@@RaffyMaBoi "So I've decided to build a miniature RC excavator/submarine hybrid, I saw a few online but they were way overpriced.. and it'd be a good excuse to practice welding, and it'll come in handy for troubleshooting my next workshop build"
I recently saw a YT short video describing Renaissance Italian plaza with central water well. About 75% of plaza was excavated and refilled with clean sand. The surface was then covered in dressed stone/tile(?). Roof drains emptied into the 4 corners of the plaza. The water slowly percolated through the sand toward the center where a brick lined well made access to the filtered water possible. Impressive for 14th-15th C
You are very lucky with the soil composition. It will work very well in sand. We made such an absorption system from vertical concrete rings, 12 cubic meters were enough for a salvo discharge.
I see you're using a "MAXO" - gave me a bit of a chuckle when you were under it by yourself. Interesting idea, didn't know that sort of thing existed. Sort of the opposite of a tank, ha.
I suggest replacing the piping from the downspouts to the "tanks" with permeable drainage piping. Its made of the same stuff, flexible, perforated, and you cover it in a membrane sock before burying it in a permeable material, it will allow fluid to permeate into it all along it's length and direct it into the retention system, as well as directing the input fluid into the system as usual.
@@MaxMakerChannel it's not really an issue, as during a rainstorm water is going into the pipe through the perforations. Additionally, the pipe is only perforated on the top half, so the invert of the pipe is smooth and not interrupted.
This is one thing I plan on doing as well. Though the clean out is going to be a small tank/box of some sort which will be easy to access. I am thinking something along the lines of a 250/500 gallon septic tank system. This way the tank may take decades to fill up. One thing is the fabric under the tunnels. I now have to consider this as well. In our septic field they do not put fabric under them as i suspect that over time small amounts of debris can flow from the tank in to the field. I think you would need 2 separate tanks inline to filter that water much better. Somthing to think about.
I was thinking about the basement window that caused the flooding. Why not put an awning above the grate as well? I'm a flash flood survivor myself so I get the concern. I would encourage you to use more permeable surfaces where you can
it makes me think that this will keep the water table decently high on your property. that maybe a well bore hole could be dug next to it and the infiltration would make sure the well would never run dry. plus, free water.
Even though germany had a lot of rain this year, I think the more future proof solution would have been to use that space for some big water tanks to store the rainwater during dry months. I would have guessed that hooking up the downspouts to an existing street frain would have been way easier that building a drain field?
Max, That is practically sand, it seems. I've wondered how effective a 2 meter "posthole" would be for drainage. The numbers are: 19.6kpa 0.196bar 0.194atm 2.85psi It won't be fast. Just wonder if that "wetland" you videoed would be less swampy with a proper posthole.
I was considering that. But water is so cheap that it doesn’t make economic sense. 1000l cost about 5€. So we might pay 100€ a year for water. If a tank costs 3000€ it will pay for itself only in 30 years. And thats excluding maintenance.
I have a lot of ideas to make it beautiful, but its a tradeoff with my available time. At the moment I have very many tasks to complete. Then I can think about the less important tasks.
If that happens, the water would come out of 4 access holes at the side of the building. If that happens the garden will be flooded, but the workshop is high enough.
Are these things cheaper then just filling a similar hole with coarsely crushed rocks and perhaps a manhole if it doesn't drain down to the substrate fast enough?
Yes! I did the calculations. The rocks are cheap but the transportation is expensive. Also rocks only provide 1/3 of the volume as these tunnels do for a given area. So you need to dig a much bigger hole.
Would there be any concern with things shifting while dumping the sand on or maybe even with some amount of settling? Seems like some basic fasteners throughout would have lowered the risk of anything coming apart.
The tunnels get presses together by weight. No danger there. The tunnel would support much more weight if I had compacted the sand. But I did so much compacting previously that I couldn’t be asked.
thing I don't really understand is why go from the ends of the tunnels with the vent pipes, instead of the top, where you already have strong-points and where the pipes would get support from the top of the structure? the other one is cleaning the first element: I just can't imagine how you intend to do that? normally installations use a "sand-trap" element in the pipework leading to the infiltration system, that is accessible both in length (depth from ground level) and diameter. I'm sure the setup works and will hold up, but to be honest it looks janky AF. :) also, there's some practical use of rainwater as well - irrigation, flushing toilets - which could have been served well by introducing a closed rainwater tank that has its overfill lead to these skimmer tunnels. just a few thoughts... which are by no means intended to offend, just to point out spots of the installation I don't necessarily agree with - based on experience I learned installing my own biological sewage treatment and irrigation system.
Hätte man da nicht einfach ein paar Drainagerohre unter die Halle packen können? Intuitiv macht es mehr Sinn das Wasser auf der gleichen Fläche versickern lassen wo es auch runter kommt.
Ne das geht nicht. Denn wo Wasser fließt bewegt sich auch der Untergrund und das könnte ein Gebäude absacken lassen. Man braucht auch einen Statiker der dafür gerade stehen möchte.
I would have told you to add a camera into the water tunnels just for fun, to see how high they fill up when it rains a lot. I have a sump pump and I did that, no real reason, just for fun.
I considered it. Unfortunately it is not cost effective vs getting water from the city. I would love to do that but at the moment I rather save funds for other projects like solar.
Hi Max, just out of curiosity, as I understand this is not a hobbyist workshop, but a professional one, could you share what line of work you're in? I'm just curious given the huge size of the workshop. Thanks!
I am definitely a hobbyist, but I also make money with my workshop. I wouldn’t call me a professional. Certainly everything I do is outside of the norm. My main income source is a drawer slide system that I produce for the caravanning industry.
never seen such a bad ground for construction, it is basicly a beach ! the important thing is, where the F building construction video man, I was waiting for that :(
Yes! They figures that its cheaper to have new construction deal with their rain where it falls instead of building huge pipes to transport it into the sea.
Das bezweifle ich! Alleine der Transport von Betonsickerschächten ist um einiges teurer. Die Montage dauert auch länger und das Loch muss viel tiefer sein.
Next rainstorm try and tape a GoPro to a pole down one of those filter holes and get a Timelapse of the underground water silos in action!
Good idea!
Nah, Max will overengineer something😂
@@RaffyMaBoi "So I've decided to build a miniature RC excavator/submarine hybrid, I saw a few online but they were way overpriced.. and it'd be a good excuse to practice welding, and it'll come in handy for troubleshooting my next workshop build"
Finally another workshop episode🤩🥳 Gonna be crazy cool!!!
I just ordered my pizza and you upload this. Talk about a perfect day.
You’ve just convinced me that we’re eating pizza tonight. Thanks! Lol
@@bakerfx4968 Anytime😂
I recently saw a YT short video describing Renaissance Italian plaza with central water well.
About 75% of plaza was excavated and refilled with clean sand. The surface was then covered in dressed stone/tile(?).
Roof drains emptied into the 4 corners of the plaza. The water slowly percolated through the sand toward the center where a brick lined well made access to the filtered water possible.
Impressive for 14th-15th C
Ich liebe deine Arbeit absolut, Max, es ist eine Freude zu sehen, wie sie sich entfaltet!
Vielen Dank!
In Cali, my company build parking lot, they did the same to colect all water for underground water 😊😊😊😊
Thank you for making these videos, Max! It brightens my day every time you put one out! Always super cool!
Glad you like them!
Just discovered this video, never saw anything from you. I hope you're successful with your workshop! You seem to be a nice guy.
Thanks!
"The manufacturer of these pipes they also make beer" - the most German thing ever 🤣
Nice way to get rid of rain and money.
‼️ This was exactly what I’m researching ‼️
What a great find & company
❤️🙏 Love from Scotland 🙏❤️
You can give them a call!
Beautiful terrain you have there. Looks like a childrens sandpit.
You are very lucky with the soil composition. It will work very well in sand. We made such an absorption system from vertical concrete rings, 12 cubic meters were enough for a salvo discharge.
Yes, I am very glad for the soil. It was also easy to work on it. No mess when it rains.
Excited to see the progress! So far so good.
That is really nice uniform sand! My property is all hard packed clay and boulders. I'm jealous.
Its super nice to work here. Never muddy boots.
Nice video asalways. Your place looks like an oversized sandbox, digs so easy and the water seeps away fast :)
I see you're using a "MAXO" - gave me a bit of a chuckle when you were under it by yourself.
Interesting idea, didn't know that sort of thing existed. Sort of the opposite of a tank, ha.
Love this series - really looking forward to the next episode!
I love this small series :D
I will also be building my workshop so this is a very inspiring series.
Glad to hear it!
Amazing!!! Keep them coming!
Thank you! Will do!
That’s not a workshop. That’s a full manufacturing factory. Super cool!
Yes I am very happy about it!
Kudos on self ponding to prevent runoff. Should be mandatory everywhere it is practicable.
It is mandatory here!
What a detailed video Max :)
Hey Max, thank you for uploading your Video in 60fps :)
Bloody storage is huge!!
Amazing!!! Can't wait until your next update!!!
Thank you!!
Finally UA-cam recommended your channel again! I was looking for the flood video again and couldn't find...
Welcome back!
Great project💪💪
This is a very smart system
Sounds like a good place to put extra solar panels on, if the roof is too small :)
I suggest replacing the piping from the downspouts to the "tanks" with permeable drainage piping. Its made of the same stuff, flexible, perforated, and you cover it in a membrane sock before burying it in a permeable material, it will allow fluid to permeate into it all along it's length and direct it into the retention system, as well as directing the input fluid into the system as usual.
Not sure if the rainwater on the inside would not leak out.
@@MaxMakerChannel it's not really an issue, as during a rainstorm water is going into the pipe through the perforations. Additionally, the pipe is only perforated on the top half, so the invert of the pipe is smooth and not interrupted.
awsome built
Best non-intentional ad-placement for beer I have ever seen 😂
great video, thanks for making this
Waiting for more crazy stuff ;
Loved it!
every thing is good there you , everything , i would like to live my rest of my life there ; love it
This is one thing I plan on doing as well. Though the clean out is going to be a small tank/box of some sort which will be easy to access. I am thinking something along the lines of a 250/500 gallon septic tank system. This way the tank may take decades to fill up.
One thing is the fabric under the tunnels. I now have to consider this as well.
In our septic field they do not put fabric under them as i suspect that over time small amounts of debris can flow from the tank in to the field. I think you would need 2 separate tanks inline to filter that water much better. Somthing to think about.
There is a difference between the black 3d fabric and the white filter cloth. I don’t know it though : ) Best to ask Intewa about it.
I was thinking about the basement window that caused the flooding. Why not put an awning above the grate as well? I'm a flash flood survivor myself so I get the concern. I would encourage you to use more permeable surfaces where you can
Good episode
Good Job 👍
Thanks 😁
it makes me think that this will keep the water table decently high on your property. that maybe a well bore hole could be dug next to it and the infiltration would make sure the well would never run dry. plus, free water.
Nice work! What is the failure state of the infiltration system? If somehow the tanks get backed up is there an overflow that dumps it somewhere safe?
There are 4 access shafts that are lower than the foundation. So any rain would re-emerge from there and flood the garden and ultimately the street.
Even though germany had a lot of rain this year, I think the more future proof solution would have been to use that space for some big water tanks to store the rainwater during dry months. I would have guessed that hooking up the downspouts to an existing street frain would have been way easier that building a drain field?
In Germany you are not allowed to hook up your rain water to the city. You need to keep it on your property.
underrated work..
Thanks!
@@MaxMakerChannel i subbed i can't wait for more
@@foxie131 Thanks! I am working on that.
Max,
That is practically sand, it seems. I've wondered how effective a 2 meter "posthole" would be for drainage. The numbers are:
19.6kpa
0.196bar
0.194atm
2.85psi
It won't be fast. Just wonder if that "wetland" you videoed would be less swampy with a proper posthole.
Hey! Great video as always, was just wondering if you're integrating rainwater storage for toilets etc., too?
I was considering that. But water is so cheap that it doesn’t make economic sense. 1000l cost about 5€. So we might pay 100€ a year for water. If a tank costs 3000€ it will pay for itself only in 30 years. And thats excluding maintenance.
@@MaxMakerChannel Hey! I totally get it. Probably not such a good ROI for a workshop. Thanks for pointing that out! Beste Grüße aus Freiburg!
@hellwhichnickisfree Hey, da läuft doch das Wasser durch die Stadt oder?
could have been a giant pond with generous overflow buffer. much prettier, most likely cheaper. unless u want to build ontop of it ofc
He addressed this exact thing in the video
Yea, that is the thing, he wants the option to build into of it, because he will
Also no shot his municipality would allow a pond at the street corner like that--- disaster waiting to happen
I have a lot of ideas to make it beautiful, but its a tradeoff with my available time. At the moment I have very many tasks to complete. Then I can think about the less important tasks.
I hope you planned for over flow In case your system gets clogged or fills up all the way.
If that happens, the water would come out of 4 access holes at the side of the building. If that happens the garden will be flooded, but the workshop is high enough.
Are these things cheaper then just filling a similar hole with coarsely crushed rocks and perhaps a manhole if it doesn't drain down to the substrate fast enough?
Yes! I did the calculations. The rocks are cheap but the transportation is expensive. Also rocks only provide 1/3 of the volume as these tunnels do for a given area. So you need to dig a much bigger hole.
Would there be any concern with things shifting while dumping the sand on or maybe even with some amount of settling? Seems like some basic fasteners throughout would have lowered the risk of anything coming apart.
The tunnels get presses together by weight. No danger there. The tunnel would support much more weight if I had compacted the sand. But I did so much compacting previously that I couldn’t be asked.
thing I don't really understand is why go from the ends of the tunnels with the vent pipes, instead of the top, where you already have strong-points and where the pipes would get support from the top of the structure? the other one is cleaning the first element: I just can't imagine how you intend to do that? normally installations use a "sand-trap" element in the pipework leading to the infiltration system, that is accessible both in length (depth from ground level) and diameter. I'm sure the setup works and will hold up, but to be honest it looks janky AF. :) also, there's some practical use of rainwater as well - irrigation, flushing toilets - which could have been served well by introducing a closed rainwater tank that has its overfill lead to these skimmer tunnels. just a few thoughts... which are by no means intended to offend, just to point out spots of the installation I don't necessarily agree with - based on experience I learned installing my own biological sewage treatment and irrigation system.
Do you need to treat the water in the system to prevent mosquitoes or bacteria or stuff?
No light, no life.
Hätte man da nicht einfach ein paar Drainagerohre unter die Halle packen können? Intuitiv macht es mehr Sinn das Wasser auf der gleichen Fläche versickern lassen wo es auch runter kommt.
Ne das geht nicht. Denn wo Wasser fließt bewegt sich auch der Untergrund und das könnte ein Gebäude absacken lassen. Man braucht auch einen Statiker der dafür gerade stehen möchte.
I would have told you to add a camera into the water tunnels just for fun, to see how high they fill up when it rains a lot. I have a sump pump and I did that, no real reason, just for fun.
Will try that next year for fun.
My goodness if I had that soil at my house I could perk for a five bedroom house with just a 2-meter long trench😂
Yes. Its a perfect building ground. I am very lucky its just sand.
Did you consider keeping the rainwater in a collection system to use in your workshop?
I considered it. Unfortunately it is not cost effective vs getting water from the city. I would love to do that but at the moment I rather save funds for other projects like solar.
Hi Max, just out of curiosity, as I understand this is not a hobbyist workshop, but a professional one, could you share what line of work you're in? I'm just curious given the huge size of the workshop. Thanks!
I am definitely a hobbyist, but I also make money with my workshop. I wouldn’t call me a professional. Certainly everything I do is outside of the norm. My main income source is a drawer slide system that I produce for the caravanning industry.
Is there a reason you didn't choose to capture the rain water to use for flushing toilets etc? Just curious
Money is the only reason. Water is so cheap.
You could use one sealed tank and use rainwater for toilets and sprinklers…
Too expensive unfortunately.
How do you prevent the tanks from being crushed by the weight of the sand etc., as they are open at the bottom?
They are arches and cannot go anywhere. Just like arches in bridges.
Those are some heft beams.
I tried to lift one. Didn’t move.
never seen such a bad ground for construction, it is basicly a beach !
the important thing is, where the F building construction video man, I was waiting for that :(
It is indeed like a beach. Easy to work with. Great for drainage.
I didn’t film the steel construction but you will see plenty in the next video.
a 4feet diameter, 10-20 feet deep vertical concrete soaking pit would have been easier and cost effective.
What about saving some of that water? Wouldn’t it save you money to use that water in the shop instead of connecting to city water?
Water is so cheap here that saving it doesn’t make financial sense. Any rain tank would cost more than we spend on water in 20 years.
@@MaxMakerChannel yeah that makes sense then
is there a legal requirement to dispose of your own stormwater?
Yes! They figures that its cheaper to have new construction deal with their rain where it falls instead of building huge pipes to transport it into the sea.
@@MaxMakerChannel makes sense, thank you
Ha, you are German. I am so sure you were forced by the authorities to build this Versickerungsanlage to avoid Abwassergebühren😂
Als nächstes bitte einen Bunker vergraben 😂
Same day
12:37 "on the other side"
dammit where's the view into the sediment catcher, would have loved to peek inside! :)
There was only clean water coming from the brand-new roof. So there was no sediment.
I wish you put solar panels on the roof.
I will
No stormwater drainage in the street?
Thats not allowed here!
Lebst du in Niederlande ? Überall ist Sand 😂
Ist wirklich komisch für Deutschland. Ich glaube weil wir nur 10km vom Meer sind.
that is very soft ground lol
Why not filter the rain water and use it?
Because buying fresh water is much cheaper. The pump alone would cost as much as 15 years of water.
@@MaxMakerChannel then you'd have free water in 15 years
If the pump lasts that long.
Where do you live? On Mars? I am not used with that type of soil, lol
Its unusual even for Germany.
Why not just have a pond? You just dig a hole and it helps local wildlife.
With all that work, why ain't you burying tanks and using that in the shop
Infiltration??
I have not idea what 'infiltration' means.
Soaking into the ground.
Bist du deutscher
Jesus Christus, a bissle teuer im Vergleich zu konventionellen betonsickerschächte.
Das bezweifle ich! Alleine der Transport von Betonsickerschächten ist um einiges teurer. Die Montage dauert auch länger und das Loch muss viel tiefer sein.