
Don't worry about the paint to much. I had a painter varnish two big rural church doors and prior to varnishing he asked that all outside lights not be turned in until the next day. Everyone forgot about the high pressure sodium light though. In the morning we could have had 10 million bugs stuck to those front doors as the light was directly over those doors. I paid the paint a full second cost to redo and we taped off the breaker for that light.
Dynamite job ya did...worked out great....thanks for sharing
There is a very easy way to remember about Stalagtites and Stalagmites. Stalactites grow down -- they have to "hang on tight". Stalagmites grow upwards. They need the "might to grow upwards".
My dad made an anode out of a hunk of threaded rod and stuck it through a cap from a paint can with a nut on top to stop it from dropping through. Set that down into the filler hole on the tank. Filled tank with salty water and hooked it up. I think that helped attack the inside more because my tank was very clean inside after that
“Coral Reef of Rust”! Pure poetry.
I’m glad you mentioned the part about needing to use an old charger-important point.
Might have been better to just fill the tank with solution and dangle a sacrificial anode inside, making sure it doesn’t touch.
Great video!
I like the toad hopping out from under your ATV at 0:27 in the video. It is in the lower left and comes from behind the tire. It was like you spooked it when you put your hand on the tank. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Citric Acid usaly works well for me... Molasses too if you have the patience :-)
when using acids its best to flush them with a base sollution to neutralise the acid.
Matt Try some Lead Buckshot for loading Shotgun Shells on the inside & also some plain coarse Sand & strap tp Mixer & run a couple days, I bet that would clean it like new.
Stalactites vs stalagmites
I always remember it as Stalactites stick "tight" to the ceiling.
Love the video!!
epoxy fiberglass resin works well. pour into tank use as lil hardner as possible to still have it set up fully. seal tank. roll tank slowly in all directions will coat the entire inside.
Thank you for another great content, I learned a lot from this. Indeed, Andrew Camarata is a hero, my DIY journey started from watching his content early this year and now I've subscribed to over 100 DIY/metal work/wood work/engineering channels, including yours. My tools are tripled in numbers lol
I've done all maintenance on my car on my own since then and every repair around the house I've done it myself, saved thousands of dollars which paid for the cost of new tools many times over.
UA-cam has taught me many things as well, I love being able to repair anything and learn what I don’t know
Several gallons of Evapo-Rust will get that cleaned up like nobodys business. For all of the rusty metal work you do, I'd order a 55 gallon drum since it lasts forever. Been using it on a rusty, crusty Kubota RTV900 and the parts come out like new after a few days
The best most successful electrolysis tank i built was 50 gallon plastic barrel with a full sheet of galvanized hardware cloth wrapped around the inside perimeter of the tank and sticking out of the water a few inches on top but touching the bottom and a couple bricks on the bottom to set your piece that needs cleaning. Then hook your negative clip from the charger to the hardware cloth, then the positive to the piece and set it to 3 amps, then sprinkle the powder over the piece so it charges with energy and attaches itself to the piece. I Use Sodium bisulfate (PH Decreaser) pool cleaner that you can get from Amazon.com and it works much faster. After about 5 hours you should take the piece out and pressure wash off the loose scale then rest it in the tank and start over so the charge doesn't get insulated from the surface silt buildup. Don't let the piece you are cleaning touch the negative charge diode (wire mesh). I Clean cast iron pots and pans, and tractor engine blocks and parts for old Farmalls that i rebuild and customize.
You are a hoot!!! Your approach to all the crazy projects you tackle certainly keeps my interest. Good Luck Laddy!
At 21:15 you're talking about drying out the inside of a tank. I saw Andrew Camarata dry out the inside of a fuel tank with some shop towels and an air hose. The air pushed around the paper towels and eventually dried out the inside of the tank. It worked, try it. Can't hurt. Just have to get a hook inside to pull out the towels when done. Stay Safe and keep uploading.
I should have watched 1 more minute before commenting, you already knew about this.
That frog in bottom left at 0:27 is best.
If you need12-24 VDC you can plug in a TIG Welder set to ~5-10A, I use it like that to clean colors of stainless steel welds
I just came across this channel a few weeks ago and have quite enjoyed it, despite (perhaps because) I know practically nothing about mechanical things. I start projects I'm not experienced with or qualified to do -- and appreciate that you do the same. For example, my abandoned church is my house.
The tried and true that has always worked for me was a 50/50 mix of transmission fluid and acetone for rust, carbon buildup, paint removal...
Good job matt !! I learn something every day from your videos ☺☺
I normally cut open the tanks and harbor freight sand blast it , weld it shut then fill it with motorcycle fuel tank sealer .roll it around then pour out extra and let it dry . Works ever time
One day I mentioned a double wide mobile home for your place in the forest.You said your wife would never go for it. Look on you tube at chance's mobile home world and let her look at what they are now days. Construction is as good as a stick built house now and they are beautiful.
Faced with a similar problem, I put both pea gravel and 1" gravel in the tank. Strapped it to the side of my tractor tire. While cutting 5 acres the rotation of the gravel in the tank knocked out all the rust.
Macro machines did this with a flathead v8, it worked great. You are on the right path
Let me put in another vote for Evaporust. From all evidence, it is the easiest and safest approach. It involves a complex process of removing the iron from rust but not from steel, and then binds the iron to sulfer to keep it in solution so that it doesn't go back into the rust. Magic.
yes it works pretty well I use it frequently but for heavy rust and scale like this it would take forever if it could even cut through plus its expensive. the acid was $14 for a gallon, evapo rust is 21... and I only needed half a gallon of acid and did it in 24 hours.
Tim from Canada if you want to dry out the inside of the tank or anything you can use a leaf blower if you’re worried about. The size of your tags you can go to the hardware store and buy PVC pipe and stick that into your tank then hook up your leaf blower it will dry the inside of your day. You can use A leaf blower with the cord and leave it plugged in for as long as you want or use a battery power this way you know when the battery went out you might need to recheck it again
I think the tank rust problem will return due to the hole in the fuel cap and location of the tank being exposed to the elements. The daily outdoor temperature swings and sun exposure cause air (and moisture) to be pumped into the tank which condenses into liquid water.
I would suggest adding a separate vent line to the side of the fill pipe and route it down under the tank somewhere. Plug off the hole in the cap. Parking it inside your shop should help too.
Really enjoyed this and your other videos too, keep em coming.
I love your ingenuity and clean narrative. Too often these videographers try to see how tough they are by using all the potty mouth language. Thank you again.
Thank you!!
Try using Feed Grade Molasses 9:1 (water:molasses), it works better. It's slow, but works perfectly.
The only thing better is sand blasting.
Vinegar works very well. fill it up, put it in a warm spot and check it every 2 or 3 days. you'll end up with a lot of black stuff so afterwards jut put some gravel in there and shake it around for a bit
My instructor always told me to adjust my gun on piece of scrap metal or cardboard before painting the actually piece but still turned out good great vid
"acid dipping" would have been a thought, if only I was here to say it 3 years ago. Ah, I spoke too soon, and now you are switching to acid. You can find shops with acid dipping tanks that would make it easier. We used to do that to engine blocks with really rusty water jackets and it always worked well.
I did clean old horseshoe with baking soda solution. 12V didn't work best and I ended up using 20V battery charger but I was dealing with huge rust blob with the horseshoe inside. Good luck with your project.
What they said about line of sight on electrolysis. I never had luck using metallic items for tumbling. What I found was superior to nuts / bolts etc. was Gravel. I've had very good results tumbling with gravel.
Use some of that soda you are drinking, it's amazing what it can do!
Next time try Muriatic Acid (Pool Acid), years ago I used to clean out Inboard Boat exhuast manifolds with Muriatic Acid, and it would just eatup the encrosted rusty passsages. Marine exhuast manifolds are cooled with raw water, which is usually salty water which heavily rusts and corrodes manifolds and the risers & outlets. But the trick of using muriatic acid really cleaned them up pretty quickly. Just FYI, the fumes are intense and heavy on the chlorine gas side, so be upwind.
Look up a Dry Wash gold panning machine; they shake quite well and a dank full of small rock (gravel) will do a great scrubbing inside.
Thank you. I always appreciate your videos.
Keep up the hard work and thanks for the awesome content stay safe and take care
Great ideas and final solution. Many things get done by can do attitudes! Just a friend Ron