What KILLED Burning Abyss? -- Obliterated

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
  • Sometimes decks get too strong and get murdered pre-maturely by a banlist.
    Sometimes they get power crept out of the meta by newer stronger releases, and sometimes they just get hard countered by a new archetype, making them unplayable.
    On today's video, we explore what Obliterated Burning Abyss, and what it'd need to come back!
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    !Opinions expressed in this video are those of the author/video creator and not necessarily Cardmarket.
    ➥ Buy and Sell your cards: 🛒 www.cardmarket...
    You can find us on:
    👾Twitch: / cardmarket_yugioh
    📷 Instagram: / cardmarket_. .
    📘Facebook: / yugioh
    🐦Twitter: / cardmarketygo

КОМЕНТАРІ • 253

  • @CardmarketYGO
    @CardmarketYGO  2 роки тому +33

    Genuinely though, BA was so good at one point, it was winning YCS'!
    The decklist for full power Burning Abyss can be found here:
    bit.ly/3in9is3

    • @miyu8823
      @miyu8823 2 роки тому +3

      Why trickstar, virtual world, Qliphoth, drytron, yang zing and salamangreat died?
      All these decks *were tier 1 at their time, i probably already know the reason, but i love to watch the details you guys put on the videos.

    • @dragon-id5uj
      @dragon-id5uj 2 роки тому

      that Mask change II play with the mind crush tech against nekroz searching was the MOST LIT EVER, I saw that ISH live and it reignited my DUELING SPIRIT

    • @mattyorshin
      @mattyorshin 2 роки тому

      @@miyu8823 hand traps, power creep, people move on

    • @YeahTheDuckweed
      @YeahTheDuckweed Рік тому

      ​@MiYu trickstar lost droll reincarnation, vw lost vfd, qli is old and shit, dry lost...a bunch of stuff I think idk, yang zing lost denglong, salad lost copies of gazelle & circle and is old and shit
      Edit: trickstar got droll reincarnation back! I didn't realise! It's just old and shit

    • @gabudaichamuda2545
      @gabudaichamuda2545 Рік тому

      Have you guys talked about Plunder Patroll?

  • @unamusedrowlett6303
    @unamusedrowlett6303 2 роки тому +287

    Burning abyss is probably the only archetype in the game that naturally died of old age.

    • @dragon-id5uj
      @dragon-id5uj 2 роки тому +24

      thats..that's... kinda deep bro ur right

    • @apesy800
      @apesy800 2 роки тому +6

      Burned into an Abyss

    • @arobnugzo6818
      @arobnugzo6818 2 роки тому +9

      Gadgets and Geargia kinda did too tbf.

    • @Gjaku
      @Gjaku Рік тому +13

      They need to give ba some cool support the artwork is sick they could do so mutch with it i mean japanese they really like christian mythology its insane that the deck still did not got any support for 8 years

    • @thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong
      @thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Рік тому

      @@Gjaku It's technically not christian.

  • @tk_yohan
    @tk_yohan 2 роки тому +146

    what i love about burning abyss is the ART. this is the only archetype that comes close to being similar to an MTG artstyle

    • @lovethyenemies6702
      @lovethyenemies6702 2 роки тому +17

      How about Noble Knights?

    • @tickledeggz
      @tickledeggz 2 роки тому +22

      Spell books/prophecy have that one card that looks like it was meant to be an mtg card, but like, if you want your cards to look like mtg cards, theres this game from Hasbro/Wotc called Magic: The Gathering.

    • @lerryhp
      @lerryhp 2 роки тому +18

      Outer entities are pretty similar to MTG cards art too

    • @yaroubthayer-752
      @yaroubthayer-752 2 роки тому

      @@tickledeggz whoa 🤯

    • @YeahTheDuckweed
      @YeahTheDuckweed Рік тому

      ​@@tickledeggz OMFG YES IT'S *PROPHECY DESTROYER* I TELL EVERYONE ABOUT HOW SICK HE IS

  • @FGOboi
    @FGOboi 2 роки тому +194

    Farfa needs to watch this

    • @shadowbandit147
      @shadowbandit147 2 роки тому +9

      God dammit someone beat me to it. But not as much as Farfa beats the dead BA horse

    • @r3zaful
      @r3zaful 2 роки тому +7

      Farfa : I'm die, thank you forever

    • @cladiosanchez6865
      @cladiosanchez6865 2 роки тому +13

      "CL1 cir target Dante, CL2 Dante target cir"

    • @yamayago1641
      @yamayago1641 2 роки тому +8

      @@cladiosanchez6865 trolldespair

    • @bernardosales1044
      @bernardosales1044 2 роки тому +4

      9 years trolldespair

  • @the_losers69420
    @the_losers69420 2 роки тому +161

    Chain link 1 Cir targets Dante, Chain link 2 Dante targets *troll despair*

    • @samweisegg
      @samweisegg 2 роки тому +8

      Oh hey fellow Farfa viewer

    • @cirnospaghet
      @cirnospaghet 2 роки тому +8

      9 YEARS

    • @vo1ce147
      @vo1ce147 2 роки тому +3

      JOEL

    • @plasmawarper5837
      @plasmawarper5837 6 місяців тому

      Thats not even the best loop. The best loop was dual dnate, firelake, and traveler. 3 free pops and rcycling lake and traveler and dnate

  • @renaldyhaen
    @renaldyhaen 2 роки тому +59

    Burning Abyss is interesting because it is one of arctypes that have a lot of summoning mechanics, even the popular mechanic from BA only the Link and XYZ. But it will be very interesting if Konami can make other mechanics like Synchro, Ritual, and Fusion BA more playable too.

    • @shadowbandit147
      @shadowbandit147 2 роки тому +5

      Tell us you play Branded without telling us

    • @dragon-id5uj
      @dragon-id5uj 2 роки тому +2

      @@shadowbandit147 idgi that comment had nothing to do with branded

    • @shadowbandit147
      @shadowbandit147 2 роки тому

      @@dragon-id5uj yeah but you just want BA to have branded end boards. Branded whole gimmick is being able to make almost whatever ED monster you want and what you described sounds like BA's version of that.

    • @konolinkuda3586
      @konolinkuda3586 2 роки тому +12

      @@shadowbandit147 the dude is specifically talking about in-archetype extra deck monsters of the different extra deck types being relevant rather than the ability of a deck which can summon every extra deck monster type, in which BA and branded have nothing in common in this regard since the only in-archetype extra deck monster type that branded have is obviously fusion, in which case BA can be compared to magikey or odd-eyes

    • @shadowbandit147
      @shadowbandit147 2 роки тому

      @@konolinkuda3586 ohhhhhh if that's the the case then mb. I'm sorry dragon for coming at you like that. Branded has me a bit salty in MD and I mistook your comment as saying "BA should be able to summon any ED Monster"

  • @Doc_Fun
    @Doc_Fun 2 роки тому +29

    How does "Burning Abyss" not have an archetypal field spell? They literally have a place as their archetype name, it writes itself goddammit.

    • @superbr0ws015
      @superbr0ws015 Рік тому +4

      Because you have to have no S/T cards on the field to special summon them from hand. So the field spell would have to be played after your make you initial plays, and the question is whether you could have an effect worth actually waiting until later in the combo to play.

    • @Doc_Fun
      @Doc_Fun Рік тому +5

      @@superbr0ws015 you could easily circumvent that with a line of text. Something like "you may special summon burning abyss monsters by their own effect, ignoring their summoning conditions." Or maybe just make it so that the field spell specifically is exempt from that effect. Then also make it so they don't blow themselves up. Anything else beyond that is just icing.

    • @YeahTheDuckweed
      @YeahTheDuckweed Рік тому

      ​@Dr. Fun bro just made up a mechanic haha you can't ignore a summoning condition and then proceed to fulfill it...can you?

    • @Doc_Fun
      @Doc_Fun Рік тому

      @@YeahTheDuckweed I ain't a card text lawyer but you get what I'm going for. Use the special summon, ignore the need for no spells or traps. I think the other way I mentioned is actually better though, where the field spell exempts itself from that effect.

    • @YeahTheDuckweed
      @YeahTheDuckweed Рік тому

      @@Doc_Fun I think we should just not give ba a field spell haha we don't have to powercreep a fundamental archetypal mechanic in my imo

  • @foffingCh.
    @foffingCh. 2 роки тому +24

    I’ve been wanting a field spell just called “The Burning Abyss” for ages. It keeping them from killing themselves would be very awesome, and I think the trade off of locking the special summon ability down is kinda fair and could still be played around, or it could just grant them the same effect but with “other than this card” stapled on. And shoot, while I’m asking for it, throw a 500 point stat pump on there or something, why not

    • @findout-YGO
      @findout-YGO 2 роки тому +2

      effect 1: when activated search 1 BA from deck
      effect 2: BA monsters you control cannot be destroyed by card effects
      effect 3: if sent to grave recycles BA cards to draw (so multiple copies aren't useless in hand/deck)

    • @butti0903
      @butti0903 2 роки тому

      It would be perfect.

    • @gabrielgian6207
      @gabrielgian6207 2 роки тому +3

      They'll probably give them support next year for the 10th anniversary. I'm calling it.

    • @Gjaku
      @Gjaku Рік тому

      8 years and still no support

    • @mewtmath2899
      @mewtmath2899 10 місяців тому

      With a gy effect just to piss ppl off

  • @not2shaddy51
    @not2shaddy51 2 роки тому +21

    Speaking of Master rule 4, I wasn't playing at the time, but I would like an in depth analysis on Knightmare Goblin and or Knightmare Mermaid and how they changed the meta, maybe on an episode of the Banhammer

    • @tickledeggz
      @tickledeggz 2 роки тому +2

      One of them gave you an additional normal summon, the other one let you make full orcust combo with any 2 monsters. Not really game changing, meta defining maybe, but honestly mermaid isnt that different to Halqifibrax in terms of usage. I'd say both are equivalent to Lavaval chain in their respective Metagames (single card engine that's easily accessible from the extra deck, and can acheive almost any board, if used correctly)

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 2 роки тому +2

      Nightmare Goblin was a menace because it gave every deck that can put two different names monsters on the field the ability to get an extra normal summon that was always available because it was an extra deck monster. And unlike brilliant fusion you didn't have to run any garnets (heh) in main deck so your deck can be as consistent as you wanted and still have the ability to extend your combos via extra normal summon. Hell it could even draw a card if it was co linked which was nice bonus.
      Mermaid is interesting because it and Orcust Knightmare made it so that any two monsters on the field can go into a full Orcust combo VERY consistently. This meant that any deck could splash in an orcust package and take advantage of the power of the Orcust cards. Searchable omni negate, galatea, ding etc are really good to be so easily accessible at the time 😀

    • @beautifulryann
      @beautifulryann 2 роки тому

      @@tickledeggz You're insane

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 Рік тому

      You know how any 2 monsters make Verte make whatever fusion was pretty much in every rogue deck that couldn't do anything else or extra gas for more meta combo decks? Imagine that with Orcust cards

    • @YeahTheDuckweed
      @YeahTheDuckweed Рік тому

      ​@@ashikjaman1940 honestly sounds worse haha

  • @flo5091
    @flo5091 Рік тому +2

    BA support is in a way restricted through lore. They printed the Malebranche, Dante, Vergil, Beatrice, and argumentably the Devil. They could add characters like Charon, Cerberus, Phlegias, Minos, Geryon or the Giants for example as Extradeck monsters but they have a short appearance in the Inferno. The more lore fitting support in my opinion would be a series of protected fieldspells with artworks inspired by Botticelli or Dali which resemble different circles of hell which punish the souls for their combo, handtrap or floodgate (...) sins. Or just make an extension archetype which evolves around Purgatorio or Heaven or even around the description of hell from Vergil's Aeneis or Homer's Odyssee.

  • @MrMarnel
    @MrMarnel 2 роки тому +16

    They'll be back. They're not old to the point of being outright awful and are too cool to ignore forever. Something like an in-archetype Tour Guide than when sent to the graveyard makes all your BA indestructible until your next turn.

    • @dragon-id5uj
      @dragon-id5uj 2 роки тому +11

      I mean adventure phantom knight was heat at the start of 2022, that's like 1 step away from BA being meta

  • @Cross0009
    @Cross0009 2 роки тому +6

    Honestly surprised you guys didn't mention that Beatrice floats into Pilgrim, which while isn't the greatest boss monster, still does a lot for BA and gives you even more advantage and is untargetable by your opponent. Plus getting to knock a card out of your opponent's hand when it's sent to the GY is yet another free plus.

  • @josephinelilith3224
    @josephinelilith3224 2 роки тому +5

    Another thing I think really hurt the deck was the increased prevalence of handtraps making Tour Guide a significantly worse opener. It was limited for such a long time because of how easily you could kickstart BA combos with it, but nowadays most BA players (myself included) don't even run max copies of it anymore because if its effect gets negated, you pretty much lose your turn (and thus the game) since you can't get BAs on the board anymore.

  • @ronaldomartinholopes
    @ronaldomartinholopes 2 роки тому +4

    Farfa would tell you otherwise... 9 years TrollDespair

  • @chaocobojun2098
    @chaocobojun2098 2 роки тому +35

    You didn’t mention Fiendish Rhino. It disallows self destruction when other monsters are on the field.

    • @tekken425
      @tekken425 2 роки тому +3

      Probably because its super niche and would like an easy to search burning abyss by name I guess, but you're completely right Fiendish Rhino is/was a great sub

    • @findout-YGO
      @findout-YGO 2 роки тому +2

      @@tekken425 rhino was a godsent, rhino+any BA = normal rhino, special BA from hand, make dante then detatch rhino to mill 3, rhino sends cir/graf and you go off from there...
      especially after cherubini was relesead, but then we all know the deck became phantom knight and not BA

  • @DanteLurking
    @DanteLurking 2 роки тому +6

    I would like a ba monster that when normal or special summon has a tour guide effect . And a continuous trap like Psy frame over load that destroys a BA on field or hand and suffles back a card on the field with no target ....to be more relevant in this meta protection effects

    • @findout-YGO
      @findout-YGO 2 роки тому +1

      or maybe a spell like branded opening (discard to add/special 1 BA)

    • @DanteLurking
      @DanteLurking 2 роки тому +2

      @@findout-YGO that would be also could and would be better if it made them unable to destroy them from their own effect , in case u drew it after u enstablised board

  • @jacksonkohls820
    @jacksonkohls820 2 роки тому +5

    I think it would be interesting to cover an archetype that was never reallyyyy that good, and explain why its never been good and what it would need to become good.

  • @Raithul
    @Raithul 2 роки тому +6

    I've been thinking about what BA needs, a bit - no expert with the deck, though. Snow being hit is obviously a big problem, so I think something that fills her place somewhat, a more archetype-restricted option that can activate as a quick from GY for some disruption, rather than needing to trigger on a new chain after being sent, would give them some more reactivity and proactivity. A link-3/4 that can be made with less restricted materials than Cherubini would be good too, so that you can clean up your field of non-BA names more easily. In terms of lore-wise, the tortured spirits of Hell would fit well as things that live in the GY and activate there, and Satan himself is one of the big notable things from the Divine Comedy that is missing, and I would previously have said that Konami would probably shy away from that, but we *do* have Darklord Morningstar, so...

    • @dimitrilepain3821
      @dimitrilepain3821 2 роки тому +4

      I've thought about a link-3 as the most suitable supplement as well:
      A Link-3 (BL, B, BR), that if summoned or sent to grave copies the effects of any one BA in the grave. thats it.
      It could for example copy Cherubini on summon to protect your BA's it points to and Farfa when sent to grave to rid of your opponents cards.
      It's versatile enough to be both an extender and an endboard piece, leaves room for interaction with possible other support or synergistic engines without being too generic to become it's own broken engine in other decks (i hope), since all it does is depend on and interact with other BA's.
      Some flexible disruption from inside the grave would certainly be great too, but as you pointed out yourself, clearing the field of non-BA's without loosing a bunch of BA's on field when you remove Cherubini is a big issue. what i could imagine as an interesting addition would be something akin to Sky Striker's eagle boosters, where you can protect your monsters, but in this case not by having no monsters in the MMZ but instead through sending a BA/Fiend from deck to grave, that then could trigger for some interuption (Alich, Farfa or Calcab for example).
      Lorewise im not too well-written, so i cannot estimate how likely these ideas would fit into the narrative, nor how likely/"correct" your suggestions about the "tortured spirits of hell" is, but the idea of a sort of "archetypal Fairy Tail - Snow" is quite intriguing, tho has to be managed carefully.

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 Рік тому

      I think a new Vergil would be cool since he's "kinda" important in the story of Dante's Inferno lol

  • @friskydrinklunkybank1108
    @friskydrinklunkybank1108 2 роки тому +4

    BA has always been a fun archetype to play (not necessarily always the case for your opponent, especially back in the day). Cool artwork as well. But they definitely need some help if they want to be relevant in a competirive environment.
    For other topics in this series, with the upcoming infernity spell support, maybe they would make for a decent topic. As their problem lies in not having a hand, they have to go full gas no brakes combo and make a board full of negates (if they dont get hand trapped that is) to compensate for their inability to utilise handtraps or quick play spells that can help stop handtraps like crossout and called by the grave. Back then they could get away with this as there were less handtraps and going first felt amazing. But nowadays theyre not even rogue anymore, just a locals one trick deck.

  • @lethalfalll
    @lethalfalll 2 роки тому +1

    We need the unlimiting of sekka's light on the combo side. I played the 37 monster 3 sekka build for over a year and it allowed some crazy plays usually (towards the end) ending on apo with ip +link 2 for avramax and a beatrice. It's a really weird deck to look at cause, while it is xenophobic you can still play a lot of good extenders (The psychic level 3's that special summon if you have a level 3 on field helping push through tour guide getting ashed for example, or the baby chaos dragons when they were at 3, and SNOW being gone has hurt, along with the dangers being so busted for the archtype) meaning it is a very good link climb deck, even now it is used as an engine in a lot of non adventure PK lists since you can use tour guide as a 1 card full combo. What we need tho is just a better boss monster as stated, probably something with a negate built in, or BA that shuts off the self destruction effect, like a special summon fiendish essentially. Either that or what is meta now being banned into the ground. I have done some testing with the Ishizu cards but sadly it just feels like a worse dante in the deck. TLDR: a boss with a negate and a form of protection outside of cherubini or fiendish, maybe a in archtype soul charge as well.

  • @nealcaffrey2562
    @nealcaffrey2562 2 роки тому +2

    It has been 9 god dayum years!... TrollDespair

  • @derubor
    @derubor 2 роки тому +12

    Isn't Farfa the only one seriously playing this deck? I played it a while in Master Duel, but it is too much of a glass cannon.

    • @arobnugzo6818
      @arobnugzo6818 2 роки тому

      You can run BA Tearlament and hope you mill Tears but I don't see much else to do with them honestly.

  • @AstralXMidnight
    @AstralXMidnight 2 роки тому +1

    1) A new level 3 main deck BA that searches 1 "Burning Abyss" CARD from Deck to hand when sent to GY.
    2) A new Field Spell that reads "When this card is Activated; You can take 1 "Burning Abyss" monster from your Deck and either Special Summon it, or Send it to the GY. Special Summoned Level 3 "Burning Abyss" monsters have their effects negated as long as they are face-up on the field. Once per turn: If your opponent controls at least 1 monster that was Special Summoned from the Extra Deck; You can Special Summon 1 "Burning Abyss" monster from your hand, But it cannot attack or be used as Material for Link, Synchro or Fusion Summons."

    • @Harmonic14
      @Harmonic14 2 роки тому +1

      So you want to power creep Scarm and then make card that prevents BAs from special summoning themselves from the hand, got it.

    • @AstralXMidnight
      @AstralXMidnight 2 роки тому

      @@Harmonic14 How does it negate the special summon from hand? 😄 And yes, Scarm is ultimately way too slow and doesn't keep up with the speed of every other main deck monster.

    • @TrueScotsman96
      @TrueScotsman96 2 роки тому +1

      @@AstralXMidnight Field spells are spell cards. You can't special BA monsters with the in hand effect when you control any S/T.

    • @AstralXMidnight
      @AstralXMidnight 2 роки тому

      @@TrueScotsman96Ahhhh.... Damnit 🤣🤣🤣 Well instead of a field spell, we could make that a BA Link-3. :)

  • @warwerewolf777
    @warwerewolf777 2 роки тому +4

    Would love to see one of these on Shaddolls

  • @nopanko
    @nopanko 2 роки тому +3

    The correct title for this video was "Why the BA die?"

  • @sallas09
    @sallas09 2 роки тому +1

    I don't know how much it counts, but when I hear 'deck that just fell off the face of the earth,' the first thing that comes to my mind is Gladiator Beasts' brief fall from grace in September 2008. It was arguably the best deck in the format from about May 2008(after the emergency ban list put down DAD Return) until the release of Duelist Genesis and the Sept. 2008 ban list. Shockingly, despite being the toppest of top dogs, Glads got absolutely zero hits on that list. It was coming into Duelist Genesis format completely untouched, and was also gaining Equeste and War Chariot. But even with all of that, TDGS allowed Tele-DAD to be born, which complete erased Glads, and everything else, out of competitive viability for six whole months.
    A top tier, unstoppable powerhouse of a deck, completely put to bed for half a year not because of any ban list hits, but entirely because of power creep. Insanity.

    • @vo1ce147
      @vo1ce147 2 роки тому

      Well what about because ruling happening like the cases dino rabbit and ignition priority got remove or new ruling to x-saber Dark Souls ruling errata.

  • @malvo2099
    @malvo2099 2 роки тому

    hope you'll get more and more subscribers, such quality content!

  • @deathrotor
    @deathrotor 2 роки тому +1

    sooo i would love to see you cover Inzektors in this type of series , also i say Farfa (the streamer) killed BA :)

  • @MrThomez
    @MrThomez 2 роки тому +1

    The strongest era of BA at any time since MR4 was BEFORE Cherubini released.
    The deck was great throughout 2018 but folded the first time Fairy Tail - Snow got banned.

  • @Zxdez37
    @Zxdez37 2 роки тому +1

    When I started playing the second time was when Dark Law came out im a big HERO fan and all the BA players hated me at locals

  • @bernardthequagsire2373
    @bernardthequagsire2373 2 роки тому +1

    When PK fire became popular for the first time the deck was extremely fun. It felt like there was always some line you had to deal with your opponent, so many choices on What to do. After that I havent enjoyed Any deck or format as much.

  • @minabasejderha5972
    @minabasejderha5972 2 роки тому +1

    One idea: a link 3 from 3 level/rank/link 3s. 3 downward pointing arrows. And it gives the Cherubini protection.

  • @albans4105
    @albans4105 2 роки тому

    Thsi series is great. Keep up the good work

  • @dirtydave4543
    @dirtydave4543 Рік тому

    For the case of Djinn Releaser of Rituals, can the level of the material exceed the number needed? Like can I ritual summon Relinquished, with this card from the graveyard?

  • @lukastremmel9239
    @lukastremmel9239 2 роки тому

    Great Video, very enjoyable :)

  • @1ntelligentDiscourse
    @1ntelligentDiscourse 2 роки тому

    I want it to go old school and get Virgil and Fire Lake retrains. Like a hand trap Fire Lake that sends from the deck for cost and a non-targeting, non-OPT Rank 3 Xyz Virgil that gets the draw any way it leaves the field.

  • @apesy800
    @apesy800 2 роки тому +2

    You forgot Kaijus. Thats still the best archetype used in any deck more so than dangers still. That came out in Eng first also Spyral.... nough said. Its easy to forget that the TCG came out with some good archetypes

  • @silentobserver888
    @silentobserver888 Рік тому

    Dont forget In the official timeline of release they held back cherobini while releasing called by the grave first. Also official new direct support for ba is needed. Think of dragonlink, striker, altergiest, and all these other archtypes get alot of new support. Even shaddoll got better new support. BA has to contend against so many banishing from the grave, and while new archtypes like exosister inherently out it, and so does bystial. Fusion ba's, or ritual ba's or link ba's could possibly work. They can do stacking XYZ mechanics too. They can add new spells and traps. We need HELP KONAMI! MAKE BURNING ABYSS META AGAIN!

  • @AnotherWindaSimp
    @AnotherWindaSimp Рік тому

    CL1 CIR TARGET DANTE, CL2 DANTE TARGET CIR. Best interaction in the game to this day

  • @connorthompson22
    @connorthompson22 9 місяців тому

    Beatrice needs an errata to be a BA so it doesn't blow up the other BA or we need a BA with a Field effect that all BA cant be destroyed by their own effect to replace fiendish rhino warrior. and we need Beatrice to 3!

  • @owlhatch3812
    @owlhatch3812 2 роки тому

    Are people doing much with the agent archetype or parshath archetype anymore??

  • @four-en-tee
    @four-en-tee 2 роки тому +2

    Don't make me take my Dinomorphia BA deck to events.

  • @leeeyles1864
    @leeeyles1864 2 роки тому

    Cyber Angels was apparently really good at one point, although I missed the boat on that one. It's still good on duel links, but in the main game it sucks. I guess Konami is too afraid to buff it because of Drytron and Heralds, which really isn't fair on the deck.

  • @kuppermax1
    @kuppermax1 2 роки тому

    Maybe how lightsworn died ? Rly loved playing them but i feel like i just cant find any good variants anymore

  • @SetoOpium
    @SetoOpium Рік тому

    These are good content depending on the archetype, BA is a perfect choice to discuss!

  • @user-zz3ft7he4h
    @user-zz3ft7he4h 2 роки тому +2

    BA sadly has no real turn 2 plays and has a terrible time playing through disruptions nowadays. the only real thing BA can do now is hoping to go first so they can summon I:P mascerena + beatrice pass. sadly the only way BA has seen SOME success in the past years was a trap-heavy built with stuff like trap trick, ice-prison and so on. which has become terribly slow in modern yugioh.
    the deck really needs a good boss-monster that can clear stuff turn 2 without instantly dieing to a simple kind of disruption. also the deck needs a pseudo-tourguide that has BA in its name, so the deck doesnt instantly fold when your opponent has any kind of stuff like imperm, veiler, ashblossom, droplet and so on. tourguide just cloggs the field

  • @beansfebreeze
    @beansfebreeze 2 роки тому +1

    I once used the term "xenophobic" when referring to how some archetypes like BA work and farfa made a point to say I was stupid for using the word incorrectly lmao

  • @Frido19
    @Frido19 2 роки тому +2

    If Konami would add new burning abyss cards they should base them off Dantes journey through purgatory and the heavens but make sure they have synergies with the burning abyss cards. Just on case they're named something different for lore reasons

    • @ThatOneWeirdFlex
      @ThatOneWeirdFlex 2 роки тому

      Out of the Burning Abyss is a thematic name that could work

  • @jorgepoveda8726
    @jorgepoveda8726 2 роки тому

    My all time favourite deck 😀

  • @iscream4761
    @iscream4761 Рік тому

    The shield field spell is a mice idea

  • @NocriZle
    @NocriZle 2 роки тому

    I still use em in my dark world deck. Can send them off field spell, still can search broww

  • @tonyjr7986
    @tonyjr7986 Рік тому

    Isn’t BA supposed to get a structure deck??

  • @WShoup9818
    @WShoup9818 2 роки тому +1

    Man everyone forgets about spyral a t0 threat that was a tcg exclusive.

  • @schweizadaschengumbl1510
    @schweizadaschengumbl1510 Рік тому

    Ich werde nie ein anderes Deck anfassen, PK abyss (60 cards big abyss engine), labrynth abyss, BA pure.. es gibt so viele gründe BA zu spielen, die schönsten artworks, eine aktive Spielmechanik ohne 30 Minuten Kombi! Liebe

  • @l3thalkillz3r
    @l3thalkillz3r 2 роки тому

    Love this content

  • @ekinyurekli
    @ekinyurekli 2 роки тому +1

    What killed Invoked, and maybe even Adventure are also nice topics

    • @keanukokott886
      @keanukokott886 2 роки тому

      We already did a video covering Invoked, make sure to check it out! Adventure is definitely a good one though ! =)

  • @TheMysticRabbit0wnzu
    @TheMysticRabbit0wnzu Рік тому +1

    Pk grass fire still has me in diamond rank. Destroys the current meta other than despia

    • @lynaperez8022
      @lynaperez8022 Рік тому +1

      whats ur deck list?

    • @TheMysticRabbit0wnzu
      @TheMysticRabbit0wnzu Рік тому

      @lynaperez8022 shit bro that was 3 months ago I deleted masterduel when I got bored of vernusylph madolche like 3 weeks ago, with all the cards they banned and limited my pk fire deck died

  • @3004Kureiji
    @3004Kureiji 2 роки тому +2

    omg they made Farfa from UA-cam as a yugioh card

  • @Ragnarok540
    @Ragnarok540 2 роки тому

    Why did invoked died and what card would make it relevant again?

    • @CardmarketYGO
      @CardmarketYGO  2 роки тому

      We actually did a video on this!
      Check it out:
      ua-cam.com/video/qPJq7woeNhQ/v-deo.html
      - Adam

  • @christopheraponte306
    @christopheraponte306 2 роки тому +1

    Lmao the amount of times people people tried to impermanence cherubini. Also I usually set a card before activating cherubini for when people tried to get cheeky with gamma on cherubini effect

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 роки тому

      Or effect veiler... I guess that's how people learn about costs.

    • @christopheraponte306
      @christopheraponte306 2 роки тому

      @Edgar Nova the best was when I ran lair/infeenoids. Tribute their monster "hey I have a response to the activation!" Tributes for cost buddy

  • @baconsir1159
    @baconsir1159 2 роки тому

    I feel like you're over-estimating how xenophobic BA actually are while building/playing them. Between the destruction immunity given by Rhino and Cherubini, Dante not having the xenophobia clause, and the tendency of BA to not stay on the field you have a lot of options. For a good idea of what I mean, take a look at Hydralander BA with Sekka's Light (my personal favorite version of the deck). Only ran like 9-10 Burning Abyss monsters tops, with the rest being a bunch of monsters that would summon themselves. PK Fire is another good example.

  • @TheSoccerpro647
    @TheSoccerpro647 Рік тому

    deck was really good with the hydrolander, snow and sekka light build. Thomas rose made it relevant again then konami realized snow was dumb

  • @ReederMG
    @ReederMG 2 роки тому

    More content like this please

  • @lukaschin1038
    @lukaschin1038 2 роки тому

    give em a shaddoll fusion or smthn as well as a good fusion target

  • @andresarancio6696
    @andresarancio6696 2 роки тому +1

    Suggestion for another episode of Obliterate: Swordsoul. Was it just power creeped? Or did something specific to the meta happen?

    • @vo1ce147
      @vo1ce147 2 роки тому +2

      Well isizu happening it's not bad playing swoswo but it's not that great match up against isizu it's just kick out not because it's power creep out it's just have really abysmal match up against isizu same like tri-bri.

    • @beautifulryann
      @beautifulryann 2 роки тому +1

      Decks topping ycses again. Bystials being able to trigger the l10 on demand is a nice addition

  • @kelvinguzman7344
    @kelvinguzman7344 2 роки тому

    ngl would be interesting to see a retrain of malacoda

  • @shadowstriker6852
    @shadowstriker6852 2 роки тому

    I've got a friend that still plays ba and its his fav deck. Mine is phantom knights.

  • @priow1239
    @priow1239 2 роки тому +6

    Joel

  • @darksandals5352
    @darksandals5352 2 роки тому +2

    This video feels like Evil Farfa...

  • @Reachmond
    @Reachmond 2 роки тому +4

    What killed BA?
    Invalid question because the BA no die

    • @kelvinguzman7344
      @kelvinguzman7344 2 роки тому

      more like ocg konami being reluctant to give them more support

  • @Kevinkev1337
    @Kevinkev1337 2 роки тому +1

    Why the BA die?

  • @notamaperson5849
    @notamaperson5849 Рік тому

    I have a ull plan for a field spell.
    Name; 7 layers of the burning abyss.
    Pay 1000lp to activate this card. Burning abyss monsters cannot be destoyed by card effects you activate while this card is on the field. Once per turn. Banish 1 card that mentions dante in its name or description from the grave and add a burnming abyss monster from your gy to your hand.

  • @stevancartwright7343
    @stevancartwright7343 2 роки тому

    So BA never needed Cherubini at the start of MR4. We all thought the deck was dead then but it was actually good at the start. That's not the reason BA isn't good anymore.

  • @Zero-9909
    @Zero-9909 Рік тому

    Ah yes, master rule 4, the moment everyone of my friends and myself quit the game.

  • @ekinyurekli
    @ekinyurekli 2 роки тому +2

    What killed Virtual World would explain powercreep well

    • @CardmarketYGO
      @CardmarketYGO  2 роки тому +4

      We may have you covered soon 👀
      - Adam

    • @benito1620
      @benito1620 2 роки тому +3

      VFD being banned

    • @Xenonfuji
      @Xenonfuji 2 роки тому +2

      It wasn't really powercreep as much as it was that they banned VFD

    • @ekinyurekli
      @ekinyurekli 2 роки тому +1

      @@benito1620 Even without VFD, the archetype overall and their card advantage was great. Newer Synchro archetypes like PUNK and Swordsoul were so much stronger in design and were released only a year after. It’s not as simply as saying “VFD died they lost a boss monster lol”

    • @ekinyurekli
      @ekinyurekli 2 роки тому

      @@CardmarketYGO Thank you ❤ Hope your content gets more interaction, love the quality you put into these videos

  • @chrisb.2028
    @chrisb.2028 2 роки тому

    Missed the opportunity to name the video "why the Ba die"

  • @jefi1298
    @jefi1298 2 роки тому

    Did you try to get Farfa on this vid? You got Vlad to come on for a few things, so maybe you're talking?

  • @CaptainHandsome
    @CaptainHandsome 2 роки тому +1

    Why the BA yes die?

  • @theblan1k0ne
    @theblan1k0ne 2 роки тому

    Missed opportunity to bring Farfa on lmao

  • @terijackson2958
    @terijackson2958 2 роки тому

    i like.very good 💎

  • @thekittenfreakify
    @thekittenfreakify 2 роки тому

    It's not dead as soon as new generic grave based cards come along they will be all over that same for shaddoll

  • @stevancartwright7343
    @stevancartwright7343 2 роки тому

    BA was still good in MR4. I have played BA since 2014

  • @ArsOnOl2222
    @ArsOnOl2222 2 роки тому

    I would love to see what killed dinosaur

    • @ArsOnOl2222
      @ArsOnOl2222 2 роки тому +1

      Other than the meteor

    • @CardmarketYGO
      @CardmarketYGO  2 роки тому +2

      I can't think of a good reason, must be something miscellaneouasaurus 🤷‍♂️
      - Adam

  • @Aleksriku
    @Aleksriku 2 роки тому

    Without having it watched🤨, I can say for sure, Cyberdark/edgy zaneboy was not the reason at all
    🙈😂

  • @CaptainCarter44
    @CaptainCarter44 2 роки тому

    Talk about kozmos!

  • @SloopYGO
    @SloopYGO 2 роки тому +2

    say the line guys

  • @sammydray5919
    @sammydray5919 2 роки тому +2

    I know BA is kinda dead but I absolutely despise Cherubini. Foolish burial for cost is a stupid idea and should never be a thing. "Costs" like that are beyond broken should never be made on principle 😑

    • @Magikey
      @Magikey 2 роки тому

      Even Rusty Bardiche is insane. I despise it.

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 роки тому

      Boy, have you heard of mathmech circular? It was just added to master duel.

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 Рік тому

      @@Ragnarok540 yes and that is also stupid despite spright being the top deck. Just not a fan of "costs" like that

  • @drewmantheoriginal
    @drewmantheoriginal Рік тому

    I think the biggest problem with BA is the fact that it is so xenophobic. It makes it harder to take advantage of new support engines and cards. You have very limited options to keep your BA’s alive.

  • @agungsitanggang5172
    @agungsitanggang5172 2 роки тому

    Keep this series please 🥺 like pepe

  • @RedMage8BT
    @RedMage8BT 2 роки тому

    you only ever use the fusion if Beatrice gets destroyed
    Also it's not really as xenophobic as you're making it out to be. All you have to do is link into Cherubini and then you have a sanctuary for your BAs. Getting rid of the xenophobia doesn't really make the deck better because it's kind of all about playing around that. Letting them get destroyed to trigger their effects.

  • @julian354
    @julian354 2 роки тому

    This was a cool video but it doesn’t make much sense as a segment with a name and all. There is not an extensive list of decks and archetypes that were playable in different and unique ways for a super long time just by the nature of the game. You kinda hit the main one here. I guess there is stuff like water and gb, but unless u are talking about a deck that got some legacy support and it’s meta relevance was segmented accordingly, I think there aren’t that many good ideas to fit the topic.

  • @tsaad41
    @tsaad41 2 роки тому

    Can't wait for farfa to react to this, let's see if the BA has died or if we will still ask the eternal question.
    Why the BA no die?

    • @vo1ce147
      @vo1ce147 2 роки тому +1

      Or just cl 1 cir target dante cl 2 dante target troll despair

  • @SpyralRiz
    @SpyralRiz Рік тому

    You skipped over one of the biggest reasons BA suffered from master rule 4 with no BA link untill cherubini the deck was unplayable because making a link monster meant all your main deck BA monsters immediately died upon summon so being able to summon monsters at all was more the issue without cherubini the deck would have been essentially executed by Konami by the mechanics of the game changing this same phenomenon was prevalent with D/D/D aswell master rule 4 killed plenty of decks to fix the problems with the pendulum mechanic BA was just collateral damage in that sense

  • @Knight-oq9ys
    @Knight-oq9ys 2 роки тому +1

    Burning abyss needs more spells and traps. They only got 4 lol

  • @GRtogetaBIC
    @GRtogetaBIC Рік тому

    I fell like one particular youtuber/streamer should have been there in the video

  • @thethieson
    @thethieson 2 роки тому

    Gigachad thumbnail game 👌

  • @thegameguardian103
    @thegameguardian103 2 роки тому

    Then you have there neighbour archetype which is Infernoid who have been solid since they released.

    • @vo1ce147
      @vo1ce147 2 роки тому

      Solid bricking

  • @hamster6216
    @hamster6216 2 роки тому +1

    CL1 cir target dante CL2 dante target sir never die saj

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 Рік тому

    “shoddolls nekroz burning abyss”
    and qliphort.

  • @SuperDio58
    @SuperDio58 2 роки тому

    Short answer is: because there was a non BA on your field