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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2016
- Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Karen Straughan aka Girl Writes What about being a female Men's Rights Activist, feminism, the difference between suffragists and suffragettes, and more. UA-cam week features 5 creators from all over the world using UA-cam to speak their minds and practice free speech.
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Excellent guest Dave. Karen does her homework and is well spoken. She represents a lot of voices that would otherwise be silenced simply because a man is saying what she says.
She speaks for A LOT of women too. Most women have men in their lives they love want to see given a fair shake and the point about most women having jobs instead of careers is very on point. A lot of us don't measure our success in life by how high up the corporate ladder we climb but by what we contribute to lives of the people we care about. This is why many of us choose jobs over careers and there will always be a significant number of women who choose to be full time mommies durning their prime earning years.
Well said.
Thanks for watching.
What about the voices of Saudi women who are smothered behind the veil? Who speaks for them?
Until Saudi's decide to embrace more western values, like the concept of property rights, and who owns their own body, and the separation of church from state, there can be little progress to help any of them, either the men or the women, and particularly the children.
Man, comparing this to the TYT interview... it's like night and day. Genk should be embarrassed as fuck!
RIGHT!?
OF COOOOURSE!!
TYT forever
TYT forever
ClipOnSunglasses CAN I GET A THANK YOU? CAN I GET A THANK YOU TO FEMINISM FOR GETTING YOU THE RIGHT TO VOTE OR YOU CAN MAKE A HAM SANDWHICH
As an atheist Arab I totally agree with her on how feminists shouldn't interfere in our business, and I got to say, I didn't expect a western to know about the breastfeeding status in Islam, very well-informed person, I'm impressed, thank you @The_Rubin_Report
That's said, I'm of course 100% against misogony in the Arab world, and that doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore the aspects of misandry that happens in our society as well
My dad left his first wife "not my mother" because she was horrifically abusive, he left her on the night that she threatened to cut him up with scissors. The court gave custody to her. Despite being a violent psychopath she got full custody of my half brother and sister. She ruined their lives with her shitty parenting. Both of them struggle with drug abuse, mental health issues, relationship problems and poverty. All thanks to the courts favouring the mother.
🙏 shame. Best of luck to them.
@oso polar why not blame both? She's an adult who's responsible for her actions. I can get being sympathetic if she had a rough childhood, but there's no excuse for fucking up the most important job any parent has.
My mother abused me throughout , while her position as a mother was held sacrosanct by all around her.
@HandyMan101 No guarantees, but you might consider listening to E Michael Jones. Stay safe. You are sacred. Avoid people who don't know that. But don't rule out the possibility that someone someday might know that truth. Peace!
@Groth 1175 - I feel your pain as I was also divorce g raped as my X found that a convenient diversion to avoid facing up to her toxic child hood! As you imply the problem is that the "superior idiots" ( by which I mean while they may have a "higher" education the socio/legal system contains FAR too many with a poor grasp of reality - & are only too ready to buy into the false ideologies of the femiNAZIS). Much of that is due to the simple fact that while the conventional education system might prepare you for a job it is NO preparation for coping with a species where 90% are dysfunctional . A simple fact so few are aware of is that we are born "hard wired" to be sociable & democratic but that gets screwed up by abusive parenting! For those who want to know more an excellent place to start is THE child psychologist ALICE MILLER - reading her changed my life - for the better :)
Karen is great. Really beautiful too. As a woman, I find her goal of women being equal to men in terms of not only rights, but also in terms of responsibility to be empowering. We should be equal, not special. Equal in all respects. Thanks Karen. Strong women should lead the charge of real equality, not special treatment.
I'm less sure about "equality" as a goal.
Karen said, we naturally worry more about the welfare of people that seem capable of having babies.
So, we have special rules to protect women.
To make men equal in this way is probably doomed to fail and maybe that's for the best.
Think about it:
Trying to make men absolutely equal in all laws and rules and such,
Doing away completely with "ladies first" and "women and children first" in the culture,
Pretending that men have the same value as women,
Regardless of what ways they do or don't do,
In terms of finding some way to make themselves valuable to others,
Making mere sperms-men just as men as valuable as womb-men,
Equally valuing men, just for existing,
As is done with people who seem to have wombs and ova,
That kind of men's-rights-activism that asks for equality in terms of reproductive rights and alimony and so on.
Doing away with unconscious inborn primate brain gynocentrism,
In the name of "equality" that most men don't even want,
That all seems doomed to failure to me.
Instead, we should find other, reformist ways to just curb the cases abuses of female power,
To reduce the chances and instances of gross injustices that Karen talks about
Like Michael Pierson and Gregory Allan Elliot and so on and so forth
To make divorce rules and family courts less grossly abusive of men
And so on.
Not to strive for equality per se.
Just to alleviate the situation and treat men humanely.
And change any rules to foster good gender relations that may favor men at times and not be totally equal.
Men may be lesser human beings, but are still human beings, so be a men's rights activist.
But I say, be a humanist first, not necessarily an egalitarian.
We can't and shouldn't strive for true equality. What we want is equality of opportunity. Everyone regardless of race, gender, or creed should have the same opportunity to decide, for example, "I want to be a doctor" and then work towards that goal. Where progressive politics goes off the rails is that it demands equality of outcome, and ascribes any failure to achieve that goal to bigotry. If less women are going into STEM fields then men despite having the same choice to do so, it must be because STEM is misogynistic and PATRIARCHY OMG!, it can't be because women are, on average, less interested in those subjects than men. If women in a particular job field make less on average than men, it must be misogyny, it can't be that women tend to take a few years off of work in the middle of their careers to have children and are therefore competing against men with more job experience. Nope, sexism and misogyny, it's the only explanation. All of this makes perfect sense when you explore the relationship between modern progressivism and Marxist theory, it's actually really simple then. They're Marxists, so they believe all people must be absolutely equal in all respects or the system is broken.
Chris Whinery Yes that's true about feminism. But she talks about starting out with non-feminism and then moving on to anti-feminism, which is what you were doing, but then arriving at Men's Rights Advocacy, how much "equality" is being advocated, when the laws and culture favor women, should we be asking for equality for men, or just protection from the fact that they're not equal, in terms of value to others, inherently important in the same way, just by existing, as people with wombs are, without finding some other way to contribute to make themselves valuable, so there's like this potential there for abuse of power like in these cases that she talks about such as what Lucy DeCouteur and the rest doing what they did to Jian Gameshi and getting away with it without going to jail, or the woman who shot her husband and got away with it, stuff like that that is just abuse of female power.
Female superiority is a good thing but generally. I'm not a gender egalitarian, but only when it is acknowledged can people like police and courts and such be on the lookout for abuses of that power and do something to stop things like Duke LaCrosse and Mattress Girl's victimizing that man. So in this way we advocate for men's rights effectively not the egalitarian way trying to make us equal when we're not will cause problems just like your example of Marxism.
I think equality under the law, in employment and opportunity, that is, social equality should be a goal worth striving for. My mother being an engineer certainly empowered me into going into a field that was and is male dominated. The importance of role models should not be understated. But the final end goal should not never be the silliness of group equality, but individual equality in terms of rights, treatment and responsibility. Karen has found her life's work in defending those she terms underdogs, going against the imposed "norms" of her biological sex and trying to swing the pendulum back. I find that admirable because she is acting as an individual, not as a member of a predetermined group. It is strange that I say that of a member of the identity politics crowd, a movement that 'I personally abhor, but nevertheless, a strong individual standing up for what she believes right is admirable.
Mariana Masic Okyeah you're right about such things as not being passed over for an engineering job because someone prejudges you can't because you're female, or other such things, but right now there are laws that specifically treat people differently based on sex. When you say equality under the law, wait, hangon, there are laws that aren't gender neutral that you might not want to be against if we think them through in a particular way.
For example, I'm not going to use a weighty, serious example. I'm going to choose something trivial because I just want to point out that there are such laws, that's all. I could point out more serious examples but that'd be distracting from my point. I'm just saying this so you won't take it as not important.
Just take for exaple taking off your shirt in public. There are probably places where reasonable people would like to be able to insist that women keep their shirts on whereas it's ok if men don't. A strict gender egalitarian would be against such laws on principle. Most people would look at such a gender egalitarian position as extreme and dogmatic.
I can think of other examples but will stop there.
Karen is the closest thing to a superhero I can imagine in our society.
She was bitten by the radioactive virtue.
I was gonna say the same thing about the superhero comparison, but you automatically trumped me with that "bitten by radioactive virtue" thing, lol.
I was really expecting to hate this interview, but as usual Dave does a good job interviewing his guest and allowing them to speak their mind without trying to ask two-faced bullshit questions. Keep up the good work, Dave.
Thanks Charlie!
What were you expecting?
... to hate it?
You should have asked questions regarding her bullshit. The Quran absolutely favors men over women. Saudi men can walk all over their wives and daughters and sisters and if a woman dares raise a finger to protest, she will be smothered. So unbelievably disappointed Dave. This is a set back from reality.
They didn't talk about Quran at all. Must everybody raise only the points you want?
I grew up with an SJW family. Karen's videos kept me sane durian my teenage years. God bless her.
My absolute favorite youtuber hands down. Smarter than most academics with a blue collar backbone, love Karen a whole bunch.
I really appreciate her videos greatly. She has been a big voice of reason these past years it seems.
There is no person on the internet that has their head screwed on straighter than Karen Straughan. She's the appex of reason in all modern debates surrounding sex equality.
Totally agree with your excellent comment.
She used a lot of loaded language and substantiated very few of her claims.
One source is not enough in social science.
Not saying there isn't anything to the case she puts forward. But shes not a good and rational speaker.
Check out her youtube channel and there you will see that she does a huge abount of research.
She was being interviewed. it wasn't a debate
Stephen Catton
Fair enough
She almost has that Sam Harris "meditation and psychedelics broke my brain so now i sound like Yoda" thing going on.
I worked in Afghanistan for a year as a cultural researcher, and had over 6 months of culture, language, and history training before that.
And, she's right. When the Taliban forbid women from going out either alone or with other women, they put massive pressure on the men and boys in families. The traditional division of labor based on tribal and regional traditions got skewed towards placing more of the family units survival onto men and boys.
That's not to say that women lived charmed lives before, but in Afghanistan few people do. It's hard living by any standard. Not letting women go out to do the day's shipping in the bazaar alone is a hardship to a family without refrigeration went the husband is out all day busting his ass in a field or other labor.
It also made women more insecure. A common problem is having to deal with the death or injury of men.
+1
Exactly. And let's not forget cases like the following:
• A man has been stoned to death in Iran for adultery but the woman involved in the case repented, the judiciary said, suggesting her life was spared.
Source: www.rferl.org/content/Man_Stoned_To_Death_In_Iran_For_Adultery/1621909.html
• Islamic militants stone man to death for adultery in Somalia as villagers are forced to watch.
Source: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235763/Pictured-Islamic-militants-stone-man-death-adultery-Somalia-villagers-forced-watch.html
• Evil ISIS thugs stone man to death for adultery in sickening attack.
Source: www.express.co.uk/news/world/610574/ISIS-stone-man-to-death-for-adultery-sickening-attack
• Chilling pictures show ISIS militants savagely stoning four married men to death for 'committing adultery' in Iraq.
Source: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3645062/Chilling-pictures-ISIS-militants-savagely-stoning-four-married-men-death-committing-adultery-Iraq.html
@ jad yazbeck - Neither does chastising people without providing a suggested course of action. Here's my suggested course of action: hit us with some empirical evidence versus telling people that they're doing something wrong without providing a solution.
For my part, I took a great deal of insight from both Karen's interview and the original poster Rick Holden's comment.
Interesting to watch Karen Straughan attempt to disencumber Dave Rubin of his own feminist brainwashing. Rubin is apparently unfamiliar with the latest trend in women's studies know as intersectionality. Originally a concept in mathematics, intersectionality is now a "theory" of disadvantage as a function of race, class, sexuality, gender, etc. It also allows non-white, non-western feminists to tell white/western feminists to buzz off as in, "We will wear our hijab, niqab, and burkas if we want to!!" And thus the reason western feminists currently shy away from older, ethnocentric habits of evangelizing in non-western societies.
Do you know bacha bazi
THIS is a beautiful woman. THIS is a real woman.
I don't mean to accuse you of wrong-speak, but I'd very much appreciate it if we could all stop talking about real women and real men. I don't think we want gender attached to virtues. I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider that.
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this is what I was about to say, only he is waaay more polite
Beautiful? Sure. Real? No need for that nonsense. Feminist women are real women, too. Repugnant, man-hating, statistically-scientifically-economically-historically-illiterate women? Yes, but still real.
REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES, SHITLORD
Adam Murphy
I'll be "real" too then. How can you think that men arent attracted to "that". What I hope you mean is *you* arent attracted to this person.
Also the social constructs "masculine" and "feminine" probably came long after the roles of men and women manifested. Men had certain attributes, so we called these attributes masculine, we didnt randomly asign attributes and people were expected to follow them.
Finally, getting back to the start, A lot of men are attracted to more masculine women and a lot of women are attracted more feminine men. I'm just being realistic here, remember.
12:00 Let's dispel with this fiction that domestic violence lawyers don't know what they're doing; they know exactly what they're doing!
It's deplorable!
Notion! not fiction!
Gosh, get it right.
InTheMannerOfTheGrover Didn't he say both? He said it so many times, it's hard to keep track
***** F
Let's dispel with this fiction that domestic violence lawyers don't know what they're doing; they know exactly what they're doing!
Dave...Warren Farrell was a prominent feminist (working with Gloria Steinem afaik), was demonized for criticizing the movement, has written several interesting books about men and boys, and one of the most softspoken people you'd care to meet.
Someone who knows his stuff; good potential guest.
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Also its worth checking the video of the Warren Farrell protest at the university to see the ugly side of third wave feminists.
Warren Farrell is a disgusting human being.
@@TheTruthVScompliance pretty sure when you tried to look at Warren you accidentally looked in the mirror instead, and that's the result, honey.
I think Karen is excellent; always have done, since first seeing her speak. She is articulate, logical, and honest.
Karen is the best MRA i know of. I wish the movement could raise enough money to pay her to be a full time spokesman for the cause. Let her go speak to politicians and hopefully change some laws in the US and Canada. I wish she was in the studio with you for a face to face meeting. One of the best guests you have ever had on. I wish you would consider having Paul Elam on to discuss his opinions for a male MRA point of view. Keep up the great work!!!!!!!
boy i wish you had another hour of Karen Straughan!
I could have listened to this conversation for hours, honestly. Karen is awesome, my enthusiasm was waning a bit after the guests for the last couple of weeks but this one brought it all back.
Could have listened to her for at least 3 hours there
Then you can search for her talks at conferences, Universities or her own videos. Where she is also invited to different kinds of talks that doesn't have to do with feminism or history of gender dynamics and such, but about liberalism, PC-culture and more. Would recommend it all.
Damn it sounds like an advertisement for her when I read it myself..... ^o^
Karen Straughan is such a beautiful human being ❤
I am so glad my mother never told me that I can't hit a girl, She told me that if I am hit I can hit back(regardless of sex). It is about defending yourself against from harm.
No. It´s about men having a physical advantage over women. A man beating a woman is not the same vice versa. Men should never get physical with women.
I weigh 174 lb. are you saying that if i am attacked by a woman that weighs more than I do, or has a weapon. I have to sit there and take it... FUCK that I will not allow ANYONE to assault me.
"indoctrinated" why am I not surprised. Why allow anyone to think for themselves when we can force our thoughts onto others.
The only time it is justified to hit someone is in defense of yourself.
Of course you go to an Ad Hominem at the end.
+Maceta so it's his problem for being a "skinny prick", but also his problem that the person attacking him is a woman? Why is everything the man's responsibility? You're basically saying that women do not have to be ethical or responsible for their own actions.
In most cases a 6 foot tall 180-200 pound sack of testosterone won't need to "defend himself" from a 5'4 120-140 girl. Let alone beat her in self defense. Are most cases of male domestic violence an act of self defense against a woman considerably larger?
*It's no wonder so many men are walking away. I hope more women speak up and stand up for men's rights.*
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I put off watching this at first because of the MRA title. I thought it was going to be another echo chamber of talking about "SJWs" and regressives, and all these other new buzzwords. Instead, this was a really great interview, Dave. I learned a lot from her. She seems really smart. Didn't know she was interviewed by Cenk either.
No, she was disingenuous and a clown when it came to Islam.
I recommend you go on a trip down memory lane on her YT channel and look at her old videos :) they're very good. Also the talks she's done at various conferences.
Hopefully history will one day acknowledge the pioneering work Karen has done.
Karen Straughan -- amazing mind; always grounded in empirical evidence and cautious use of science; capable of self-criticism; congenitally fair-minded. Thanks, Dave Rubin, for the interview!
I love Karen Straughan... I dont agree with her on everything, but she is one of the most consistently honest and fair minded people ive ever come across.
Dave I really do enjoy your show. You have interesting people with diverse leanings and you give them a chance to speak their mind without judgment or interruption. Keep up the good work!
I'll second this. Rubin is on fire lately too! Thank you so much Mr. Rubin for being fair and balanced, you have such integrity not to give up on real journalism!
Carl Sagan disabused me of my irrational belief in religion and planted the seed of a skeptical worldview in me in my teens.
Richard Dawkins disabused me of my irrational belief in god entirely shortly thereafter.
And finally, more recently, Karen Straughan disabused me of my lingering irrational and bigoted feminist beliefs entirely and showed me what the words sexism and equality actually *should* mean.
Thank you Karen.
is it correct to use the word "disabused" in these situations? each of these ideologies affected your decisions in life, but do you believe they were honestly that harmful?
you must recognize that they are still part of your ever-evolving world view, correct?
All false beliefs are harmful. To be deluded about the nature of the reality we exist in is inherently harmful.
then is it absolutely vain for people to do good things for the wrong reasons?
is it vain for religious people to uphold morality if there is no god?
I would say no.
until we know everything (I mean literally everything about the entire universe), then our current world view is flawed and technically equal to that of delusion. the only thing that makes it a good view is its ability to develop as one encounters more truth. :)
i would also like to point out that all book burnings in history have been motivated by the idea that false ideas are harmful. there's no high ground there.
Well that's a false equivalence. Banning books is an entirely different concept from not believing what that book says.
I know a battered man who managed to get sole custody for his daughter when she was a toddler because obviously the mother was abusive (imagine how bad for authorities to give a child to a man). This girl had a happy beautiful life even got a lovely a new step mother. She is now a mother herself who is so excellent at mothering she has made a career of childcare (cycle broken right there). Imagine if the default "give the kids to the mother" was applied to this family? This is why lawyers and childcare workers should be left to weigh up hard evidence and nothing else; especially any feminist theory.
Once upon a time I would have called her a feminist, just by how she talks and acts, mostly about equality and being fair. Feminists I thought cared just as much when things were unequal for men as they expected men to care when things were unequal for women.
Great interview. Can't wait for the next one.
This is the only karen I respect
First time hearing about Karen, I like her a lot! I may disagree with some of what she said but she seems quite honest and well spoken, nice guest, I'll have to check some of her material out!
I can never understand a man going through a nasty divorce and then remarrying? WHY. Are they suckers for punishment?
It just beggars belief.
Glad to see an intelligent women who is seeing things clearly and fighting for real equality. Thanks Karen Straughan.
Thank you Dave Rubin. This was a very good interview done about Karen, for once.
Thank you, Dave! Karen is my heroin, pun intended. I started watching her 5 years ago before all this craziness hit the mainstream, or even the subculture. She is the pre-Milo Milo, a critic beyond reproach with a brilliant, if twisted, mind. Great get, Dave!
@Quazi Roberts a woman is a heroine a female hero and heroin is a drug it was not so much a pun but a play on words
I was waiting for her to say that she would put some buffalo meat in the sandwich.
Savage!
That's just sick, i can't condone cannibalism.
TentaclePentacle If you are what you eat, and you eat a vegetarian, does that make you a vegetarian?
Couple minutes in, immediately subscribing to her. She is extremely well-spoken and logical, and she's a great guest.
A woman after my own heart. I grew up with a narcissistic personality disorder mother, sister and have always been aware of the power, manipulation and games so many women play but I am thankful for women like Karen who help me see women in a much better light, realizing that many are sane, logical and amazing like her.
Dave Rubin should start a Big Brown Buffalo hunter club. Anyone that goes on Cenk's show and survives should get a buffalo hide to wear on the Rubin Report.
Karen & Sam Harris for starters
I'd like to hear from all 80 people that downvoted this video.
What's your reasons? What's your argument? Seriously.
It would indeed be interesting.
Jamzy Your comment got removed as spam on my end....what the fuck?
Jamzy said " -They dislike MRA's- "
Ocean Redux It happens all the time on the young turks too. I think some of their fans are here.
They dislike MRA's.
The Great Karen Straughan.
One of the best and most influential guests you could have had on the relations between the sexes.
Beautiful woman, she is an awesome person.
Karen is the best asset the MRAs ever had.
That's odd, because she was the person that made me think MRAs can be just as crazy as neoFems.
Karen is great! I'm a new fan!
Karen Straughan is the best!
Wow. Done the video now and this woman is about as objective and pragmatic as it gets. She's wonderful. I wish more people would take her rational approaches to things. The fact she's Canadian is just bonus fries.
This is so much better than tyt... And am saying this as a tyt fan and viewer of 10 years........ Love you Dave
I see this comment copy pasted under each of Daves videos...
didnt copy paste anyone.. guess am not alone? i cant stand watching tyt anymore with their cringy shit.. cenk got full of himself "we are #1!!!" and doing all sort of shit..
I see this sentence
"This is so much better than tyt..."
under each of his videos when I actually read the comments. Lead me to belief that this is some kind of new meme. Or old one. I don't know, we can make a meme out of it anyways.
Wow. Karen's view on Islam is something I've never considered before. Really eye opening.
read the sharia ... a man can go to jail and be punished for the women's crimes, has to pay for the debts she accumulates etc..etc... it's like our old time laws used to be
I hate Islam and pretty much all muslim (w/o them there would be no islam duh) but it's not "oppressing women" it's oppressing everyone while still giving women a lot of protection
+Kaales Rex Indeed. Possibly one of the reasons we aren't able to have a balanced view of such culture, is that we would need to adjust the narrative that historically in our own culture, men have always oppressed women, until women fought back and "liberated" themselves.
+Kaales Rex Gotta disagree with you there. Women's testimony in Islam count as either 1/2 or 1/3 a mans'. Women need 3 witnesses to prove a rape. Women can be sex slaves if they are captured in war. It allows you to beat your wife, it compares women to fields and says that men can plow them whenever he wants (always talks about if the men choose, not if the women want it), it calls them stupid, says most of hell are women, compares them to dogs. It's really vile when it talks about women, and that's why the attitudes towards women are so shit in those countries, just look up Taharrush, they've made it a game to assault women.
And most of what I'm talking about is in Scripture alone, Taharrush is just one real life implication, but there are tons more. Like women being charged with adultery for not being able to prove they were raped, not being able to leave the house or talk to men without permission from their husband or father, having to wear Burqas, they face death for adultery where men don't, sex slavery is rampant in the Muslim world, forced marriages are common and often with children or family. I could go on and on, I think at best you can say that women don't have to work, but that's not worth being treated like an animal.
I think it's absolutely true that Islam oppresses women.
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Men die in war, and if women/girls are being made sex slaves, the non-fighting men and boys are generally being slaughtered. Both of these things are bad.
Man in conservative Islamic society: You work to support a wife you didn't choose, and for who's actions you are now *responsible*. For this social structure to work, it is necessary to be permitted to punish your wife, whether you want to or not.
I could also go on. The nuance you are missing is glaring when you open your eyes. But you need to see men as being like yourself (as in, not enjoying having a sex slave and generally desiring to oppress everyone). Karen is not saying that these things women face are un-important. She is saying that it is *not* a broad conspiracy by the male part of the population to enjoy oppressing the female part, and there is male suffering too, that we are instinctively blind to.
I mean, are you one of these people who actually you are the one good man, and all others would enjoy having sex slaves?
clickaccept Yea, true, the women don't get sent to war, but personally, I don't think the security isn't worth the abuse.
That's definitely oppression, they can't be considered responsible for their selves? That's inhumane. And where do men get punished for the actions of their wives? That's something that doesn't actually happen. Yea men work, but they can also get multiple wives and can treat them as shitty as possible without punishment, can go outside and talk to whoever, they actually have some human rights.
The reason I don't want a sex slave and to oppress women is because I live in a culture that teaches me these things are wrong. When you grow up in a culture where women are literally valued as less than a man and your prophet is telling you that sex slavery and wife beating is OK, then you wouldn't see these things as bad. You talk about nuance then completely ignore culture, you should probably do the research for yourself instead of just parroting Karen.
When you read Islamic scripture it is very clear that women are meant to be subservient to men, they aren't doing it for fun, they are doing it because they think God wants them to.
No, I'm one of those people who understands that your culture plays a huge role on your morality.
Finally brought Karen on. Best guest ever! I fucking love this woman.
Bring her back on. She is great
Rubin, top notch.
*****
Better than a solipsist such as yourself.
My mother was abusive to me bad. She kicked, slapped, scratched, and beat me with my stepdad. She would call me worthless as a child. She would let my step-father beat me, and said it was my fault for pissing him off. They would go out and get food, and eat it in front of me. My father (who has been a rock for me in life) fought for me, but the courts gave my mom everything anyway. So yes, evil moms still get more rights than men.
Karen has saved many many lives, including mine. All my support to her.
Karen is very special and lovely to listen to. Danke
She got the gold mine and I got the shaft. She got the ring and I got the finger.
prenups, or just date someone who is on your level.
Very Romantic.
+Gumba Chris
Nobody cares about prenups unless you're rich. Yet another case of rules being different for the proles and the ruling class
+gheberf558 That isn't even true. It's a signed contract.
+Anti-Theist Otter , Ive heard that in certain cases if the judge deems that the woman was under duress when it was signed they can nullify it.
karen is awesome
even when she was getting divorced, she still showed her soon to be ex husband total respect and compassion
how that marriage could have possibly ended, I'll never know
Karen Straughan: Holding the torch on UA-cam when there was no Anti-Fem/Skeptic community to speak of and NOBODY wanted to hear about or speak for Men's Rights.
They owe her SO much, and give her NADA. Thanks Dave. Your'e a fucking ROCKSTAR.
Karen is an intelligent, reasonable woman from Canada. Good interview.
You've had some fantastic guests on before, but Karen is easily one of the best.
I love Karen. This was a good one.
Humans: Men can be dicks, women can be dicks. It's not complicated. Stop being dicks. Thank you. **flies away**
Bugman once again saved the day!
TheAnnoyingGunner :D
***** **flies back and hands out donuts and refreshing beverages** Be strong Terminimal, you got this! **flies away**
Bugman541
Bugman *once again* saved the day!
*lays out sugary food and waits with bug spray* im gonna get that fuckin bug
what an intelligent and insightful person she is on a range of topics. Very reassuring to see this, Radical feminism may end up doing more damage than any other movement in history
Will Dave ask her to make him a sandwich? Let's find out!
Karen! Karen! Yadda yadda yadda! Karen! Karen! Yadda yadda yadda!
Make sure to watch the whole thing!
Always :)
Blobbity blah blobbity blah.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION!
so much respect to this lady for what she said about women in saudi arabia.
you can tell she realizes nothing is as black and white as people try to make it seem so.
Karen is so well spoken, prepared, and cool in discussions/debates. Nearly impossible to challenge her successfully
Wow, she is unbelievably fair-minded and rational. I thought she was going to be more critical of Islam and say that Muslim men are the real woman-haters and that feminists never focus on that. But no, she pointed out that Middle Eastern political systems privilege and disadvantage both sexes in different ways, and that boys and men face plenty of their own problems there as well. I found that really thoughtful
YUS! Finally! Woohoo! Go Karen!
Interview Anita Sarkeesian.
Much as I despise her, I support this idea.
she'd never do it, even a softball interviewer like Dave. He might still ask a question that she doesn't get in her echo chamber, and from what I've seen, she avoids that like crazy.
She wouldn't go on with Rubin. No joking, I will eat a sock if she proves me wrong. Anyone that makes a career out of scamming people will avoid all critics at all costs.
She won't do it, unless Rubin pays her $20k for the privilege to interview such a genius.
That's what she asks for every one of those mainstream media appearances, and people are paying her.
Honestly I'd be happy to see any of the high profile feminist icons even accept an interview here. Maybe Dave can actually do it because he's very non-confrontational in his style and often just let's his guest speak. It would also do a lot of good having one of them here.
There's no harm in letting them speak and just self-destruct with the stupid shit they say. This might also bring new people to this channel and one or two of them could even change their views.
This woman is facing an uphill battle that nobody will ever win. This type of extreme selfless is unparalleled.
Karen is the best. Good show glad you had her on the show.
I luvs me some Karen Straughan, the smartest person on UA-cam, and I think she's hot!
She's AWESOME!
Dave, you have become the Charlie Rose of our generation. I mean that as an immense compliment. You let people shine or fade by way of their own finished thoughts.
I think the way you do as well, Karen. Kudos for putting yourself out there.
So every man who's openly gay, count your blessings that you don't have to deal with this BS.
I think this way 6 days out of the week...but yet I still occasionally dream of being straight.
I used to feel miserable for being gay. After I realized how much shit straight men have to deal with nowadays, especially with women, I must say I'm super thankful for being gay.
I don't need to suck dick in order to avoid getting into a relationship with a women
Anime Waifus are the safe alternative for heterosexual men.
+Ashley ASHLEYM
I'm really glad I'm gay and thereby minimise my exposure to such potentially toxic situations, but on the other hand thinking about it makes me kind of sad, too. I obviously still treat women like normal people, but what if I happen to meet the wrong woman who'll accuse me of sexual harassment, assault or whatever out of wounded vanity because she happened to be interested, I'm obviously not and therefore don't respond to her advances (aside from not being outed anyway, I also think it's nobody's business, so I probably wouldn't tell a complete stranger)? Or alternatively because "Hugh Mungus"... (Sorry not sorry my humour is a bit perverted) Should it really be my best excuse that I'm gay in case she tries to bring this into court? So what if I was straight, would that make my actions (i.e. my sexual disinterest) more reprehensible? And even worse, what would it say about the justice system if even me being gay doesn't stop her from being taken seriously with an allegation she pulled straight out of her ass?
I saw you clearly struggling when she rejected the usual "Islam needs feminism" line. That was a really interesting ideological clash.
Paul Elam and Karen Straughan are tops in this area. More so now than ever.
Karen is an angel of a human being.
Marriage has nothing but risks for men.
When Karen paints regressive feminists as the purveyors of pure feminism, she is giving them power.
Great interview Dave, love how you let them express ideas without jumping in and disrupting every minute. Bravo sir 👏
I want to give a thank you shout out for this comment section. The comment sections for all the femminism and male rights videos i have been watching were just sooo toxic! And this comment section is so nice!
KAREN STRAUGHAN HAS OFFICIALLY JOINED THE ALT-RIGHT
+Ryan Bland Well everyone who isn't a batshit leftwinger is Alt-right. Didn't you get the memo?
More like the ALT-COMMON SINCE
loving all the cenk jokes xD
excellent show, Karen is the genuine woman of the year
another great interview dave. to karen all i can say is keep that moral fortitude and fight the good fight like you have been.
the road to hell is paved in good intentions
Where have I heard that before?
there's really no need to defend people going to hell, even if this hell thingy is bogus.
maybe I should clarify that is meant metaphorically not religiously
+gheberf558 Not necessarily, just that in the name of doing good people are willing to overlook unintended consequences (and because modern society is so complex it is really hard to pinpoint many of them) or even do evil in order to reach that good. It is why the phase 'For the Greater Good' is used all throughout history to justify violence and destruction.
Please interview Atheism Is Unstoppable / Devon Tracy.
considering hes a coward that wont show his face yet will dox people, that's not going to happen
+Twinky House
He's shown his face in MULTIPLE videos. You are an idiot.
He has blocked Rubin already lol.
don't, the man is an idiot hothead
Devon can't block or delete Rubin in the event they disagree on something, so it might be interesting.
Thank you Karen for your voice of reason.
So awesome you got her on your show! I think she's amazing at what she does. While I do consider myself feminist, I think people who bash her for standing up for men, and giving male plights a spotlight, are totally overly one-sided. She's a strong woman, who fights for others, and she merits more admiration.
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Please get Julie Borowski.
That'd be really cool.
That girl is serious hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng material.
I have lived 22 years in Marseille (France) where the Muslim communities are important, they represent a quarter of the general population. Most of the women who wore a simple scarf to cover their hair turned to the burka when they felt their religion to be attacked in France by the laws against the veil President Sarkozy passed.
I noticed then, more and more women dressing in a very traditional way because they felt their religion and way of life were threatened.
What I am certain is that feminism shouldn't tell women what to wear. I despise feminism nowadays because it seems to be an ideology standing against any 'common sense'.
I appreciate for once to hear complex ideas expressed. Thank you, and many thanks to your guest.
I'm so glad this interview finally happened. Karen Straughan really helped to clarify feminism for me, in terms of explaining bits and pieces that did not seem to fit. Warren Farrell's book "the Myth of Male Power" really is a must for anyone who wants to know the real statistics of men vs. women.
She is a living legend among the pepes!
Would like to read that article interviewing the angry women in Afghanistan.
I would love to be able to find it for you, but it was several years and two computers ago, and I wouldn't even know how to begin to search for it in such a way as to not have to sift through 18 pages of google results.
National Geographic had a great article on women in Iran and it did a great job of outlining how it's not so simple. The women there said they want progress, but to do it themselves and slowly. They want to nudge things in the right direction instead of having the west come in and hammer in a "solution" from an outside source. It's a very nuanced thing.
While I might not always agree with Rubin, I respect his efforts to expand horizons and act in the spirit of true classical liberalism. Much respect.
I remember my father trying to leave the house and my mother did not want that. She struck him several times, knocked his hat off, and yanked him by his coat. Still, he was going out the door so she through herself at him. He pushed her away and she tripped backwards falling over a nearby coffee table. IMMEDIATELY he ran over and helped her up, begging for forgiveness, asking if she were hurt, apologizing profusely. THAT'S been a situation I've seen over and over in my adult years! I have literally NEVER run into a situation of the reverse except two occasions. BOTH of them involved DRUG DEALERS and women who KNEW what they were but enjoyed the money and enjoyed free drugs. I have been ANTI-feminist ALL my life.
Great video, but I mostly enjoyed reading Karen's responses to some of the comments. :D
Check out her channel. Go to videos and sort oldest to newest. Hours of informative content there.
She is cool as fuck and a seriously intelligent and brilliant person but I think I am not entirely wrong in saying she might like a drink and get carried away sometimes lol.
Ishmael Forester She ends hangouts because she needs more wine and or smokes. So if you watched more of her videos you wouldn't dance around it.
jim's comment account Ah, well, I admit to not watching most of her videos. I have watched a few though and I kind of worked it out being quite partial to such and such myself.
Also growing up in a background of people who really like a drink where you can just more or less tell one of your own. I am not saying she has a problem or anything.
Cenk Uygur created 60 accounts to dislike this video
I am so impressed with her higher moral standards.
Charming and exceptionally bright young woman, with a unique brand of care and compassion where it's needed.