Very good your video, I'm from Brazil, and here the water cooled system is better in hot places like north and northeast of Brazil, in this places we can not sell air cooled systems, Thank you for your informations I have a company's Chanel with the same topics
Great presentation. Like others have mentioned, in the classic legislation environment, where you are just pulling water from the tap to cool the condenser, yes - these are generally not eco friendly. However IMO, if you have a lake, a geothermal system, a small chiller, or the equivalent, you are much better off with the water cooled system.
@@dnoorian If I ran the water-cooled condensing unit in a loop with the aim of using its heat as a heat source for an absorbtion chiller . How hot will the water get ? Can I get temperatures around 100c 212F ?
All you must do is put the coil submerged in water, circulate the water with the pump to a reservoir of cold or water, using the same principle of AC to cool the condensing unit in no time the transfer of heat will be much greater
@@MeIn321a pump cycles water from the ground and it goes back into the ground at another well. So yes, you will have a pump continuously running. But nowhere near the cost of doing it with city water, would be a huge waste of water running clean water into the sewer. Same systems in yachts. Water is pumped through system, then returned to the ocean. In boats they’re called “chillers”.
QUESTION: We have several Liebert crac units with water cooled condensers. Currently we use approx 70deg water flowing through the condensers. However, we need to know if we used 55 degree water would it drastically effect the units efficiency. There is a condenser water control valve in each unit. I ask because there are no parameters recommended in the owners manual. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
You are using more refrigerant to cool the water in an exterior motion, and a pump which uses electricity to pump the water that the condenser is submerged in to merely achieve greater results all legal
I think for water cool it is better for entire city or region by pumping bottom water to the top of water body like pool or river or ocean it is more like a large public project that cost a lot for large project if we use conventional air conditional system plus large air conditioner electricity create more emf heating effect on the environment that people not aware of while pumping cool water as cooling medium does not cost anything other than small pump can be by pressure of the deep itself. I think your presentation is misleading need more research and correction other wise children be confused
No not really. They’re pretty much the same price for the unit itself. However the water cooled unit has a higher operating cost than the air cooled unit because generally speaking water is more expensive than electricity.
@@dnoorian yes but you also have to offset the electricity savings of the compressor. The hotter the condenser runs. The harder the compressor has to work to liquify the coolant from gas to liquid (before being utilized by the evaporator). Water units take that work load off of the compressor, which translates to upwards of 40 % energy efficiency.
@@TheGodfather101 I am in Pakistan where it is hot, electricity also not available some times, I want to make an air conditioner from a water dispenser. Any ideas ? would it be good to run on solar ?
@@solexxx8588 We have one of these in our HVAC system at work and it just dumps the water on the floor in our plant. It's just a drop in the bucket when you're on an industrial site.
@Eli Gordon I am in Pakistan where it is hot, electricity also not available some times, I want to make an air conditioner from a water dispenser. Any ideas ? would it be good to run on solar ?
Thanks for explanation. So technically both condensers work on the same principle. The only difference is a cooling medium. As you said, water cooled unit is much more expensive, would it be possible to modify conventional air-cooled condenser and replace the radiator by coil cooled by water? What if you just soak the radiator into the flowing water? :D I guess that effectivity might be even higher in water cooled systems. Imagine that in a hot summer day you cool that hot condenser by cold water from the water spring instead of hot air from the atmosphere. Warm water can be further used in a swimming pool for example
@@dnoorian they do i service entire buildings using water source heat pumps that are 20+ years old not new tech just more complicated of installation since you need the closed loop for the water includes pumps cooling tower and water heater for winter and a lot more details and the ac unit
@@kashifanis405 you may want to look onto geothermal heat pump technology the overall idea is that underground after a certain depth that changes depending on the region you will find a constant temperature around 55 f the infrastructure for this systems may be more expensive but the savings on electricity will make it a better idea for solar use
Very good your video, I'm from Brazil, and here the water cooled system is better in hot places like north and northeast of Brazil, in this places we can not sell air cooled systems,
Thank you for your informations
I have a company's Chanel with the same topics
Great presentation. Like others have mentioned, in the classic legislation environment, where you are just pulling water from the tap to cool the condenser, yes - these are generally not eco friendly. However IMO, if you have a lake, a geothermal system, a small chiller, or the equivalent, you are much better off with the water cooled system.
Thank you for your information
very cool concept of water cooled ACs
interesting, good explaination
thanks, glad you liked it!
@@dnoorian If I ran the water-cooled condensing unit in a loop with the aim of using its heat as a heat source for an absorbtion chiller . How hot will the water get ?
Can I get temperatures around 100c 212F ?
Really good vid thanks!
Hookup the water to closed loop geothermal.
Thank you!
Thanks, I was thinking about this some days ago, I have no idea about the regulations about the water cooled systems, it's good to know
your welcome
is it possible to reuse the hot water coming out for other purposes like toilet flush/washing machine?
All you must do is put the coil submerged in water, circulate the water with the pump to a reservoir of cold or water, using the same principle of AC to cool the condensing unit in no time the transfer of heat will be much greater
Not a waste of water. There’s a return well, It’s a loop system. Two wells. I couldn’t imagine anyone running this thing on city water
Make up water?
@@MeIn321a pump cycles water from the ground and it goes back into the ground at another well. So yes, you will have a pump continuously running. But nowhere near the cost of doing it with city water, would be a huge waste of water running clean water into the sewer. Same systems in yachts. Water is pumped through system, then returned to the ocean. In boats they’re called “chillers”.
I’ve never seen one running on city water. Ever
Why hasn't water cooled ac more popular aside from the initial buying price
QUESTION: We have several Liebert crac units with water cooled condensers. Currently we use approx 70deg water flowing through the condensers. However, we need to know if we used 55 degree water would it drastically effect the units efficiency. There is a condenser water control valve in each unit. I ask because there are no parameters recommended in the owners manual. Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
How could they waste water? All u need to do is use ground water and geo thermal to dissipate
Water is more expensive? lol Water cooled is free hot water. Free heat!
Thanks
You are using more refrigerant to cool the water in an exterior motion, and a pump which uses electricity to pump the water that the condenser is submerged in to merely achieve greater results all legal
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I think for water cool it is better for entire city or region by pumping bottom water to the top of water body like pool or river or ocean it is more like a large public project that cost a lot for large project if we use conventional air conditional system plus large air conditioner electricity create more emf heating effect on the environment that people not aware of while pumping cool water as cooling medium does not cost anything other than small pump can be by pressure of the deep itself. I think your presentation is misleading need more research and correction other wise children be confused
Ok, so if the water cool is 30% more efficient is it that much more expensive than air cool?
No not really. They’re pretty much the same price for the unit itself. However the water cooled unit has a higher operating cost than the air cooled unit because generally speaking water is more expensive than electricity.
@@dnoorian yes but you also have to offset the electricity savings of the compressor. The hotter the condenser runs. The harder the compressor has to work to liquify the coolant from gas to liquid (before being utilized by the evaporator). Water units take that work load off of the compressor, which translates to upwards of 40 % energy efficiency.
@@TheGodfather101 I am in Pakistan where it is hot, electricity also not available some times, I want to make an air conditioner from a water dispenser. Any ideas ? would it be good to run on solar ?
@@kashifanis405 I am experimenting with a water cooled peltier module. I'll keep you posted.
@@kashifanis405 ua-cam.com/video/lY3oGlgZRgI/v-deo.html
How do they waste water? I thought they just dumped it into the hot water supply. Canada is crazy!
the water usually drains into a floor drain and not reused.... therefore its a waste water system
@@dnoorian Not in the real world. It's dumb to dump heat.
@@solexxx8588 We have one of these in our HVAC system at work and it just dumps the water on the floor in our plant. It's just a drop in the bucket when you're on an industrial site.
Where can you get a water cooled air conditioner?
Try boat junk yards and resale shops, that's what most marine a/C's are
You ok 👍
What about noise produced?
No noise for WCS.
We cannot install air cool condensing unit inside, it is reversed. Thx.
Thx
your welcome. thanks for taking the time to watch my video! glad you liked it!
@@dnoorian any tips on small homemade cooling tower for water cooled machine?
I thought water cooled system recycle the water. it should hooked up to a ventilated water tank.
what is the water cooled unit?
Do you have an email I can contact you on? About to install a 200kw system and wanted advice pls
im in indonesia.. the water is so cheap..
i wonder why nobody makes condensor with this water systems
Hmmm I don’t know too. Maybe it’s because they don’t want to waste water...
@Eli Gordon I am in Pakistan where it is hot, electricity also not available some times, I want to make an air conditioner from a water dispenser. Any ideas ? would it be good to run on solar ?
Thanks for explanation. So technically both condensers work on the same principle. The only difference is a cooling medium. As you said, water cooled unit is much more expensive, would it be possible to modify conventional air-cooled condenser and replace the radiator by coil cooled by water? What if you just soak the radiator into the flowing water? :D I guess that effectivity might be even higher in water cooled systems. Imagine that in a hot summer day you cool that hot condenser by cold water from the water spring instead of hot air from the atmosphere. Warm water can be further used in a swimming pool for example
@@dnoorian they do i service entire buildings using water source heat pumps that are 20+ years old not new tech just more complicated of installation since you need the closed loop for the water includes pumps cooling tower and water heater for winter and a lot more details and the ac unit
@@kashifanis405 you may want to look onto geothermal heat pump technology the overall idea is that underground after a certain depth that changes depending on the region you will find a constant temperature around 55 f the infrastructure for this systems may be more expensive but the savings on electricity will make it a better idea for solar use