I’m just a rocket scientist, so aerodynamics are way beyond me, but I’m guessing that because the center of mass isn’t the center of the disc you’re getting amplified aerodynamic effects from the light side of the disc whipping into the air, kind of like it seems you were getting at. I think especially when it fades that’s what’s happening, because you’d be exaggerating the magnus effect (I think disc fade is related to that, like a sideways spinning golf ball). Maybe the weird turn behavior is also related to it being off center from some sort of gyroscopic effect. Gyroscopic precession is weird but if you look up a video called “dancing t handle in zero g” you can see a really cool example of weird gyroscopic stuff.
I’m no rocket scientist, but I was a race car engineer, and this is dead on. The center of pressure is between the center of rotation and the geometric center of the disc, and this is what causes the wobble. When it slows down near the end of the flight, I suspect this increases the amount of detached turbulent air flow, and it gets worse more quickly than a standard disc, resulting in the sharper curve than normal at the end of the flight. This all said, it is certainly consistent enough that you could use it to your advantage in some situations.
I’m no rocket scientist…. But as a quantum rocket surgeon I can confirm your hypothesis. The gyroscopic wobble being an exaggerated Magnus effect seems to be the correct diagnosis. My recommended operation for this issue would be to graft some of the large side thereby creating a perfectly circular aerodynamic throwing device. This will create less of a Magnus effect and a more predictable response to the air. The surgery is fairly low risk.
Quick aside, I'm pretty sure if disc fade was magnus effect related, it would go the other way. I am by no means a fluid dynamics expert, but i'm pretty sure turn and fade come from whether the center of lift is in front or behind the center of mass.
I don't like to laugh at people in pain.......But the water bottle thing is good. One time I threw a red disc way up in a ponderosa pine tree. I could see it up there and tried for 3 days to get it down. Finally, I enlisted the help of a friend that could throw a stick farther than me, and he hit it and knocked it down. I went to grab it, but it wasn't mine. It was like the twilight zone. I never found my disc.👀 Long story for the algorithm.
speaking of lost discs, you just reminded me that i threw my hatchet into a pond (after it hit a tree that i swear i didn’t see until it was hit by the disc) night sad now.
I just want to say that all of the work you've been putting in to edit these videos is incredible. The editing, flow, comedy, and just overall composition of this video is immaculate. Really well done
whole epic video please...as someone that has owned multiple over the years and keeps one in the bag currently Edit: epics are tunable and personally i find thumbers to be drastically easier with them
I have an epic at home that I threw quite a bit back when they came out (mostly tomahawks). Physics would tell you that holding the disc in a different spot wouldn't effect the flight characteristics due to it being a spinning round object. The only thing would be comfort of holding the disc.
I think people with smaller hands will appreciate being able to throw their comfortable 8ish speed rim and still get 9.5 speed flight characteristics out of it.
@@BodanzaDiscGolf How ET is legal is because disc is max on one side and the Aerobe epic helped set the maximum driver width because of skinny side even though most brands did not disc made in 14--15 speed off center discs are not ban but the way Aerobe did with Epic is Illegal apparently as you can make a slightly off-center disc provided all parts are round.
The epic is tunable. If I remember correctly, you bend it down to make it more understable and bend it up if you want it more overstable. It's for sure one of the funkiest discs out there and I have one in my collection. Should definitely make a full video with it.
an aunt had a bunch of old mostly base plastic discs she gave to me, and there was an epic in there, which was a nice surprise. too stable for my armspeed.
Might be good disc for adaptive disc golfers like myself. Due to congenital issues, speed 11/12 disc is about the max rim width I can throw consistently.
I'm a forehand-tomahawk only kinda guy and would love to see Jake Wolff rip on one of these. A lot of discs you have to have a lot of power to get the full tomahawk flight and it looks like that disc is trying to do it even though you don't usually throw that way.
I'm still mad I lost my new baja Dune last week in long grass at Fehringer. I had my number on it but still haven't gotten a call or text. Pretty cool they let you announce the next disc. I knew they had to be working on something even though the Ozone just dropped.
My theory is that you can change your spin rate by gripping the disc in different spots. This would explain why you get different flights because different spin rates at the same speed will fly differently
I think the rim change creates wobble and its the wobble that makes it fight out so fast. Its lessened at higher speeds/spin so it flips but as soon as it slows the wobble increases creating fade.
change your camera to 60 fps and crank the shutter speed to at least 1/120 or 1/240, go higher if you have the light to do so. you will be able to get really clean slow motion renders on a 30fps timeline and figure out your forehand wobble issue.
I would love to see some numbers from this thing with a tech disc device connected to it, And the disc thrown from different spots on the disc. I bet there would be some difference in rpm’s.
I have an Epic Disc. When tomahawking the disc you need to almost throw it like you are throwing a curve ball. It’s hard to explain but you need to snap/curve the throw out of your hand. The disc will flop on its backside and fly for ever.
What was the old school innova disc with the mismatched rim like that?? I had one, never got the hang of it and lost it somewhere. I think it might have been a Hammer?? The rim on the innova was much more pronounced. The wide part of the rim was def 14 speed or higher.
Hope you tune the epic when you make a video with it so you throw it for a bunch of different shots using its different stabilities. Looked like you needed a little flippier for that tomahawk to get that extra pan.
Agree with the numbers (5 seems generous.. 4 a bit harsh) so 4.5 seems right), but would subtract 1 (or at least .5) from turn and fade, due to elevation. So 9.5 4.5 -1.5 +2.5 It's going to be flippier at sea level. And I know enough about physics.... to know that I haven't a clue how this thing works. Would be cool to get a tech disc puck on one. I'll bet that the spin rate varies a lot depending on where you grip it, and that drives how long it holds turn, and how fast it fades.
I think the turn and fade are more right than not but I can see that for being in the realm I'd put it. I more compare it to other discs in my head when evaluating flight numbers, but I think yours could be right on too!
the whole point of the varying rim width is tuning. If you're not tuning it, it's just a regular fairway driver. Should go look up tuning with the Epic. Also, said with love: as a "physics person", virtually nothing you said makes sense.
Seems like an 11 speed with a 21.1cm diameter and 16.9 inside rim diameter - same dimensions as a Wraith or Mamba. So the small side of the rim on the ET is probably 1.8cm and the large side is 2.4cm for an average of 2.1cm
You're saying crazy things lol. The rotation that you are saying might keep the disc in the air on anhyzer is going to be pulling the same all the way around it's flight. So the heavy side may try to pull the disc up when it's traveling up, but as soon as that part of the disc gets to the other side of it's rotation, it will be pulling the disc down with the same force. When it flies in the air, you see it pulse, that is the disc pulling forward as the weight rotates to the front, but then pushing back towards you when the weight moves to the back. If you were able to spin it fast without the disc moving in any direction, it would look like it was out of balance or that a shaft wasn't quite drilled in the center of it.
u need to throw ur tomahawks with the bottom of the disc pointed towards the sky more. look at the angles ben and jake wolf throw theirs on. the top of the disc should be more pointed towards your body.
Couldn't help but wonder; If they fly "wobbling", would they just crash and sit on a roller shot instead of rolling or would they roll all skip jumpy like. Hard to imagine they would just roll neatly like other discs. Also would they get a "boost" thanks to the wobbling on a low skip shot on hard ground... Although the skip direction might be unpredictable depending on which part of the rim hits the ground🤔
I'd Love to win one of them. I'm a 55yo Vet that Watches Everyone in the Disc Golf Game. I Live for this Content! Awesome, and Interesting Video!! Ever Heard of an ABC Discs, "Flying Squirrel"? I Have One.
Some of your throws are a bit difficult to see. Perhaps you can do Ace Trace or a flight path tracer of some sort? Might make it easier for the viewers. The highlight is decent, but I think a tracer may be a better option. Regardless, I still really enjoy your vids.
Out of Curiosity, What camera do you use for this video? I found that you were using a Sony Alpha 7 in some of your older vids. Is it still that camera or have you changed it up?
I think with the Epics your supposed to be able to bend the disc both ways to make it fly more or less stable 🤔 not an epic thrower so not positive haha
That is definitely an "epic" disc. I thought the pdga regulations prevented a new disc like that from being approved after epic had released it. All discs need to be able to be cut in half at any point and both sides be the same as each other.
Pretty sure the epic isn't pdga approved anymore because the rim width is too large on the bigger side. I think they just need it to be symmetrical on one point, not at any point. I'm no expert though.
@@_phracture I believe the epic is still legal, as it met regulations prior to the changes. I went back to look at the disc manufacturing rules and I guess I must be going crazy, because I'm not seeing anything about symmetry. I could have swore a year or two ago I had seen that the disc had to be symmetrical if cut into two equal pieces but I guess I'm just crazy lol.
that would be nice but doubt it will happen anytime soon, too useful for marketing for companies, but on the consumer side it'd be so much better if they did
I’m just a rocket scientist, so aerodynamics are way beyond me, but I’m guessing that because the center of mass isn’t the center of the disc you’re getting amplified aerodynamic effects from the light side of the disc whipping into the air, kind of like it seems you were getting at. I think especially when it fades that’s what’s happening, because you’d be exaggerating the magnus effect (I think disc fade is related to that, like a sideways spinning golf ball). Maybe the weird turn behavior is also related to it being off center from some sort of gyroscopic effect. Gyroscopic precession is weird but if you look up a video called “dancing t handle in zero g” you can see a really cool example of weird gyroscopic stuff.
I’m no rocket scientist, but I was a race car engineer, and this is dead on. The center of pressure is between the center of rotation and the geometric center of the disc, and this is what causes the wobble. When it slows down near the end of the flight, I suspect this increases the amount of detached turbulent air flow, and it gets worse more quickly than a standard disc, resulting in the sharper curve than normal at the end of the flight. This all said, it is certainly consistent enough that you could use it to your advantage in some situations.
I’m no rocket scientist…. But as a quantum rocket surgeon I can confirm your hypothesis. The gyroscopic wobble being an exaggerated Magnus effect seems to be the correct diagnosis. My recommended operation for this issue would be to graft some of the large side thereby creating a perfectly circular aerodynamic throwing device. This will create less of a Magnus effect and a more predictable response to the air. The surgery is fairly low risk.
@@alechackett165😂
Just remember, if an aerodynamicist ever tells you they fully understand something they’re lying.
Quick aside, I'm pretty sure if disc fade was magnus effect related, it would go the other way. I am by no means a fluid dynamics expert, but i'm pretty sure turn and fade come from whether the center of lift is in front or behind the center of mass.
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I don't like to laugh at people in pain.......But the water bottle thing is good. One time I threw a red disc way up in a ponderosa pine tree. I could see it up there and tried for 3 days to get it down. Finally, I enlisted the help of a friend that could throw a stick farther than me, and he hit it and knocked it down. I went to grab it, but it wasn't mine. It was like the twilight zone. I never found my disc.👀 Long story for the algorithm.
speaking of lost discs, you just reminded me that i threw my hatchet into a pond (after it hit a tree that i swear i didn’t see until it was hit by the disc) night sad now.
This pretty much sums up an amateur "career" in disc golf, doesn't it? These plastic discs we throw so gleefully do some wild and crazy things.
We need Nick Krush DG the Aerospace engineer to analyze these 😂
I just want to say that all of the work you've been putting in to edit these videos is incredible. The editing, flow, comedy, and just overall composition of this video is immaculate. Really well done
The intro goes crazy
The logo on the box is an E & T, that also make a disc golf basket. Really clever and well done logo design.
whole epic video please...as someone that has owned multiple over the years and keeps one in the bag currently
Edit: epics are tunable and personally i find thumbers to be drastically easier with them
I have an epic at home that I threw quite a bit back when they came out (mostly tomahawks). Physics would tell you that holding the disc in a different spot wouldn't effect the flight characteristics due to it being a spinning round object. The only thing would be comfort of holding the disc.
You should draw a clock on the bottom rim to help you refer to different positions
I think people with smaller hands will appreciate being able to throw their comfortable 8ish speed rim and still get 9.5 speed flight characteristics out of it.
Don't make a tomahawk quota with the Epic unless you get a very serious pitchers warm-up. Don't wreck yer shoulder
Don't worry, I'd be fine but I'll check with my trainer beforehand. I'm more certain than not that we train in the ranges of motion required!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf How ET is legal is because disc is max on one side and the Aerobe epic helped set the maximum driver width because of skinny side even though most brands did not disc made in 14--15 speed off center discs are not ban but the way Aerobe did with Epic is Illegal apparently as you can make a slightly off-center disc provided all parts are round.
The epic is tunable. If I remember correctly, you bend it down to make it more understable and bend it up if you want it more overstable. It's for sure one of the funkiest discs out there and I have one in my collection. Should definitely make a full video with it.
an aunt had a bunch of old mostly base plastic discs she gave to me, and there was an epic in there, which was a nice surprise. too stable for my armspeed.
Might be good disc for adaptive disc golfers like myself. Due to congenital issues, speed 11/12 disc is about the max rim width I can throw consistently.
Or smaller hand people like me who can wear boys/kids XL, women's Small, or men's/unisex XS in gloves.
I'm a forehand-tomahawk only kinda guy and would love to see Jake Wolff rip on one of these. A lot of discs you have to have a lot of power to get the full tomahawk flight and it looks like that disc is trying to do it even though you don't usually throw that way.
I’m guessing the center of gravity isn’t in the middle of the disc. Which is why it looks like it’s wobbling side to side in the air
ooh! I didn't even think of this, cool though!
I'm still mad I lost my new baja Dune last week in long grass at Fehringer. I had my number on it but still haven't gotten a call or text. Pretty cool they let you announce the next disc. I knew they had to be working on something even though the Ozone just dropped.
Gotta get that Epic to barrel roll and flatten out. When done correctly, it's one of the cooler flights a disc can make. I believe in you!
The sneaky edit was pretty Cool. Nice job
Very interesting to see it change based on which part of the disc you're holding
Thank you for your insights on the ET II
I’m honestly home baby. Can’t wait to pick this one up.
Same! I hope they make white ones out the gate to dye 🤤
My theory is that you can change your spin rate by gripping the disc in different spots. This would explain why you get different flights because different spin rates at the same speed will fly differently
I think the rim change creates wobble and its the wobble that makes it fight out so fast. Its lessened at higher speeds/spin so it flips but as soon as it slows the wobble increases creating fade.
change your camera to 60 fps and crank the shutter speed to at least 1/120 or 1/240, go higher if you have the light to do so. you will be able to get really clean slow motion renders on a 30fps timeline and figure out your forehand wobble issue.
hi, crazy Doomsday weirdo disc frolfling here,
I'M ORDERING 5.
New logo looks sick! (I’ll tell you it appears in the video but not where to avoid spoiling it) :)
haha yeah ik, It's been visible more and more in each video i "hide" it ;)
It’s a 9 hole course but we sometimes add a hole 10 for league and tournaments.
ahh, that makes sense!
I would love to see some numbers from this thing with a tech disc device connected to it, And the disc thrown from different spots on the disc. I bet there would be some difference in rpm’s.
I have an Epic Disc. When tomahawking the disc you need to almost throw it like you are throwing a curve ball. It’s hard to explain but you need to snap/curve the throw out of your hand. The disc will flop on its backside and fly for ever.
Best disc golf content on yt
thank you!
watch J Milly if you haven't yet, his stuff is PRIMO
Idk if I have any business throwing a disc like this, but this video made me want one
I’m no rocket scientist but bodanza the 🐐
@@jmillydg maybe the kid bc you’re the 🐐
We need a TechDisc puck on the ET2. My guess is the rim thickness at grip is mainly tweaking the angular velocity (rate of spin).
Agreed, I had a segment I cut from the vid where I talked about it bc I was too rambly lolol
I believe gateway had a disc named the extraterrestrial so e2 would make sense.
ahh cool! good to know!
What was the old school innova disc with the mismatched rim like that?? I had one, never got the hang of it and lost it somewhere. I think it might have been a Hammer??
The rim on the innova was much more pronounced. The wide part of the rim was def 14 speed or higher.
Centennial is a fun little track. That creek has eaten many of my discs
Hope you tune the epic when you make a video with it so you throw it for a bunch of different shots using its different stabilities. Looked like you needed a little flippier for that tomahawk to get that extra pan.
I'd definitely try that if I do it!
If you had a 2nd channel with edited version of these long videos it would be amazing
Agree with the numbers (5 seems generous.. 4 a bit harsh) so 4.5 seems right), but would subtract 1 (or at least .5) from turn and fade, due to elevation. So 9.5 4.5 -1.5 +2.5 It's going to be flippier at sea level. And I know enough about physics.... to know that I haven't a clue how this thing works. Would be cool to get a tech disc puck on one. I'll bet that the spin rate varies a lot depending on where you grip it, and that drives how long it holds turn, and how fast it fades.
I think the turn and fade are more right than not but I can see that for being in the realm I'd put it. I more compare it to other discs in my head when evaluating flight numbers, but I think yours could be right on too!
Love the production effects.
Prefer the midnight uploads.
* midnight gang represent.
the whole point of the varying rim width is tuning. If you're not tuning it, it's just a regular fairway driver. Should go look up tuning with the Epic.
Also, said with love: as a "physics person", virtually nothing you said makes sense.
blue and orange? yuk! Roll Tide. Cool disc and cool video
Do you think that different release points with thickness variation allow for a different RPM and allow for variable stability based off of the RPM?
The intro scene was awesome!
Your videos are so good
Thank you so much :)
it is like taking a boomerang and making it into a disc
Wow. Literally watched beard meats food right before this and had the exact same music playing at the beginnning. It was like dejavu
Seems like an 11 speed with a 21.1cm diameter and 16.9 inside rim diameter - same dimensions as a Wraith or Mamba. So the small side of the rim on the ET is probably 1.8cm and the large side is 2.4cm for an average of 2.1cm
Website says “for public release August 5th” on the product announcement. So that’s pretty exciting”. New disc soon??
You're saying crazy things lol.
The rotation that you are saying might keep the disc in the air on anhyzer is going to be pulling the same all the way around it's flight. So the heavy side may try to pull the disc up when it's traveling up, but as soon as that part of the disc gets to the other side of it's rotation, it will be pulling the disc down with the same force. When it flies in the air, you see it pulse, that is the disc pulling forward as the weight rotates to the front, but then pushing back towards you when the weight moves to the back. If you were able to spin it fast without the disc moving in any direction, it would look like it was out of balance or that a shaft wasn't quite drilled in the center of it.
Just gonna say that the intro was phenomenal!
thank you!
Neighbors saw bodanza walking around in the panda costume and thought literally nothing of it. Just another day in the life for the Q-word boy.
So excited for this!!!!
u need to throw ur tomahawks with the bottom of the disc pointed towards the sky more. look at the angles ben and jake wolf throw theirs on. the top of the disc should be more pointed towards your body.
You’re on to something with using sprinklers to accelerate pro play.
That damn water bottle has been haunting you since the circuit challenge. Centennial!
Different one luckily, I would’ve broken my foot if it was the metal one!!!
Couldn't help but wonder; If they fly "wobbling", would they just crash and sit on a roller shot instead of rolling or would they roll all skip jumpy like. Hard to imagine they would just roll neatly like other discs. Also would they get a "boost" thanks to the wobbling on a low skip shot on hard ground... Although the skip direction might be unpredictable depending on which part of the rim hits the ground🤔
I'd Love to win one of them. I'm a 55yo Vet that Watches Everyone in the Disc Golf Game. I Live for this Content! Awesome, and Interesting Video!! Ever Heard of an ABC Discs, "Flying Squirrel"? I Have One.
Yeah! They're cool, I've thrown one on the channel in a "my patrons hate me" mystery box video, and the lightweight version in my dino discs video!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf I wish They would sent me Discs to Review. I'm 55, But I can smash some Drives...
Collaboration between two companies is my guess for II.
Bars lol, that was awesome!
This discs looks fun
Some of your throws are a bit difficult to see. Perhaps you can do Ace Trace or a flight path tracer of some sort? Might make it easier for the viewers. The highlight is decent, but I think a tracer may be a better option. Regardless, I still really enjoy your vids.
"Smoothies only today." Hole 7 - 👀
It was a smoothie baby ;)
clearly bonanza in the panda suit given away with the hand size and black ring
nuh uh
25:02 sick stamp!
thanks, coming soon!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf if its on a Roman I might have to cop
it'll be on that and 3 others ;)
Out of Curiosity, What camera do you use for this video? I found that you were using a Sony Alpha 7 in some of your older vids. Is it still that camera or have you changed it up?
@@rooster700rr yeah a7iv
whoa they made an Aerobe Epic
100%
Except about 40% less crazy wide rim.
The epic basically had an actual wing on one side.
@@chucksherron I’m familiar with an epic. If it makes you feel better we can call it an epic junior
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Do thumpers barrel roll to flat and glide? Epics were epic.
Sick disc..good video
This is awesome.
It's the funkiest flying orc ive ever seen. I want 🤑
I do like your goals
I think with the Epics your supposed to be able to bend the disc both ways to make it fly more or less stable 🤔 not an epic thrower so not positive haha
I thought the symbol was the Japanese 'post' symbol until I realized there are three horizontal lines. Must be a play on it.
Yo first view
First like
first comment
First edit
JMilly-style checklist is the move. Make that the intro and cut the video down and your audience gets much wider
Make the videos longer, so the boomers with an attention span and a thick wallet can be woved and buy the shit.
The Epic is meant to be “bent” and thrown overhand.
Can we PLEASE get Tony's thoughts??????
That is definitely an "epic" disc. I thought the pdga regulations prevented a new disc like that from being approved after epic had released it. All discs need to be able to be cut in half at any point and both sides be the same as each other.
I guess not 🤷♂
Pretty sure the epic isn't pdga approved anymore because the rim width is too large on the bigger side. I think they just need it to be symmetrical on one point, not at any point. I'm no expert though.
@@_phracture I believe the epic is still legal, as it met regulations prior to the changes. I went back to look at the disc manufacturing rules and I guess I must be going crazy, because I'm not seeing anything about symmetry. I could have swore a year or two ago I had seen that the disc had to be symmetrical if cut into two equal pieces but I guess I'm just crazy lol.
Does all this work over the past few weeks to hide the stamp and then shows it for 30 seconds cause he got so excited. 🤣
uh oh 👀🤷♂️
how did I miss that in my 3 final passes of the vid 👀
Hey AB, you are showing big gains in the physique! You're clearly larger now, giving Ezra a run for his money 😅❤
definitely not even close to Ezra, but thanks, been working a lot on training and mostly strength/biomechanics but physique is a great side benefit!
what course?
clark centennial
That piece of plastic seems fun
Pffff that wasn’t a real panda… unless the panda stole your wedding band 🤔
nah dude, real panda, you're crazy 👀
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Lol, what's up with the random eerie music at minute 7:50
gotta be spooky
Want to improve pace of play? Hose em
I don’t want one…. I need one
why bro tryna be mysterious in the intro
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Bars.
What the fudge?
I have better flights throwing a thumber than I do a tommy with my epic.
Also, please gift me one of those discs. I really want.
FOR the LOVE of GOD STANDARDIZE the NUMBERS!
that would be nice but doubt it will happen anytime soon, too useful for marketing for companies, but on the consumer side it'd be so much better if they did
Brother these thumbnail faces are getting out of hand. 😂
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Woah
Top 5 like
First like, comment, and I think view
@@andrewkriek7666 nuh uh
Bro took j milly’s video ideas and his style of videos… do your own thing bodanza
I just searched for 45 minutes for socials. Can you please convince both to make a inner core in lunar plastic 🫡
The whole point of the trash panda discs are having them in 100% recycled plastic