this is the first decent W-VHS footage I've ever seen, and I am in love... it's so weird seeing HD picture quality with the classic head-switching noise at the bottom.
holy shit i've been looking for the original w-vhs version of great america for a really long time thanks man, i uploaded the d-vhs version on my second channel but it's nice to see the original version resurface. another channel uploaded it but the channel was terminated
I like the look of this video better than more-modern fully-digital television broadcasts. BTW, you can usually tell if a particular video's original source is analog or digital, because analog video usually has a slightly green strip along the extreme left border of the screen.
Beautiful footage. I have a couple of WVHS demo tapes that I'll have to capture on my WVHS decks (or maybe just send your way -- I pretty much just use them for VHS conversion).
JVC: Makes a 1080i60 video to showcase W VHS My Internet connection: Bro why don't watch at *144p* ? It's VHS at the end ( VHS is better than 144p btw)
12:12 is a shot riding past the Hells Angels old clubhouse in manhattan, the club member is reprimanding the camera guy for taking footage of the building.
Please could you upload the 1080i to mega o gdrive? i would love to have this in the highest quality... i love all this w-vhs HD videos from the past... btw do you have recordings from sport events from the 90s? like the world cup? Thank you very much!
Montreux Jazz Festival in 1991 was already filmed on HD tape. For example Tori Amos performances in before and after her debut solo records in 1991 and 1992 are available in Blu-ray.
It was because of the tremendous cost of the equipment at the beginning. Also the quality of the D-VHS VCR from JVC was very poor quality wise that so few survive now. That seemed to become a problem from the 90s on. Too much plastic especially on the gears just like the old 8mm (Video 8 from Sony) and others just reeked of cheap and was a pain to keep running. Now the Hi-Vision MUSE LD player was incredible!!! It's build (not reliability) was exceptional and it's a shame it wasn't adopted as with time, it could have offered HD in the 90s as opposed to 2010 I believe Analog ended in the US. So high price, quality issues, and uncertain video standards doomed these incredible pieces of hardware.
It is a real shame that D-VHS was not advertized as much as S-VHS during their release. I am a VHS collector and enthusiast who thought i knew everything about VHS untill i stumbled across the elusive year 2004 released HD Pro variant of the D-VHS format. I was able to complete a 3 piece setup that records 5 digit password protected 1080i 25Mbps HD Pro video. The HD Pro format uses D-VHS videotapes and goes a step beyond the comon 28.2Mbps HS High Standard D-VHS mode. It records in the 4:2:2 chroma space, can be password protected and was used by the MGM/Universal motion picture and The WB broadcast TV industry for their dailies and film screeners due to its piracy and theft proof feature. It used inexpensive $11 D-VHS videotapes which were very easy to aquire compared to prosumer Digibeta, D9, Digital-S or HDV videotapes. The price for this setup was a bit under $38,000 and required a signed contract between JVC. I have hours worth of content regarding the rare mostly unknown password protected HD Pro format on my video page. Fun stuff.
@@deathstrike Well whatever you said is true, but even if w-VHS/d-VHS was able to overcome this. It wouldn't survive and hold against streaming and blu-ray disc today, speaking of blu-ray, I don't think D-VHS would win against BD today. I mean I assume analog HD like D-VHS are interlaced, am I correct? Yeah, interlaced content wouldn't survive on current HDTV and now because of ATSC 3.0 aka Nextgen TV, I don't think any interlaced material including this video would fare well today. But overall, it's nice to know HD material despite being analog do exist back then, now at least we know how the road to HDTV got there, and how we ended up having HDTV (and now 4K UHD and soon 8K UHD) today. But it's nice to have a piece of analog HD material/content as a piece of history. I'm glad it's on UA-cam. Now historian in the future can explain how HDTV evolved.
What deinterlacing filter was used? I've see some mice teeth artifacts. I recomend use QTGMC codec if you don't used. Or use slower QTGMC deinterlacing processing, because when much resolution is bigger, needs more accuracy in QTGMC. Congratulations, I've never seen before a so low noise image from W-VHS in UA-cam, in real word I've never seen a W-VHS for comparision, but the image is very clean.
I saw this demo about 20 years ago, but I think it was on a D-VHS machine, not W-VHS, but I'm not certain. Would this have been released on DVHS here in the U.S.? The woman at 11:29 still looks as stunning now as she did when I originally saw this many years ago.
This information is nice. I have bought 3 units of HR-W5 and the effection is not so good as I expected. Some people told me that the HR-W1 effect will be definitely much better than W5. Then I bought 2 units HR-W1 (broken ones). Right now they are on process of repairing. Hope I can fix them. Previously I wanted to buy the W-VHS tape "Great Amercia". but price too much high at that time.
This is from an HR-W1. It looked pretty good when I got it, but I started to get pretty bad blue "comets" after a bit of ownership. After a couple repairs that made little/no difference, I recapped the head pre-amp board (the board which the ribbon cable from the heads connect to) and it seemed to eliminate the issue. Perhaps that might be the issue with your W5? Also, the head condition seems to affect HD quality greatly. You'll get lots of dropouts after playing some lower-quality standard VHS tapes. Finally, to be fair, UA-cam's compression is hiding some of the mosquito noise pretty well...
@@ReelyInteresting I'm using Digital S tapes with it, that could be the issue. but I suspect my unit has bad heads and I'm not sure where you'd get replacements. The HR-W1 is a lucky find, those are the rarest, can't even see them on yahoo actions. They typically were the best of the format. Anyway, are you on any forums, facebook or have an email?
@@ReelyInteresting Wait, Is the third variant you mentioned the Sony Action Arena 2 (Trinitron LaserDisc demo disc)? There's another variant of the same NYC scene out there.
Probably either an Sony HDC-300 (Saticon tube-based) or an HDC-500 (CCD-based) HD camera, the first HD-capable cameras (as well as the very first, IINM, the HDC-100) commercially available.
@@CrashCarson14 None, it's analog. The only discrete resolution is the 1030i vertical resolution, everything else is just analog signal resolution of whatever analog bandwidth it uses can display within the level of quality of the electronics.
@@NozomuYume what does that mean? At what point would the digital capture be “maxed out” at? Are you saying you could capture in even 8k digitally and still get more detail?
@@CrashCarson14 You'll never get more vertical detail since that's discrete in the image. You will get horizontal detail up until you greatly exceed the effective resolution of the analog video chain (assuming it was baseband the whole way), which basically means that at the limits higher frequency data will lose SNR until it drops through the noise floor. Once you reach that limit, you have "enough" digital resolution fully capture the source data. There's no hard cutoff though, as there's a fuzzy area where there's still image data -- just not as precise. If you're using composite video it gets even more complicated due to interference from the chroma signal and the trickery involved in separating it (the best ones use interframe data). It's even trickier with WVHS since it's a MUSE signal, which is interframe by its very nature. The best way to digitally capture these sorts of signals is to not think of it as a digital signal in the 1920x1080x24 bit sense, but as one continuous waveform -- like you're capturing a digital audio file. You increase frequency and bit depth of your capture until when you zoom in you stop seeing more data captured and just see background noise in the signal. That's how you know your capture was "perfect". Then you can apply the processing to the waveform needed to decode it into a usable digital image. In the past, all capture cards cheated and used analog circuitry for much of the decoding (and most still do), but new data sampling devices can capture the raw waveforms (be prepared for gbit/sec data streams) accurately enough to do the decoding entirely in software. This lets you better restore stuff like tape dropouts, use custom comb filters, do time base correction, etc. as finely as you can for the best restoration possible.
The existence of analog HD has always been so strange to me.
It existed since the 70s in experimental formats.
Strange, yet satisfying!
Motion picture film is analog HD
@@DripDripDrip69 its not analog
this is the first decent W-VHS footage I've ever seen, and I am in love... it's so weird seeing HD picture quality with the classic head-switching noise at the bottom.
holy shit i've been looking for the original w-vhs version of great america for a really long time thanks man, i uploaded the d-vhs version on my second channel but it's nice to see the original version resurface. another channel uploaded it but the channel was terminated
Man I just watched it. It's great!!!! Thank you for the contribution!
Thanks for sharing. Amazing Footage, Jaw dropped to the floor for that Quality
The music combined with the video makes a really peaceful vibe. i love it!
I like the look of this video better than more-modern fully-digital television broadcasts.
BTW, you can usually tell if a particular video's original source is analog or digital, because analog video usually has a slightly green strip along the extreme left border of the screen.
Also often a unique softness to the look as well
interesting watching a 1080i video on COMPRESSED UA-cam 1080p
Most people in the video probably don't even know there being filmed in hd
Beautiful footage. I have a couple of WVHS demo tapes that I'll have to capture on my WVHS decks (or maybe just send your way -- I pretty much just use them for VHS conversion).
WVHS tapes are physically the same like usual VHS?
@@Afterek No.
JVC: Makes a 1080i60 video to showcase W VHS
My Internet connection: Bro why don't watch at *144p* ? It's VHS at the end ( VHS is better than 144p btw)
I didn't know there was an extended version of this!
13:31 That chipmunk is definitely dead now.
another great upload, you are really enhancing my life with this content, thank you
MUSE圧縮でとても劣化したソースが足かせだったんです。(-_-#)
あと潜在的に抱えていたノイズ問題など…
なのでこのようにクリアなベースバンドのソースは貴重でした。
12:12 is a shot riding past the Hells Angels old clubhouse in manhattan, the club member is reprimanding the camera guy for taking footage of the building.
"The SS means, er, Super Smart! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
Please could you upload the 1080i to mega o gdrive? i would love to have this in the highest quality... i love all this w-vhs HD videos from the past... btw do you have recordings from sport events from the 90s? like the world cup? Thank you very much!
Montreux Jazz Festival in 1991 was already filmed on HD tape. For example Tori Amos performances in before and after her debut solo records in 1991 and 1992 are available in Blu-ray.
What makes them even more crazy is that they were filmed in digital hd
Uncompressed too
This and d-vhs were never fully utilized
It was because of the tremendous cost of the equipment at the beginning. Also the quality of the D-VHS VCR from JVC was very poor quality wise that so few survive now. That seemed to become a problem from the 90s on.
Too much plastic especially on the gears just like the old 8mm (Video 8 from Sony) and others just reeked of cheap and was a pain to keep running.
Now the Hi-Vision MUSE LD player was incredible!!! It's build (not reliability) was exceptional and it's a shame it wasn't adopted as with time, it could have offered HD in the 90s as opposed to 2010 I believe Analog ended in the US.
So high price, quality issues, and uncertain video standards doomed these incredible pieces of hardware.
It is a real shame that D-VHS was not advertized as much as S-VHS during their release. I am a VHS collector and enthusiast who thought i knew everything about VHS untill i stumbled across the elusive year 2004 released HD Pro variant of the D-VHS format.
I was able to complete a 3 piece setup that records 5 digit password protected 1080i 25Mbps HD Pro video. The HD Pro format uses D-VHS videotapes and goes a step beyond the comon 28.2Mbps HS High Standard D-VHS mode. It records in the 4:2:2 chroma space, can be password protected and was used by the MGM/Universal motion picture and The WB broadcast TV industry for their dailies and film screeners due to its piracy and theft proof feature.
It used inexpensive $11 D-VHS videotapes which were very easy to aquire compared to prosumer Digibeta, D9, Digital-S or HDV videotapes.
The price for this setup was a bit under $38,000 and required a signed contract between JVC. I have hours worth of content regarding the rare mostly unknown password protected HD Pro format on my video page. Fun stuff.
@@deathstrike Well whatever you said is true, but even if w-VHS/d-VHS was able to overcome this. It wouldn't survive and hold against streaming and blu-ray disc today, speaking of blu-ray, I don't think D-VHS would win against BD today. I mean I assume analog HD like D-VHS are interlaced, am I correct? Yeah, interlaced content wouldn't survive on current HDTV and now because of ATSC 3.0 aka Nextgen TV, I don't think any interlaced material including this video would fare well today.
But overall, it's nice to know HD material despite being analog do exist back then, now at least we know how the road to HDTV got there, and how we ended up having HDTV (and now 4K UHD and soon 8K UHD) today. But it's nice to have a piece of analog HD material/content as a piece of history. I'm glad it's on UA-cam. Now historian in the future can explain how HDTV evolved.
What deinterlacing filter was used? I've see some mice teeth artifacts. I recomend use QTGMC codec if you don't used. Or use slower QTGMC deinterlacing processing, because when much resolution is bigger, needs more accuracy in QTGMC.
Congratulations, I've never seen before a so low noise image from W-VHS in UA-cam, in real word I've never seen a W-VHS for comparision, but the image is very clean.
I saw this demo about 20 years ago, but I think it was on a D-VHS machine, not W-VHS, but I'm not certain. Would this have been released on DVHS here in the U.S.?
The woman at 11:29 still looks as stunning now as she did when I originally saw this many years ago.
1035i 👏👏👏
11:31 Bro got caught looking in 1993 W-VHS HDTV 1080i
Ooo, they prob had a Sony HDVS (cineAlta) recorder in that helicopter right? 1inch tape Reel2Reel
What would generation loss look on one of these
This information is nice. I have bought 3 units of HR-W5 and the effection is not so good as I expected. Some people told me that the HR-W1 effect will be definitely much better than W5. Then I bought 2 units HR-W1 (broken ones). Right now they are on process of repairing. Hope I can fix them. Previously I wanted to buy the W-VHS tape "Great Amercia". but price too much high at that time.
A glimps of American small towns when they were still vibrant and prosperous communities
Widescreen High Definition from the early 1990s
Wow! Why does your machine have such low noise? Which model are you using? I'm using an SR-W5U and it has heaps of noise
This is from an HR-W1. It looked pretty good when I got it, but I started to get pretty bad blue "comets" after a bit of ownership. After a couple repairs that made little/no difference, I recapped the head pre-amp board (the board which the ribbon cable from the heads connect to) and it seemed to eliminate the issue. Perhaps that might be the issue with your W5? Also, the head condition seems to affect HD quality greatly. You'll get lots of dropouts after playing some lower-quality standard VHS tapes. Finally, to be fair, UA-cam's compression is hiding some of the mosquito noise pretty well...
@@ReelyInteresting I'm using Digital S tapes with it, that could be the issue. but I suspect my unit has bad heads and I'm not sure where you'd get replacements. The HR-W1 is a lucky find, those are the rarest, can't even see them on yahoo actions. They typically were the best of the format. Anyway, are you on any forums, facebook or have an email?
@@TVperson1 Feel free to follow me on Instagram (@LikeReely) or Facebook (ReelyInteresting)!
Love to see more of it!
Wow! That looks very good! Is it possible to get the recording uncompressed? I would like to watch it on my HD-CRT
so my parents then couldn't tell if this was actual hi res or not i take
Do you have the raw file?
Great, good acquisition, thanks!
12:21 Beavis and Butthead cameo appearance as a t-shirt.
Reminds me of Koyaanisqatsi but in HD video.
The song at 10:34 is a cover of "Living for the City" by Stevie Wonder!
12:14 Uh, is that what I think it is on that dude's sweatshirt?
Seems like it. W-VHS was used in Japan. I imagine it's probably less likely they'd recognize something like that than a Westerner.
@@gloomyblackfur399 Yeah, if this was produced by a Japanese crew, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody was like "WHOA WHOA WHOA edit that fool out"
💀
Man, I wish they made W-VHS camcorders
The New York one was later recycled with D-VHS test footage.
Wheres Walter White?
I would love to know what camera and lenses were used to produce this
Could you upload more if these tapes?..
W-VHSはフルハイビジョンを記録再生はできなかった、メタルテープを使ってもミユーズハイビジョンの帯域ですらカバーできなかったのです、それでも画質ハはイビジョンの綺麗さはあったと思う。
Different variant found: ua-cam.com/video/jf7F8TsQZM0/v-deo.html
There is even a third variant yet to go up! 😉
@@ReelyInteresting Do you have another variant available?
@@ReelyInteresting Wait, Is the third variant you mentioned the Sony Action Arena 2 (Trinitron LaserDisc demo disc)? There's another variant of the same NYC scene out there.
@12:14 a mighty sus individual
What sort of camera do you think they used to shoot this?
Probably either an Sony HDC-300 (Saticon tube-based) or an HDC-500 (CCD-based) HD camera, the first HD-capable cameras (as well as the very first, IINM, the HDC-100) commercially available.
If you analyzed this data today what kind of bit rate, resolution, frame rate, and color bit depth would you get?
@@CrashCarson14 None, it's analog. The only discrete resolution is the 1030i vertical resolution, everything else is just analog signal resolution of whatever analog bandwidth it uses can display within the level of quality of the electronics.
@@NozomuYume what does that mean? At what point would the digital capture be “maxed out” at? Are you saying you could capture in even 8k digitally and still get more detail?
@@CrashCarson14 You'll never get more vertical detail since that's discrete in the image. You will get horizontal detail up until you greatly exceed the effective resolution of the analog video chain (assuming it was baseband the whole way), which basically means that at the limits higher frequency data will lose SNR until it drops through the noise floor. Once you reach that limit, you have "enough" digital resolution fully capture the source data. There's no hard cutoff though, as there's a fuzzy area where there's still image data -- just not as precise.
If you're using composite video it gets even more complicated due to interference from the chroma signal and the trickery involved in separating it (the best ones use interframe data). It's even trickier with WVHS since it's a MUSE signal, which is interframe by its very nature.
The best way to digitally capture these sorts of signals is to not think of it as a digital signal in the 1920x1080x24 bit sense, but as one continuous waveform -- like you're capturing a digital audio file. You increase frequency and bit depth of your capture until when you zoom in you stop seeing more data captured and just see background noise in the signal. That's how you know your capture was "perfect". Then you can apply the processing to the waveform needed to decode it into a usable digital image.
In the past, all capture cards cheated and used analog circuitry for much of the decoding (and most still do), but new data sampling devices can capture the raw waveforms (be prepared for gbit/sec data streams) accurately enough to do the decoding entirely in software. This lets you better restore stuff like tape dropouts, use custom comb filters, do time base correction, etc. as finely as you can for the best restoration possible.
11:29
Qtgmc?
Sony HDVS HDC-500
12:50
10:36 ahh its here where the dvhs nyc demo comes from thats why its from 1993