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- This is a comments response video to the most controversial video on this channel: 10 Common Slavery Myths. People have commented in droves, and it is about time to highlight some of the lunacy to be found down there.
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The best thing about free speech, Everyone has a voice. The worst thing about free speech, Everyone has a voice.
Flaccid Ween The II we need Stalin
I guess shitty people having the right to say whatever they want is worth good people having the right to say whatever they want
Verzorgern nah bruh I’m not tryna die of starvation or get sent to spread imperialism across Eastern Europe or get thrown in a labor camp
Democracy is the worst forn of government. Except for all the others.
I am perfectly willing to put up with the latter as a cost of ensuring the former.
You know you're right when both sides call you propaganda.
Or wrong. It works both ways. Not that the narrator is wrong, just adding the other side of the coin to your comment.
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Facts 💯
Not necessary... The other side should debate with specific examples and facts. Not just blah, blah, blah...
Because his "propaganda" is an inconvenient truth.
"I am the descendant of an Irish slave" is the new "My great great great great great grandmother was a genuine Cherokee Princess"
As a resident of Oklahoma, holy FUCK do I hear that a lot from some very pastey people.
They weren't slaves they were indentured servants, which is similar to slavery, but less so than serfs.
Eric Chambers There IS no one single white race. There are several. And nobody has a problem with people celebrating their heritage. It’s just that doing so doesn’t need to mean resenting other people for trying to make space to celebrate theirs. And it shouldn’t.
Yuwan actually only in the colonies. In Europe they were owned and used as slaves. They were killed at the whim of a Englishman. They were cast out of their homes, had families broken up, every single thing that the slaves in the US went through. OO wait how about the potato famine, where there were ACTUALLY enough potatoes to go around, but they had to ship them to England to feed the English, and stave themselves (1,000,000 - 1,500,000 dead) SO please take your indentured servitude platitude and plant it with the potatoes. Yes I have Irish ancestry, but I do not hold the English today at fault at all. I do not agree with what happened to my ancestors, but that was then and this is now. I also do not agree with the slavery that was used in the US, but I will not fault my ancestors that fought on both sides of the civil war. That was then this is now.
The author here had a point and he did a good job a steering it, but if you use critical thinking skill you can see it is a propaganda piece. It is not factually incorrect, but it is biased.
I can go on, but I will say that the author did put more into it then many i have seen, and It is a relatively well done piece. Im not an alt-right ;) or even alt-left, but I do believe in being as accurate as possible. and to record history without bias if possible, Let the future look at it "in situ" as it is. people will always only see what they want anyway. Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal. Meaning that we do not really look for the truth, we tend to look for that which justifies our actions. When what we leave shows that, we do a disservice to ourselves and our future.....ok off the soap box sorry Yuwan for using your note here, but you are wrong. The rest was just what I was going to say anyway. Have a good one.
Kelly Alves Tell me of a single black race. Or a single oriental race. There are none. So tell me what space do any deserve over the rest to make a space for themselves? If all do not deserve them, do any? Just asking questions to make people think. btw, before you have a go at me, I believe in tolerance and equality. I believe in inclusiveness and I do not look at skin colour.
Actually, they're right. The Civil War WAS about states' rights. Their rights to own slaves, that is.
Even then, that's not entirely true. Prior to secession, the slave states advocated for the Fugitive Slave Law which removed free states' right to determine their own treatment of escaped slaves within their borders. And after secession, the Confederate Constitution took the right to determine who is an eligible voter away from the states and gave that determination to the Confederate government. Therefore, the Civil War was still only about _some states'_ rights. Specifically, states' rights to keep slavery legal, and states' right to manage their own international shipping so that they could legalize the slave trade if they wanted.
@@BradyPostma That's a really good point. I was mainly just making fun of Lost Causers but the 1850 Fugitive Slave Law created strong tensions between the North and the South
I mean, don't let me stop you from making fun of Lost Causers. But never bash them with mere style when you can bash them with substance!
This will sound like semantics, but States don't have rights. Nowhere in the Constitution, most notably the 10th Amendment, does it mention Federal nor States rights. The Feds and the States are delegated "powers", not rights. Those powers not delegated are retained by... the people, who own them in the first place. These "powers", both delegated and retained, exist to PROTECT rights, not to grant them, because rights are inherent. Even animals are allowed, in nature, to protect themselves and their property (Natural Law). And the Constitution, at the time, granted no powers to the Feds over slavery with the exception of ending the importation of slaves after 1808. What's more, the Constitution neither delegated secession power to the Feds, nor prohibited it to the States. Therefore, via the same 10th Amendment, the States by definition retained the power to secede from the Union. Yes I know the Supreme Court disagrees.
@@okboomer1241 Confederates disagree, too.
You say the feds had no powers over slavery, but that would imply that the federal Fugitive Slave Act would be unconstitutional in that federal law cannot exercise power over slavery.
Furthermore, if even animals are allowed by natural law to protect themselves and their property, then natural law allows slaves to protect themselves and their property from violation by their masters. Natural law, therefore, condemns slavery and any state that violates that natural law is an unnatural abomination that deserves to be obliterated. No passing or recinding of laws or constitutions can allow for slavery, and all those slave states entirely revoked their defense even before they seceded.
The Constitution does empower the federal government to put down rebellions. What exactly do you imagine the distinction is between a rebellion and secession of an armed state?
It's insane that you get called an SJW. You dismantled both Right Wing and Left Wing myths.
The people that do that are really hardcore nowadays. Thunderfoot of all people made a video criticizing Trump and his border wall and got called an SJW for it. Let that sink in a bit.
Slashbash buzzwords buzzwords it's the best, put your favorite UA-camrs to the test
Oh yeah. Same with TJ Kirk; he gets called an SJW all the time.
Me? I got called an SJW and a cuck just because I don't like Trump. Granted, this person tried to offend me by insulting HRC, even though I made it clear I don't like her either, so what can you do? I've also been called Alt-Right before I even know what the Alt-Right was.
Slashbash what's sjw?
James Brazil That stands for Social Justice Warrior
You made a very important point about bias. Everyone has bias, yet the intent to expose the truth was the point of that video and all of our videos. Journalists get a bad rap today, as they all called "biased." However, duh. Historians are biased, too. However, while we research and question often what we are most passionate about, ultimately our integrity lies in discovering what really happened. Journalists and historians care more about being proven right than trying to persuade people to join their "side."
The truth can be biased as well, there are after some things that don´t allow for much interpretation like the Beginning of Humanity.
It is important to be aware that everyone has some bias - if a historian for example believes himself to be absolutely unbiased, it just means he or she will not examine or recognize her own bias. Truth can result when people of different biases research the same thing, provided they are actual researchers with intellectual rigor, not just propagandists, of course.
Mr. Beat If they are good journalists and historians then yes. Several journalists today often reports blantant lies. That is because big news channels care now more about ratings and money then facts. Ofcourse there is still several journalists that still report the truth as best of their abilty.
With the current political division of the US more and more publications are going more political than traditional. Trying to use information rather than just report it, or they cherry pick their info to try and create an issue where there is none.
love your videos!
What's crazy when people bring up the "small" percentage of slave owners is that they don't think about the ENTIRE MARKET that it takes to regulate that system. Auctioneers, drivers, carters, bounty hunters; the outposts, ships, and every thing else needed to run that business. But I guess no one's ancestors were any of those either.
Slavery was practised through out the world Africans Arabs Jews romans the list goes on.
It does not make it right.
The lot of the poor European was terrible they faced famine and harsh punishment including hanging for minor offenses.
It was no wonder that à brutalised white European felt no empathy for a black person it was the way things were .
I5 should be noted that Christianity played a great part in condoning slavery and also trying to abolish it.
@@julianwaugh8221 "It was no wonder that à brutalised white European felt no empathy for a black person" I could see that point, I mean today most Americans don't care about the slavery we engage in when we buy stuff like computer parts and chocolate, a lot of people know, we just couldn't care less. We consider our troubles more important than those who aren't part of our tribe. Hell we don't even care about our neighbors, people within our own tribe.
Oh, you know it 😏 Not a single ancestor. "They *all* arrived _after_ the abolishment of slavery", but also, somehow, fought in every war in American history... 😂 True patriots. Red, white, and blue running through their veins. 🙃
I'm a veteran as well. Matter fact, still serving. I understand and know this history. What's done is done. They need to stop with this revisionist history 🙄😤
People try to make this shxt palatable. Sick
You make an amazing point!!
I'm of Irish decent, and have studied history most of my life (beginning in elementary school ...I'm 60 years old now). The Irish were subject to much discrimination when they first began coming to America in large numbers. Yes, many Irish became indentured servants, but THAT isn't slavery. Neither is rthere any proof whatsoever that any Irish immegrants were slaves, a myth that is less than a quarter-century old. Thank you for trying to dispell the myths you listed.
And in England up to mid 20th Century. Rooms would often not be let to blacks or Irish. It's just shocking.
@@OZZIESPOCK That still happens to Black folks here in the United States.
Fyrch Myrddin, could you back your statement up then?
You should search about the history of Scottish slavery. Not only did they took part in the slave trade but also over 100,000 Scottish people were sold as slaves not just in Arab countries but also in the American colonies by the English and there own countrymen
@@michaelmcgowen8780 U BE WOKE!
I think it really stood mentioning that slavery was generational. If you were a slave, your children were slaves, their children will be slaves, etc. and you had no idea when or if your freedom will ever be granted. You lived with slaves, you ate as a slave, slept as a slave, married as a slave, probably would die as a slave. Your value and your family's value to the society endorsing your enslavement extended only as far as your usefulness as a tool and no farther. And even if you were freed, that is no guarantee that you would remain free as you could be captured and sold back into slavery anyways. There is simply no analog to the cruelty and degradation of slavery.
Yeah, I think the most messed up thing about American slavery was the racial aspect, because even if you escaped slavery, your skin colour pretty much designated you as a slave. If you were black in the South, you didn't have rights even if you weren't a slave, and you could just be kidnapped and forced into slavery and there was nothing you could do about it.
The photo of the whipped slave was an American slave named Gordon and he came from Louisiana. He actually joined the Army and lived until 1907. Don't know why but when you said people were saying that was from the Congo or that it wasn't real I got pissed off because I knew his name.
A thing we fail to understand about the past is that physical punishment was common. Here in Sweden, farm owners retained their right to physically punish their employees until 1920! Military and school physical punishments were routine. But there are degrees to this; in most cases there were limits how far this could go in punishing servants. Just as with indenture vs slavery, its a matter of degrees - and slaves had much less if any legal protections, owners could kill their slaves in many jurisdictions. I am making the informed guess that the reason the photo of Gordon was taken and retained and has become famous was because even at the time, his scarring was the result of physical punishment considered morally unacceptable.
Can you do a "10 myths about native americans" talking both about them in general and also myths about confrontations with white settlers, I know very little on the subject so it would be much appreciated.
Step Back History has done a few episodes along that vein (though without the confrontation aspect). I encourage you to go check those out.
Basically not all of them were peace loving hippies, Europeans did take advantage of most tribes, some tribes used Europeans to take advantage of other tribes, it’s complex. It’s very which group of people you are talking about dependent and your views on what is moral.
@Kookkie Bird being a person who was raised in a Native American home I can tell you we had no concept of ownership of land or resources. If you are insecure of your identity as an American that falls into the catagory of your problem.
@Kookkie Bird These types of truths ( truths that debunk popular misconceptions ) are not commonly taught. Not only did they move in but in many places they committed genocide on the existing indigenous population. In other places the peoples merged. Such is the nature of human kind world wide.. Nearly all inhabited land on this planet is inhabited by peoples that displaced pre-existing populations.
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We don't know what happened to the clovis culture people, although it appears they may have moved to South America. There may have been a massacre, or a glaciation. We don't know.
We have at least some evidence that the people we call First Nations have been here for thousands of years.
www.history.com/news/oldest-mummy-discovery-spirit-cave-shoshone
Of course we're all originally from Africa, so...
Conspiracy theorists aren't just the bane of historians' existence, they're the bane of _everyone_ interested in intellectual discourse on even a basic level.
So true in 2021
Being a fan of the scientific and historical fields conspiracy theories are my least favorite because they throw out existing facts and spout nonesense
That video is how I first found your channel. Absolutely love your content dude, and you strike a good balance in your assessment of the past.
Oliver Cromwell Did Nothing Wrong same here
I also found him through that video. I admired his ability to reason and his level headed approach to things, so I decided to give him a subscribe.
Ask the Irish if Cromwell did nothing wrong
Gotta agree. I was actually amazed to find a reasonably factual historian or reporter/journalist in a world where people are so politically charged that you can't speak an opinion without being shouted as a racist, or tell fact without being called a bigot =/
Olly:
It's not true. Oliver had his first son in line to become Lord-Protector instead of his competent last son. He was also just as religiously bigoted as those he fought. As far as his failings go, he is still one of my idols. Did you know hew was one of those rare generals that NEVER lost a battle? Ulysses Grant too.
I don't approve of the way he treated the Irish, however.
I thought there were few points about the "cruelty" description of American Chattel slavery. It seemed to be confined to the cruelty "on the job" by the slave drivers (vs factory owners and indentured title holders).
Even "kind" slave owners, were still known to sell off children and wives of said slaves. Imagine someone having the right to sell off your family. That alone is a level of cruelty not even approached by factory owners and indentured servant title owners.
The plot of 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' is started because Arthur Shelby (one of the 'kind' slave owners) has debts. Tom can do a bit of reading, writing, and arithmetic, which makes him more valuable than any other slave on the farm. Harry, Eliza's only surviving son, is an appealing little chap.
Eliza has lost every one of her previous children. They died in infancy. She WILL NOT lose this one. She grabs Harry and flees, stopping on the way to tell Tom what's happening.
Tom doesn't run. He knows his value, and figures that it's better that his one family (he has two children) be broken up than that many families be destroyed to make up the price he would fetch. Oh, he hates the idea of being sold. (Throughout the book, he never sacrifices his moral compass and ultimately dies rather than betray two escaped slaves who are living in an unused floor of their abusive master's house.)
*"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"*
- _Adam Savage, Mythbuster(s)_
D: i miss mythbusters
@@radioblitz1494 I know every generation claims this, but Zoomers really grew up with the best media! Our cartoons will never be topped: Avatar, ninjago, Regular Show, Teen Titans!, Ben 10, ect. We had shows like Mythbusters, dirtiest jobs, The Presidents Series. We have Indie grow from a genre to an umbrella term with Indie Pop and rock. We have decent Alt too. We live in the hight of the internet. Hopefully Alphas get to live in the space age.
In terms of the cause of the civil war, it's best to imagine slavery as the roots and stem of the plant, and the branches coming from it raise multiple other issues that were always debated in America's discourse between its parties, such as states rights their roles. Slavery is the skeleton that supported the rest of the south to which other issues arose, the foundation of it
Good analogy. Just take the conflict about tariffs as a example. It's rooted in the fundamental difference between the northern and southern economies, which is in turn rooted in slavery. Basically every quarrel between the North and the South in some way relates back to slavery.
No, lincolnism is best the root cause of the civil war.
You are both right. States Rights as to determine their own destiny and the economy which was being strangled by the North and pushed on by Lincoln. Look up the Tariff of Abomination imposed on the South on imported goods and raw materials. It was created to protect the businesses up North. President Adams supported but Martin Van Buren didn't. Here is some
'The reductions were too little for South Carolina. In November 1832 the state called for a convention.[citation needed] By a vote of 136 to 26, the convention overwhelmingly adopted an ordinance of nullification drawn by Chancellor William Harper.[citation needed] It declared that the tariffs of both 1828 and 1832 were unconstitutional and unenforceable in South Carolina.[17] While the Nullification Crisis would be resolved with a compromise known as the Tariff of 1833, tariff policy would continue to be a national political issue between the Democratic Party and the newly emerged Whig Party for the next twenty years.[citation needed]'
Here is the link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations
@@joshmaeder8897 No, Lincoln was simply the catalyst. The conditions were mostly present before Lincoln. Slavery is the root cause, as either directly alluded to in the secession speeches of the states, or as it correlates to the various economic factors.
@@michaelroper8448 except slavery wasn't an issue as far as the Civil War was concerned until about halfway through
Politics ruin everything. I LOVED that Slavery myths video, and all those political douchbags spewing propaganda ruined it.
pub rules...no religion, no war and definitely no politics talk
It's a bit misleading to say that the French banned slavery before the British did. Though it may be technically true, the practice was re-legalised a decade later under Napoleon, and it wasn't until a while after the British abolition that the French finally got rid of it for good (I think it was about 15 years).
Russia's abolition wasn't exactly as clear-cut either, all "freed" slaves had to remain as serfs, which though better, still wasn't ideal.
Yes, but same could be said about the 1833 abolition in Britain, given their continued coerced indenturing of Indians and debt bondage. As of 2010 (when a documentary was made on the subject), two of those servants were still alive. But that's the thing, we can't quibble over the definition here. Serfdom, indenture, or whatever still aren't slavery. Oh and France bringing it back doesn't take away from the fact that they ended it it before Britain. There's also a bunch of countries in the HRE that abolished it way earlier, but the entire HRE is just weird in terms of sovereignty.
France also only abolished it officially during one of the last liberal mood swings right before things got all choppy. Sonthonax freed the slaves, but he only did it after rival Haitian generals did it themselves and he needed the manpower for his own army. As a representative of the French Government, his counted.
still, the dutch were first of them all
@@scaryfaced1 One government official working in the capacity of duties freeing those in his charge isn't the same are defining a national law of his country.
@@NearioNL No, they weren't.. it was abolished only in 1863, after Denmark, Britain and France had already done it.
The Dutch had a bunch of "firsts" in history but ending slavery wasn't one of them
Can we please stop calling these people conspiracy theorists and call them what they are..uneducated liars.
The problem boils down to the simple fact, TRUTH HURTS
one of best comments that read in a long time
They may be delusional or other factors. Disagreeing with respect is badly needed (all sides). Us and them mentality will doom the human species.
@@georgemoore2226 This George agrees with you
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Isn't "conspiracy theorist" and "uneducated liar" the same thing?
On Whites ending slavery and the North: you should do a video on the history of the Republican Party. I think some folks might be shocked on the different ideologies on slavery in the party
And a companion video to the ideological shift between the Republicans and Democrats post 1960's.
Grindstone Yeah he should but it started in the 40’s
The actual views of Lincoln on race would surprise most people who have been misinformed about him. He was a staunch racial segregationist who strongly believe that whites and blacks could not and should not cohabit the same environs. He thoughts that blacks should have their own country, either in Africa or Central America.
Grindstone That never really happened. The only reason minorities started to vote Democrat over Republican was bc the Dems began to hand out free benefits to them starting in the 30’s and catering to them, while the Reps weren’t offering anything. The Dems realized that if minorities are gonna have the right to vote, they might as well vote Democrat, hence the pandering and babying of minorites that even continues to this very day( Affirmative Action, Diversity propagand/inforcement, etc,)
Thomas Zaccone The Democrats also founder the KKK
On Marx and "wage slavery": Marx clearly distinguished between the two, and the importance of workers supporting the liberation of slaves. As matter of fact, he and Engels used their influence in the English labor movement to support the Union. This was particularly important because Britain came very close to intervening in support of the Confederacy.
Thank. You.
I don't Britain think did come close to supporting the Confederacy, other than allowing their commerce raiders to be build in British shipyards. The British government got very angry when a US officer acted without authorisation and snatched two CSA envoys off a British flagged vessel, but that was an issue separate from supporting the South as a matter policy. Talk of war was stopped by US diplomacy and releasing the envoys to go on their mission to Britain and France.
The important point is that no envoy from the Confederacy got a single audience with anyone in Britain with high-level authority. Not once. Britain eventually got the cotton it wanted from other countries, so the southern cotton embargo failed. Some sections of the upper class were sympathetic to the confederacy, but the British working class were pretty disgusted with the idea of nation founded on the institution of slavery. Not even the early threat of unemployment due to an initial cotton shortage moved public opinion enough for the British government to commence diplomatic relations with the CSA.
About “white guilt:”
None of us is responsible for the actions of our forebears. Yet, when we knowingly profit in the present for the wrongs committed by our forebears in the past, the feelings of guilt will likely arise when we are honest in our hearts.
Yo! Just wanted to drop a note and let you know that your vid on slavery has to be the most informative and articulate piece on the subject. Love your sense of humor and the amount of research you put into it. Much love brodie keep it up
This video is a combination of him trying to hold back anger and hold back laughter and I love it
It's so sad that your videos are so underviewed. I appreciate your dedication to historical accuracy and I pray you proceed in your field unhindered. I personally hope you respond to my comments more often, but if you don't, I'll understand it as my comments being uncontroversial. Politics is politics, and I can't blame you for playing the crowd. Please focus on your dedication to accurate history rather than replying or 'shouting out' your commentators.
I genuinely had no idea that some people thought United States created slavery and that some more thought whites ended slavery. I didn't really understand what you meant on the latter until you basically said whites were not the first people to ban slavery
I could understand the whites ending slavery one, but not the other one
@@DamianLopez-td3rc course whites didn’t end slavery, there still is slavery in the world
On bias and sources. Everyone has a bias to some extent. It's to do with your environment and how you're raised. Now I would call myself slightly more to the right than left, but that doesn't mean I automatically reject a challenging perspective. I make it a point of pride to view both sides to the coin when it mainly comes to politics. Because I know for a fact I will never fully understand everything. I just want to understand enough to not sound like the fool. Please keep it up, videos such as this are unfortunately needed.
No one should feel guilt for the actions of their parent, sibling, spouse or child, let alone for the actions of others who merely share their ethnicity, gender, or anything else. People who perpetuate the notion of collective guilt are themselves hateful misanthropes.
True, but consequences will remain at times. Not for nothing the Bible implies, that kids will pay for the sins of their 'fathers'(ancestors). It happens.
I can think of various exceptions when it comes to children.
@@BlacksmithTWD Including who? And why?
@@Agonal I suspect @BlacksmithTWD was thinking of situations like, “I abused my child and my child grew up to be an abuser,” or even if you were a sibling who abused their other siblings, for that matter. Sometimes people just do fucked up things, even when their family tried to raise them well, but if you had an active hand in shaping someone’s behavior for the worse (and we know there is a clear connection between being abused and later being an abuser), you have responsibility, and would feel some guilt if you have any amount of humanity.
As a fellow nerd, I appreciate your efforts to present pure data without emotional bias. As I'm sure you're aware, there are hidden historical events everywhere. You should read the diaries of freed men during the Civil War Era.
I want to congratulate you on presenting an extremely well-researched video. I have physically read some of the texts which you used as a history major and can verify a number of your statements. In the British Caribbean, you can examine the Masters and Servants Act as well as immigration laws which followed Emancipation and Indentureship. You've got my sub! Cheers! This is a breath of fresh air.
It’s not that they want to live in their version of reality, it’s that they aren’t smart enough to question the reality their parents have infected them with.
tanks
Could also be the media
Why does it always have to be the parents? Hey we try hard to teach our kids right. Kids do what they’re gonna do and are influenced by their peers and society including the media wayyy more than their parents in a lot of cases.
@@prissylovejoy702 I get what you're saying but it is taught by parents or people who are close to the kids.. Generational
Just so you know, I got a wonderful Prager U ad while watching this video 🤦♂️
Well I'm in the process of watching your educational video, 10 Common Slavery Myths. I am 68. History was so boring for me in school. Therefore videos like yours and others are very educational. Humanity has done many atrocious things and still doing them today. It's very sad. It really can hurt the heart to learn of the horrors of slavery, but it hurt slaves more and I want to learn. So thanks for the video's. I could be wrong but from working in a warehouse for 13 years I can see racism is still going on in life. At the Christmas holiday season they walk potential applicants through the warehouse. I'm watching as the people go by several times a day. There are at least twice as many African Americans coming through for jobs. That is not a racist statement. It's enlightenment to me of modern day racism. And I read negative statistics about African Americans. I posted it long ago on my Facebook. And after I put how I understood the negativity. First society won't give enough jobs to African Americans and then they label them with lazy, thieves, looters etc. Well I'd like to know of any human being that was prevented from having jobs, housing and food and normal life items to survive what would we do? The exact thing!! If you cause people to be desperate one will do whatever they can do to survive. I just wish people cared more about humanity as a whole!
I respect the work you've done on this and the original video 👍🏾🍻
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@@EpicGamerino oh
When I first saw the video thumbnail my first thoughts were "Oh god its gonna be one of those Alt-Right chaps" But low and behold.
BadMouseProductions Wasn't expecting to see you here Badmouse, you definitely should watch Cynical Historian's videos, they're quite enjoyable
BadMouseProductions I thought the same
hay its bad mouse i like you're work cypher makes some cool videos if you're into history
BadMouseProductions could you define alt-right?
BadMouseProductions That is what I was thinking. There are quite a few.
I know this video is old and you might not see this but thanks for making that vid. As somebody from the south I always felt history, no matter how dark and depraved, should be told as it happened. We should face it, improve, and move forward. (Also I don’t hate the North or the South. Just someone who enjoys history)
I've absolutely no issuses with anything in this or the other video, I find ALL of your work informative & unbiased. Thank you!
"Low IQ trash, you just accept what you hear on jewtube. cuck" is my favourite comment of all time
Some of these points can be summed up with the phrase "slave owners weren't uniformly cruel, but there was nothing legally stopping from cruelty" That is to say, Slavery allowed for worse treatment than indentured servitude or employment, and while this didn't mean most slaveowners were violent and abusive, it did mean it could and did happen. 12 Years a slave is incorrect not in the events themselves, but in ascribing the events to a single person. It's a Forrest Gump of slave narratives, only being a GOOD movie.
Roots simplifies things, including African conflicts and European exploitation of said conflicts. Thus with the Europeans being mainly responsible for the slave trade, it's illustrated with Europeans capturing Kunta Kinte. It is a bit redundant given that the cruelty and oppression by the European societies is illustrated well in the narrative, but it creates a more unified narrative, especially as you would have to show the negotiations between the Europeans and Africans, the political relationships, etc. Indeed, the horrific part of American slavery was the stripping of social and political identity as well as individual: that's probably why the indigenous African people is never identified. In some cases slaves were able to pass down their origins, or escape slavery and reclaim their former identity (one escaped slave passed himself off as a North African king to earn a living) , but for the most part there's a reason it's called Black History Month and not African as the nature of American slavery destroyed any connections to the home people.
I don't get the criticism of the same video explaining that while Europeans didn't begin slavery, they didn't end it first either. Like they assume that if you're not excoriating one side that means you support it.
This is vividly demonstrated in the Civil War: the Union didn't fight to end slavery, the Confederacy fought to protect it. They were fighting for very different reasons. The Patriot colonists in the American Revolution were fighting for independence, while the Royalist native Americans opposing them were fighting for upholding land boundaries.
@@Tareltonlives I would say that all slave owners were inherently cruel.
It's obviously true that some slave owners would have been more reasonable and less harsh, but at the end of the day, they were only kind if their slaves were obedient. Any kind of resistance was met with punishment.
And when you look at this way, any kindness towards slaves from their masters was simply a tool to keep them line. The carrot and the stick. Resist and we will torture you. Obey and we will be kind.
What youtuber was he actually talking about at the beginning? Around 1:57
To the Cynical Historian, i will give you mad props for tackling a divisive subject like Chattel slavery, but i am afraid your attempts to set the record straight will fall on deaf ears especially with people who needs to be educated on this subject. You get mad respect from me.
The problem with fighting conspiracy theories is that because they are not based on facts they aren't very receptive to them either...it so often feels like you're screeming into the void and I agree, mad respect for tackeling it head on.
You hit the nail on the head when you said these comments are "people not wanting to be challenged" and that's the reason their responses are so emotional. Really, it should be recognized that the more emotional a topic makes you the less objective you are capable of being about it.
Been catching up since finding your channel, wanted to say now that comments are disabled on your slavery myths video - your work was excellent. As often, absolutely excellent work. Cheers, mate
One of the worst problems the US has anti-intellectualism.
As well the Dunning Kruger effect of wannabe intellectuals.
Slightly related, but I'd really like to see your take on
"Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond.
that would be an interesting video. But I have a feeling there's likely very little to discredit or prove wrong in that book?
It's something i meant to read myself for a while but never got to it. Is it good?
I second this. Would love to hear your thoughts on GG&S!
He just made this video! And it's a pretty memorable one ua-cam.com/video/2OQmvRUdr3U/v-deo.html
@@fastestdino2 - I found it interesting. In the foreword, Diamond himself says his book is intended to spark research into his idea, not that he has found The Answer. He tried to answer the question a Papuan friend had asked about how Europeans came to dominate the world.
@@fastestdino2 It is actually very good. I happened to pick it up from a “take a book leave a book” street library and I devoured it. Many people focus on only color which is a huge issue in understanding why slavery ever happened. It explains the differences in white settlements vs black settlements, the progression of technology, weapons and disease in white settlements caused an extreme culture shock when presented with the nomadic hunter gatherer tribes that existed in Africa led to the idea of these groups of people being “inferior”, “savage”, “unintelligent”. But he points out that it goes both ways. You could take a black hunter gatherer and smack them into industrialized white society and they would seem to follow that narrative, but you could also take a white citizen and smack them in the middle of the jungle and the same truth would stick. They would have no knowledge of how to hunt, which plants would kill you and which would heal you, how to escape predators, etc. Both sides were both just so culturally different, and then add in the fact that they had no immunity to the various diseases that white settlements gained their own immunity for that when you come from a big city and find people seemingly scrounging to survive, living in huts and then you witness them start dropping like flies (unknowingly due to your arrival), it encouraged the idea that they were “inferior”, “helpless”, “weak”, everything that still goes into modern racism that has evolved to be based on color rather than cultural differences now that we all exist within the same culture and skill sets. I highly suggest it! It’s always important to understand the roots of every issue instead of jumping to conclusions and forcing your own narrative on an issue. That’s the only way to solve problems.
So I was going to leave a comment on the original video u made but the comment section was turned off.
All I wanted to say was thx for ur video cuz we need more sources of real history like ur last video so keep it up brotha
People don't know how to behave and I wanted to say this on your first video but couldn't: I really appreciated it. I got the opportunity to take AP US History and we're currently learning about slavery, the civil war, etc. and I'm really glad I was able to take it because it made me realize how misinformed I was/how little I knew about slavery in America. Anyway my point is I found your 10 myths about slavery video, really liked it, and I'm subbing now because I can appreciate a guy who uses Diogenes as his avatar
"Truth doesn't care about your bias" needs to be a shirt, a bumper sticker, and just...I would put it everywhere.
BOY does this statement ring even more true today even than it did 5 months ago when you first made it! Get those shirts printed up pronto and send me the link to buy it!
PragerU accuses the left of this. Yes, the alt-right are so nutters they seriously think people who live in reality are actually the ones that are 'biased'. Sad really. If that statement did appear in a shirt or bumper sticker or w/e, the alt-right would be sporting it as much, if not more, than the left. We may even see shirts and bumper stickers claiming its a quote from Dennis Prager (which in a way it is, he DID technically say it).
@@lXBlackWolfXl A reality that barely mentions the slavery in the colonies above the mason-dixon line
A coffee mug!
Considering the amount that the right has used that in bad faith, I don't think this would give the right message
I love what you're doing. Well sourced, informative. Just love it. History is history, facts are facts. Well done.
“If you think that bias means incorrect, then you need to figure out a better definition of truth.”
Words do live by.
Yes, until you find out the jury in your criminal trial is bias against you - then, suddenly, you change your tune.
Thank you for helping me get my facts straightened out!!!! Much appreciated and also love how you clapped back with this video towards all the haters who can’t handle the truth!!!🙏🏻🙌🏽👌🏽❤️😊
Re: Brazil (or maybe South America in general) being the largest slave importer; I have Shenkman’s American Myths and Legends. According to the chapter on that, the reason that they were the greatest importers is because conditions were SO bad that damn, their slaves just kept *dying* on them. The nerve!
Whereas in NA, the conditions were...ummmm....good enough that slaves lived longer, and actually had children, thereby keeping the domestic “supply” up.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
That was mostly due to the nature of slavery on the South American coast and in the Caribbean. Sugarcane farming and processing was by far the most brutal occupation a regular slave could have. Horrendous conditions and occupational hazards made it incredibly deadly, and thus required the most barbaric incentives from the slave drivers to force the slaves to work.
It also required a lot more slaves to be profitable, so colonies like Haiti and Jamaica (which mostly existed for the sole purpose of generating revenue through sugar, molasses, and rum via sugarcane plantations) were like 90% slave, 5% mixed or free black, and 5% creole white… so the demographics in the colonies were very different from North American counterparts.
There is a reason why Haiti was the first and only nation in the Western Hemisphere established via a slave revolution. The first is that there was that ridiculously unbalanced demographic ratio between slaves and freemen, and the aforementioned conditions. The second is that France sucked at administering its colonies… especially during the revolutionary and Napoleonic era.
So in the US the southern economy, while still dependent on slavery, wasn’t dependent on a single resource intensive cash crop like sugarcane. Tobacco, indigo, cotton, and rice didn’t require nearly as many man-hours per slave to succeed, and also weren’t as profitable. So slave owners in the US really couldn’t afford to work their slaves to death, and instead focused on creating generations of slaves.
my people will never be free...
Good job on both videos, it's the reason I subscribed. Keep up the good work
One thing I really enjoyed about the original video was that it debunked myths from both sides-it proves that the channel is focused on proof and fact, not pushing an agenda. The south did secede to preserve slavery, but the union didn't exactly fight to end it, either.
Your usual great job CH, thank you for all of your hard work.
Oh yeah, liberal man!? Well I have ancestors from the Big Bang tymes and they say me that there were white slaves before the Big Beng and it consested of all mankind living at the tym so not onli there were white slaves in great quantities but they were present before the Big Beng tymes too.
How awful #10 is depends a lot on context. On it's own saying "white people should be honored for ending slavery" is pretty insidious. Saying it in response to someone blaming white people for slavery... eh? If you can't honor a race can you really blame them? We had to debunk America inventing slavery or a reason.
Either way I have to praise this video and the original a lot. They're easily the most nuanced look on the subject I've ever seen.
Well "White" people didn't invented slavery, they just brought it to a whole new level.
Yuwan Exactly.
@Erich Chambers
Aren’t many “leftists” anti-imperialism too?
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 How exactly white people brought slavery to a whole new level ?
@@valmeysien9680 well to put it simply they made it to a industrial style economy and made it a race thing.
Thought ironically the Medieval Church made it illegal to enslave Christians so the New worlders said "we need more muscle where can we find it without offending scripture, oh Africa lets buy tons of Tribes men there. "
I'd love to see you do a video on the history of slavery in Australia. It's a whole dark side of our history that too many people don't know about. The Eureka Stockade is also fascinating. I have some movie recommendations too: Breaker Morant, and Gallipoli. They're both considered Australian cinematic classics, and I'd love to see your reaction to their historical accuracy.
Brutal, well weighted, articulate and effective.
I'd never want to raise my hand in Prof' Cypher' lecture without a thought out question.
I am American, partly Irish, and embarrassed to admit that I was raised with the "Irish were slaves taken to the US" myth. But even then Irish who were in indentured servitude were not made out to be the same as Africans taken into chattel slavery. As I grew up and read about the difference between even life long indentured servitude versus African slavery in the US, it was obvious to me that the two were nowhere near the same. One of the best things I read that pointed out how incredibly different the two were was that an Irishman who escaped identured servitude (as in ran away, not completed their contract) had a significantly better chance of not being returned to complete their contract than a black slave had to being returned to their master or being sold again. Obviously, in the US it's much easier for a white person to blend in with "free" then for a black person. And, of course, indentured servants had the ability to sue if you owner of their contract did not abide by it. No actual slaves would have been able to sue if they weren't considered to be full people, let alone citizens. To those who may have been raised with this myth as well and still believe it, I encourage you to read up with an open mind. That's part of growing up, learning the sometimes-uncomfortable truth. If you refuse to believe the truth, then I'm afraid there's not much that can be done for you.
Thanks for the interesting videos! I will be subscribing. Please keep up the great work!
To be fair, TheReddPerkins, Irish-Americans and Irish people have had such divergent experiences over the last 200 years that the Irish in America have essentially forgotten our roots as oppressed, empathetic people and instead embraced whiteness and white supremacy, ironically.
There's a reason Irishmen tend to call Irish-Americans "plastic paddies."
The Irish in America (more right-leaning, conservative-friendly) and the Irish in Ireland (more left-leaning, socialist-friendly) have essentially gone down different paths. As such, the Irish in America want to minimize our role in racist oppression of black people via slavery, Jim Crow, policing, race riots, etc. by playing oppression olympics with our Hibernian cousins across the pond we don't genuinely have a bond with anymore.
There's a really good book on this called "How The Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev that traces this transition of the Irish in America from oppressed underclass to all-American whiteness. The book opens with a quote from Frederick Douglass: "The Irish, who, at home, readily sympathize with the oppressed everywhere, are instantly taught when they step upon our soil to hate and despise the Negro...Sir, the Irish-American will one day find out his mistake."
In fact, one of the most telling examples of how fucked up this attempt to use the Irish as a cudgel against black people is how actual Irish activists IN Ireland readily support movements such as Black Lives Matter. Thousands of Irishmen in Dublin marched in solidarity with BLM a year or two ago.
Likewise, Bernadette Devlin - a widely respected Irish freedom fighter who was present at the Bloody Sunday Massacre in 1972 - visited NYC and had some pretty harsh words about Irish-Americans:
"My people-the people who knew about oppression, discrimination, prejudice, poverty and the frustration and despair that they produce- were not Irish Americans. They were black, Puerto Ricans, Chicanos. And those who were supposed to be ‘my people’, the Irish Americans who knew about English misrule and the Famine and supported the civil rights movement at home, and knew that Partition and England were the cause of the problem, looked and sounded to me like Orangemen. They said exactly the same things about blacks that the loyalists said about us at home. In New York I was given the key to the city by the mayor, an honor not to be sneezed at. I gave it to the Black Panthers."
Arden Handy, being fine with having white skin and embracing "whiteness" (white identity/white supremacy) are two fundamentally different concepts.
To be perfectly frank, the concept of whiteness can kiss my paddy ass. I'm not going to embrace an ideology that oppressed my ancestors so it can continue to oppress others.
WildWestSamurai The author was wrong on saying that whites were only indentured servants. That might have been true on the whole in the US, but back in Ireland they were oppressed lower then serfs. The author did not note the killings, the famines, the burnings, the brandings, etc.....the same type of thing that was done to slaves here happened in Ireland over a 1200 year period at the hands of the English. That is one of the biggest faults I find with this work.
@@DaleHartley although you should also recognize that many many Irishmen served in the British forces over those centuries and yes you can say economic oppression etc but even in WW2 of course a not insignificant number did. That was different to the US experience where bar a very small number at the end of the ACW, black Americans did not fight either for the pre war Union or the CSA
@@joseeguizabal6712 If you mean PIRA then they have stopped that fight a while ago
The number one problem in our society is that people feel instead of think.
(I see this was two years ago but here we go...) The number one problem in our society is that people don't understand their own emotions. We all spend years learning how to be logical and how to "think clearly" but we spend very little learning about our emotions, both personally and more generally. People remove emotionality from issues because they don't understand it and it's easier to ignore feelings than it is to deal with them. It's a skill that people need to practise.
The sign of a good political video is when you piss off the extreme right and the extreme left. That will generally show your video is well-balanced and neutral.
I appreciate this review; watched it immediately after the original. This was all great. Your a scholar. You are reporting on history. History can be inaccurate, but as a proper scholar, you make note of that fact. Your report is simply history, and there's a lot of info here upon which I have been happily educated.
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the effort you make to present an objective and balanced perspective. We need more of that in our world.
UA-cam comments was a mistake.
Sam Dolan Don't worry, we're getting rid of them
Remember to buy a new pack of Pepsi and Snickers to watch The Daily Show with ;)
It's a history of are thoughts the CIA can exploit us with... u are correct.
Just remember: Comment sections on the Internet, when not correcly regulated by some admin, become the digital equivalent of a public bathroom's door. People paint and write on them, without putting their actual names and hidding their true identity. Sometimes, you found a funny comment. Sometimes, you found something creative that inspires your day. Most times? Just people being assholes and believing they are funny for doing it.
*scoff* daily show? How about Beethoven, hmm?
Sam Dolan it's actually a great concept and could be a wonderful tool. I think you should have to finish a short quiz before you're allowed to comment. Like spelling, grammer, sentence structure, and maybe a short essay to determine reasoning ability and retention.
Thank you for the original video and this commentary video. There was some information I was no aware of, and information I personally had wrong.
I'm not gonna lie, I have a somewhat right leaning political ideology, but I hate it when people go out of their way to attack the other side. Me personally, I think white people shouldn't take these facts as an attack on them (even though it can be framed and or just seen that way) and only as just how the man himself wanted to present it: As means of scholarship (Thanks for the new vocab word)
In my experience a lot of right wing Americans are missing the point here. They seem to be upset that American slavery is more present in our popular culture than other forms of slavery, but that is only the case in America because it is directly relevant to American history. It's not that people are trying to make white people feel bad, it's just something that Americans care more about than Roman slavery, or African slavery.
While I wanna protest that the original video's comments should be enabled I completely understand that they are not because this topic above all else seems to bring out the worst.
Appreciate the sources. When I have time I'll read some of it.
Most of them don’t understand comparative history between black slavery and the treatment of the Irish
Where can I get a copy of the chart you had at 0:20 in the original video?
The other video seemed very non-bias to me. I thought it was a great piece.
1:43 Who is he talking about?
hilariously, the main target of that comment is no longer on UA-cam due to his bigotry = Stephan Molyneux
@@CynicalHistorian lol
@@CynicalHistorian That guy was tolerated by YT for way too long. He was a literal white supremacist.
+Cynical Historian I came across this video first but then I went back and watched your ten myths video.
Good work on both. And I'm sure you've just been waiting for me to tell you that hee hee.
Anyway I gave you two thumbs up. Keep reporting on the facts of history and trying to explain how rational thought works to the irrational among us.
I've been trying to do that for decades and mostly failing.
*Man oh man* You are a thorn in some of these wack dragon side! No need to slay Dragons, the truth slays them alone! lol It hurts certain peps to feel like they are the devil. But you are pretty fair on both side, your vids are not bias at all. Keep up the good work! The most important part is you see the errors that happened in the past, it's our job to fix them and be better!
Enjoyed your logical, organized, well thought out presentation.
Glad I found your channel.
I knew when i saw the video the comment section was gonna be spicy
Cynical Historian. I enjoyed your analysis of slave myths. I took interest in one area, and that was the African nations who prospered from slavery but how their economies suffer to this day. I am curious of your sources or readings that I could use for my interest. Would you be able to give some source direction? Thank you.
That video is why I subscribed, actually.
I did so because you seemed to be one of the extremely few people who are capable of talking about political and historical subjects in detail without trying to tell us how this means some party is good or bad.
Also I just wanna say on a personal level that it really warms my soul to see you do this kind of video. It takes a lot of moxie and you defense of what never should have needed defending was flawless. I only wish that all of those idiots, trolls, racists, sycophants, and the self proclaimed “Great Orator’s” would take the time to watch this video until the end and actually reflect on its entirety. People need to stop treating reality and truth as being somehow emotionally or socially or politically venomous, when they are just facts. It’s the biggest mistake of western civilization. Facts are facts, truths are truths, history is history, it can be refined and even at times redefined, but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with who/what you are, but can have everything to do what we could be if only people would listen and stop making the same mistakes over, and over, and over again. Thank you for doing what you do and I sincerely hope that you never let some piece of shit racist/antisemetic asshole in the comments get you down. 11/10 as always!
I had heard of caucasian slaves before....but in North África and the Mediterranean during the middle ages
The Turks took a great deal of slaves from the Caucuses (mostly southern parts) all the way into the early modern period. It was banned by the 19th Century (mostly to avoid war with Europeans, like with the Barbary Coast)
The Cynical Historian there were also slaves in ancient greece and rome and so forth
Look up the Barbary Wars.
Medieval slavery is actually aan underrated topic. I have a read a few German publication and some by a French author, Maurice Lombard who dealt with the European slave trade in the 9th and 10th century. It was a massive source of income for the East Francian/early german empire which had not much to with except some honey and sume fur from its vast wildernesses. IN what was called the "Eastern Expansion" the feudal vassals of the german Emperors constantly raided the mostly pagan slavic inhabitants east of the Rivers Elbe and Oder. Tens of thousands of slavs were captured and sent on a well established route over Prague, which had a fully fledged hospital devoted solely to conveyor belt-like castrations and from there usually Jewish merchants (I am not an antisemite, the matter of the fact is simply that they were jewish) took them over France towards the the iberic peninsula where the Arab rulers would buy them for good money and spread them over the whole islamic world of that time. Many of them were actually trained as slave warriors, called the "saqaliba".
This business was not at all well liked by the church who would rather see the heathens in the East catholicized instead of sold off and it costa bishop of Prague his career. It was economically too important for the early Reich and went on for the better part of 2 centuries. After the Byzantine Empire had been reduced enough and islamized turkic peoples poured into the middle east, they basically raided the slavic world from the other end and the transport routes into the Muslim sphere of influence (and therefore slaveholding) became much shorter so that old western route lost it's relevance. Also most peoples and tribes around modern day poland and Slovakia had been christianized and were (mostly) off limits to slaving raiders.
It stems from that time that the word "slave" came about, being derived from the Greek/byzantine term for the Slavs: "sclavoi". Slavic slaves were so common that they "became the brand name" - kinda like "xerox" became the common word for "photocopy" in parts of the world.
The latin word that was used for slaves and can be found in modern languages today had its meaning changed instead: servus/ancilla for slave/female slave. It echoes in "serf".
Hi
Can you please source some of the reading material you used. I would like to reference. Thanks
As an American with strong Irish heritage, let me tell you something. The ideal of Irish slaves and Irish discrimination is STRONG in most Irish families I know.
As raised by an Irish mother, can confirm this
One thing you have to remember (as I am a member of this world) is that just because it comes from the "scholastic" world and highly regarded, does NOT make it accurate. I am not trying to say that any of what you put in "10 myths" video was wrong, just that scholastically accepted, does not mean true. Just remember it was "scholastically" accepted that the sun revolved around the earth.
It is all a matter of time. That was the time when the Roman Catholic Church ruled on what was acceptable thought, and their view was that the universe was centred on our world. It was not 'scholastically accepted' but imposed by the Church. 'Scholastically accepted' is a modern meme.
I will definitely debate you all day long about the loophole in the 13th Amendment not being the equivalent of modern slavery post Emancipation Proclamation. I'm not saying the conditions are the same but it's pretty damn close. Are prisons are inhumane and our practices are illegal in other countries when it comes to incarceration. I would encourage you to read the book just Mercy and his website by Bryan Stevenson his organization is called the Equal justice initiative. Read his arguments and then come back to me on the loophole on the 13th Amendment. But no, those who bring up the conditions and the exploitation of prisoners for corporate profit is not unwarranted. I encourage you to do your research on that as well
Just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed both your misconceptions video and your rebuttals here.
I'd love to see a video about how states rights are changing almost daily now.
It's a lot to take in but between 1st and 2nd amendment rights, abortion rights, legalization of narcotics, states have gained a lot of autonomy (at least I think) since the civil war and yet the federal government seems stronger than ever.
I'd love to see comparisons to previous points in US history or at least a breakdown of how and why things have (seemingly) changed so much.
I'm not particularly vested in either sides' arguments I'm just interested.
I cannot figure out your argument against the "whites ended slavery" myth. You seem to equate using the term whites with all whites. Some whites ended slavery using European progressive philosophy within the powers of European and American institutions, and those institutions--created by whites--projected hegemony over much of the world, and thereby projected abolition, often through conflict, into their spheres of influence and into the modern age. Whatever happened in China two millennia ago is irrelevant. You could have brought up Moses, for that matter. The fact that, in 1846, the Bey of Ottoman Tunis, Ahmad, issued a decree banning slavery in his small realm in the Ottoman Empire--a fact which you don't mention--was almost equally irrelevant for the abolitionist movement. His decree didn't apply to the rest of the world or even the Empire he was part of, and he wasn't even able to enforce it throughout his own realm. We're talking about who ended the institution of slavery nearly worldwide in the modern age. Who had the power to do so? I've no idea how slave revolts pertain to the topic. They didn't have any influence on the law, except maybe to reinforce for some the idea that slaves are human too. Of course, there were a few people of color who were part of the abolitionist movement, but the institutions they were working through to end slavery legally were white created, and for abolition to work in the 19th Century, it had to be accepted by whites. The acceptance and enforcement of abolition by whites ended slavery. Whites held the power to end it or keep it, so it was whites who ended it.
Yo Cypher you even thought of teaming up with the Alternate History Hub?
We talked, but the semester started
@@CynicalHistorian Sooo.....I'm guessing nothing came of it?
@@upintheairstudio not yet, just been awhile
@@CynicalHistorian Groovy. I look forward to the eventual team up.
I have to admit that I was quite impressed by your video on the 10 myths of slavery, and for the most part I agree with what you said, as I use some of these same arguments when discussing the subject up here in Canada. I am from the land of Dixie originally. However your view on the South arguing about state rights, slavery was only a part of it. The south wanted to be able to sell their products to Europe without Union interference, whereas the Union wanted control of that trade. I especially liked your comments about Lincoln's views on slavery. It should be pointed out that the founding fathers decided that the issue of slavery be dealt with at a later time, and not at the time of the writing of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. I enjoyed your video.
About abolition in China, the Xin dynasty, which was a short period in which Wang Mang usurped the Han and created many reforms, did actually abolish slavery in order to make nobles less powerful in 9-26 CE. However I am by no means a historian and may be completely wrong, with this being based of Wikipedia.
I applaud your courage to try and provide a perspective. Whether right or wrong in history our task becomes one of making the next right choice in the present. I see the civil war as being a conflict of one form of society against another. It is impossible for me to speak morally and factually correct on something that happened so long ago that there's no one alive to tell us what it was like. My opinion is that some white people fear red, brown and black people will do to us what we did to them. Could fear possibly be a culprit in our thinking?
One more question. I suspect that Jewish Europeans *did* have some shares of ownership, maybe majority shares, in corporations which were ship-owning businesses or international trading expeditions, as described and shown in Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice (Al Pacino version).
Jews were not land-owners or commercial farmers in Europe, for the most part. Jews engaged in small goods trading and earned a living and saved money. Those who were more successful gradually became larger traders and investors, as well as their offspring. Some white international traders sailing to India and to Africa had joined together for mutual insurance (against shipwreck, piracy, etc.) but eventually the skill of actuarial risk calculations emerged (I think because Jews specialized at complex math) and insurance became a separate business, at least some of which was run by Jews.
SOOOOO, if some European Jews (those who were not dead-broke) were involved in business & commerce & trade, then slave trading would have been part of that business.
TRUE ENOUGH? YES? NO?
In the Middle Ages, Jews were restricted from most occupations EXCEPT the ones that Christians at the time abhorred, specifically tax- and rent collecting, and money lending, which then led to stereotypes and anti-Semitism. Such restrictions go back to Roman times and continued through the 20th century.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_antisemitism#Restrictions_on_occupations_and_professions
Great video, and so was the 10 Slavery Myths video. It introduced me to your channel, which I can tell I'm going to enjoy. It sucks you and even commenters got hate over it, and I applaud how you responded.
Reality doesn’t have a right or left bias . Both sides are right on some issues , and wrong in some issues
Beware the comment section awaits
I just came here from the other video to note, there's just something about the assertion that only a white man could conceive the idea of abolition that makes it the funniest and most pitiful expression of white supremacy
It could be (speculating here since the idea is ill informed anyhow) that those who make the claim that 'white people abolished slavery' were assuming that only white people had enough power/influence to do so, not necessarily that they were the only ones capable of thinking about ending it.
I've been reading a book called, "Race in North America". After reading a good portion and watching your slavery myths video, you did a great job. I myself learned a lot from the book, including many of the aspects you mentioned. I would say that adding more about the English-Irish history would provide additional context to how racist ideas developed. This is also linked to the rise of capitalism in the Europe that made material wealth an important aspect of social standing and having rights within a society. Together, I think this would've provided some context to how these ideas developed.
But overall, you did a great job and I appreciate your historical analysis. It's made me take time to read from notable historians and educate myself on these topics. In many cases, I wish our schools went into these details because slavery was way worse than what our textbooks say and it should be taught so we never repeat it again and stand up towards modern slaver oppression.
Just got here from your other video and have to say it was a very informative video and great to watch.