This Is The BEST Battery Upgrade for your TALARIA/SURRON! | Electron 60v 63ah
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- In todays video we compare the range of the electron cycles 60v 63ah battery to the stock 32ah battery in a Surron! This includes the top speed test in MPH and important specs!
This battery is a BEAST! I am thoroughly impressed, being able to do up to 60 miles on a charge whilst doing a top speed of over 60mph on a heavy bike!
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**DISCLAIMER I haven’t used or opened any other battery personally but have seen circulated images online on KO’s Discord & Facebook of certain brands having bits of wood inside and other foreign items***
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Wet day then. I'm very happy with my 60v Battery from electron Cycles. More usable power and range has been plenty for me.
Nice work
Bac4 and that battery is all your need on a Ron 💯 nice video man
Thanks man! Youre so right - Appreciate the support! 🎥👍🏻
What about on a TALARIA. Is bac 4000 suitable still or is back 8000 needed
I believe for talaria you would need a BAC8000
Or X9000@@stingyrogerr
this video is so underrated! good stuff! fairplay mate!
Appreciate that man! Means a lot ❤️
Sorry if I missed it, but what controller do you run this battery with for the Talaria set up? Thanks!!
Hey brother,
No problem! I have a KO nano controller, I made a video review on my channel about it!
Since making this video it has been retuned and now makes 13kw and capable of 70 mph GPS!
Check out some of my other content if you get a chance plenty of good products recommendations and riding !
Thanks for watching @Triggamike!
Thank you so much! one more question.. Do you still have stock motor for this much power? Also it looks like I can't order this battery in the states so I will have to look elsewhere. My MX3 Talaria is getting delivered today!!! I'm 240 lbs so I am worried stock everything wont be enough. Thanks!
@@Triggamike you’re welcome!
You can get the same controller as me in the USA!
In regards to my motor, yes the motor is still stock! I have a motor temperature gauge on my controller app and it never even gets hot!
I think stock motor is fine for 13kw! Only when you get to 14kw and above it starts to get warm!
240lbs is much heavier than me, I would suggest starting with your suspension, then move onto a upgraded controller!
This battery looks fantastic, here in North America we have « Chi » batteries that has two 60V offerings: a 64Ah and a 75Ah but both are huge and are taller than what the battery compartment and its cover can accommodate. It also apparently sags when the voltage drops. I guess the type of cells matters a lot.
Hopefully we will get some kind of comparable battery here, or else I’ll need to figure out a way to have these shipped out to Quebec once I’m ready! 😏
Contact the guys at electron cycles they may be able to advise you the best way to go! I am super happy with my battery! Thanks for watching!!
Chi batteries uses some of the very best cylindrical cells on the market they're molicel great for high discharge rate. Ebmx uses pouch cells which technically perform better but pouch cells could be a risk on a dirtbike.
Electron cycles 72v batteries use molicell cylindrical batteries too. The 60v im using was designed for range rather than high discharge. Check out the specs on their website www.electroncycles.co.uk/product/sur-ron-72v-42ah-konig-500a-burst-3025wh/
Thats the battery designed for speed
Yes lad you even made a video already answering my question on other video 😎
Haha yes but this video is old and have retuned the controller and increased the power a lot since this video. Much much faster now. Have a look on the channel there is a few more videos. My video from last week is the best 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@stingyrogerrmate Im literally currently binge watching your vids 😅 you deserve so much more subscribers the graft your putting in 👊
Appreciate the support bro, means a lot - more to come! 💪🏼😎
Hey guys. I’m buying a Talaria sting r mx4 soon that comes with a 60v 45ah battery. The range I would get on sport mode is about 20 miles with the throttle pinned. If I bought a 60v 65ah battery for it would I get much of an increase b in range? How much roughly? Thanks
I’ve been out with a few guys on the stock STING R MX4 Batteries the increase in ah between mx3 and mx4 means no additional range as the 15% increase in battery capacity is made useless by the extra 30% power the bike has.
I go out and film these videos and can do 50/60 miles on a charge, its usually at the 25 mile mark the stock sting R is dead and I still have 30 miles or so left in the 65ah! Remember the stock batteries show 0% left when they are at 54v. With an aftermarket battery you can go down to 48v before its empty, to compare them both here is a simple visual aid :
60v 65ah gives you 4020wh of usable range
60v 45ah stock gives you 1620wh of usable range.
@@stingyrogerr wow that’s an insane difference . I think I’ll be upgrading to 65ah as soon as I can . Thank you 🙏
Do you have an upgraded controller on the Talaria? I’m just wondering if you’re getting that big speed increase with just the upgraded battery alone..kinda blows my mind if so haha
Hey mate I run an upgraded controller, check out my other latest videos on my channel for all the details on my build !
I now run 13kw on this battery top speed over 70mph 👍🏻
Dang thats awesome man!!! I was thinking it would make more sense to stay with 60v more room for more Capacity.. I was looking at the ebmx 60v 65ah for my Talaria. you do not recommend ebmx.? I Live in the united states so not sure if the one you have is available here.. also it will be a while till i could afford a battery i'm lucky enough to have a stock Talaria i'm just a Broke man Boy lol..
I heard that EBMX first batch had a bit of a bad reputation for having wood and foam ect.
I think their new batteries are much better! I went for the 63ah because it fit without any modifications to the battery lid!
Best of luck man! 🫡🤙🏻
@@stingyrogerr yeah looks way better with out a ugly hump lol sick build man.. and thank you best of luck to you and yours as well.. 🤘🙃🤘
Pieces of wood and expanding foam? I’ve opened mine and not seen anything a like ?🤔
Maybe it was just KO spreading propaganda but it was not just them reporting it. They had photos on facebook and discord claiming it was their competition with bits of wood ect inside! The images were on the KO-Portal on FB 👍🏻👍🏻
@@stingyrogerr It was most definitely propaganda. I've had my 72v57ah open and have also seen nothing of the sort.
Thanks for letting me know guys! Appreciate it! KO aren’t exactly in my good books anyway so this rubs salt in 👍🏻
@@jon8347 same propaganda as « build from ground controller and firmware » 😂
The bmebmx battery is potted to fill any inside space. No wood or foam used.
Hi,I've watched a couple of your videos recently, I also have a 4 year old surron that's totally stock other than the belt drive conversion, it has the cable throttle on it and I've found it is more controllable at lower speeds down to 2mph excellent for trail ridding which is what I use it for, I have fitted a surron electronic throttle on it in the past but it felt like a switch, I couldn't go at lower speeds on technical stuff, it would only work down to about 10mph, I have the KO nano controller to fit and I'm about to buy the electron cycles 60v 65ah marathon battery ,I was just wondering if you've sorted the throttle response on your talaria yet or has it got any better, I'm also testing the new 8kw talaria sting r this week so possibly I might swap the surron for a talaria and get an electron battery for that, I only use my bike for ridding local trails so I'm after a bike that's capable of doing both technical and not to fast routes but I want as long a ride time as possible, cheers Russ.
Hi Russ! Firstly, thanks for watching!
So the orange surron had a cable throttle which I switched out for the 2022 electric throttle, I only switched it out due to the cable throttle becoming real stiff and worn otherwise I’d still be running it as I loved the way it felt!
To answer your question regarding the KO Nano - No, I still have some throttle hang and it doesn’t feel natural. KO will tell you they can fix it and ‘tune it out’ but after 3 full sessions and weeks of back and forth they couldn’t fix it and just bump up your regen braking to combat it.
I am at 11Kw at the moment but when I go down to 8kw throttle issues are not as noticeable. I think if you run a lower power you will be okay but then at that power you may as well have the new Talaria R and change just the battery…!
In regards to the electron cycles 60v65ah, that battery looks great and im sure youll love it, i have the 63ah version personally as it fit in my talaria without modifying the battery lid hinges!
Cheers! 👍🏻
Thanks for getting back to me, on your recent electron cycles battery test was your bike set at 11kw if so that's impressive having 70% left compared to 25% on a standard surron, also did you notice an upgrade in power fron the standard battery to the electron one as on their website they say the 60v 65ah battery for the surron will give you up to 10mph more and 650watts extra power.
No problem! I went straight from stock to 11kw on my talaria! It gets a bit confusing as electron cycles have so many different batteries for both talaria and surron!
This is the specific battery I have : www.electroncycles.co.uk/product/talaria-60v-63ah-long-range-direct-swap/
I never tested it on the stock controller so I can’t answer unfortunately as I ordered the battery and controller together at the same time - however… going from stock to 11kw with the KO nano controller felt incredible, it felt so much faster than before it was hard to believe it was the same bike 🤣😍
Please let me know what you think of the Talaria Sting R. I wonder if people can immediately notice the extra 2kw over the normal talaria sting!
OK no problem, I've spoken to my local dealer this afternoon as I was going tomorrow to have a look at one but they have already sold it, should have another one in in a couple of weeks so I'll let you know how I go on, cheers Russ.
Hi bud, I purchased the 60v 63ah battery & bac4 from electron cycles for my sur Ron lbx 2022. Nice bit of kit btw. Had an issue. Installed as per instructions went out for the day trail riding bike cut out done remote session electron told me to send bac4 back for replacement. Received bac4 installed as per went for a ride same thing happened. Remote session again was told its my motor temp to high motor not hot to touch. I never open the throttle up to go flat out. Motor only done 400 miles on stock. New motor I need. Are you running standard motor on talaria?
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Hey bro! Thanks for commenting and subscribing really appreciate the support!
So i have the stock motor on my talaria, if you motor is not hot to the touch your sensor inside the motor may be bad? The hall sensor, its an easy replacement, it could be giving the BAC the wrong readings.
I did a couple of times have a motor temperature warning on the talaria when I set the DC Amps over 165 and would cut out. But the error code was just generic and the real reason was that the battery BMS was cutting it out as It was too much power! Maybe try lowering your amps! This battery wants to be around 165A 560 phase amps max!
🤞 hope this helps. Try lowering the power firstly though!
Cheers bud. I await new content⚡️. Your vidz are interesting.
I’m unable to gain access to bacdoor app or can I do it on the asi controller? I’ve downloaded the kilowatt app but again my phone not picking up the bike on Bluetooth.
I’ll try the hall sensor to see if I can get it up & running again.
I’m thinking about getting qs165 motor to deal with the kw.
@@Ah85661 if you got the BAC from electron it may be locked? Unsure as I have only used KO bro! 👍🏻
@@stingyrogerr probs bud. Aw well I’ll give it a go and see if I can change it on the screen ⚡️
Sadly thers seems to be only 72v batterys in germany, i personally think you dont really need 72v, more range like this battery would be the better option for me...
Sweet! this might be the battery i get when i decide to upgrade. as its 60v can you still run this battery with the stock controller or would you not beable to get the extra power out of it?
Hi, thanks for watching! If you buy this battery and use the stock controller you wouldn’t get any extra power, you would probably triple the stock range though, if you wanted extra power you could always upgrade the controller too later down the line ! 😎
@@stingyrogerr Ah i see and no problem keep up the vids some usefull info for us Talaria owners!
What are your settings as far as phase amps to get 75 mph at 13kw?
These were maxxed on the ko nano at 560 phase amps 👍🏻 this is only possible on the mx3 motor as it is a higher kv motor than mx4 motor with a peak rpm of 9800 vs 8400 on the mx4 motor 😝
Hi again, just wondering if you got the battery usage chart that you used a couple of times on the video from electron cycles, ive just been for my first trail ride using the 67v 65ah mararton battery on my surron, fully charged it shows 74v and fully discharged is 54v, half empty is 67v, this is from electron, i managed to get almost 40 miles out of it yesterday with 68v showing left working on that the battery should be capable of over 80 mile range, im running a standard controller at the moment but the battery has given the bike more low down torque and more top speed, im very happy with it but a percentage usage would be helpful, cheers Russ.
Hey Russ!
That sounds great! I had no idea you could get a 74v fully charged 67v battery in the UK!
I used the battery % chart I found on google, I searched 60v battery % chart! I just had a look but there arent any for the 67v batteries. Half the voltage use doesn’t mean half the battery left as it is disproportionate! I think 68v would equate to around 48% as youll find after 67v your battery will drain quicker than it did when it had more charge!
67v! What a game changer though!!
So you do get a bit of voltage sag as the charge level drops meaning your bike will not accelerate as quickly, this also means that once you go past 50% the charge level will decrease quicker!
To be safe I would say 65-70 miles is realistic on stock power levels, this will drop to around 45/50 miles if you go up to 10+KW! ( upgraded controllers are slightly more efficient )
I’ve managed 48 miles out of my 60v 63ah at 12kw with approx 25% charge left which I use as a safety buffer!
I’m glad youre enjoying your upgraded battery! Ride on! 🤙🏻
Is there any way to be able to have this shipped to the USA?? Site specifies no international shipping... 😢
I have no idea! I think youd have to contact the guys at electron cycles! I think they’d be able to steer you in the right path and hopefully provide you with some answers !
This video was not sponsored unfortunately and I bought the battery as a customer months before starting my youtube 💔
Maybe it gives you an excuse to visit the UK to get yourself a battery - but the ebike scene here is no where near as big 😂
I live in the UK so it was no problem for me to get the battery, i do know postal and shipping services are scared of transporting batteries for fire purposes.
Sorry about that! 🤙🏻
Have my Sur Ron X for almost a month now. I have the 2023 version with the 40AH battery which is really good. But Im startin to think about upgrading to a 60v 65ah long range battery because of range and I dont like the power drop below like 80% on the original Battery. And a little more top speed would be great too. Great Video!
So a direct swap 60v65ah battery would be great! Its heavier though by a LOT so the extra weight would mean that you are very unlikely to get any top speed increase without upgrading the controller too! Infact it could make it 1mph or so slower! I know companies claim to increase top speed without changing the controller but for me the controller is the only thing which would have increased it!
You will get almost double your stock range though! The 40ah battery is great !
Hope this helps.
@@stingyrogerr thx for answer. Of course I will be using a new controller too. The 60V 65AH battery im looking at has the same dimensions as the original battery and has a weight of 17kg vs like 15kg on original battery.
@lostinspace2899 oh wow thats a crazy battery! My 60v 63ah battery is 18.5kg. My original talaria 38.5ah battery was only 13kg.
Are you sure only 17kg! Thats super light! Maybe not stainless steel casing ? Sounds like a good deal
I need a 72V Battery with 60 Ah for the Talaria. Will you fulfill my dreams?
Hey bro! Electron cycles make a surron 72v 55ah battery with the best long range cells!! I think a talaria one is coming!!
Heres a link : www.electroncycles.co.uk/product/sur-ron-72v-52-5ah-konig-the-king-high-power-long-range-3780wh/
I think thats as close to a 60ah they do!
Just to confirm this is with the stock controller? Debating upgrading the battery on my talaria atm for increased range then later down the line more power.
This bike has the ko nano controller as per my other testing videos! But this battery can be used with stock controllers until you get upgraded controller later on ! 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey also there batteries on there website show that those batteries must be used with an aftermarket controller. So are they just saying you have to have an aftermarket controller to have the power they put out? Or will the battery just not work with the stock talaria MX3 controller?
Any 60v battery for talaria with talaria plug will work on stock controller and give you stock power with much more range 👍🏻
You just need aftermarket controller to gain more power than stock.
@@stingyrogerr okay thanks ! The battery you did on this video is sold out so I was looking at the 67 v 62ah, would this still fit in my bike without a aftermarket lid to fit it?
@JaidenHowes i think that 67v might need a seat riser to be honest. The 60v 63ah meant i had to space the lid latch 5mm
@@stingyrogerr Okay good to know appreciate it !
Cool
What kind of front fender do you guys have on these and can I get one that fits my talaria sting R?
Hey mate the carbon one on the talaria is from procarbonracing.co.uk and is a mountain bike fork fender! You can use any mtb fork fender if you don’t have upside down forks like us 🤙🏻
Hi just winted to ask if you use the stock motor and controler with the battery
Hi Joe! I do use a stock motor but I have an upgraded controller. If you go to my channel I did a full build video a couple of weeks ago!
Thanks for watching 🫡
which rear fender is that on the surron?
A ktm 250 rear fender we chopped and adapted!
@@stingyrogerr thanks, looks great
why hating on ebmx.. i just baught one did i fk up
We have three buddies with EBMX 72v 45ah batteries - not only are they not pushing the KW they claim - but they have swolen completely on all sides so they no longer fit inside the bike. I think the fact they are made from pouch cells should put people off!
If you check out my video from a few weeks back : ua-cam.com/video/-huD7FDuSog/v-deo.htmlsi=oF0YHvlIIDUABfyr
If you go to about half way you will see that we drag raced our bikes vs the EBMX controller and Battery combo set to 15kw.
Our bikes were only set to 13kw and 14kw and 250 less phase amps and completely dusted them. The people who own the bikes were upset and angry with the ebmx setup as it gave them nothing but issues and we captured these issues on camera where the bikes would stop working for hours but due to these individuals being involved in a deal with and selling EBMX products asked me not to put that part into the video. They were cursing and swearing at their controller and batteries then still try selling them onto other customers 🤣 we no longer ride with these guys and their graphics will be removed from our bike in favour of a new company called race shop design graphics which are better and cost less and have better business morals.
Not every battery is the same, stay sensible on your KW choice and your battery might not swell up. Best of luck any upgrade is going to feel damn sweet!!
I put this battery in my stock sting R Mx4 and it is 10mph slower?
Thanks for watching! I have upgraded controller, I never tried it stock.
I know 10+ people who use this battery and we all LOVE it!
It should pull the same amount of power as the controller is set to a certain amps. You may have a problem here.
Ok, thanks, that's good to know! Did you have any issues closing the battery lid? I can get my lid to close but it flares out to the left side a bit.
Its a little bit snug yeah but I added 2 washers under the latch and it closes fine now!
Awesome! Thank you for the tip!
Can u ask me how to upgrade my talaria mx3 to 72volt and what the top speed on a 60v 65 ah
Top speed on my bike is currently 75mph gps with new tune. I dont understand what you mean by ‘ask me’ sorry
@@stingyrogerr mb I mean can u tell me auto correct so I have the mx3 with stock battery so if I spend 2k and get the battery with 60v and 63ah it will go 75mph
@Pawnstarclips12 it will but you will also need upgraded controller! New Controller + new battery at 13kw will get you to 75
@@stingyrogerr sorry for ur time I just watched u a lot and never thought u would answer if I commented but how fast does 60v and 65ah battery get u without all the others and how much did u spend to upgrade to 72volt and what did u get like the brand Because I got a new controller and it stopped working
@Pawnstarclips12 all batteries are different and can only make as much power as the BMS will allow. So you would have to ask your manufacturer of battery, in general terms anything over 12kw will be able to hit 70mph with correct gearing, you should be able to hit 60mph with 9.5kw with correct tuning.
Would be nice is they shipped to the US.
Its a great shame! I think the UK shipping companies hate dealing with batteries!
@@stingyrogerr I think they do ship to US now im about to order one and it lets me? Maybe they recently changed it so they do now ?
@JaidenHowes hopefully man thats a dope battery!
What size tyre on the Talaria mate?
Thanks for watching! Its a Kenda K760 trakmaster in 100/90-19👍🏻
whats the max kw?
I used to use this battery at 15kw but now I have a 28kw 72v also from electron cycles :)
so is this the talaria MX3?
Yes sir. See my latest videos for new battery setup 👍🏻🫡
@@stingyrogerr sweet man, so i have it too but i wanna buiy this battery for it , ive seen the other batterys but this ones cheaper and has a 63ah which is better than the others. Im in the US and it shows it can ship to me, so do you know if they actually ship to the US now?
There is no best
Agreed! Thanks for commenting! The title is just to keep it in theme with my other titles on my videos - It is a great battery though!!
What helmet are you wearing at 1:00 ?
Hi mate, its a Fox Dropframe helmet 👍🏻 my personal favourite. Thanks for watching!!
@@stingyrogerr sweet thanks for the info!
Anytime man!
Could i get this in the US?
I don’t know brother, they may do it at extra cost if you email them directly!
@@stingyrogerr will do thanks mate!
Big question does electron cycles ship to the states
I am not sure! You should contact them and see if they can help!! Their email is
electroncycles@gmail.com
Hope this helps!
You have electro and co there ?
No bro! Not in the UK :(