The Traitors Season 2: Big Brother's Andy Herren Talks Through Dan's Downfall, Peter's Recruitment?
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren joins host Sharon Tharp to break down the latest episode of The Traitors: US season 2. They discuss Dan's downfall and ultimate banishment, what he could have done differently, and whether or not this affects his BB legacy. They also talk through how Parvati's game may play out, the amazing television that is Phaedra, and the potential recruitment of Peter.
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love andy's takes, we need more andy herren
Dan felt Pahedra was expendable as a traitor and was trying to sabotage her. He felt more allegiance to Parvati.
But it was between him and Parvati which he knew, so it really made no sense for him to go after Phaedra.
He didn't think Phaedra was expendable, he thought she was a threat. Dan has said in interviews there is no way he could win the game with Phaedra still in it because she was playing so well, so he had to get her out to have any chance to win.
@@jasonenglisbe9646 I know what he said in his interviews but to be honest it still doesn't make sense to me bc if he thought Phaedra was that invincible then why go after her? Why would he think he could get the votes to oust her? None of it made sense.
@@bliss448 I don't know if he had full confidence it would work, but Parvati was his #1 and he seemingly thought he could rattle Phaedra and thought identifying an actual traitor would make him look good. I think his plan made sense for him, but needed to do it an episode earlier.
@@jasonenglisbe9646 I'm just not really buying what he's selling bc it makes him sound stupid which I know he's not. But anyway at the end of the day it's not that important.
I really wish Andy was invited to BB22. I think he could've flipped that game upside down. He's such an underrated player. Would love to see him on Traitors.
Nope! He would’ve gone with the majority.
Sharon's interview with Dr. Will really was one of the best interviews of all time. He's a trip and a half.
I think Dan wants a “I told you so” moment by going after Phaedra. Like a foreshadow, because they all will go back to this moment when they find out.
But it's not really a good "I told you so" when you literally have the information. Janelle has a better "I told you so" case since she sussed Dan out but was banished over him. Dan telling people something he didn't have to figure out isn't really worthy of an "I told you so."
It’s not a told you so moment. It’s not like he actually been watching Phaedra. He knew because he’s one too!
Dan was in over his head here
Danielle R. and Britney H. On the same season, after their little conflict on Reindeer Games would be epic.
His legacy won't be tarnished but it was still shocking to see how badly he played for someone with a legacy like that.
You guys are complicating a very clear point. He wanted to blow up Phaedras game who he never respected from the very first meeting after recruiting Parvati:
He has said that he wanted to work with Pavarti til the end
That's fine, but he initially said he recruited her to use her as a shield. Not sure when that changed.
@@jasonenglisbe9646 True. Who knows. We miss s lot. He said this in an interview afterwards.
@@EmilyBee. I'm sure in working together as traitors he developed more loyalty/rapport with her so that could be the reason things changed. Still, going after Phaedra out of nowhere over Parvati whose name was also out there was just a dumb move.
@@jasonenglisbe9646 Yes, but he says he did not see a road to the end with Phaedra.. his reasoning.
@@EmilyBee. Yeah, and is correct. If they get down to that final voting to win the money, no one is keeping him in the game (and certainly not over Phaedra).
Dan messed up phaedra's game which was really petty of him. He told Trishelle that he knows who the traitor is and will expose them. Deliberately outing a fellow traitor should not be allowed. A traitor should not bring up another traitor's name at the round table, but can throw them under the bus when someone else brings them up. Dan isn't a fair player.
It's more common than you think, a traitor outing another traitor. I don't want to spoil too much (so just fair warning) but in Australian Traitors, one of the traitors specifically named names and outed other ones in order to narrow the competition for themselves. Because they wanted the prize pot at the end for themselves, not to share it. It would also make them look faithful, outing someone that's a traitor at the roundtable. And for the most part it worked in that season. For them it was strategy; not so much personal.
Wouldn't be surprised if Dan was thinking the same. Out a traitor, look more faithful to ppl, keep his #1 Alliance in Parvati intact which is the vibe I was getting with his choice.
Right from the beginning … saying Dan is a flop ….. Love this guy!!!! And his honesty …. His fans defense of his traitors game is so cringe
I think what Dan did was just kind of bitter and disrespectful. He knows he was never going to win but insecure men tend to burn everything down if they lose. I think he believed in his own hype and couldn’t accept a reality that the “infamous Dan”wasn’t going to win and in fact be the first traitor banished. He has no game when playing against people out of his bubble. He doesn’t seem malicious but I think he has a savior complex and believes his own lies.
Also I’d challenge Andy to not interrupt, but if he does he shouldn’t start all of his sentences with “I”. Calm down buddy it’s not all about you
You go Andy. Hope you can be cast for traitors 3
Trishelle 20 years of learning. Shes not alright with Anessa & Peppermint. Now shes going after Phaedra. Oh no! But getting death threats is digusting.
Aneesa uses the race or different orientation shit when she gets criticized and Peppermint is a horrible player so who cares about him.
Izzy should play. I listened to her talk about Traitors and strategies for the show.
dan probably wants parvati to win
I enjoy Andy’s perspective. I think Dan was a terrible traitor. Sadly, this wasn’t his game. If we want to be honest modern big brother isn’t is game anymore either. It’s was nice seeing him on my tv. But we all came with so many expectations just to see what happens to an athlete that hasn’t performed in a long time.
Also, if Peter accepts. He’s going to win the game. He has solidified his alliance. They will stand with him traitor or not.
If a traitor gets banished they definitely can't say who the other traitors are. They can target each other within the game, but it has to be based on game stuff. There would obviously have to be some more specifics within that framework.
Kind of random, but Trishelle was on the New Orleans season of Married at First Sight a few years ago quite a bit. One of her friends was one of the cast members so she was at the wedding and a bunch of other events they filmed for the show. I had totally forgotten about her until then and I’m so glad she’s back on tv!
I guess Andy never watched the Challenge. CT is the goat of intimidation & flattery. Women flock to him.
This was a great recap. The prize pool is at 95,500. Andy is right, Dan would have been better as a faithful. I think he got lucky to make it as far as he did cause the producers didnt want a traitor to leave early. Even if Dan thru Phaedras name out there he was up a creek without a paddle. I think Janelle's banishment was a real wake up call. The faithful needed to start to play this game. So far I have liked Andy and Wentworth as cohosts. If Sharon got co hosts for either her Big Brother coverage or Traitors season 3 recap they would be great co hosts. Peter is also the last person I suspect people would have seen as a smart player in this game. He learned well from Janelle.
❤ Andy!!!
Would love to see Andy and Vanessa on season 3!
That would be amazing! Andy the most underrated winner and Vanessa's one of the best to never win (#1, 2, or 3).
Cirie Fields has been great on every show she’s been on. She won The Traitors, and made Top 5 on Big Brother. Don’t shade the Queen.
Peter has no way of knowing that there's no murder tonight so he's under the pressure that if he won't accept, he'll be in danger of getting murdered. So for sure he'll accept the invitation. And now he's insulated with faithfuls who trusts him, he is going so deep in the endgame.
Yeah, very unclear if he knows anything or if they tell him rules. I think they leave contestants very in the dark so they can pivot and not be locked in on any rules in order to make good tv and change things as the game flows. A bit annoying for contestants and viewers who are interested in how the game works, or just paying attention.
@@EmilyBee. accepting will be very good for his game long term. Not accepting will make him the biggest target to murder even if its just Phaedra left.
If he rejects the offer and then gets Parvati banished, I doubt he'd be in danger of murder. Phaedra doesn't have a reason to murder him at this point because he isn't after her.
@@jasonenglisbe9646 Phaedra’s choices are limited at this point despite feeling safe. She knows letting a good “detective” stay is going to be dangerous. Plus nobody will suspect her anyway.
@@mercurytoad Well Trishelle is now onto Phaedra, though Phaedra likely doesn't know that yet. Also Janelle has said in interviews that Phaedra's name had been thrown out there some (but then I'd imagine everyone's name was thrown out at some point).
Dan is over party!!! Clocked in
I think Big Brother players have a disadvantage on the Traitors because it’s played at a way faster pace than BB. Survivor players can adapt because Survivor is also played at a faster pace than BB
Love your content Sharon but would appreciate if you could make titles/thumbnails less spoiler-y for these and exit interviews, especially as it seems like you’re getting screeners and this goes up before most of us have had a chance to watch the episode
so sorry about that! thank you for letting me know!
@@ExclusivelyPodlol then you proceed to not change the title?
If Dan had voted for Parv and then Parv was eliminated, he would’ve had to go back to the turret having just thrown Phaedra under the bus.
Ok soooo. There is recruiting and there is blackmailing. When you recruit, the faithful can say yes or no. When you blackmail, they either join or die. The blackmailing comes in later and the show decides when you recruit and when you blackmail. Sometimes they force you to recruit even if the traitors don’t want to. The traitors are not allow to reveal the other traitors. They take an oath. But they can speculate with the others all they want. So they can’t be banished and then reveal the other traitors. But yeah they are adding rules here and there across the franchise.
Where have you seen blackmaililing? I haven’t seen it and have watached the UK season 1 and Australia Season 1, and US.. And where did you see the traitors being forced to receuit?
Alex literally blackmails kate at the end of the game. @@EmilyBee. I also think there was a blackmail on season 1 of UK as well.
Yeah I think if Parvati and Phaedra had chosen to murder instead of recruit, then the blackmail would have come in the next episode (especially if Parvati had been banished as no way do they just have 1 traitor).
@@jasonenglisbe9646 I have never heard of banishment and watched all series and episodes on peacock.. so where did you see that? Soemone mentioned a Dutch series, where is that viewable?
At the point there is one traitor they dont have option to recruit they must, unless at very end.
@@EmilyBee. I don't think you mean banishment as that's the roundtable vote. In Traitors UK season 1, when it was just Wilf as a traitor, he recruited Kieran. Kieran's ultimatum was either become a traitor or get murdered.
Didn't they take an oath, when they accepted the role of traitor, that they would never reveal the name of the other traitors?
They can't say "I know you're a traitor," but then can target a fellow traitor for game reasons.
@KathlnNJ I felt the same way. Didn’t he even straight up tell Trishelle that he knows who one of them is?
@@glg8228 It's a matter of context and word choice. The traitors can't say they know someone else is a traitor because they themselves are so they know the others. Traitors can use evidence of things within the game to say they have figured a traitor out, though.
I don’t think Dan was a good sport. He literally blew up Phaedra’s game bc she was playing better than him
THIS!!!!
CT doesn't think like a gamer? WHAT?! 🥴
So sad…still love Dan!
Hi! Janelle revealed on another pod that very early in the game Dan told them (Trishelle, Janelle, etc), he would "hand" them a Traitor.
Dan just wanted to sabotage Phaedra's game. He went out like a Bitter Betty.
I'd love to see Tony Vlachos (as a Traitor) & Derrick (as a Faithful) play.
Only bad things about Derrick being a faithful is that if they know who he is, they’re going to murder him first because he’s going to be able to find out who the traitors are. I think him as a traitor would be more fun to watch but I think it could go either way too. Tony would be fun to watch wether he’s a traitor or faithful lol
Right! Tony is great for either role for sure. @bboylupefiasco
@@bboylupefiasco Exactly. This is a huge problem with Traitors. It's way too easy for Traitors to get out good faithfuls through murder. It makes it so the best strat is for a faithful to work with a traitor so they stay safe, which is at odds with the whole point of the show.
Trishelle was on AllStars but I get you Shannon
I think Dan wanted to help take the heat off off Parvati as much as he could on his way out, and wasn’t willing to betray her even tho he had a better shot at staying if he would’ve targeted her instead of Phaedra.i think if he would’ve truly thought throwing Parvati under the bus would save him, he would’ve done it. I think he was just threatened by Phaedras social standing and knew he could never win if he went to the end with her. And he was hoping for a second dans funeral moment lol
Cirie is great but she may not win if she plays in Season 2 with so many GREAT players !!!
Recruited person could always say no. There is an additional recruitment that happens when only one traitor is left. The recruited person can reject the recruitment, but if they do then the traitor is forced to kill them that night.
I disagree on Dan being a good sport. He intentionally blew up Phaedra’s so far flawless game. His goal was to take Parvati to the end.
He was trying to win. He was about to be voted out. What did you expect him to do? Just give up and leave?
well what was he supposed to do
I agree. In one round table all traitors names were revealed. Terrible move. He had options but I feel that Dan can only play with certain types of people. I felt that he lacked flexibility to use alternative strategies. It’s unfortunate to see. But such is life
he should have thrown Parvati under the bus! She was the other person on the Faithful’s radar! He intentionally tried to blow up Phaedra for absolutely no reason! Doesn’t smell right to me!
@@lunab3118💯🎯
Traitors always turn on eachother at some point. Dans back was against the wall, and he was never going to turn on Parv (they are close). It’s just a game lol. Dan is and has always been a class act.
In the UK Traitors a player declined being recruited, and the next morning no one was murdered. The player then got to decide if she told people or not. In this case if Peter declines, it could work for him because then they could banish Parvati and only Phaedra would be left as a traitor.
That happened on another version as well but the recruitee went to breakfast and told everyone and was murdered the next night. I would do that.
@@allonjayd.5057 Yeah, and I assume that's why Peter will accept being a traitor. Having said that, he could potentially reject the offer and get Parvati banished and then he might not get murdered if Phaedra is the only traitor.
Oh yes Josh Martinez should also be on, Danielle Reyes as well, Britney H
They should’ve recruited TRISHELLE …. Then she could’ve turned her team against each other . However choosing Peter he will still need to come for Parvati while getting the other two to send the distraction to someone else . In particularly Phaedra . Start dropping hints on someone and at round table speak first and say as someone who was shockingly nominated suddenly last wk I would like a moment to speak … drop some facts/opinions then Peter can still be the only one to vote Parvati by saying during the debate yea it may possibly be the person Phaedra says … and still voting Parvati
Choosing Peter was giving the win to Peter . He’s going all the way
TRISHELLE has also been doing challenges and stuff for a while ( years ago ) … I remember auditioning for the same Real World cast she ended up making . I think it was the Vegas season . And they didn’t cast any LGBTQ that year . I was so sad 😂
In season one the recruitment person could turn down the invitation too
Sharon, you should get Johny Bananas on here..
On Season 1 a recruited Traitor can say no too...that's what i thought I heard and saw.
Traitors can't directly call out other Traitors per the Traitor's Oath... but they can indirectly work around it, which is what we have seen done in the show. There is a line for sure. It sucks that Dan pretty much blew both Parvati's and Phaedra's almost impeccable game so far with his delusional strategy. Not impressed. It's giving bitter.
No, Traitors are allowed to call out other traitors as long as it's not in the circle of truth. It's perfectly fair game, it's just bad strategy to do it directly.
Sharon can barely get a word in 😂 calm down dude!
I found out Dan He is jealous of all strong and handsome men in the game.
Twitter is trash
Uh…. OK
Trishell is utter Trash 🗑️ 🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
For sure