I recent bought the copper scaled version of this knife that was released in early 2020, and it has none of these issues. Blade is centered, lock is centered, lockups are solid, and the clip stays in place really well. Just for any who are 100% ready to write it off... it would be odd for gtac to get two lemons... but I have a good one for whatever that might be worth. (Not arguing, just tossing out some info on a later released knife of the same design)
Also worth noting that everyone has a different tolerance level for price vs quality control and for price vs issues with knives. Things like detent strength or knurling or "drop shuttyness" etc... it really depends on the buyer. How much experience they have with different price ranges and quality levels plays a big role in these factors. Someone who has a bunch of knives around the 100$ or under mark may think these are great, but someone who has a bunch of $500+ knives (that are actually quality justifying the price) might find these unacceptable. Even experience with different brands plays a role. Some brands are just better at making quality knives with good actions than others even at a relatively low price point. If all a person knows is Gerber... well.... *I'm not saying that's you and I'm not trying to be a jerk, just something to think about. I'm glad you got a good one, I just wish the ones I tried were good... I really like the form factor and the way they did the flipper tab on top instead of sticking out the back.
@@squirts1 oh for sure! was just offering a varied opinion, I don't own anything in the 500 dollar range but I own Civivi, Spyerco, Kaiser, Benchmade, Etc. I will admit a year later that this knife does not get much pocket time, while the fit and finish of mine was and is fine i actually found that I dont like the top flipper. To each their own lol.
I picked one up in person at Blade HQ. I don't have any of these issues. Maybe I got lucky. But then of course I took it out of the box and made sure it was good before I bought it. It was the first one they handed me. The blade centering was off but I was able to adjust it. I honestly love mine.
I just bought this knife with Brass scales and I have none of those issues. Blade centering is perfect, the clip is solid and lockup is great. The cost was $49 from BladeHQ.
Hey I know this is an old video. But I just bought 3 blade HQ exclusive versions of this knife and they have addressed all of the issues you have mentioned. It's pretty interesting.
I really appreciate your honesty and helping us out with these kind of videos, and I like how you share that you bought from different places and still have a problem with the knife most reviewers don't go to the lengths that you do to help check out a knife for the viewers so we can have a good idea of what to expect, I've got great respect for you Aaron.
Or just not get a reduced one. Reduced ones are reduced for a reason, they won't rot and they are a seller. So you can imagine why they were reduced. You still get what you paid for :D
Looks like Boker made some updates since this video was released. I bought the g10 black version on bladehq and my pocket clip is totally different design. No side to side play, blade is centered, and no wobble of the pocket clip.
I use the Ganzo Firebird FH21 with D2 blade and G10 Handle as a EDC for 2 years now. The knife has ball bearings and has a rated 60HRC . Super knife for 25$, good allignment of the blade and no wonky clip
Just purchased my first Boker, the Warbird. It's a great piece. Fall shut right out of the box. I have benn wanting to pick up a Gent Folder for a while now, and the Kansei made the list after playing with the Warbird for a few week. Glad I can now scratch the Kansei off the list.
Spoiler alert...if it's a short video on a knife and it's not a follow up/update video...its not going to be a favorable review. Love the honesty and objective views Aaron. Great as always.
Generally (with some exceptions), pronouncing rōmaji like Spanish gets you pretty close to the proper Japanese pronunciation. Love this Kansei design / styling and the subtle tabs for deploying the blade by thumb or finger flip. Bummer to hear about the flaws you highlighted. I ordered a titanium one anyway because of the pros I mentioned, in addition I felt the aesthetics of the titanium model were too compelling for me not to pull the trigger.
Update: Received the titanium model. Blade is perfectly centered between the liners, lateral blade wobble is negligible, and the pocket clip is solidly mounted. That said, this version of this model is more than twice other Kaisen LRF’s, so I’m glad the quality control, at least on the knife I got, was decent.
Benchmade is my favorite knife brand but one of my 940’s has horrible centering even after taking the whole knife apart and evenly tightening all the body screws and pivot. No matter how much I tighten or loosen the pivot it’s still really close to the scale and touches when putting pressure on the thumb stud and it has plenty blade play because if I tighten it even a tiny bit more from where it is right now the blade won’t move at all.
I'm sorry to hear that man. That sucks. I actually just handled one at BladeShow and immediately ordered one from BladeHQ. I got the G10 and there is no blade play or side to side wobble. Also, the centering is perfect. Also, the clip is tight like a tiger. Paid 66 bucks.
Shit, not 75 no more! They want 102 with tax now. Just cancelled my order watched another video and they didn’t hit on the cons and I am big on a knife being centered when closed! And oh hell no on the lose clip! Thankfully I got in cancelled! Another 2min and I woulda been stuck , I actually canceled after just hearing you say it and came back to watch what the problems was. Thank you brother! Appreciate it! Figured if you was saying don’t buy it and the price was 20 dollars cheaper, sure I can find a lot better one for 100 bucks! Really liked the looks of that one you got any recommendations? Thanks again! ✌️
Tengo uno en madera y no trae ninguno de eso " defectos" que usted dice.Centrado perfecto,ninguna holgura y clip bien rígido desde el principio.Siento que sus dos navajas tuvieran defectos pero yo considero que la mía es realmente una estupenda EDC en todos los sentidos.Un saludo
Hey brother you should really look at manly knives they have a great selection of gentlemen’s folders. And great fit and finish. You won’t be disappointed. Love to see what you think of them. ✌️
That is an attractive knife! Thx for the review, they would have had me off the looks alone till i saw this. I will wait to see if they get their QC better.
BHQ has micarta and I think brass and copper exclusives too. I was going to buy the micarta maybe the copper too. They are still pretty damn cheap and I do love the Kwaiken and Zinker knives from Boker the only Bokers I own.
Right! I've got a bokermatic 700 that I bought new when I was in high-school in the early to mid 90s and they've replaced the worn out spring twice in all that time no problem. I own dozens of boker plus knives and rarely have a issue with quality that isn't a simple fix for anyone with a little skill and knowledge of knives.
Well thats a shame because I was planning on getting that knife for the same reasons. Dont want a poorly made knife, thanks for sharing your experience with this one.
Seems to me seeing how far the linerlocks go into and irregular they are at 3:02 someone fiddled with both locks to give em more pressure and that would definitely push the blade off center when closed. Have a few of the kansei designs who are all rather similar except the blade form and none of them is that warped and all are at same angle.
Disappointing to hear that you did not like it. I have been looking at this as my next knife purchase as the style is exactly what I have been looking for. OK, honest question: other than blade centering (which isn’t something I ever pay much attention to), and the pocket clip (which I would most likely remove on a knife like this), are there other reason that would dissuade you from buying it? Thanks for all the great information!
Yep. If you like that slender shape, grab a Firebird FH11. Or go with a FH21 or FH51 if you like something a little more interesting. I do like those wood scales though.
1. Make it is Britain. 2. Use G10 plastic scales so they don’t split or break. 3. Just make a plastic handled metal centered, traditional knife with decent metal with a traditional clip.
Ball bearing but it's a seated version, like on a bushing, if that makes sense. Some knives are rolling on 'loose' ball bearings, if that makes sense, I think that's why he keeps saying "ball bearing bushing". I hope that helps, cheers
Sure the price wasn't reduced? :D Sometimes knifes are on sale that might have a manufactoring issue, so you get what you pay for : > No Idea where tf you bought yours from lol Stop blaming the whole production for your reduced ones. ^^ That Knife is originally 109,95 €, that's around $ 119.76. Pay the full price and you won't have to complain for your 40% reduced one lmao
I recent bought the copper scaled version of this knife that was released in early 2020, and it has none of these issues. Blade is centered, lock is centered, lockups are solid, and the clip stays in place really well.
Just for any who are 100% ready to write it off... it would be odd for gtac to get two lemons... but I have a good one for whatever that might be worth. (Not arguing, just tossing out some info on a later released knife of the same design)
Where did you get that version?
@@WwLoganxX I got mine from BladeHQ. Mine's also copper. Rock solid, no issues
Also worth noting that everyone has a different tolerance level for price vs quality control and for price vs issues with knives. Things like detent strength or knurling or "drop shuttyness" etc... it really depends on the buyer. How much experience they have with different price ranges and quality levels plays a big role in these factors. Someone who has a bunch of knives around the 100$ or under mark may think these are great, but someone who has a bunch of $500+ knives (that are actually quality justifying the price) might find these unacceptable. Even experience with different brands plays a role. Some brands are just better at making quality knives with good actions than others even at a relatively low price point. If all a person knows is Gerber... well....
*I'm not saying that's you and I'm not trying to be a jerk, just something to think about. I'm glad you got a good one, I just wish the ones I tried were good... I really like the form factor and the way they did the flipper tab on top instead of sticking out the back.
@@squirts1 oh for sure! was just offering a varied opinion, I don't own anything in the 500 dollar range but I own Civivi, Spyerco, Kaiser, Benchmade, Etc. I will admit a year later that this knife does not get much pocket time, while the fit and finish of mine was and is fine i actually found that I dont like the top flipper. To each their own lol.
@@jamespondy0 It's called 'Böker Plus BHQ LRF' for a reason :D
I picked one up in person at Blade HQ. I don't have any of these issues. Maybe I got lucky. But then of course I took it out of the box and made sure it was good before I bought it. It was the first one they handed me. The blade centering was off but I was able to adjust it. I honestly love mine.
I just love the blade shape and the blade-to-handle ratio on these... You just save me some serious frustrations.
It would be super cool to see your top 5 gentleman knives.
Alex Nightingale yes please
I just bought this knife with Brass scales and I have none of those issues. Blade centering is perfect, the clip is solid and lockup is great. The cost was $49 from BladeHQ.
Lol. I just jumped on that deal myself.
Hey I know this is an old video. But I just bought 3 blade HQ exclusive versions of this knife and they have addressed all of the issues you have mentioned. It's pretty interesting.
how exactly did they address these issues? the knives haven't changed at all since release.
loving it and playing with it since 3 weeks 3 hours a day, Blade dead center and no wobely anywhere , I am 97% happy with my g10 handle Boker Kansei
I really appreciate your honesty and helping us out with these kind of videos, and I like how you share that you bought from different places and still have a problem with the knife most reviewers don't go to the lengths that you do to help check out a knife for the viewers so we can have a good idea of what to expect, I've got great respect for you Aaron.
Or just not get a reduced one. Reduced ones are reduced for a reason, they won't rot and they are a seller. So you can imagine why they were reduced. You still get what you paid for :D
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Looks like Boker made some updates since this video was released. I bought the g10 black version on bladehq and my pocket clip is totally different design. No side to side play, blade is centered, and no wobble of the pocket clip.
I got the copper, and had no problems. Great knife. The wood is probably the problem
I use the Ganzo Firebird FH21 with D2 blade and G10 Handle as a EDC for 2 years now. The knife has ball bearings and has a rated 60HRC . Super knife for 25$, good allignment of the blade and no wonky clip
Just purchased my first Boker, the Warbird. It's a great piece. Fall shut right out of the box. I have benn wanting to pick up a Gent Folder for a while now, and the Kansei made the list after playing with the Warbird for a few week. Glad I can now scratch the Kansei off the list.
the warbird is build by realsteel...this one not 😉
Too bad you had bad experience with yours... I love mine real nice
Thanks for the info. I was about to get on for my dad. The search continues.
I wear a suit to work and just ordered one off Blade HQ. I hope it’s a good one.
Spoiler alert...if it's a short video on a knife and it's not a follow up/update video...its not going to be a favorable review. Love the honesty and objective views Aaron. Great as always.
Also if it says “Not So Nice” right there in the title...
Generally (with some exceptions), pronouncing rōmaji like Spanish gets you pretty close to the proper Japanese pronunciation. Love this Kansei design / styling and the subtle tabs for deploying the blade by thumb or finger flip. Bummer to hear about the flaws you highlighted. I ordered a titanium one anyway because of the pros I mentioned, in addition I felt the aesthetics of the titanium model were too compelling for me not to pull the trigger.
Update: Received the titanium model. Blade is perfectly centered between the liners, lateral blade wobble is negligible, and the pocket clip is solidly mounted. That said, this version of this model is more than twice other Kaisen LRF’s, so I’m glad the quality control, at least on the knife I got, was decent.
Boker plus frelon ... is excellent
Worth to look into if looking for a folder with superb ergonomic and with a traditional feel
I just got mine and love it too
Just bought one G-10 version at a very good price had none of these problems and mine had a deep carry clip now. I can't fault it for the money.
I just got one and mine is perfect 👌😍
It’s nice to see a negative, honest review.
Benchmade is my favorite knife brand but one of my 940’s has horrible centering even after taking the whole knife apart and evenly tightening all the body screws and pivot. No matter how much I tighten or loosen the pivot it’s still really close to the scale and touches when putting pressure on the thumb stud and it has plenty blade play because if I tighten it even a tiny bit more from where it is right now the blade won’t move at all.
I'm sorry to hear that man. That sucks. I actually just handled one at BladeShow and immediately ordered one from BladeHQ. I got the G10 and there is no blade play or side to side wobble. Also, the centering is perfect. Also, the clip is tight like a tiger. Paid 66 bucks.
Shit, not 75 no more! They want 102 with tax now. Just cancelled my order watched another video and they didn’t hit on the cons and I am big on a knife being centered when closed! And oh hell no on the lose clip! Thankfully I got in cancelled! Another 2min and I woulda been stuck , I actually canceled after just hearing you say it and came back to watch what the problems was. Thank you brother! Appreciate it! Figured if you was saying don’t buy it and the price was 20 dollars cheaper, sure I can find a lot better one for 100 bucks! Really liked the looks of that one you got any recommendations? Thanks again! ✌️
Great honest review Aaron an telling us what is wrong with this knife.
I've got to get one of these!
Tengo uno en madera y no trae ninguno de eso " defectos" que usted dice.Centrado perfecto,ninguna holgura y clip bien rígido desde el principio.Siento que sus dos navajas tuvieran defectos pero yo considero que la mía es realmente una estupenda EDC en todos los sentidos.Un saludo
had to return a böker plus usa lately. Wobbleing clip, stripped out screws out of the box....2nd one was flawless.
Would love to see you do the PM 101 tag of your knife collection
Good honest info thanks
Love your honest reviews, saves me time and money.
Hey brother you should really look at manly knives they have a great selection of gentlemen’s folders. And great fit and finish. You won’t be disappointed. Love to see what you think of them. ✌️
Thanks for this review you've convinced me not to but this knife. Thanks for the heads up
That is an attractive knife! Thx for the review, they would have had me off the looks alone till i saw this. I will wait to see if they get their QC better.
Negative reviews are helpful, do not be afraid to do them. Most of boker is china, part is germany. I have had both good & bad with both.
BHQ has micarta and I think brass and copper exclusives too. I was going to buy the micarta maybe the copper too. They are still pretty damn cheap and I do love the Kwaiken and Zinker knives from Boker the only Bokers I own.
I was gonna get one. Then I googled it and watched this. Thanks.
Boker has a 25 year warranty that covers every issue you have. I'm not saying that excuses it but if you cared to do that know it's there.
Right! I've got a bokermatic 700 that I bought new when I was in high-school in the early to mid 90s and they've replaced the worn out spring twice in all that time no problem. I own dozens of boker plus knives and rarely have a issue with quality that isn't a simple fix for anyone with a little skill and knowledge of knives.
Well thats a shame because I was planning on getting that knife for the same reasons. Dont want a poorly made knife, thanks for sharing your experience with this one.
Please review some Twosun knives...for the same price or lower, you get much better quality and value.
Seems to me seeing how far the linerlocks go into and irregular they are at 3:02 someone fiddled with both locks to give em more pressure and that would definitely push the blade off center when closed.
Have a few of the kansei designs who are all rather similar except the blade form and none of them is that warped and all are at same angle.
Thanks for this review. I always appreciate the good info.
my Gentlemans folder is a OKC Rat 2 on D2 with carbon fibre scales
GT- thanx for posting this. The knife was starting to look a bit attractive to me. Much easier not to order than to go the return hoops.
With Boker Plus you gotta buy 5 and keep the good one. 😂 Your pronunciation of the name was wrong, it's a Japanese word. 👍🏼
There are a lot of loved Boker knives I wonder what happened with this model.
Disappointing to hear that you did not like it. I have been looking at this as my next knife purchase as the style is exactly what I have been looking for.
OK, honest question: other than blade centering (which isn’t something I ever pay much attention to), and the pocket clip (which I would most likely remove on a knife like this), are there other reason that would dissuade you from buying it?
Thanks for all the great information!
Would you take a crkt CEO as your gentleman folder for the price?
A $25 Ganzo doesn't have those wobble issues - blade and clip... Not good..
Ganzo gang
A 10-15 buck Ganzo or Sanrenmu would be better.
Yep. If you like that slender shape, grab a Firebird FH11. Or go with a FH21 or FH51 if you like something a little more interesting. I do like those wood scales though.
1. Make it is Britain.
2. Use G10 plastic scales so they don’t split or break.
3. Just make a plastic handled metal centered, traditional knife with decent metal with a traditional clip.
Subbed. Appreciate the honest review.
Thanks for the warning
Where the heck does he live uploading at 430 in the morning the other question is why am I awake so early
DizzyMAC I pre program the posts to go live at 4:30/530/630/730 westcoast to eastcoast time
Owned two Bokers. Both had issues. No more Boker crap for me. IMO CIVIVI McKenna much better gentleman's folder.
My same issues with the Spyderco Paysan....
Isn't that around $350?
Dang! I had hopes for this knife! Looking for a slim gent knife with 3in blade...
Crossbones is longer than its legal here :(
Damn that pocket clip is wonky.
Thank you for honest review ! I also subscribed to your channel :)
I have 5 Boker knives and no issues.
Horrible quality control! That's why I don't buy Boker knives.
about the float: locktite. blue.
I've stayed away from Boker lately. QC has been terrible.
I've owned about 5 Bokers...never been impressed with any of them. Great designs, bad execution.
Aaron cammon I’ve had the same experience with CRKT. Love the designs but I’ve just had crap QC problems.
@@crommy927 yeah same with CRKT. I LOVED that Razel...until I bought it and had it in hand. Even tried the mini one...same junk quality. Sad.
Boker or Boker Plus??
"Kancy." 🙄
Which is it ball baring or bushing
Ball bearing but it's a seated version, like on a bushing, if that makes sense. Some knives are rolling on 'loose' ball bearings, if that makes sense, I think that's why he keeps saying "ball bearing bushing". I hope that helps, cheers
Sure the price wasn't reduced? :D
Sometimes knifes are on sale that might have a manufactoring issue, so you get what you pay for : >
No Idea where tf you bought yours from lol
Stop blaming the whole production for your reduced ones. ^^
That Knife is originally 109,95 €, that's around $ 119.76. Pay the full price and you won't have to complain for your 40% reduced one lmao
Never was a fan of Böker products. Nice designs like the Kwaiken or Urban Trapper - but the quality is not there.
Boker has benchmade's old quality control
Why do you keep almost saying distributor?
Kansei is Japanese, translation - perfection. Apparently, not so.
It’s also the name of the designer.
$70 for anything made in China is crazy. Almost everything from Chiba has quality issues.
Knife is not nice looking!!! :()
Sorry to sound disrespectful. I hate boker.
You say good like a cow.
Please learn to spell Umlauts 😉 ö is not o, it’s spelled totally different.
Cause its goog
What's a goog?
Goog?
1st world problems.....
HELLOOOO
I find boker does that to much
bummer
Boker once again is a disappointment.